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1. 12:47 AM - Re: Glider Release Tow hook (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
2. 03:41 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 11/24/03 (confirm please) ()
3. 04:23 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (torgemor)
4. 04:26 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (torgemor)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Daniel Aller)
6. 05:48 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Len Shorethose)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: Fuel pump (Paul Seehafer)
8. 06:32 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Paul Seehafer)
9. 06:56 AM - Re: IO-240 Alternator (VFT@aol.com)
10. 07:15 AM - Series 6 vs Series 7 (KFN102LG@aol.com)
11. 07:25 AM - Re: Bungee Gear (Mark Scott)
12. 07:33 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Lowell Fitt)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Daniel Aller)
14. 08:11 AM - Re: IO-240 Alternator (Brian Peck)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: Series 6 vs Series 7 (JMCBEAN)
16. 10:25 AM - Fuel octane? (Jack Seaford)
17. 11:38 AM - Re: Fuel octane? (JMCBEAN)
18. 03:17 PM - Model number (Bill Pleso)
19. 03:43 PM - Re: Model number (Howard Firm)
20. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuel pump (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
21. 05:26 PM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Jay Fabian)
22. 05:51 PM - Re: Model number (JMCBEAN)
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| Subject: | Re: Glider Release Tow hook |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
I have some drawings of the tow hook Jim Maupin used on the Carbon Dragon
ultralight glider. If you are only going to use it as a tie down release it
is cheap and easy to make. Should be able to adapt it for the tail of an
airplane.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Glider Release Tow hook
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Frank,
The experimental aircraft can no longer be used as tow planes, banner tugs.
So unless you are using that to tie down for hand propping or float ops it
might be something you will never use.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank &
Phyllis
Subject: Kitfox-List: Glider Release Tow hook
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank & Phyllis"
<frank.phyllis@mindspring.com>
Has anyone considered or actually installed a glider release tow hook on
a tail dragger config Kitfox? Something I'm thinking about doing-using
the WAG-AERO H-847-000 part.
Frank McDonald
Series 7
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 11/24/03 (confirm please) |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
It was the gasket used on a Mercedes car.
Bring your old gasket, and find such a dealer.
Torgeir.
>===== Original Message From "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net> =====
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
>
>List,
>Someone once mentioned a auto dealer we could get good gas cap gaskets.
>
>Dan Aller
>Alice, PA
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
Did not notice that you've answered this one..
:)
Torgeir.
>===== Original Message From "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
=====
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
>I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
>
>Jay
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
>> Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
>thickness
>> and material for a $.....-j-
>> If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
>> :-)
>>
>> Elbie
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
Jay,
Do you have the part # or model year of car?
Thanks to all for your response.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
> I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
>
> Jay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
> > Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
> thickness
> > and material for a $.....-j-
> > If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
> > :-)
> >
> > Elbie
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose" <TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
Here is the part # for the gasket. A perfect fit for
the cap gasket is Mercedes Benz fuel cap gasket # 140-471-00-79 seal ring.
Probably close to $3 apiece by now.
Len Shorethose N704LS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller"
<daller1@zoominternet.net>
>
> Jay,
> Do you have the part # or model year of car?
> Thanks to all for your response.
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >
> > I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
> >
> > Jay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
> > > Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
> > thickness
> > > and material for a $.....-j-
> > > If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Elbie
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
FWIW
Back in the early 90's Avid Aircraft did a test with their airplane to see
if they turned off the fuel pump if the engine would stay running. Aircraft
was 582 Rotax powered. They had the airplane heavily loaded in hopes to
make it a practical test simulating a reaslistic flight scenario.
The results showed that the engine would stay running with the fuel pump
disabled as long as they didn't run wide open throttle or at high angle
climbs. If I remember right the gravity fuel pressure measures a pound and
a half. So you can at least fly back home without a fuel pump as long as
you don't run the throttle hard.
I do think it is always best to have a redundant fuel pump installed, but
also understand the additional weight and complexity issues. So I do not
have one in my 912 ul model IV.
(the dual wing tank system of the Avid is much the same as the Kitfox, but
the header tank actually sits lower in the fueselage than does the plastic
tank in my Model IV Kitfox)
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
32 degrees and cloudy
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Jay:
Any chance you could give the part number to the list. I work in a
Mercedes dealership and would be more than happy to inform the list of the
cost and availability if I just had the part number.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
>
> Jay
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| Subject: | Re: IO-240 Alternator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
The coupler failed last year on 24ZM at 480 hours. I had to pull the engine in
order to change the coupler. I went with an overhauled replacement from Drake
in Oklahoma. Be sure and change the oil and check the screen/filter. Mine had
small bits of rubber from the coupler. I also had to replace the nut on the end
of the alternator shaft. There is a torque limit when tightening the nut and
I could not get the cotter pin holes to line up without exceeding it.
Danny Melnik
N24ZM
Kitfox S5 Safari IO-240B
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| Subject: | Series 6 vs Series 7 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KFN102LG@aol.com
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a Series 6 and Series 7
Kitfox? Skystar does not list the 6 any more and I don't want to buy an
unfinished project if parts availability is going to be a problem. Thanks in advance.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Scott" <scottm@dol.net>
My model four project has been sitting on the gear for many years before I
picked it up last year. As far as I can tell, it has always been stored
inside. I can only assume that the bungees on it are the original ones that
came with the kit in 1993. I noted on the email regarding bungees that they
should be replaced every 5 years. Would this apply to mine as well, even
though it hasn't seen any takeoffs or landings?
Mark Scott
Elkton, Md
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Dan, I finally found he note from the past - this from Jim Chapman, 2 Feb
1999.
Mercedes Benz # 140-471-00-79
They were $2.34 then.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller"
<daller1@zoominternet.net>
>
> Jay,
> Do you have the part # or model year of car?
> Thanks to all for your response.
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >
> > I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
> >
> > Jay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
> > > Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
> > thickness
> > > and material for a $.....-j-
> > > If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Elbie
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
Len,
Thanks for the part #.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Len Shorethose" <TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose"
<TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
>
> Here is the part # for the gasket. A perfect fit for
> the cap gasket is Mercedes Benz fuel cap gasket # 140-471-00-79 seal ring.
> Probably close to $3 apiece by now.
>
> Len Shorethose N704LS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller"
> <daller1@zoominternet.net>
> >
> > Jay,
> > Do you have the part # or model year of car?
> > Thanks to all for your response.
> > Dan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> > <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
> > > > Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
> > > thickness
> > > > and material for a $.....-j-
> > > > If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Elbie
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IO-240 Alternator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brian Peck <u2drvr@dslextreme.com>
That's what I was afraid of...the clearance behind the alternator looks
pretty tight. I guess I'll be pulling the engine soon.
Thanks,
Brian Peck
Kitfox 5, IO-240
U-2S Test Pilot
On Nov 27, 2003, at 6:55 AM, VFT@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
>
> The coupler failed last year on 24ZM at 480 hours. I had to pull the
> engine in order to change the coupler. I went with an overhauled
> replacement from Drake in Oklahoma. Be sure and change the oil and
> check the screen/filter. Mine had small bits of rubber from the
> coupler. I also had to replace the nut on the end of the alternator
> shaft. There is a torque limit when tightening the nut and I could not
> get the cotter pin holes to line up without exceeding it.
>
> Danny Melnik
> N24ZM
> Kitfox S5 Safari IO-240B
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> _-
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> _-
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> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Series 6 vs Series 7 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
The primary difference is the firewall forward and the flaperons. Both will
work on a 6.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KFN102LG@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 6 vs Series 7
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KFN102LG@aol.com
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a Series 6 and Series 7
Kitfox? Skystar does not list the 6 any more and I don't want to buy an
unfinished project if parts availability is going to be a problem. Thanks
in advance.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jack Seaford" <jseaford@bellsouth.net>
I am new to the world of Kitfox, I have a newly finished 4-1200, with a Rotax 912
ULS.
Was wondering about fuel octane for best performance and economy?
I own a Maule and burn avgas in it.
Jack Seaford
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Refer to the Rotax manual...
Min 92 Oct unleaded is recommended
100LL can be used but you should also use a lead scavenger such as TCP. TCP
is almost impossible to get a hold of these days.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack Seaford
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel octane?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jack Seaford" <jseaford@bellsouth.net>
I am new to the world of Kitfox, I have a newly finished 4-1200, with a
Rotax 912 ULS.
Was wondering about fuel octane for best performance and economy?
I own a Maule and burn avgas in it.
Jack Seaford
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen designations like Kitfox Mod IV-1200.
I know what a model IV is, but what is the "-1200"?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Model number |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model number
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen designations like Kitfox Mod
IV-1200. I know what a model IV is, but what is the "-1200"?
> Bill
That number would be the gross wt. of the aircraft.
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/27/03 9:32:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
av8rps@tznet.com writes:
>
> The results showed that the engine would stay running with the fuel pump
> disabled as long as they didn't run wide open throttle or at high angle
> climbs. If I remember right the gravity fuel pressure measures a pound and
> a half. So you can at least fly back home without a fuel pump as long as
> you don't run the throttle hard.
>
Paul,
Below is a pretty good site for fuel pressures in reference to Ellision
throttle bodies. The pressure quoted is 1 lb for every 30 inches of height. I
don't think the Kitfox has 30 inches from the bottom of the wing tank to the
carb inlet so, pressure would be less than 1 lb. We discussed this many moons
ago and I believe it was JR that tried running his 582 with the pump
disabled. If I remember correctly, it didn't work too well but did run at low
throttle. Problem is, the engine ran lean (I think).
Don Smythe
http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/faqs/gravity_system.htm
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
I believe I just brought in the cap and all of their gaskets are the same
size. Mine is a blue rubber gasket, and never leaks even with the wings
folded.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller"
<daller1@zoominternet.net>
>
> Jay,
> Do you have the part # or model year of car?
> Thanks to all for your response.
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >
> > I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
> >
> > Jay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
> > > Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
> > thickness
> > > and material for a $.....-j-
> > > If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Elbie
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
The Model IV has essentially 3 variants all being Model IV's as opposed to
assigning another name.
Early Model IV's had a gross weight of 1050 and was later increased to 1200.
Therefore it was easy to identify them as a Model IV - 1050 or 1200
accordingly. Unfortunately there is no way to increase the Model IV - 1050
to 1200.
Then there is the Model IV Speedster. A Model IV - 1200 with "Speed"
options and a shortened wing.
Then there is the Classic IV. All Classic IV's are 1200 gross. For a brief
time the Model IV was discontinued and then re-introduced as the Classic IV.
One more..... the Lite squared... without getting into too much detail....
It is also essentially a Model IV.
OOPS... almost forgot about the XL. Another variant of the Model IV with a
1050 gross weight.
Confused yet ?
Current production is the Classic IV. The Lite squared, XL and Speedster
were all discontinued.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model number
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Please excuse my ignorance, but I've seen designations like Kitfox Mod
IV-1200. I know what a model IV is, but what is the "-1200"?
Bill
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