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| Subject: | Re: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old |
Yes, I was specific about not using the rear tail attachment to pull the
plane in. The reason is that applies a rotary torque to the hold-down,
which can peel the fiberglass on the inside of the fuselage. My prefered
method was to put a rope over one side of the HZ stab, go under the
fuselage, and up over the other side of the HZ stab. The rope was then
attached to the cable, and the forces were distributed over a large area of
very strong construction.
Bill Schertz
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 2:51 PM Glenn <dadmeyers1951@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill S, our builder specifically told us not to pull from the rear tie.
> Down ok but not back. I guess it could be dependant on how it was install
ed
> during build.
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:25 PM Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting, but I have never been a fan of pulling the airplane by the
>> tail tie down. Not sure it can handle the forces on it from an angle
>> instead of straight down as it was designed.
>>
>> Keep us updated on how it works and well it stands up to being pulled on
>> this way.
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am setting it up to use the tie down for the tail to pull and guide
>>> while I push and steer the nose with the tow bar. Got the stand firmly
>>> anchored to the floor, just need battery and testing.
>>>
>>> Going to add a guide and stop to keep from pulling too far.
>>>
>>> Bob Reed
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BBEd,
>>>
>>> Sounds entirely different from what I have done and I would really like
>>> to see the photos.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Reed
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BB
>>>
>>> Bob, I will be at my hangar next Monday. I will take a picture of my
>>> setup. Simply put, mine is a tow bar that connects to the toe bar point
s on
>>> the nosewheel that has a an onboard winch, with a Bluetooth remote, tha
t
>>> attaches to an anchor point in the hangar floor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, December 6, 2021 1:27 PM
>>> *To: *kis-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: KIS-List: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great Minds....All come up with virtually the same solution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My first thought and effort was put into modifying a Jazzy Pride powere
d
>>> scooter that I inherited from my mother-in-law. Put a connection for t
he
>>> tow bar on the front of it and gave it a try. Pulled the plane out wit
hout
>>> a problem but pushing it back in was impossible. The way the steering
>>> works on the scooter was impossible to control when pushing. Tried
>>> multiple configurations and NO JOY. So, next option was the Harbor Fre
ight
>>> Winch I had bought two years ago for helping me load heavy loads into m
y
>>> pickup by myself. I have a sturdy and heavy metal stand that I am moun
ting
>>> the winch on with the battery and controls on a shelf under the top. P
ut
>>> anchor bolts into the hangar floor and will be bolting it to the stand.
>>> Winch looks like it will be at just right height for straight pull and
>>> plenty of cable to work with. Haven't finished the hookup yet but hope
to
>>> do so this week. My tow connection will be to the rear tie down
>>> supplemented by pushing with the tow bar from the front.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input, it confirms the workability of the winch system
>>> for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great to hear from you Bill and hated to hear that you sold your plane
>>> but understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Hanson, I would like to see a photo of your setup, it sounds entirel
y
>>> different from what I am doing and I would like to see how you worked i
t.
>>> Not sure if I understood that you are pulling back using the nose wheel
or
>>> not. If so, how do you steer the plane when it is backing up?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Reed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021, 10:28:11 AM CST, William Schertz <
>>> wschertz343@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> I also used a cheap Harbor freight winch to pull my plane back into the
>>> hanger. Looped a soft nylon rope around the horizontal stab, then could
use
>>> the remote control on the winch while guiding from the front with a tow
bar.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> p.s. My plane is currently owned by a partnership in FL (second set of
>>> owners) and is being retrofitted for a Lycoming. My firewall forward wi
th
>>> the Mazda is currently owned by a Cozy builder in TN who will be making
it
>>> 'firewall aft' installation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:03 PM Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bob, I had the same problem with my hangar approach so I made a KIS
>>> tug. I installed a single 3/8=9D anchor in the hangar floor at a
bout 2/3rds
>>> of the hangar depth and in line with the fuselage centerline. I bent a
loop
>>> out of some flat iron that bolts to the anchor. This is for a winch cab
le
>>> hook. I bought a cheap 12 volt remote controlled winch from Harbor frei
ght.
>>> I mounted the winch and a battery to an angle iron frame I fabricated t
hat
>>> allows the angles to spread and two studs to engage in the tow bar hole
s on
>>> the nose wheel when aligned from the rear. I put two old lawn mower whe
els
>>> on the rear of the frame. I put some foam pipe insulation over the angl
e
>>> irons where they are near the wheel pant to avoid any contact. I have a
>>> small tie angle on the front of the setup that you swing close and drop
in
>>> a =C2=BC=99 locking bolt after you engage the studs in nose wheel
. I=99ve found
>>> putting a pipe wrench on the tie angle helps to steer the nose wheel in
to
>>> the hangar. Makes life a lot easier for us especially when we are full
of
>>> fuel. I keep an old cable come-a-long in the hangar in case the battery
>>> gets low.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:50 PM
>>> *To: *kis-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: KIS-List: KIS4 SN 4052 is 20yrs old
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hate to admit this but I had been working on my project for about a
>>> year when Dave Tate and his wife came to visit us and look over my proj
ect.
>>> Dave had just ordered his kit. Dave finished his project, flew it sever
al
>>> years before selling it to Galin. Galin flew it all over the country wh
ile
>>> I was still working on my plane. My congratulations to both Dave and Ga
lin
>>> for proving what a great airplane the Cruiser is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I finally finished my plane a couple of years ago now. It=99s ta
ken me
>>> the last two years to put the 40 hours of test flights. Getting the tes
t
>>> flight time suffered from the same issues as the buildlife jus
t kept
>>> getting in the way and I had a house to build. Still have some work to
do
>>> on the house but nothing that can=99t wait for some well earned f
lying. The
>>> only problem now is that I can=99t push the plane back into the h
angar by
>>> myself. There=99s a definite slope away from hangar and I am get
ting too old
>>> to have to put that much effort into pushing the plane. Bruised my ribs
the
>>> last time I did it so I am now working on some kind of tug.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Reed
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > =EF=BB
>>>
>>> > As of 12/03/2021, my KIS4 airplane (SN 4052) has been flying for 20
>>> years. Originally built by Dave Tate as N92DT it has averaged 75 flight
>>> hours every year since then. I hope to see it flying for at least anoth
er
>>> 20 years.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Attached is a photo taken on 12/3/2021 during the 1st flight and a
>>> photo taken on 4/16/2021 during Sun-N-Fun.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Ed Hanson's winch tug |
Stopped by the hangar tonight and took some pictures of my winch tug. I bac
k the aircraft close to the proper position with my tow bar then winch it u
p the incline and 2=9D hangar lip into the hangar. I use the pipe wre
nch to add a little steering pressure if needed. The handheld winch remote
allows good control. Sometimes we just can=99t push it in ourselves a
nd need a little tug help. I have the wheel pant off for some work but the
tug is made to clear it.
Sent from Mail for Windows
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