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1. 10:57 AM - Stalling the TR-1 (jeffbudner)
2. 11:01 AM - Re: Stalling the TR-1 (pastormac@comcast.net)
3. 11:17 AM - Re: Stalling the TR-1 (jeffbudner)
4. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Stalling the TR-1 (pastormac@comcast.net)
5. 01:27 PM - Re: Stalling the TR-1 (Hans Christian Erstad)
6. 03:34 PM - Re: Stalling the TR-1 (Galin Hernandez)
7. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Stalling the TR-1 (Galin Hernandez)
8. 04:18 PM - Re: Stalling the TR-1 (jeffbudner)
9. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Stalling the TR-1 (Graham Brighton)
10. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Stalling the TR-1 (Galin Hernandez)
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Subject: | Stalling the TR-1 |
Hi all, I am on the 6th month of my TR-1 ownership, and I'm really enjoying the
aircraft. When I first got the plane I was advised to take extra care to not
stall the aircraft, but even intentionally at altitude due to the unruly stall
characteristics that they experience themselves. This is the first aircraft I
have flown in which I have no sense of what to expect in the event of a stall.
It would be helpful to hear from others that have experienced stalling their KIS,
especially accelerated and power-off stalls.
Thanks for the feedback.
Jeff
KIS TR-1 #099
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Hi Jeff,
The two I owned were pretty benign. I however placed vortex generators under the
surface of the horizontal elevator. They helped a lot and on landing as well.
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
> On Mar 19, 2021, at 1:57 PM, jeffbudner <jeffbudner@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi all, I am on the 6th month of my TR-1 ownership, and I'm really enjoying the
aircraft. When I first got the plane I was advised to take extra care to not
stall the aircraft, but even intentionally at altitude due to the unruly stall
characteristics that they experience themselves. This is the first aircraft
I have flown in which I have no sense of what to expect in the event of a stall.
>
> It would be helpful to hear from others that have experienced stalling their
KIS, especially accelerated and power-off stalls.
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> Thanks for the feedback.
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> Jeff
> KIS TR-1 #099
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Thanks Stephen, I have a friend that is having success, in his TR-1, with VG's
on the wings, I hadn't heard of anyone adding them to the elevator. Was you motivation
to improve elevator authority in order to better control nose wheel touchdown
or were you motivated by some other characteristic?
Jeff
KIS TR-1 #099
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Hi Jeff,
Yes, better elevator authority! It made a huge difference!! I placed them underneath
the elevator.
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
> On Mar 19, 2021, at 2:17 PM, jeffbudner <jeffbudner@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Stephen, I have a friend that is having success, in his TR-1, with VG's
on the wings, I hadn't heard of anyone adding them to the elevator. Was you
motivation to improve elevator authority in order to better control nose wheel
touchdown or were you motivated by some other characteristic?
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> Jeff
> KIS TR-1 #099
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Hi, Jeff
Nice to hear from new people experiencing KIS.
If you fly an aircraft slow enough it is normal to stall.
The TR-1 have a quite high nose attitude when speed is slow, and you will
probably not get there unintentionally.
But you should do a lot of stalls at good altitude. Try with a
passenger/aft CG, and you will get a quite different experience. The stall
depend more on CG position than power or accelerated. Know where you CG are
compared to the CG limits stated.
But if surely flicks. I have also experienced a flick in one direction
followed by a flick in the other direction.
But a stall/flick always end up with the nose pointing downwards, speed
increasing and control re-gained. But you will always loose altitude.
Practice this a lot, and then you will get an understanding that you have
to monitor airspeed in the pattern and approach.
Speed control on approach is also important, not only to not stall, but
also to be able to get down at all. If you are high on the approach you
cannot move the stick forward. If you let the speed increase, you
overshoot. Control the approach angle by power only. Airspeed constant.
That is probably how you learned to fly, and this aircraft have to be flown
that way.
I have also flown other aircraft with similar stall characteristics, but
that has not been a Cessna.
Regards, Hans
KIS TR-1 #032
fre. 19. mar. 2021 kl. 18:58 skrev jeffbudner <jeffbudner@gmail.com>:
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> Hi all, I am on the 6th month of my TR-1 ownership, and I'm really
> enjoying the aircraft. When I first got the plane I was advised to take
> extra care to not stall the aircraft, but even intentionally at altitude
> due to the unruly stall characteristics that they experience themselves.
> This is the first aircraft I have flown in which I have no sense of what to
> expect in the event of a stall.
>
> It would be helpful to hear from others that have experienced stalling
> their KIS, especially accelewith rated and power-off stalls.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Jeff
> KIS TR-1 #099
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501017#501017
>
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
I can't speak about the TR-1 but the TR-4 has excellent stall
characteristics during both power on and power off. I would recommend you
do some in flight stall testing as if the airplane was undergoing phase 1
testing.
Get to an appropriate altitude and, with power off, come close to a stall
(imminent) then recover. Next time go a bit deeper into the imminent stall
and recover. Do this until you are either comfortable doing a full stall or
don't think it is appropriate to go any further. Only you can decide what
is appropriate.
Hopefully you will find your airplane handles just like the other TR-1's
out there flying.
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM Hans Christian Erstad <hans.erstad@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi, Jeff
>
> Nice to hear from new people experiencing KIS.
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> If you fly an aircraft slow enough it is normal to stall.
>
> The TR-1 have a quite high nose attitude when speed is slow, and you will
> probably not get there unintentionally.
>
> But you should do a lot of stalls at good altitude. Try with a
> passenger/aft CG, and you will get a quite different experience. The stall
> depend more on CG position than power or accelerated. Know where you CG are
> compared to the CG limits stated.
>
> But if surely flicks. I have also experienced a flick in one direction
> followed by a flick in the other direction.
>
> But a stall/flick always end up with the nose pointing downwards, speed
> increasing and control re-gained. But you will always loose altitude.
>
> Practice this a lot, and then you will get an understanding that you have
> to monitor airspeed in the pattern and approach.
>
> Speed control on approach is also important, not only to not stall, but
> also to be able to get down at all. If you are high on the approach you
> cannot move the stick forward. If you let the speed increase, you
> overshoot. Control the approach angle by power only. Airspeed constant.
> That is probably how you learned to fly, and this aircraft have to be flown
> that way.
>
> I have also flown other aircraft with similar stall characteristics, but
> that has not been a Cessna.
>
> Regards, Hans
> KIS TR-1 #032
>
> fre. 19. mar. 2021 kl. 18:58 skrev jeffbudner <jeffbudner@gmail.com>:
>
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>> Hi all, I am on the 6th month of my TR-1 ownership, and I'm really
>> enjoying the aircraft. When I first got the plane I was advised to take
>> extra care to not stall the aircraft, but even intentionally at altitude
>> due to the unruly stall characteristics that they experience themselves.
>> This is the first aircraft I have flown in which I have no sense of what to
>> expect in the event of a stall.
>>
>> It would be helpful to hear from others that have experienced stalling
>> their KIS, especially accelewith rated and power-off stalls.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> Jeff
>> KIS TR-1 #099
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>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501017#501017
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
FWIW I placed VG's under the elevator and they made a nice difference.
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 3:16 PM <pastormac@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Hi Jeff,
> Yes, better elevator authority! It made a huge difference!! I placed
> them underneath the elevator.
>
> To our success, Stephen McIntosh
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> > On Mar 19, 2021, at 2:17 PM, jeffbudner <jeffbudner@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Thanks Stephen, I have a friend that is having success, in his TR-1,
> with VG's on the wings, I hadn't heard of anyone adding them to the
> elevator. Was you motivation to improve elevator authority in order to
> better control nose wheel touchdown or were you motivated by some other
> characteristic?
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> > Jeff
> > KIS TR-1 #099
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501019#501019
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Thank you all for your responses. It's time for me to test the waters, find some
altitude and slowly work my way into a stall. Your feedback is encouraging and
much appreciated. I'm definitely considering VG's under the elevator.
Jeff
KIS TR-1 #099
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501024#501024
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Er .. Is that VG's .. under the 'Elevator' or 'Horizontal Stabilizer '
Graham
TR1 # 080
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From: "jeffbudner" <jeffbudner@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:18 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Stalling the TR-1
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> Thank you all for your responses. It's time for me to test the waters,
> find some altitude and slowly work my way into a stall. Your feedback is
> encouraging and much appreciated. I'm definitely considering VG's under
> the elevator.
>
>
> Jeff
> KIS TR-1 #099
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501024#501024
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Subject: | Re: Stalling the TR-1 |
Yea, that's what I meant.
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
wrote:
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> Er .. Is that VG's .. under the 'Elevator' or 'Horizontal Stabilizer '
> Graham
> TR1 # 080
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> From: "jeffbudner" <jeffbudner@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:18 AM
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Stalling the TR-1
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> > Thank you all for your responses. It's time for me to test the waters,
> > find some altitude and slowly work my way into a stall. Your feedback is
> > encouraging and much appreciated. I'm definitely considering VG's under
> > the elevator.
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> > Jeff
> > KIS TR-1 #099
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> > Read this topic online here:
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