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1. 04:02 AM - Cowl (Bob Unternaehrer)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Firewall Insulation (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 05:29 AM - Re: Firewall Insulation (John Banes)
4. 07:30 AM - 912 Installation Model 3 (Dcecil3@aol.com)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Firewall Insulation (johnca58)
6. 08:09 AM - Replacing engine mount isolator bushings (Roger Standley)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: 912 Installation Model 3 (JMCBEAN)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Replacing engine mount isolator bushings (JMCBEAN)
9. 10:35 AM - OT: List Reminders (Michel Verheughe)
10. 11:32 AM - Re: trim indicator (kurt schrader)
11. 12:24 PM - Re: trim indicator (John Anderson)
12. 12:30 PM - Re: My first "test" flight (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:34 PM - OT: Junk mail and the list (Michel Verheughe)
14. 12:44 PM - Interesting tread (Michel Verheughe)
15. 01:58 PM - Rotax 912 (Dcecil3@aol.com)
16. 03:54 PM - Re: Rotax 912 (jimshumaker)
17. 04:14 PM - Re: Rotax 912 (Dcecil3@aol.com)
18. 04:20 PM - Re: Rotax 912 (Clifford Begnaud)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Do we have any an the list with experience in designing cowlings. I have some
experience with fiberglass layup but need to consult by phone concerning thickness,
area of openings in the High Pressure VS the low pressure, and type of
foams that work best for building the phone. If you would email me a shilocom@c-magic.com
with a phone number I would call you back.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/20/03 10:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
johnbanes@adelphia.net writes:
>
> Is firewall insulation needed on an S-6 with 912S? If so, has anyone used
> the firewall insulation Firewall 2000 Ceramic Blanket or Fiberfrax available
> through Aircraft Spruce?
>
> John Banes
> Series 6 912S
>
>
John,
I'm basically a cheap sucker....I used Fiberfrax (1/8") on both sides of
the firewall. Problem is the stuff comes apart like cotton and must be
covered with something. I used silver ironing board covers from Walmart. It takes
about two I believe and must be glued to the Fiberfrax. I used spray
adhesive. Look pretty good and is cheap and fire resistant. The Fiberfrax is
good
for 1500 degrees if I remember correctly. No matter what you use, you better
get down quick in case of an out of control engine fire.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Firewall Insulation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Thanks Don!
The ironing board cover sounds like a great idea.
John Banes
S-6 912S
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Firewall Insulation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/20/03 10:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
johnbanes@adelphia.net writes:
>
> Is firewall insulation needed on an S-6 with 912S? If so, has anyone used
> the firewall insulation Firewall 2000 Ceramic Blanket or Fiberfrax
available
> through Aircraft Spruce?
>
> John Banes
> Series 6 912S
>
>
John,
I'm basically a cheap sucker....I used Fiberfrax (1/8") on both sides of
the firewall. Problem is the stuff comes apart like cotton and must be
covered with something. I used silver ironing board covers from Walmart.
It takes
about two I believe and must be glued to the Fiberfrax. I used spray
adhesive. Look pretty good and is cheap and fire resistant. The Fiberfrax
is good
for 1500 degrees if I remember correctly. No matter what you use, you
better
get down quick in case of an out of control engine fire.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | 912 Installation Model 3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Has anyone got a copy of the 912 Installation Manual for the model 3 they
could send me ? Bought a 912 and would like to get see what I need to get it in
the plane
Thanks
David Cecil
KF3#950
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "johnca58" <johnca58@pacbell.net>
John,
I'm basically a cheap sucker....I used Fiberfrax (1/8") on both sides
of
the firewall. Problem is the stuff comes apart like cotton and must be
covered with something. I used silver ironing board covers from Walmart.
It takes
about two I believe and must be glued to the Fiberfrax. I used spray
adhesive. Look pretty good and is cheap and fire resistant. The
Fiberfrax
is good
for 1500 degrees if I remember correctly. No matter what you use, you
better
get down quick in case of an out of control engine fire.
Don Smythe
I work for Cummins and we do a lot of repower on city and school bus, which
require use of insulation for heat and fire protection , if you go to
www.insultech.com . they make everything including covering for the
turbine housing on turbo's
John
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| Subject: | Replacing engine mount isolator bushings |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:14:20 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Has anyone come up with a set of instructions for changing the engine mount isolator
bushings on the 912? I have a Model IV / 912 UL with about 225 hours. I
ordered the P/N: 64804.000, 912 & 912S engine isolator kit from SS but it didn't
include any installation instructions. Is it going to be a job I can do with
the engine on the airplane or do I need to pull the engine?
Roger Standley
N499KF
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| Subject: | 912 Installation Model 3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
David,
There is not an 912 installation manual for the 3. However, the IV would
be the guideline you would need. You'll pretty much need the entire firewall
forward un less you want to re-glass the cowling.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dcecil3@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Installation Model 3
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Has anyone got a copy of the 912 Installation Manual for the model 3 they
could send me ? Bought a 912 and would like to get see what I need to get it
in
the plane
Thanks
David Cecil
KF3#950
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| Subject: | Replacing engine mount isolator bushings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Roger,
It can be done without pulling the engine. Do you have the engine
installation manual ? You could also refer to the Service Bulletin.. I think
there was a illustration there.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Subject: Kitfox-List: Replacing engine mount isolator bushings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Has anyone come up with a set of instructions for changing the engine mount
isolator bushings on the 912? I have a Model IV / 912 UL with about 225
hours. I ordered the P/N: 64804.000, 912 & 912S engine isolator kit from SS
but it didn't include any installation instructions. Is it going to be a job
I can do with the engine on the airplane or do I need to pull the engine?
Roger Standley
N499KF
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| Subject: | OT: List Reminders |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
dmorisse wrote:
> 2. As was illustrated before, if you send a message that has no value
> to the list as a whole, please end it on the last line with "Do not
> archive". This is probably difficult to remember, but you'll get used to
> it.
Darrel,
This is indeed a good idea. Searching an archive is not interesting if one
finds a lot of "yeah, thanks!", "ok, will do" or any irrelevant small chat.
However, may I also suggest the use of a leading "OT" in the body of the title?
It is my observation that this acronym, standing for "off-topic," is frequently
used by various English-speaking lists. It would not only help you to know what
to archive but also help the daily reader to skip what is not really
interesting for everyone. This may well be answers to acknowledge or thank
people, it's up to the poster.
Just a suggestion.
Cheers,
Michel
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: trim indicator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sorry guys - I have been gone to ABQ all week and
missed several good topics like this.
I too had trouble with the mechanical trim. The
spring end would just curl and uncurl before the
indicator would move. Accuracy +/- 25% at best.
After talking to SS and some other people who had
their's jam the stab, I took mine out. Going to use
the visual line on the tail as primary, but still need
to add the mirror.
Since there was a hole in the counsel now, I mounted a
Radio Shack leanier stereo meter there and put a
potentiometer in the tail attached to the stab. The
meter just reads the voltage off the pot' as an
indicator. The attachment is via 6# fishing line so
that it will break before jamming the tail. Maybe
$15, but a bit of work.
Kurt S.
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I can't imagine why SS doesn't go the electronic
> way, so simple and effective, no moving parts,
> reliable and I'm sure much cheaper.
>
>
> John A.
>
>
> From: "Alberto Barba" <AMBARBA@INFOSEL.NET.MX>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: trim indicator
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:44:36 -0600
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Alberto Barba"
> <AMBARBA@INFOSEL.NET.MX>
>
> John same problem Im working in electronic indicator
>
>
>
> Alberto Barba
> Serie 6 282 Hrs.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: trim indicator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
kurt schrader wrote: Since there was a hole in the counsel now, I mounted a
Radio Shack leanier stereo meter there and put a
potentiometer in the tail attached to the stab. The
meter just reads the voltage off the pot' as an
indicator. The attachment is via 6# fishing line so
that it will break before jamming the tail. Maybe
$15, but a bit of work.
<SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM>
Kurt, the great thing about the magnetic reed switches is that there is no mechanical
connection....JohnA
Gaming galore at <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENNZ/2731??PS=">XtraMSN Gaming!
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| Subject: | Re: My first "test" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Hey, what's that. About a cup of oil on the right
> side floor boards!
Wow! Sorry to hear that, Kurt! Oil mess in a brand new plane is a sorry sight.
Glad it went well and congrats on your first trial flight. I can only get
better and better and better and ... ;-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | OT: Junk mail and the list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dee Young wrote:
> Not sure why but most of the emails from the list are now showing up in my
> Junk Mail box. Am I doing something wrong here?
Reading 182 emails in a couple of hours, I may have missed the answer to your
question, Dee. But if you are still wondering, it may be that you had a filter
directing the old list address to a "Kitfox folder." The new list address
should then be add to that filter.
I use Netscape as a mail reader and this is how I re-directed the precious
content of this new Kitfox list.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Interesting tread |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Guess you're back, or at least- not far away??
Hello Torgeir. Yes, I am back from a nice trip. While transiting in
Madrid-Barajas, I tried to contact Michel Gordillo but he wasn't there. In
Alicante, I visited the Muchamiel airfield. Now I know where I'll fly from the
day I'll retire and live in Spain! :-)
(Note to our American friends: For us, Europeans, Spain is like Florida for you).
> There should be a little for you to read right now(?), so I'm just
> sitting back and waiting for some response.. :)
I read everything that has been written on this tread and enjoyed it very much,
thank you. I understand now that, with my CW 582 engine, I better forward-slip
on the right, due to the P-factor.
> Today, the Sun started the descend below the horizon up here, so from
> now we'll have "the theoretical night, well quite real too" in my place
> of the world.
Yes, you are going in the "dark period" of the year. The period at which the
met office shows a symbol of a line with a half sun under it to indicate that
the sky will be clear but unfortunately the sun under the horizon so no one
will see it! :-(
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Does any one know the average cost to rebuild a 912? I have most shop tools
and have rebuilt VW's ,several Chevy 327's and a Ford 289(Which I put into a
Toyota Landcrusier) not to mention a couple of447Rotax's.The engine has about
1000Hrs.TTSN
Thanks in Advance
David-KF#950
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
The 912 is currently up to 1500 hours before rebuild.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dcecil3@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> Does any one know the average cost to rebuild a 912? I have most shop
tools
> and have rebuilt VW's ,several Chevy 327's and a Ford 289(Which I put
into a
> Toyota Landcrusier) not to mention a couple of447Rotax's.The engine has
about
> 1000Hrs.TTSN
> Thanks in Advance
> David-KF#950
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
my 912 serial # predates the Hour upgrade so I would guess its still a
1000Hr. Engine?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
David,
Get the 912 repair manual. There are several special tools required. But the
labor cost savings would probably cover the cost of tools +. Also, Rotax
and/or Lockwood occasionally holds training schools for mechanics. Usually
over a weekend. This would give you the specialized knowledge needed for
this engine.
Are your compression tests showing a need for overhaul? It may be that just
sending the heads off for overhaul may do the trick. Take a good look at the
cylinder walls; unless you operate in a really harsh environment and don't
keep a clean air filter and don't change your oil regularly, it's highly
likely that they are fine. If you haven't overhauled the gearbox and carbs,
it's certainly time for them to be overhauled. You can rent the gearbox
puller from Lockwood and return it when you send in the gearbox.
I sent my engine to Lockwood for overhaul at 900+ hours because it had
ingested some washers. Compression before the ingestion was like new.
They reworked the heads, split the case, bead blasted the case, trued the
faces, inspected crankshaft/camshaft, replaced bearings, seals, gaskets,
three cylinders, two pistons, rings etc. They told me that aside from the
washer damage, the engine looked like new inside. Of course I've been
changing the oil and filter every 25 hours. The gearbox and carbs had been
rebuilt the previous year so they didn't do anything to them.
They also told me that it wasn't uncommon to see engines come in with 1800
hours showing little cylinder wear. Of course by that time I would be
thinking about a new crankshaft/camshaft. These are the expensive items!
Best Regards,
Cliff
Kitfox 5, Rotax 912 xtra, 1000 hours
Kitfox 5, Lyc. 0-235 240 hours
Kitfox 5 Lyc. 0-290 d, 0 hours (partly built, for sale)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Does any one know the average cost to rebuild a 912? I have most shop tools
and have rebuilt VW's ,several Chevy 327's and a Ford 289(Which I put into
a
Toyota Landcrusier) not to mention a couple of447Rotax's.The engine has
about
1000Hrs.TTSN
Thanks in Advance
David-KF#950
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