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Ed,
Sounds entirely different from what I have done and I would really like to s
ee the photos.
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Bob, I will be at my hangar next Monday. I will take a picture of my setup
. Simply put, mine is a tow bar that connects to the toe bar points on the n
osewheel that has a an onboard winch, with a Bluetooth remote, that attaches
to an anchor point in the hangar floor.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
> From: Robert Reed
> Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 1:27 PM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old
>
> Great Minds....All come up with virtually the same solution.
>
> My first thought and effort was put into modifying a Jazzy Pride powered s
cooter that I inherited from my mother-in-law. Put a connection for the tow
bar on the front of it and gave it a try. Pulled the plane out without a p
roblem but pushing it back in was impossible. The way the steering works on
the scooter was impossible to control when pushing. Tried multiple configu
rations and NO JOY. So, next option was the Harbor Freight Winch I had boug
ht two years ago for helping me load heavy loads into my pickup by myself. I
have a sturdy and heavy metal stand that I am mounting the winch on with th
e battery and controls on a shelf under the top. Put anchor bolts into the h
angar floor and will be bolting it to the stand. Winch looks like it will b
e at just right height for straight pull and plenty of cable to work with. H
aven't finished the hookup yet but hope to do so this week. My tow connecti
on will be to the rear tie down supplemented by pushing with the tow bar fro
m the front.
>
> Thanks for your input, it confirms the workability of the winch system for
me.
>
> Great to hear from you Bill and hated to hear that you sold your plane but
understand.
>
> Ed Hanson, I would like to see a photo of your setup, it sounds entirely d
ifferent from what I am doing and I would like to see how you worked it. No
t sure if I understood that you are pulling back using the nose wheel or not
. If so, how do you steer the plane when it is backing up?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Reed
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021, 10:28:11 AM CST, William Schertz <wschertz343
@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bob
> I also used a cheap Harbor freight winch to pull my plane back into the ha
nger. Looped a soft nylon rope around the horizontal stab, then could use th
e remote control on the winch while guiding from the front with a towbar.
> Bill
> p.s. My plane is currently owned by a partnership in FL (second set of own
ers) and is being retrofitted for a Lycoming. My firewall forward with the M
azda is currently owned by a Cozy builder in TN who will be making it 'fire
wall aft' installation.
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:03 PM Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
> Hi Bob, I had the same problem with my hangar approach so I made a KIS tug
. I installed a single 3/8=9D anchor in the hangar floor at about 2/3
rds of the hangar depth and in line with the fuselage centerline. I bent a l
oop out of some flat iron that bolts to the anchor. This is for a winch cabl
e hook. I bought a cheap 12 volt remote controlled winch from Harbor freight
. I mounted the winch and a battery to an angle iron frame I fabricated that
allows the angles to spread and two studs to engage in the tow bar holes on
the nose wheel when aligned from the rear. I put two old lawn mower wheels o
n the rear of the frame. I put some foam pipe insulation over the angle iron
s where they are near the wheel pant to avoid any contact. I have a small ti
e angle on the front of the setup that you swing close and drop in a =C2=BC
=99 locking bolt after you engage the studs in nose wheel. I=99ve f
ound putting a pipe wrench on the tie angle helps to steer the nose wheel in
to the hangar. Makes life a lot easier for us especially when we are full of
fuel. I keep an old cable come-a-long in the hangar in case the battery get
s low.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
>
>
> From: Robert Reed
> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:50 PM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old
>
>
>
> I hate to admit this but I had been working on my project for about a year
when Dave Tate and his wife came to visit us and look over my project. Dave
had just ordered his kit. Dave finished his project, flew it several years b
efore selling it to Galin. Galin flew it all over the country while I was st
ill working on my plane. My congratulations to both Dave and Galin for provi
ng what a great airplane the Cruiser is.
>
>
>
> I finally finished my plane a couple of years ago now. It=99s taken
me the last two years to put the 40 hours of test flights. Getting the test
flight time suffered from the same issues as the buildlife just ke
pt getting in the way and I had a house to build. Still have some work to do
on the house but nothing that can=99t wait for some well earned flyin
g. The only problem now is that I can=99t push the plane back into th
e hangar by myself. There=99s a definite slope away from hangar and I
am getting too old to have to put that much effort into pushing the plane. B
ruised my ribs the last time I did it so I am now working on some kind of tu
g.
>
>
>
> Bob Reed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > =EF=BB
>
> > As of 12/03/2021, my KIS4 airplane (SN 4052) has been flying for 20 year
s. Originally built by Dave Tate as N92DT it has averaged 75 flight hours ev
ery year since then. I hope to see it flying for at least another 20 years.
>
> >
>
> > Attached is a photo taken on 12/3/2021 during the 1st flight and a phot
o taken on 4/16/2021 during Sun-N-Fun.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old |
I am setting it up to use the tie down for the tail to pull and guide while I
push and steer the nose with the tow bar. Got the stand firmly anchored to t
he floor, just need battery and testing.
Going to add a guide and stop to keep from pulling too far.
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 10, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBEd,
>
> Sounds entirely different from what I have done and I would really like to
see the photos.
>
>
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BB
>> Bob, I will be at my hangar next Monday. I will take a picture of my setu
p. Simply put, mine is a tow bar that connects to the toe bar points on the n
osewheel that has a an onboard winch, with a Bluetooth remote, that attaches
to an anchor point in the hangar floor.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>
>> From: Robert Reed
>> Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 1:27 PM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old
>>
>> Great Minds....All come up with virtually the same solution.
>>
>> My first thought and effort was put into modifying a Jazzy Pride powered s
cooter that I inherited from my mother-in-law. Put a connection for the tow
bar on the front of it and gave it a try. Pulled the plane out without a p
roblem but pushing it back in was impossible. The way the steering works on
the scooter was impossible to control when pushing. Tried multiple configu
rations and NO JOY. So, next option was the Harbor Freight Winch I had boug
ht two years ago for helping me load heavy loads into my pickup by myself. I
have a sturdy and heavy metal stand that I am mounting the winch on with th
e battery and controls on a shelf under the top. Put anchor bolts into the h
angar floor and will be bolting it to the stand. Winch looks like it will b
e at just right height for straight pull and plenty of cable to work with. H
aven't finished the hookup yet but hope to do so this week. My tow connecti
on will be to the rear tie down supplemented by pushing with the tow bar fro
m the front.
>>
>> Thanks for your input, it confirms the workability of the winch system fo
r me.
>>
>> Great to hear from you Bill and hated to hear that you sold your plane bu
t understand.
>>
>> Ed Hanson, I would like to see a photo of your setup, it sounds entirely d
ifferent from what I am doing and I would like to see how you worked it. No
t sure if I understood that you are pulling back using the nose wheel or not
. If so, how do you steer the plane when it is backing up?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021, 10:28:11 AM CST, William Schertz <wschertz34
3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bob
>> I also used a cheap Harbor freight winch to pull my plane back into the h
anger. Looped a soft nylon rope around the horizontal stab, then could use t
he remote control on the winch while guiding from the front with a towbar.
>> Bill
>> p.s. My plane is currently owned by a partnership in FL (second set of ow
ners) and is being retrofitted for a Lycoming. My firewall forward with the M
azda is currently owned by a Cozy builder in TN who will be making it 'fire
wall aft' installation.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:03 PM Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
>> Hi Bob, I had the same problem with my hangar approach so I made a KIS tu
g. I installed a single 3/8=9D anchor in the hangar floor at about 2/
3rds of the hangar depth and in line with the fuselage centerline. I bent a l
oop out of some flat iron that bolts to the anchor. This is for a winch cabl
e hook. I bought a cheap 12 volt remote controlled winch from Harbor freight
. I mounted the winch and a battery to an angle iron frame I fabricated that
allows the angles to spread and two studs to engage in the tow bar holes on
the nose wheel when aligned from the rear. I put two old lawn mower wheels o
n the rear of the frame. I put some foam pipe insulation over the angle iron
s where they are near the wheel pant to avoid any contact. I have a small ti
e angle on the front of the setup that you swing close and drop in a =C2=BC
=99 locking bolt after you engage the studs in nose wheel. I=99ve f
ound putting a pipe wrench on the tie angle helps to steer the nose wheel in
to the hangar. Makes life a lot easier for us especially when we are full of
fuel. I keep an old cable come-a-long in the hangar in case the battery get
s low.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Robert Reed
>> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:50 PM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old
>>
>>
>>
>> I hate to admit this but I had been working on my project for about a yea
r when Dave Tate and his wife came to visit us and look over my project. Dav
e had just ordered his kit. Dave finished his project, flew it several years
before selling it to Galin. Galin flew it all over the country while I was s
till working on my plane. My congratulations to both Dave and Galin for prov
ing what a great airplane the Cruiser is.
>>
>>
>>
>> I finally finished my plane a couple of years ago now. It=99s take
n me the last two years to put the 40 hours of test flights. Getting the tes
t flight time suffered from the same issues as the buildlife just k
ept getting in the way and I had a house to build. Still have some work to d
o on the house but nothing that can=99t wait for some well earned flyi
ng. The only problem now is that I can=99t push the plane back into t
he hangar by myself. There=99s a definite slope away from hangar and I
am getting too old to have to put that much effort into pushing the plane. B
ruised my ribs the last time I did it so I am now working on some kind of tu
g.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > =EF=BB
>>
>> > As of 12/03/2021, my KIS4 airplane (SN 4052) has been flying for 20 yea
rs. Originally built by Dave Tate as N92DT it has averaged 75 flight hours e
very year since then. I hope to see it flying for at least another 20 years.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Attached is a photo taken on 12/3/2021 during the 1st flight and a pho
to taken on 4/16/2021 during Sun-N-Fun.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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