---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/21/20: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (Keith.Miller@esa.int) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (jeffbudner) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (Keith.Miller@esa.int) 4. 08:07 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (jeffbudner) 5. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (M Ketteing) 6. 11:41 AM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (William Schertz) 7. 12:04 PM - Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? (M Ketteing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? From: Keith.Miller@esa.int Jeff I concur with the others , you are looking at the most recent nose gear assembly from Lyle, this was the heaviest version and the strongest . but one thing missing, is the stop pin that prevents the nose wheel pivoting all the way around , its an easy fix and a worthwhile addition . Marks suggestion about tilting the main gear forward was performed by quite a few TR1 owners ( including myself ) so it would be worthwhile doing if, it has not been done already. ( again its a simple fix ) The flaps definitely were not designed to be asymmetric, so that does requi re some investigation , and i would not recommend deploying them until the issue is fully understood . From: "jeffbudner" Subject: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pre-buy inspection for a TR-1, and have a couple of questions, that hopefully you can help me answer: 1. Posted below are pics of the nose gear assembly, from these pics can you determine if this is an original model nose gear or a more hardened version? 2. Regarding the flaps, the left flap extends down 1.5" lower than the righ t. Is this an adjustment issue or could there be some intentional purpose to i t? My apology is I've posted too many pics, I wasn't sure which pics are relevant to question 1 above. Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498455#498455 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1484_706.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_7770_401.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1048_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_9845_2_442.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4495_117.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0184_460.jpg This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may cont ain proprietary information and/or protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or dissemina tion is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies app ropriate organisational measures to protect personal data, in case of data privacy queries, please contact the ESA Data Protection Officer (dpo@esa.int). ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:49 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? From: "jeffbudner" Thanks very much for the feedback on the node gear identification, as for the placement I understand the theory behind moving the nose gear forward, but I'm not clear as to what's involved in doing so. I'll search the threads in this group but if anyone knows of a link where moving the gear forward is discussed in more detail that would be really helpful. As for the flap issue, we're hoping that it's something that can be corrected at the bellcrank. Clearly this is at the top of the squawk list, so for now we're moving forward with the rest of the plane to complete the squawk list, and then circle back to the flaps issue. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498477#498477 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? From: Keith.Miller@esa.int Jeff its probably listed somewhere in the threads , but basically all you would do is after jacking up the plane is to loosen the main gear bolts and insert a hard wedge between the fuselage and the top of the sprung gear , From memory i made mine ( 2 off ) about a 1/4" over the width of t he gear and about 5 " x width of the gear to spread the load, which corresponded to the size of the layups in the fuselage . ( the larger side of the wedge at the back to angle the gear forward) I hope you have downloaded the build manual as this will help a lot with understanding the flap assembly. But can you confirm it is the original mechanical flap assembly or send a picture ( i e without any electric motors ) , in theory the original flap assembly is so simple its impossible for the flaps to go asymmetric . can you also measure the flap angles ? in the two positions. From: "jeffbudner" Subject: KIS-List: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com Thanks very much for the feedback on the node gear identification, as for t he placement I understand the theory behind moving the nose gear forward, but I'm not clear as to what's involved in doing so. I'll search the threads in this group but if anyone knows of a link where moving the gear forward is discussed in more detail that would be really helpful. As for the flap issue, we're hoping that it's something that can be correct ed at the bellcrank. Clearly this is at the top of the squawk list, so for now we're moving forward with the rest of the plane to complete the squawk list, and then circle back to the flaps issue. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498477#498477 This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may cont ain proprietary information and/or protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or dissemina tion is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies app ropriate organisational measures to protect personal data, in case of data privacy queries, please contact the ESA Data Protection Officer (dpo@esa.int). ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:44 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? From: "jeffbudner" Keith, thanks for the details, this is really helpful. Here are the two pics taken regarding the flap extension issue. As you'll see there is nothing scientific about how the measurement was done but it was intended to get general guage of the uniformity of the flaps. Essentially I locked the ailerons at a neutral position and the flaps fully extended. I then measured from the flap edge to the aileron edge. Hopefully my measurements are flawed to the extent that no real issue exists with the flaps. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498482#498482 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_flap_859.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_flap_630.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:11 AM PST US From: M Ketteing Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? Jeff, I suggest pulling up on the flaps to simulate a wind load while you measure the deployment. I also suggest measureing the angle. Most smart phone will do this with an app like "Clinometer". Mark On Monday, 21 September 2020, 11:12:47 am GMT-4, jeffbudner wrote: Keith, thanks for the details, this is really helpful. Here are the two pic s taken regarding the flap extension issue. As you'll see there is nothing scientific about how the measurement was done but it was intended to get ge neral guage of the uniformity of the flaps. Essentially I locked the ailero ns at a neutral position and the flaps fully extended. I then measured from the flap edge to the aileron edge. Hopefully my measurements are flawed to the extent that no real issue exists with the flaps. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498482#498482 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_wing_flap_859.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_wing_flap_630.jpg S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:34 AM PST US From: William Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? The flaps issue is concerning. I built a TR-4, and the flaps used a nylon block sliding in a "U" channel at the flap root. Adjustment to the flaps was by drilling the block offcenter, then rotating it to get the desired setting. This did not allow for fine adjustments if needed, so I designed a 'split flap' by splitting the torque tube and using two arms in the center of the plane. This allowed VERY SMALL adjustments to be made. Details are on Bob Reeds website. 1.5 inches when extended is huge -- what is the difference when retracted? On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:36 AM wrote: > Jeff > > I concur with the others , you are looking at the most recent nose gear > assembly from Lyle, this was the heaviest version and the strongest . but > one thing missing, is the stop pin that prevents the nose wheel > pivoting all the way around , its an easy fix and a worthwhile addition . > Marks suggestion about tilting the main gear forward was performed by > quite a few TR1 owners ( including myself ) so it would be worthwhile > doing if, it has not been done already. ( again its a simple fix ) > > The flaps definitely were not designed to be asymmetric, so that does > require some investigation , and i would not recommend deploying them > until the issue is fully understood . > > [image: Inactive hide details for "jeffbudner" ---20/09/2020 > jeffbudner@gmail.com> Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pr > > From: "jeffbudner" > To: kis-list@matronics.com > Date: 20/09/2020 04:36 > Subject: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? > Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com > ------------------------------ > > > > Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pre-buy inspection for a TR-1, and have a > couple of questions, that hopefully you can help me answer: > > 1. Posted below are pics of the nose gear assembly, from these pics can > you determine if this is an original model nose gear or a more hardened > version? > > 2. Regarding the flaps, the left flap extends down 1.5" lower than the > right. Is this an adjustment issue or could there be some intentional > purpose to it? > > My apology is I've posted too many pics, I wasn't sure which pics are > relevant to question 1 above. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498455#498455 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1484_706.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_7770_401.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1048_188.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_9845_2_442.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4495_117.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0184_460.jpg > > > ========== > matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > ========== > MS - > ms.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > .matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > e - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may contain proprietary information and/or > protected content. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, retention or dissemination is prohibited. If you have received > this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. ESA applies appropriate organisational measures to protect > personal data, in case of data privacy queries, please contact the ESA Data Protection Officer (dpo@esa.int). > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:55 PM PST US From: M Ketteing Subject: Re: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? The TR1 flaps have a different linkage than the TR4 with each side having a push rod with adjustable rod ends on both ends so adjustment is fairly ea sy. On Monday, 21 September 2020, 02:44:18 pm GMT-4, William Schertz wrote: The flaps issue is concerning. I built a TR-4, and the flaps used a nylon block sliding in a "U" channel at the flap root. Adjustment to the flaps wa s by drilling the block offcenter, then rotating it to get the desired sett ing. This did not allow for fine adjustments if needed, so I designed a 'sp lit flap' by splitting the torque tube and using two arms in the center of the plane. This allowed VERY SMALL adjustments to be made. Details are on B ob Reeds website.=C2- 1.5 inches when extended is huge -- what is the difference when retracted? On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:36 AM wrote: Jeff I concur with the others , you are looking at the most recent nose gear ass embly from Lyle, this was the heaviest version and the strongest . =C2-bu t one thing missing, =C2-is the stop pin that prevents the =C2- nose wh eel =C2-pivoting all the way around , its an easy fix =C2-and a worthwh ile addition . Marks suggestion about =C2- tilting the main gear forward was =C2-performed by quite a few =C2-TR1 owners ( including myself ) =C2-so it would be worthwhile doing if, it has not been done already. =C2 -( again its a simple fix =C2-) The flaps definitely were not designed to be asymmetric, so that does requi re some investigation , and =C2-i would not recommend deploying them unti l =C2-the issue is =C2-fully understood . =C2- budner" Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pr From: "jeffbudner" Subject: KIS-List: Can you identify this TR-1 nose gear? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com Hi all, I'm in the midst of a pre-buy inspection for a TR-1, and have a cou ple of questions, that hopefully you can help me answer: 1. Posted below are pics of the nose gear assembly, from these pics can you determine if this is an original model nose gear or a more hardened versio n? 2. Regarding the flaps, the left flap extends down 1.5" lower than the righ t. Is this an adjustment issue or could there be some intentional purpose t o it? My apology is I've posted too many pics, I wasn't sure which pics are relev ant to question 1 above. Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=498455#498455 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1484_706.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_7770_401.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1048_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_9845_2_442.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4495_117.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0184_460.jpg matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Li st MS - ms.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - .matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. 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