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1. 06:05 AM - Re: Moesler (Gary Algate)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Mosler (Gary Algate)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Mosler (Aerobatics@aol.com)
4. 11:08 AM - panel maker (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
5. 12:02 PM - Re: gas cap gaskets (Daniel Aller)
6. 12:14 PM - Re: Mosler (Dcecil3@aol.com)
7. 12:24 PM - Re: Mosler (JMCBEAN)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: panel maker (Howard Firm)
9. 01:04 PM - test-new member (HOLZY@aol.com)
10. 01:45 PM - Re: Mosler (Larry Graves)
11. 01:50 PM - Rudder Trim (Daniel Aller)
12. 01:51 PM - Re: Mosler (Gary Algate)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: Mosler (Clint Bazzill)
14. 02:25 PM - Re: Mosler (Allan Aaron)
15. 02:45 PM - Fiberglass repair (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
16. 02:46 PM - Mosler clarification (Bill Pleso)
17. 03:44 PM - Re: Mosler (Aerobatics@aol.com)
18. 04:22 PM - Re: OT: Spanish wine (Torgeir Mortensen)
19. 04:34 PM - Fuel Flow indicator System. (Torgeir Mortensen)
20. 05:17 PM - Re: Mosler (Lowell Fitt)
21. 05:20 PM - Re: Mosler (Lowell Fitt)
22. 05:26 PM - Re: Fiberglass repair (Lowell Fitt)
23. 06:08 PM - Jab engine (DC91840@aol.com)
24. 06:09 PM - Re: Mosler (Jerry Liles)
25. 06:59 PM - Re: Fiberglass repair (Wwillyard@aol.com)
26. 07:54 PM - Model 5 Wheel Width (Jim Corner)
27. 07:58 PM - S7 parts (Arthur Nation)
28. 08:13 PM - Re: Jab engine (Aerobatics@aol.com)
29. 08:22 PM - Re: Model 5 Wheel Width (Arthur Nation)
30. 08:49 PM - Re: Mosler clarification (Dcecil3@aol.com)
31. 08:59 PM - Re: Mosler clarification (Bob Unternaehrer)
32. 09:40 PM - Archiving or No Archiving (Don Pearsall)
33. 10:08 PM - Re: Model 5 Wheel Width (Jim Corner)
34. 10:28 PM - Re: panel maker (Ted Palamarek)
35. 10:33 PM - Re: Model 5 Wheel Width (Arthur Nation)
36. 10:43 PM - Re: panel maker (Ted Palamarek)
37. 11:48 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Bill.
There is a Moesler/Classic 4 here in Sudbury for sale - you can contact Mike
Komerenchka for info on the engine.
His email address is cindyk@unitz.on.ca
Do not archive
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mosler
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
If there is anybody that is running a Mosler (VW conversion), would you
please contact me off-list, as I have a number of questions. This engine
came with an uncompleted Model IV Classic. Thank you. Bill
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Bill this is the same guy that I emailed you with his email address.
Unfortunately they have not been happy with the power available from the
Moesler. It sounds great and cruises great but has very limited rate of
climb and tends to overheat on the somewhat extended climb out. The reason
he is selling it is the engine power.
My 582 has a far better rate of climb than the Moesler
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Bill, a guy in Ontario, Canada has posted a Model IV with a VW2180 for sale.
His number is 705 693-3546.
He may have something to say.
Doug Remoundos
Montreal, Canada
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
At one of a our recent Flyins, a guy had a little tiny J3 look a like.....
it huffed and puffed and ...well almost made it and the corn jump up and
grabbed the little J3 and it plopped in .... that VW Mosler tried but it just
didnt seem have it.
I had a Kolb with a 503 and the performance was awsome. I think it was more
reliable than that little VW (opinion)
Then a KF 2 with a 582 awsome performance
I flew a KF 4 with a Jab 80 and MY 582 was clearly stronger...
:-)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I can't locate the panel maker program in my files. Can someone help me?
John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: gas cap gaskets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
Lowell,
Thanks for your time.
Len Shorethoes gave me the Mercedes part #.
Dan,
Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Dan, I finally found he note from the past - this from Jim Chapman, 2
Feb
> 1999.
>
> Mercedes Benz # 140-471-00-79
>
> They were $2.34 then.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving,
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller"
> <daller1@zoominternet.net>
> >
> > Jay,
> > Do you have the part # or model year of car?
> > Thanks to all for your response.
> > Dan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> > <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > I got mine from a Mercedes dealer.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap gaskets
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/26/03 5:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > janderson412@hotmail.com writes:
> > > > Go to a gasket maker and he'll cut a couple out the correct size,
> > > thickness
> > > > and material for a $.....-j-
> > > > If enough calls for them I'll handle them, make a buck each or so~~
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Elbie
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Guys: Mosler made to versions of the VW based engine! A 35 H.P. 2 Cyl. based
on the Globel which was a Hunk of junk. and a 4 Cyl.75 H.P. Based more or
less on the Hapi engine Who Bob Counts was in partnership with during its
Heyday. The little plane your refering to is the N-3 pup and I don't think anyone
here is crazy enough to put a 35 H.P. Moseler in a Kit Fox Sheeew ENOUGH save
alot of email space Know what your talking about befor you start firing e-mails
Thanks a Bunch
David KF#950
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Ever seen how fast corn grows.... :)
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
At one of a our recent Flyins, a guy had a little tiny J3 look a like.....
it huffed and puffed and ...well almost made it and the corn jump up and
grabbed the little J3 and it plopped in .... that VW Mosler tried but it
just
didnt seem have it.
I had a Kolb with a 503 and the performance was awsome. I think it was
more
reliable than that little VW (opinion)
Then a KF 2 with a 582 awsome performance
I flew a KF 4 with a Jab 80 and MY 582 was clearly stronger...
:-)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
This one?
www.epanelbuilder.com/
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: panel maker
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> I can't locate the panel maker program in my files. Can someone help me?
>
> John Kerr
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: HOLZY@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Graves" <larry@larrygraves.com>
12/01/03
Question for the list.
What is the best way to install windshield, cowling, and firewall???? I
am having a hard time trying to figure out which come first, seems all of
them is measured of the other. Series 5..
A little help please..
Larry Graves
larry@larrygraves.com\
Thanks!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Ever seen how fast corn grows.... :)
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Aerobatics@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> At one of a our recent Flyins, a guy had a little tiny J3 look a like.....
> it huffed and puffed and ...well almost made it and the corn jump up and
> grabbed the little J3 and it plopped in .... that VW Mosler tried but it
> just
> didnt seem have it.
>
> I had a Kolb with a 503 and the performance was awsome. I think it was
> more
> reliable than that little VW (opinion)
>
>
> Then a KF 2 with a 582 awsome performance
>
> I flew a KF 4 with a Jab 80 and MY 582 was clearly stronger...
>
> :-)
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
To the list,
I would like to know what works out as a rudder trim tab?
Size,location,method of attachment .
Witch hole ,of the three,on the forward edge of horizontal stabilizer trimmed the
fox out best?
I have a Classic IV,912s,NSI cap140,Grove gear,LP acrylic windows,too much paint
on cowl.
Final assembly,not weighted, hope I didn't build to heavy.
Dan
N239DA
Acme,PA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
The Moesler VW engine in the Model 4 based here in Ontario is the 4 cylinder
75Hp version.
Even so, it is a very iffy 75Hp as we also have 80Hp 912 and 65Hp 582
engines that appear to develop far more power. This plane with 2 medium
sized people (180lb) has a take off climb rate at 60 mph of approx 250ft/min
compared to 650 ft/min with the same load/ same day for my plane with the
582.
I believe that this engine is far more successful when combined with a
re-drive but it starts to get quite pricey.
BTW, I'm sure that the previous list member who mentioned the N3 Pup/Moesler
combination wasn't trying to upset anyone when he mistakenly identified the
wrong engine. We all make mistakes - I even made one this year !!!!
Gary
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dcecil3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Guys: Mosler made to versions of the VW based engine! A 35 H.P. 2 Cyl.
based
on the Globel which was a Hunk of junk. and a 4 Cyl.75 H.P. Based more or
less on the Hapi engine Who Bob Counts was in partnership with during its
Heyday. The little plane your refering to is the N-3 pup and I don't think
anyone
here is crazy enough to put a 35 H.P. Moseler in a Kit Fox Sheeew ENOUGH
save
alot of email space Know what your talking about befor you start firing
e-mails
Thanks a Bunch
David KF#950
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
The reason that those engines won't work well with a Kitfox is they are direct
drive. They use very short props which only work well with faster airplanes. No
climb rate, that goes for the Jab engine. I flew in a model with the 6 cyl engine,
was not impressed.
I have seen a VW powered airplane at OSH doing Tg's withpoorclimb. The next year
the same plane and engine had a prop reduction unit installed, what a difference.
Clint
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Hi Clint and all
For what its worth, I have an Avid Speedwing with a Jabiru 2200 (4Cyl) and a short
(55" Prince prop) and get up to 1300 fpm climb (solo sea level). I think
that's a pretty good climb rate for a stubby wing, draggy plane.
Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Bazzill [mailto:clint_bazzill@hotmail.com]
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
The reason that those engines won't work well with a Kitfox is they are direct
drive. They use very short props which only work well with faster airplanes. No
climb rate, that goes for the Jab engine. I flew in a model with the 6 cyl engine,
was not impressed.
I have seen a VW powered airplane at OSH doing Tg's withpoorclimb. The next year
the same plane and engine had a prop reduction unit installed, what a difference.
Clint
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| Subject: | Fiberglass repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
Hello list members,
Three weeks ago I had a ground loop and some things
got damaged. I have to repair the wing tip and the
cowling bottom. Does somebody know if the fiber glass
in those elements are made with epoxic or acrylic
resin?
Thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Mosler clarification |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Gentlemen,
I appreciate all the input (even though it isn't exactly what I wanted to hear),
but just to clear things up, this is the 4cyl. version with a tuned exhaust
and an Ellison TBI. The engine is rated @ 82hp, but that is at 3200rpm, so
I would be limited to a 60" prop (if what I was told is correct) to keep the
tip speed subsonic. From what I've been able to find out, if I use a PSRU @1.6:1,
I could swing about a 72" prop. Since I already have the engine, this might
be an affordable way to go. I still need more input on this combo before
I invest the $1300.00 for the PSRU. This site is full of ideas on just about
anything, and I've taken to heart all of your input. As far as cooling goes,
is anyone running pressure chambers around the cylinders and heads (like the
Jabiru) rather that the more typical baffles? If so, have you had good luck with
it. Thanks again for all the input
Bill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 12/1/2003 4:26:23 PM Central Standard Time,
aaaron@tvp.com.au writes:
> Hi Clint and all
>
> For what its worth, I have an Avid Speedwing with a Jabiru 2200 (4Cyl) and a
> short (55" Prince prop) and get up to 1300 fpm climb (solo sea level). I
> think that's a pretty good climb rate for a stubby wing, draggy plane.
>
> Allan
>
Hi that is great maybe the one I was in was not set up properly..... it
was a KF 4 Jab 2200 with an IVO. I heard form somewhere the newer Jab is more
powerful??
dont get me wrong.... I am concidering a project with the Jab
3300...
there are many planes and engines.... some are better suited..... a gear
driven 2 stroke is light and has tremdous thrust... and on a KF 2 a 582 with
IVO is spectacular ....
I am seriously looking at a Sonex with a 3300..... seems a perfect match for
that little plane.......
IF I had a dream come true.... I really like the idea of a Rotax 100S on a KF
4...... oh well!
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Spanish wine |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> Yep, that's the place, Torgeir! How about flying our Kitfoxes from there when
> we are retired? :-)
A great idea, but why wait that long ???
Torgeir.
do not archive!
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow indicator System. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Two months ago I bought a fuel flow system, this system is quite "the
one", but, have still not installed this one, and there is something to
consider.
First, this system is as good as the ones made for boats, etc., this one
is even better - as it's made for aircraft's, -but not for the
certified.
The electronic indicator can be connected to a "resistor" fuel level
sender, the one with the float and arm, further, it has an output for a
low level light. Not to forgot the flow transmitter.
Also, it can be configured for non-linear fuel tanks (not bad).
The fuel flow transmitter is the same as used in most of such
"inexpensive" flow systems, the gray/white look alike body with an arrow
to show flow direction.
This device can be "adjusted" for two different rates. If it is
installed as is, the unit can transfer from (12 - 540) liters / hour,
eq. to (3.2 - 143) Gal. / hour.
If you install the (restrictor) jet, the flow will be lowered to, (2 -
90) liters / hour, eq. to (0.53 - 24) Gal. / hour.
So, first question is; what range do I use- and why ?
This question seems to be an easy one, but it isn't.
As we install the unit as is, the unit will be "somewhat" in-accurate.
This caused by the chosen operating area as we operate near the lower
limit for the system. According to the installation description, the
flow has to be "some in" the middle of range to assure best accuracy.
In other word, the installation manual ask for higher speed of the flow,
this is done by reducing the opening and have some more speed at the
"impeller wheel", this will improve the overall accuracy for the system.
The bad thing is, if we reduce the fuel line just as required, we'll
introduce an vapour forming and vapour pocket as well a restriction in
our fuel line. Well, you don't get all that for free..
The restriction will give some pressure drop across the flow
transmitter, and under some condition vapour can form inside the flow
transmitter (tx for short).
Lets make some conclusion based on the above:
1) Never install a fuel flow system without a fuel pump.
2) Never install a fuel flow tx before the fuel pump.
3) Install the fuel flow tx uphill, just before the carburetor. (this
will let vapour escape through the carburetor(s)).
Is this all there is ?
No, there is more to consider.
The manual ask for a filter in front of the flow tx, yes, one more
restriction or is it?
Well, normally we (should) have already a filter installed so this
should be no problem, well not quite. The extra filter also serving as a
"pulse" buffer, yes this filter is also meant to reduce the pulsing from
our fuel pump (a known problem in such system as pulsing give erratic
reading). So it's not only filtering the fuel (preventing something to
stuck the impeller wheel), it's also filtering away "most" of the
pulsing fuel pressure. The latter caused by some trapped air in the
filter housing, then, -some small air bubbles is easy to compress,
who-la this is our simple pulse filter. Two in one.
Well, there is still one more, and this is the flow tx itself. As this
flow tx is made of some "plastic" stuff, PVDF, this device would not
tolerate to much heat. Based on the statement above, the fuel flow tx
must be installed near the carburetors. Looks like I'll have to make a
fuel flow tx box. This box must withstand heat / fire, as well support
the fuel flow tx and associated fuel housing.
Looks like I'll have to chose the "non jetted" version to install.
Wonder if there is anything more to consider here?
Here is the direct link to the installation document for the fuel flow
tx:
http://users.iafrica.com/r/ra/rainier/ffdoc.pdf
Here is the direct link to a view of a picture of fuel flow tx and fuel
quantity sender:
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/probes.html
This is the link to the documentation for the fuel flow indicator:
http://users.iafrica.com/r/ra/rainier/ff1.pdf
By the way, here is the link to the "De Luxe System" at our "own" site:
Just roll down...
http://www.matronics.com/
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Larry, Everything fits to the cowling and it fits to the engine.
1. mount the engine
2. Mount the cowling to fit the engine - prop flange etc
3. Mount the firewall and trim to fit the cowling
4. Mount the windshield - OK to reverse 3 and 4
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Graves" <larry@larrygraves.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Graves" <larry@larrygraves.com>
>
> 12/01/03
>
> Question for the list.
>
> What is the best way to install windshield, cowling, and firewall????
I
> am having a hard time trying to figure out which come first, seems all of
> them is measured of the other. Series 5..
> A little help please..
>
>
> Larry Graves
> larry@larrygraves.com\
> Thanks!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> > Ever seen how fast corn grows.... :)
> >
> > Blue Skies!!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > Aerobatics@aol.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mosler
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
> >
> > At one of a our recent Flyins, a guy had a little tiny J3 look a
like.....
> > it huffed and puffed and ...well almost made it and the corn jump up and
> > grabbed the little J3 and it plopped in .... that VW Mosler tried but
it
> > just
> > didnt seem have it.
> >
> > I had a Kolb with a 503 and the performance was awsome. I think it was
> > more
> > reliable than that little VW (opinion)
> >
> >
> > Then a KF 2 with a 582 awsome performance
> >
> > I flew a KF 4 with a Jab 80 and MY 582 was clearly stronger...
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
The shorter prop is masked by the Model IV's round cowl. The Avid has what
most Kitfox guys call the smooth cowl. In practice, Auto conversion engines
without reduction drives and the Jab have not performed well with the Model
IV.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
>
> Hi Clint and all
>
> For what its worth, I have an Avid Speedwing with a Jabiru 2200 (4Cyl) and
a short (55" Prince prop) and get up to 1300 fpm climb (solo sea level). I
think that's a pretty good climb rate for a stubby wing, draggy plane.
>
> Allan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clint Bazzill [mailto:clint_bazzill@hotmail.com]
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
<clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
>
>
> The reason that those engines won't work well with a Kitfox is they are
direct drive. They use very short props which only work well with faster
airplanes. No climb rate, that goes for the Jab engine. I flew in a model
with the 6 cyl engine, was not impressed.
>
>
> I have seen a VW powered airplane at OSH doing Tg's withpoorclimb. The
next year the same plane and engine had a prop reduction unit installed,
what a difference. Clint
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Francisco, I have made modifications to the cowl and wing tips, but have
always used epoxy.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass repair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
>
> Hello list members,
>
> Three weeks ago I had a ground loop and some things
> got damaged. I have to repair the wing tip and the
> cowling bottom. Does somebody know if the fiber glass
> in those elements are made with epoxic or acrylic
> resin?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Francisco Icaza
> Classic IV
>
> La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes.
http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Hi Guys:
I have a Classic IV with a Jab 3300.I get a 1500 + FPM
climb.Thats with a Sensenich wood prop,64x46.
Now I don't think thats a bad climb rate.Or is it??????
My cowling is the KF with the bumps lengthened 9".
Works well but looks different.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
As an Avid MK IV Heavy Hauler owner/builder I'd have to say a Jabiru
with a 55" prop is going to be badly masked by the cowling and is not
likely to provide thrilling takeoff and climb performance though cruise
should improve. The very lightweight earlier models such as an A or B,
or even a very light C model especially with a narrow cowl might be
something else altogether.
Jerry Liles
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>The shorter prop is masked by the Model IV's round cowl. The Avid has what
>most Kitfox guys call the smooth cowl. In practice, Auto conversion engines
>without reduction drives and the Jab have not performed well with the Model
>IV.
>
>Lowell
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
>>
>>Hi Clint and all
>>
>>For what its worth, I have an Avid Speedwing with a Jabiru 2200 (4Cyl) and
>>
>>
>a short (55" Prince prop) and get up to 1300 fpm climb (solo sea level). I
>think that's a pretty good climb rate for a stubby wing, draggy plane.
>
>
>>Allan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Clint Bazzill [mailto:clint_bazzill@hotmail.com]
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mosler
>>
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
>>
>>
><clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
>
>
>>The reason that those engines won't work well with a Kitfox is they are
>>
>>
>direct drive. They use very short props which only work well with faster
>airplanes. No climb rate, that goes for the Jab engine. I flew in a model
>with the 6 cyl engine, was not impressed.
>
>
>>I have seen a VW powered airplane at OSH doing Tg's withpoorclimb. The
>>
>>
>next year the same plane and engine had a prop reduction unit installed,
>what a difference. Clint
>
>
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>>
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>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 12/1/2003 5:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com writes:
Hello list members,
Three weeks ago I had a ground loop and some things
got damaged. I have to repair the wing tip and the
cowling bottom. Does somebody know if the fiber glass
in those elements are made with epoxic or acrylic
resin?
Thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza
I tried to fill external pits on the '94 vintage fuel tanks on my Classic IV
with some polyester resin given to me, it would not cure, indicating that the
tanks were made of epoxy resin. As a result I have used epoxy on the
remaining fiberglass components with no problem.
Bill Willyard
Classic IV, 912
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| Subject: | Model 5 Wheel Width |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
Could someone advise the outside wheel width for a Model 5 with the standard
steel tube gear..... I don't know if I have to modify my trailer in order to
haul one.
Jim Corner
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
To the List:
I would like information from customers of SkyStar who are still owed
major items in their kits. These would be engines, gear, wheels, brakes,
brake cylinders, radiators, props etc. Please list amount paid, from
inventory price list, date of payment and any other information that you
would consider useful.
I will not disclose this information to anyone else without the specific
permission of each person replying to this request. This will be put into a
common database and will not be customer specific.
Your prompt reply, off list, will be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.
Arthur Nation
Tacoma, WA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 12/1/2003 8:09:56 PM Central Standard Time,
DC91840@aol.com writes:
> Hi Guys:
> I have a Classic IV with a Jab 3300.I get a 1500 + FPM
> climb.Thats with a Sensenich wood prop,64x46.
> Now I don't think thats a bad climb rate.Or is it??????
> My cowling is the KF with the bumps lengthened 9".
> Works well but looks different.
>
Awsome ! but that is 120 hp the one I flew had 80.....
I bet it smooth!!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Model 5 Wheel Width |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Monday 01 December 2003 19:53, Jim Corner wrote:
Jim,
Check the web page for Groveaircraft.com. It has dimensions for a Series 5.
Could be what u need.
Arthur
do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Could someone advise the outside wheel width for a Model 5 with the
> standard steel tube gear..... I don't know if I have to modify my trailer
> in order to haul one.
>
> Jim Corner
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mosler clarification |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Bill Pleso: I would go with the PSRU I Know it's an added expense,but it will
add to engine life by lowering RPM I did alot of Looking awile back and
Some of the biggest draw backs on VW's are 1) the Crank bearings are not big
enough to support large or heavy, such as composite Props.( Making the PSRU a
better idea anyway) Nice not to be stuck with a wooden prop as the only choice
for your plane.2) Vw's tend to be heavy once you add the Alternator/Starter
back pack brings the weight around 200 little heavy for a fox but there are
several sites with info Greatplaines for one ,They wrote the book on VW conversions
Hope This helps a Little David KF#950
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| Subject: | Re: Mosler clarification |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Bill.. You will probably be able to go to an 80 or 84 inch prop, and at
least 2:1 reduction., since the reducer raises the prop 5.5 inches. The
catcher here is the reduction unit probably won't fit on your crank and case
that has been modified with heavier bearings and prop flanges, if it has..
It needs the "standard" keyed straight pulley end crankshaft, then it needs
to be drilled for a 5/8 inch bolt x about 3 inches ceep, down inside the
20mm threads that are already there. I am aconverting a standard stroker
engine now and have the fixtures for drilling the crank with out removing it
from the engine.. I've road in airplanes useing the stroker motor with gear
reducers, turning only 3200 rpm motor speed and I thought I was on a Harley,
NOT an airplane... You could call Gene Smith of Valley engineering and
discuss it with him.. Best time to catch him is early morning,, Noon or
evening. Bob U. ranchair@socket.net?subject=Website or culverprops.com
ph 573-364-631
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mosler clarification
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Gentlemen,
> I appreciate all the input (even though it isn't exactly what I wanted
to hear), but just to clear things up, this is the 4cyl. version with a
tuned exhaust and an Ellison TBI. The engine is rated @ 82hp, but that is
at 3200rpm, so I would be limited to a 60" prop (if what I was told is
correct) to keep the tip speed subsonic. From what I've been able to find
out, if I use a PSRU @1.6:1, I could swing about a 72" prop. Since I
already have the engine, this might be an affordable way to go. I still
need more input on this combo before I invest the $1300.00 for the PSRU.
This site is full of ideas on just about anything, and I've taken to heart
all of your input. As far as cooling goes, is anyone running pressure
chambers around the cylinders and heads (like the Jabiru) rather that the
more typical baffles? If so, have you had good luck with it. Thanks again
for all the input
> Bill
>
>
> ---
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>
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| Subject: | Archiving or No Archiving |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I am still seeing that some listers are putting "do not archive" in their
posts. Why? For instance, the last one from Arthur Nation was a useful one
that referred to Groveaircraft.com. Others searching through the archives
will miss this information, which could have helped them.
Again, the only posts that should NOT be archived are ones that should not
have gone to the list in the first place.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Don Pearsall
List Co-Administrator
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| Subject: | Model 5 Wheel Width |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
What I need to know is the width of the model 5 main gear when the standard
tube gear is used, I believe it is narrower than the Grove gear.
Jim
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Monday 01 December 2003 19:53, Jim Corner wrote:
Jim,
Check the web page for Groveaircraft.com. It has dimensions for a Series
5.
Could be what u need.
Arthur
do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Could someone advise the outside wheel width for a Model 5 with the
> standard steel tube gear..... I don't know if I have to modify my trailer
> in order to haul one.
>
> Jim Corner
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Howard
I tried the epanelbuilder.com/ site several times but cannot
get a response??? I just get The second page and everything
stops. Any ideas???
Ted Palamarek
-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: panel maker
-> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
<pianome2@mchsi.com>
This one? www.epanelbuilder.com/
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Re: Model 5 Wheel Width |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Monday 01 December 2003 19:53, Jim Corner wrote:
Jim,
Check the web page for Groveaircraft.com. It has dimensions for a Series 5.
Could be what u need.
Arthur
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Could someone advise the outside wheel width for a Model 5 with the
> standard steel tube gear..... I don't know if I have to modify my trailer
> in order to haul one.
>
> Jim Corner
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Howard
Got the panel maker working okay now. Didn't realise that I
had an old panel I'd fooled around with sometime ago still
in the internet temporary file that was gumming up the works
Thanks
Ted Palamarek
--
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: panel maker
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
<temco@telusplanet.net>
Howard
I tried the epanelbuilder.com/ site several times but cannot
get a response??? I just get The second page and everything
stops. Any ideas???
Ted Palamarek
-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: panel maker
-> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
<pianome2@mchsi.com>
This one? www.epanelbuilder.com/
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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DNA: do not archive
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Dear Lister,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
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