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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (Keith.Miller@esa.int)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (jeffbudner)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (Keith.Miller@esa.int)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (jeffbudner)
5. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (M Ketteing)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (William Schertz)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (M Ketteing)
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
Jeff
I concur with the others , you are looking at the most recent nose gear
assembly from Lyle, this was the heaviest version and the strongest . but
one thing missing, is the stop pin that prevents the nose wheel pivoting
all the way around , its an easy fix and a worthwhile addition . Marks
suggestion about tilting the main gear forward was performed by quite a
few TR1 owners ( including myself ) so it would be worthwhile doing if, it
has not been done already. ( again its a simple fix )
The flaps definitely were not designed to be asymmetric, so that does requi
re
some investigation , and i would not recommend deploying them until the
issue is fully understood .
From: "jeffbudner" <jeffbudner@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear?
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Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pre-buy inspection for a TR-1, and have a
couple of questions, that hopefully you can help me answer:
1. Posted below are pics of the nose gear assembly, from these pics can you
determine if this is an original model nose gear or a more hardened version?
2. Regarding the flaps, the left flap extends down 1.5" lower than the righ
t.
Is this an adjustment issue or could there be some intentional purpose to i
t?
My apology is I've posted too many pics, I wasn't sure which pics are
relevant to question 1 above.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
Thanks very much for the feedback on the node gear identification, as for the placement
I understand the theory behind moving the nose gear forward, but I'm
not clear as to what's involved in doing so. I'll search the threads in this group
but if anyone knows of a link where moving the gear forward is discussed
in more detail that would be really helpful.
As for the flap issue, we're hoping that it's something that can be corrected at
the bellcrank. Clearly this is at the top of the squawk list, so for now we're
moving forward with the rest of the plane to complete the squawk list, and
then circle back to the flaps issue.
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
Jeff
its probably listed somewhere in the threads , but basically all you
would do is after jacking up the plane is to loosen the main gear bolts
and insert a hard wedge between the fuselage and the top of the sprung
gear , From memory i made mine ( 2 off ) about a 1/4" over the width of t
he
gear and about 5 " x width of the gear to spread the load, which
corresponded to the size of the layups in the fuselage . ( the larger side
of the wedge at the back to angle the gear forward)
I hope you have downloaded the build manual as this will help a lot with
understanding the flap assembly. But can you confirm it is the original
mechanical flap assembly or send a picture ( i e without any electric
motors ) , in theory the original flap assembly is so simple its impossible
for the flaps to go asymmetric . can you also measure the flap angles ? in
the two positions.
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Subject: KIS-List: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear?
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Thanks very much for the feedback on the node gear identification, as for t
he
placement I understand the theory behind moving the nose gear forward, but
I'm not clear as to what's involved in doing so. I'll search the threads in
this group but if anyone knows of a link where moving the gear forward is
discussed in more detail that would be really helpful.
As for the flap issue, we're hoping that it's something that can be correct
ed
at the bellcrank. Clearly this is at the top of the squawk list, so for now
we're moving forward with the rest of the plane to complete the squawk list,
and then circle back to the flaps issue.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498477#498477
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
Keith, thanks for the details, this is really helpful. Here are the two pics taken
regarding the flap extension issue. As you'll see there is nothing scientific
about how the measurement was done but it was intended to get general guage
of the uniformity of the flaps. Essentially I locked the ailerons at a neutral
position and the flaps fully extended. I then measured from the flap edge to
the aileron edge. Hopefully my measurements are flawed to the extent that no
real issue exists with the flaps.
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
Jeff,
I suggest pulling up on the flaps to simulate a wind load while you measure
the deployment. I also suggest measureing the angle. Most smart phone will
do this with an app like "Clinometer".
Mark
On Monday, 21 September 2020, 11:12:47 am GMT-4, jeffbudner <jeffbudne
r@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith, thanks for the details, this is really helpful. Here are the two pic
s taken regarding the flap extension issue. As you'll see there is nothing
scientific about how the measurement was done but it was intended to get ge
neral guage of the uniformity of the flaps. Essentially I locked the ailero
ns at a neutral position and the flaps fully extended. I then measured from
the flap edge to the aileron edge. Hopefully my measurements are flawed to
the extent that no real issue exists with the flaps.
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
The flaps issue is concerning. I built a TR-4, and the flaps used a nylon
block sliding in a "U" channel at the flap root. Adjustment to the flaps
was by drilling the block offcenter, then rotating it to get the desired
setting. This did not allow for fine adjustments if needed, so I designed a
'split flap' by splitting the torque tube and using two arms in the center
of the plane. This allowed VERY SMALL adjustments to be made. Details are
on Bob Reeds website.
1.5 inches when extended is huge -- what is the difference when retracted?
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:36 AM <Keith.Miller@esa.int> wrote:
> Jeff
>
> I concur with the others , you are looking at the most recent nose gear
> assembly from Lyle, this was the heaviest version and the strongest . but
> one thing missing, is the stop pin that prevents the nose wheel
> pivoting all the way around , its an easy fix and a worthwhile addition .
> Marks suggestion about tilting the main gear forward was performed by
> quite a few TR1 owners ( including myself ) so it would be worthwhile
> doing if, it has not been done already. ( again its a simple fix )
>
> The flaps definitely were not designed to be asymmetric, so that does
> require some investigation , and i would not recommend deploying them
> until the issue is fully understood .
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for "jeffbudner" ---20/09/2020
> jeffbudner@gmail.com> Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pr
>
> From: "jeffbudner" <jeffbudner@gmail.com>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: 20/09/2020 04:36
> Subject: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear?
> Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
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>
>
>
> Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pre-buy inspection for a TR-1, and have a
> couple of questions, that hopefully you can help me answer:
>
> 1. Posted below are pics of the nose gear assembly, from these pics can
> you determine if this is an original model nose gear or a more hardened
> version?
>
> 2. Regarding the flaps, the left flap extends down 1.5" lower than the
> right. Is this an adjustment issue or could there be some intentional
> purpose to it?
>
> My apology is I've posted too many pics, I wasn't sure which pics are
> relevant to question 1 above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498455#498455
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? |
The TR1 flaps have a different linkage than the TR4 with each side having
a push rod with adjustable rod ends on both ends so adjustment is fairly ea
sy.
On Monday, 21 September 2020, 02:44:18 pm GMT-4, William Schertz <wsch
ertz343@gmail.com> wrote:
The flaps issue is concerning. I built a TR-4, and the flaps used a nylon
block sliding in a "U" channel at the flap root. Adjustment to the flaps wa
s by drilling the block offcenter, then rotating it to get the desired sett
ing. This did not allow for fine adjustments if needed, so I designed a 'sp
lit flap' by splitting the torque tube and using two arms in the center of
the plane. This allowed VERY SMALL adjustments to be made. Details are on B
ob Reeds website.=C2-
1.5 inches when extended is huge -- what is the difference when retracted?
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:36 AM <Keith.Miller@esa.int> wrote:
Jeff
I concur with the others , you are looking at the most recent nose gear ass
embly from Lyle, this was the heaviest version and the strongest . =C2-bu
t one thing missing, =C2-is the stop pin that prevents the =C2- nose wh
eel =C2-pivoting all the way around , its an easy fix =C2-and a worthwh
ile addition . Marks suggestion about =C2- tilting the main gear forward
was =C2-performed by quite a few =C2-TR1 owners ( including myself )
=C2-so it would be worthwhile doing if, it has not been done already. =C2
-( again its a simple fix =C2-)
The flaps definitely were not designed to be asymmetric, so that does requi
re some investigation , and =C2-i would not recommend deploying them unti
l =C2-the issue is =C2-fully understood . =C2-
budner" <jeffbudner@gmail.com> Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pr
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Subject: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear?
Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pre-buy inspection for a TR-1, and have a cou
ple of questions, that hopefully you can help me answer:
1. Posted below are pics of the nose gear assembly, from these pics can you
determine if this is an original model nose gear or a more hardened versio
n?
2. Regarding the flaps, the left flap extends down 1.5" lower than the righ
t. Is this an adjustment issue or could there be some intentional purpose t
o it?
My apology is I've posted too many pics, I wasn't sure which pics are relev
ant to question 1 above.
Thanks,
Jeff
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