Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:08 AM - Re: Jab engine (Matt Keyes)
2. 02:32 AM - Jabiru engine correction (Matt Keyes)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: Jab engine (DC91840@aol.com)
4. 08:09 AM - Wath kind of message is this?? (torgemor)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: panel maker (Grant Fluent)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Wath kind of message is this?? (Jeff Thomas)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Jab engine (Bruce Harrington)
8. 08:45 AM - Re: Jab engine (Bruce Harrington)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: Wath kind of message is this?? (Bruce Harrington)
10. 08:56 AM - Re: What kind of message is this?? (Don Pearsall)
11. 09:29 AM - Re: Wath kind of message is this?? (Torgeir Mortensen)
12. 09:57 AM - Re: Fuel flow indicator system (Torgeir Mortensen)
13. 10:02 AM - Re: Fuel pumps (Gary Algate)
14. 10:55 AM - Re: What kind of message is this?? (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
15. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Jerry Liles)
16. 11:31 AM - OT: Timewarp WAS: Wath kind of message is this?? (Michel Verheughe)
17. 11:40 AM - Re: Fuel flow indicator system (Michel Verheughe)
18. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Wath kind of message is this?? ()
19. 12:17 PM - S6 Wheel Pants (Jay & Beverly Carter)
20. 12:17 PM - Re: panel maker (Bruce Harrington)
21. 12:19 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
22. 12:26 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp WAS: Wath kind of message is this?? (Torgeir Mortensen)
23. 12:30 PM - Re: KF plans (Paul Seehafer)
24. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Paul Seehafer)
25. 12:49 PM - Short flight (Gary Algate)
26. 01:12 PM - Re: S6 Wheel Pants (John Anderson)
27. 01:53 PM - Re: Short flight (Rick)
28. 03:44 PM - Re: What kind of message is this?? (James Burke)
29. 04:17 PM - Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps (Torgeir Mortensen)
30. 04:38 PM - Re: Short flight (Clifford Begnaud)
31. 04:57 PM - Re: Fuel flow indicator system (Clint Bazzill)
32. 05:19 PM - Re: What kind of message is this?? (Steve Zakreski)
33. 05:41 PM - Moving airplanes (Bob Unternaehrer)
34. 06:01 PM - Re: Replacing engine mount isolator bushings (Wwillyard@aol.com)
35. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Lowell Fitt)
36. 06:46 PM - Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps (Randy Daughenbaugh)
37. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Steve M)
38. 09:38 PM - Re: What kind of message is this?? (Don Pearsall)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Check out Jabiruusa.com for info on the Jabbies. Based out of Neenah, Wisconsin,
near Oshkosh.
Matt
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| Subject: | Jabiru engine correction |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Correction,
The web site for North American Jabiru is www.usjabiru.com
Sorry for the mistake,
Matt
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
I don't believe Jabiru recommends auto fuel.
You could go to www.Jabiruusa.com and find out.
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| Subject: | Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
What kind of message is this, and why is it sent directly to me?
Saw this message on the list a few days ago.
Torgeir.
jeburke@direcway.com here,
I am controlling the email that is sent to my inbox. By asking for you to
confirm that you really sent email to me I can ensure that I receive no spam
and that your email address really exists.
This is a one time confirmation, please click the link below and your email
will be delivered straight away, now and in the future.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
John,
If you have Windows you should be able to hit the
"Print Screen" key and whatever is on your screen will
be on the Windows clipboard. From there, you can use
any program that will let you "paste".
With Internet Explorer, I tried to "select all" and
then "paste" but I only got the outline of the panel.
All of the instruments that you drag onto the panel
are separate pictures. You can save those individually
though by right clicking and "save as".
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
> <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> If you can get a "screen grabber" you can
> essentially take a picture of whatever is on your
> monitor screen and turn it into a bmp and then
> modify it with a paint program. "screen grabbers"
> are available for free download on the internet. I
> used it extensively to plan my panel. I will post
> to sportflight under gotta haves.
>
> Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:-->
> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
>
>
> John, I don't think that you can save the file....I
> was able to print it out
> with the Print Screen key on the keyboard. It's a
> handy little program....I
> used it to get an idea of my layout.
>
> Howard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: panel maker
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> > I located my file but can not print or send the
> page as an attachment.
> Any suggestions?
> >
> > John Kerr
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted
> Palamarek"
>
> > >
> > > Howard
> > >
> > > Got the panel maker working okay now. Didn't
> realise that I
> > > had an old panel I'd fooled around with sometime
> ago still
> > > in the internet temporary file that was gumming
> up the works
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ted Palamarek
> > >
> > > --
> > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: panel maker
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted
> Palamarek"
> > >
> > >
> > > Howard
> > >
> > > I tried the epanelbuilder.com/ site several
> times but cannot
> > > get a response??? I just get The second page and
> everything
> > > stops. Any ideas???
> > >
> > > Ted Palamarek
> > >
> > > -
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: panel maker
> > >
> > > -> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
> > >
>
> > >
> > > This one? www.epanelbuilder.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > Howard Firm
> > > 508 12th St. South
> > > Virginia MN 55792
> > >
> > >
> > > ==============
> > > Contributions
> > > other
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> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > > ==============
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Torgeir,
You are not the only one, I have received the same email sent off list
directly to me several times. I simply deleted it each time as it was from
someone I didn't know.
Regards
Jeff
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "torgemor" <torgemor@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wath kind of message is this??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> What kind of message is this, and why is it sent directly to me?
> Saw this message on the list a few days ago.
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> jeburke@direcway.com here,
>
> I am controlling the email that is sent to my inbox. By asking for you to
> confirm that you really sent email to me I can ensure that I receive no
spam
> and that your email address really exists.
>
> This is a one time confirmation, please click the link below and your
email
> will be delivered straight away, now and in the future.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Steve,
With the latest Jabirus, auto supreme is preferred by my dealer in Wisconsin.
That's what I burn in my Jab 3300ed Sonex.
bh
> Can you run Auto fuel in the Jabiru 3300?
>
> Steve Gandy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
The Jab 3300 Operating Manual says 100LL or high octane auto.
bh
> I don't believe Jabiru recommends auto fuel.
> You could go to www.Jabiruusa.com and find out.
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| Subject: | Re: Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Torgeir,
I get this also. I responded twice, and that did not stop it. Now I just
delete.
Burke installed an anti-spam program which he hasn't programmed correctly yet!
bh
> Hi Folks,
>
> What kind of message is this, and why is it sent directly to me?
> Saw this message on the list a few days ago.
>
>
> Torgeir.
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| Subject: | What kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
It is obviously some of automated response to control spam. Mr. jeburke may
not know that he sent it. However, until jeburke comes on the list and
explains it, I would not respond to it. It could be some sort of email
address collection scheme. I am always suspicious of this sort of email
control. If you do respond to it as it requests, then the email collector
will know for sure it has a valid email address and could send you spam.
Don Pearsall
List Co-Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
OK. Thanks Jeff and Bruce.
Torgeir.
Bruce Harrington wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
> Hi Torgeir,
> I get this also. I responded twice, and that did not stop it. Now I just
> delete.
> Burke installed an anti-spam program which he hasn't programmed correctly yet!
> bh
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > What kind of message is this, and why is it sent directly to me?
> > Saw this message on the list a few days ago.
> >
> >
> > Torgeir.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Michel Verheughe wrote:
> My main concern is if the pulse pump
> membrane punctures and fuel fills the engine through the pulse line. But an
> extra pump won't help there, will it?
You are perfectly right Michel, the aft. half of the engine will be
flooded, the engine start to run very rich and rough then quit.
Under such condition no backup pump help. This have been discussed allot
over the yrs., personally I'll think a change of the carb's inlet valve
(a new float valve) -to one that allow same fuel amount using less inlet
fuel pressure. I.E. We need a fix to the "carb's" that allow less fuel
pressure. If this can be done, "maybe" we can run our two strokes
without the need of the "pulse pump", and just have an electrical for
take off and landing.
Just my dream.. :) ..
All that said, a well maintained "pulse fuel pump" will perform fine
during the "service life".
Cheers
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Michel
I have spoken with many Rotax engine repair people and they have all told me
that they have never seen a failed Rotax pulse pump. I just have the one
pump and there were recent postings on the list stating that the 582 will
continue to run on a gravity supply should the diaphragm fail (albeit at a
lower power setting).
Just about everybody I know that runs a 2 strike Rotax only has the single
pump.
Regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | What kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 08:56, Don Pearsall wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> It is obviously some of automated response to control spam.
That's exactly what it is. The way it works is he doesn't accept mail
without a valid return address and someone that answers. So the first
time someone sends mail to his address it bounces with the message
you've seen, then when you reply it should go through. The problem is
this process is not too good for mail lists because everyone on the list
gets the stupid bounce message. If they reply directly then his mailer
looks at it like another new person (not coming from the KF list this
time) and bounces it again.
There is only one proper solution. Unsubscribe this user. He can't use
such a scheme on a mail list.
> Mr. jeburke may
> not know that he sent it. However, until jeburke comes on the list and
> explains it, I would not respond to it.
I've explained it and now you know that responding will trigger one more
bounce.
> It could be some sort of email
> address collection scheme.
Whether it is or is not, please unsubscribe this guy.
> I am always suspicious of this sort of email
> control. If you do respond to it as it requests, then the email collector
> will know for sure it has a valid email address and could send you spam.
Don't waste another second on this Don, kill that sub.
--
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(425)641-8202 voice | Bellevue, WA 98005
(425)641-1773 fax | <mailto:paul@eucleides.com>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I know of one pulse pump failure that resulted in a forced landing of a
Kitfox. It was reported in the Kitfox newsletter and in the Avid
Flyer. Failure is rare but any device of man's can and will, on
occassion, fail. Shoot, even something as stone simple as a crowbar has
been known to break. Why there wasn't enough gravity feed fuel flow to
support flight I do not know. I suspect the fuel tank vents were in a
low pressure area, limiting fuel flow.
I have heard the float valve on the Bing is set up for a max fuel
pressure of about 2.5lbs. If you have a mechanical or electric pump
that delivers too much pressure the carbs will flood. I also have heard
(but not confirmed) that the carbs can be equipped with a float valve
optimised for gravity feed that will allow ample flow for full power
from wingtanks. Of course these would be very low pressure valves and
the carbs would easily be flooded with even a minor overpressure from a
pump, which is probably why the engines aren't equipped with them.
Jerry Liles
Gary Algate wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
>Michel
>
>I have spoken with many Rotax engine repair people and they have all told me
>that they have never seen a failed Rotax pulse pump. I just have the one
>pump and there were recent postings on the list stating that the 582 will
>continue to run on a gravity supply should the diaphragm fail (albeit at a
>lower power setting).
>
>Just about everybody I know that runs a 2 strike Rotax only has the single
>pump.
>
>Regards
>
>Gary Algate
>Lite2/582
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: Timewarp WAS: Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> OK. Thanks Jeff and Bruce.
Has the demon in your computer send you back in time again, Torgeir? Or did you
really posted this on January the first, 1997? :-)
(I know, I know, your backup battery!)
Cheers,
Michel
Do not archive!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> If this can be done, "maybe" we can run our two strokes
> without the need of the "pulse pump", and just have an electrical for
> take off and landing.
That could be an idea, Torgeir.
Gary Algate wrote:
> Just about everybody I know that runs a 2 strike Rotax only has the single
> pump.
Thanks Gary, I am not too worrying anyway, I fly my Kitfox as told: with always
a landing place in sight. But I must say that from everything I have read so
far, the 582 is a mighty little guy and not strangly, a favourite among very
light aircraft.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
Test
>
> From: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> Date: 2003/12/03 Wed AM 10:35:05 CST
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wath kind of message is this??
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" <valley361@centurytel.net>
Question for anyone that has completed this installation. Looking
at the Skystar instructions it appears that with a fully inflated tire
there would be about 3" between the low point of the pant and
ground. Does not seem adequate.
Thanks, Jay C.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
After "Print Screen", go to Start/Programs/Accessories and open "Paint". Choose
Edit/Paste. If more space needed, answer yes. Edit the picture, then Save As
it, then print, or....
bh
> John,
> If you have Windows you should be able to hit the
> "Print Screen" key and whatever is on your screen will
> be on the Windows clipboard. From there, you can use
> any program that will let you "paste".
> With Internet Explorer, I tried to "select all" and
> then "paste" but I only got the outline of the panel.
> All of the instruments that you drag onto the panel
> are separate pictures. You can save those individually
> though by right clicking and "save as".
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/03 11:53:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
Has the demon in your computer send you back in time again, Torgeir? Or did
you
really posted this on January the first, 1997? :-)
Remember, he lives so far north there are actually less days as the sun
doesn't rise very often this time of the year!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp WAS: Wath kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Michel Verheughe wrote:
> Has the demon in your computer send you back in time again, Torgeir? Or did you
> really posted this on January the first, 1997? :-)
> (I know, I know, your backup battery!)
Yes, sorry for this late answer - in the other way I've responded long
time before the question was asked.. hirr, hirr...
Hmm, I lost that (nn) little battery some where :( :( ..
Torgeir.
Do not archive!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Michel:
Received my plans yesterday. Beautiful model by the looks of them. But I'm
wondering if I can impose on you to see if the kit has any details on
building, as I have a lot of unanswered building questions after studying
the plans closely last night. Typically kits include a sheet of
instructions that sometimes also have a few drawings or photographs to aid
in building. And I'm sure others will have the same questions. I would
think if there are details on building it could probably be e-mailed, as
they are typically just standard sized pages.
I really do appreciate all you've done to get these copies for us. It was a
wonderful gesture for you to share your plans with all of us.
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF plans
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo"
<michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
>
>
> Just to confiirm that the plans were sent from NY Nov the 25th.
> Sorry for the delay, as I had to wait for a friend travelling into US to
> avoid more than expected shipping fees from Spain.
> And please, you guys that have ordered plans and have not payed for them,
> think about that I dont need so many ones and I have already payed for the
> copies just to help you.
> Best regards, Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Gang!
Just thought I'd let you know I posted that article about running with no
fuel pump from an old Avid Newsletter on Sportflight.com in the "text and
articles section". I know there are probably reasons why it shouldn't work,
but I thknk the article may make it clearer for you. Btw - John Larsen who
worked for both Avid and Kitfox at one time, and now writes engine articles
for Kitplanes was the passenger in the airplane. He is available via e-mail
I believe if someone needs to verify any of it.
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Fuel pumps
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Michel
>
> I have spoken with many Rotax engine repair people and they have all told
me
> that they have never seen a failed Rotax pulse pump. I just have the one
> pump and there were recent postings on the list stating that the 582 will
> continue to run on a gravity supply should the diaphragm fail (albeit at a
> lower power setting).
>
> Just about everybody I know that runs a 2 strike Rotax only has the single
> pump.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I needed to have my wing covers modified so I took a short flight this
morning from the grass strip near home to a small place called Sturgeon
Falls (approx 65 Miles). Our strip had about 2 inches of snow and I am still
on wheels so I called ahead and had the owner of the Sturgeon falls strip
check the conditions. He called back and said there would be no problem.
Local temp was -12 deg C.
I called for a weather briefing and was told fine VFR with risk of snow
squalls. Trip down took about 30 mins at 95mph indicated and 120 mph ground
speed. Perfect conditions with not even a bump.
I added flap and flared for my landing but when I touched down there was a
huge amount of drag and my trusty little fox stood up on the mains. I had a
very good view of the snow packed strip through my windscreen - but the
angle was all wrong! I goosed the throttle and hauled back on the stick so
hard I almost did myself an injury, the tips of my prop must have been about
1" from the snow. Finally the tail came down and I exited rather nervously
and when I looked back at my landing roll from touchdown to stop it was
about 80ft !!!!!! So much for the careful strip inspection those guys
carried out - when I checked there was 5" Snow on top of about 3" of grass
????
Before taking off we dragged a log of timber up and down the strip to remove
some of the snow and as the wind had also picked up I was able safely effect
a soft field take off.
This trip however wasn't over with me yet as the winds at 2,000ft AGL were
now right on the nose at 45mph. Strong but incredibly smooth - My ETE went
from 30 Mins to 1 hour and 5 minutes and the ceiling had now turned to snow
squalls and they were steadily dropping. About mid-way I was down to 800 ft
AGL and there were three large towers right in that vicinity, I could still
see the ground but forward visibility was miserable. I called the Sudbury
tower (30 mile away) and they were reporting good VFR conditions - then he
said "oh a snow squall went through about 15 minutes ago which reduced
visibility to minimums that must be where you are now!" I tended to agree
with him.
After about 5 minutes of tense flying I broke out into clear blue skies and
was able to ascend to 3,000 ft, I could actually make out my landing spot in
the distance but at a ground speed of 44 mph now it still took quite some
time to get safely back on the ground. I joked with friend who has a
Challenger that it would have taken him 4 hours to make that flight so he
would have been forced to make a couple of gas stops - all for a 65 mile
Anyway
Safe and warm now thanks to a great plane
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, that's about right Jay. I've made mine so they are easy to remove and only
intend to use them for long dist flights and good surfaces.
From: "Jay Beverly Carter" <VALLEY361@CENTURYTEL.NET>
Subject: Kitfox-List: S6Wheel Pants
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Beverly Carter" <VALLEY361@CENTURYTEL.NET>
Question for anyone that has completed this installation. Looking
at the Skystar instructions it appears that with a fully inflated tire
there would be about 3" between the low point of the pant and
ground. Does not seem adequate.
Thanks,Jay C.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Good save..ride em cowboy yee haw! Glad you pulled it off. A memorable
flight that will go in you book of ten.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Algate
Subject: Kitfox-List: Short flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I needed to have my wing covers modified so I took a short .............
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| Subject: | Re: What kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Burke <jeburke@direcway.com>
First of all I want to apologize to the Kitfox list, I had no idea that this
spam stopper would cause undue stress on the people of the Kitfox list and
certainly had no idea it would track every user on an individual basis. I am
truly sorry for the unconvinced. Paul is exactly right about this being a
method of trying to stop spam e-mail. Spam has become such a problem that a
guy will try about any service to get it stopped. Matronics.com does the
same thing for the group as Vetomail does for me and it's users. I have
verified my e-mail address many, many times to help stamp out SPAM. Again I
am truly sorry for any inconvenience I have caused.
James E. Burke
N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What kind of message is this??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E."
<paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 08:56, Don Pearsall wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
> >
> > It is obviously some of automated response to control spam.
>
> That's exactly what it is. The way it works is he doesn't accept mail
> without a valid return address and someone that answers. So the first
> time someone sends mail to his address it bounces with the message
> you've seen, then when you reply it should go through. The problem is
> this process is not too good for mail lists because everyone on the list
> gets the stupid bounce message. If they reply directly then his mailer
> looks at it like another new person (not coming from the KF list this
> time) and bounces it again.
>
> There is only one proper solution. Unsubscribe this user. He can't use
> such a scheme on a mail list.
>
> > Mr. jeburke may
> > not know that he sent it. However, until jeburke comes on the list and
> > explains it, I would not respond to it.
>
> I've explained it and now you know that responding will trigger one more
> bounce.
>
> > It could be some sort of email
> > address collection scheme.
>
> Whether it is or is not, please unsubscribe this guy.
>
> > I am always suspicious of this sort of email
> > control. If you do respond to it as it requests, then the email
collector
> > will know for sure it has a valid email address and could send you spam.
>
> Don't waste another second on this Don, kill that sub.
>
>
> --
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> (425)641-8202 voice | Bellevue, WA 98005
> (425)641-1773 fax | <mailto:paul@eucleides.com>
> GnuPG Public Key - <http://eucleides.com/pgpkey.asc>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Paul Seehafer wrote
> Just thought I'd let you know I posted that article about running with no
> fuel pump from an old Avid Newsletter on Sportflight.com in the "text and
> articles section".
Hi Paul,
Thanks for this info, never seen this before.
Another interesting story from the "real" experimental time of the
Avid/Kitfox story.
Hmm. Didn't Bruce H. trying out some ground run without the "pulse"
pump?
Also, this test was not "to" the "better".
OK. You trigged something I've been thinking about for some time.
Here is the story.
Two months ago a new aircraft was added to "our" G.A. fleet, this is at
the place where I'm living, Tromso in Norway. This new airplane is a
Russian built airframe - made up in Germany, the result is a magnificent
aircraft.
This is the "CT2K", here is a direct link:
http://www.ct2k.de/photos.htm
Well, as I looked at this plane I noticed this special kind of "pitot
tube" made to pressurize the tank during flight. This device is quite
clever, it will amplify the pressure as well keep water out from
entering the tank!
I have never seen this kind of approach before, but it's so simple an
smart. You cant see this detail at any of the photos, so I've made a
little drawing in Autocad - just for the principal.
Maybe you folks have seen this thing before??
This might be something for us to test out.
My "experiment" drawing can be found here:
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1070496674
PS: Made a drawing of the old cap and the "new" cap, one looking into
the "tubes" and one side view.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Short flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Gary wrote
> I added flap and flared for my landing but when I touched down there was a
> huge amount of drag and my trusty little fox stood up on the mains. I had
a
> very good view of the snow packed strip through my windscreen - but the
> angle was all wrong! I goosed the throttle and hauled back on the stick so
> hard I almost did myself an injury, the tips of my prop must have been
about
> 1" from the snow. Finally the tail came down and I exited rather nervously
> and when I looked back at my landing roll from touchdown to stop it was
> about 80ft !!!!!! So much for the careful strip inspection those guys
> carried out - when I checked there was 5" Snow on top of about 3" of grass
> ????
Gary,
Was this a wet snow? Here along the front range (east of Rockies) Colorado
the snow never stays on the ground long enough for skis, so after a snow we
just go play in the snow with tires. The snow definitely grabs and shortens
the landing roll, as well as lengthening the takeoff roll. But up to about
6", there's no real problem. In the winter the snow is real dry and powdery
and poses no real problems. In the spring is can be really wet. I can see
how that snow could be dangerous. Anyway, just curious about your snow,
because we really like playing in it.
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
It seems to me that the 2 1/2 float pressure is 0 to +2 1/2 lbs. This means that
if you over pressure the carbs they will flood. It does not take 2 1/2 lbs to
make it work. Clint
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
James
I was virtually paralysed with spam coming into my inbox at a rate of 10 or
20 a day. Without sounding like a commercial, do an Google search on
"Cloudmark". It is a "cooperative" spam stopper where everyone using it
"shares" spam killing responsibility. I've tried many other spam
stoppers...this one works invisibly, with almost no involvement from me, and
without changing the way I normally use my email.
SteveZ
Calgary
Kitfox 4/NSI/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Burke
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: What kind of message is this??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Burke <jeburke@direcway.com>
First of all I want to apologize to the Kitfox list, I had no idea that this
spam stopper would cause undue stress on the people of the Kitfox list and
certainly had no idea it would track every user on an individual basis. I am
truly sorry for the unconvinced. Paul is exactly right about this being a
method of trying to stop spam e-mail. Spam has become such a problem that a
guy will try about any service to get it stopped. Matronics.com does the
same thing for the group as Vetomail does for me and it's users. I have
verified my e-mail address many, many times to help stamp out SPAM. Again I
am truly sorry for any inconvenience I have caused.
James E. Burke
N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What kind of message is this??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E."
<paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 08:56, Don Pearsall wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
> >
> > It is obviously some of automated response to control spam.
>
> That's exactly what it is. The way it works is he doesn't accept mail
> without a valid return address and someone that answers. So the first
> time someone sends mail to his address it bounces with the message
> you've seen, then when you reply it should go through. The problem is
> this process is not too good for mail lists because everyone on the list
> gets the stupid bounce message. If they reply directly then his mailer
> looks at it like another new person (not coming from the KF list this
> time) and bounces it again.
>
> There is only one proper solution. Unsubscribe this user. He can't use
> such a scheme on a mail list.
>
> > Mr. jeburke may
> > not know that he sent it. However, until jeburke comes on the list and
> > explains it, I would not respond to it.
>
> I've explained it and now you know that responding will trigger one more
> bounce.
>
> > It could be some sort of email
> > address collection scheme.
>
> Whether it is or is not, please unsubscribe this guy.
>
> > I am always suspicious of this sort of email
> > control. If you do respond to it as it requests, then the email
collector
> > will know for sure it has a valid email address and could send you spam.
>
> Don't waste another second on this Don, kill that sub.
>
>
> --
> PAF Consulting Engineers | 427 - 140th Ave NE
> (425)641-8202 voice | Bellevue, WA 98005
> (425)641-1773 fax | <mailto:paul@eucleides.com>
> GnuPG Public Key - <http://eucleides.com/pgpkey.asc>
>
>
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| Subject: | Moving airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I believe there was a thread about long distance moving of airplanes a while back...
Does anybody have a name of a company or person who would move an airplane
project from Me. to Kentucky.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@c-magic.com
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing engine mount isolator bushings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 12/2/2003 8:50:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
taildragon@msn.com writes:
Owners who have replaced 912 engine mount isolator bushings,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
This is going to be somewhat difficult to nail down as many of us have
varying accessories or may have chosen different locations for them.
Nothing to add.
Good luck.
Bill W
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Michel, the pump may not fail mechanically, but there is at least one NTSB
report of a forced landing because the pulse line failed. So there is a
failure mode with the pump. I am surprised that your tech sources were not
aware of this.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Fuel pumps
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Michel
>
> I have spoken with many Rotax engine repair people and they have all told
me
> that they have never seen a failed Rotax pulse pump. I just have the one
> pump and there were recent postings on the list stating that the 582 will
> continue to run on a gravity supply should the diaphragm fail (albeit at a
> lower power setting).
>
> Just about everybody I know that runs a 2 strike Rotax only has the single
> pump.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Torgeir,
This is very interesting. I assume that it is make from a larger pipe -
That a view from the top would look round - and this larger pipe has a
flat end welded into it and then cut off on a diagonal. What is the
approximate diameter of the larger pipe?
Do you have an estimate of how much it would amplify normal pitot
pressure? (I am still wrestling with under standing how it would work.
If it ever rained around here, the protection from rain would be of more
interest to me. ;-)
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> Paul Seehafer wrote
> Just thought I'd let you know I posted that article about running with
no
> fuel pump from an old Avid Newsletter on Sportflight.com in the "text
and
> articles section".
Hi Paul,
Thanks for this info, never seen this before.
Another interesting story from the "real" experimental time of the
Avid/Kitfox story.
Hmm. Didn't Bruce H. trying out some ground run without the "pulse"
pump?
Also, this test was not "to" the "better".
OK. You trigged something I've been thinking about for some time.
Here is the story.
Two months ago a new aircraft was added to "our" G.A. fleet, this is at
the place where I'm living, Tromso in Norway. This new airplane is a
Russian built airframe - made up in Germany, the result is a magnificent
aircraft.
This is the "CT2K", here is a direct link:
http://www.ct2k.de/photos.htm
Well, as I looked at this plane I noticed this special kind of "pitot
tube" made to pressurize the tank during flight. This device is quite
clever, it will amplify the pressure as well keep water out from
entering the tank!
I have never seen this kind of approach before, but it's so simple an
smart. You cant see this detail at any of the photos, so I've made a
little drawing in Autocad - just for the principal.
Maybe you folks have seen this thing before??
This might be something for us to test out.
My "experiment" drawing can be found here:
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1070496
674
PS: Made a drawing of the old cap and the "new" cap, one looking into
the "tubes" and one side view.
Torgeir.
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I had a Minimax 1100R With a Rotax 377 two-stroke engine and a Mikuni pulse
pump. In all the ultralights I've seen, te Mikuni is by far the most
commonly used pulse pump. Some people put other pumps in series or parallel
with them. I had a fuel squeeze bulb in series with mine, that I used to
make sure the carb bowl was full before trying to start the engine.
Was flying a 7,000 feet over hills and forest, when the engine died. Not a
good feeling. Throttle didn't help, ignition seemed OK. reached under the
panel and squeezed the bulb, and the engine came back to life immediately.
Made the rest of the trip squeezing the bulb.
Later I found that the pulse line wouln't hold vacuum when I disconnected it
from the engine and sucked on it, applying vacuum to the pump. The line
itself was OK, no holes or cracks. Got a new pump and sucked o it, it held
vacuum fine. Replaced the pump and lived happily ever after.
Pulse pumps do fail occasionally. Mine probably had a hole in the diaphragm.
You described a "Rotax pulse pump" - did you mean one made by Rotax? I've
never seen one, though I don't have vast experience with these. Or did you
mean, a pulse pump used with a Rotax engine? If so, I know there are lots of
Mikunis out there of various designs, and maybe other makes too.
BTW, the squeeze bulb I had, failed itself about a month later, on the
ground fortunately. I found gasoline pouring out of a hole in it. It was a
cheap one made in Taiwan, purchased from Aircraft Spruce. Do not, repeat
not, ever put one of those in an aircraft. I later got one from Calif Power
Systems (CPS), which they advertised as "Made in America". It turned out to
be larger and heavier, I would trust that one much more than the Taiwanese
ones from Aircraft Spruce.
Some people don't like those squeeze bulbs. Maybe because they fail - I
wonder if just the cheapies from Taiwan fail (as mine eventually did), or if
all do. I do know that a fuel bulb saved my rear end that day over those
snowy forests - they are uncomplicated and handy.
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine, Purolator electric fuel pump, zero
problems so far
San Diego, CA
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Fuel pumps
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:07:05 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>Michel, the pump may not fail mechanically, but there is at least one NTSB
>report of a forced landing because the pulse line failed. So there is a
>failure mode with the pump. I am surprised that your tech sources were not
>aware of this.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Fuel pumps
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > I have spoken with many Rotax engine repair people and they have all
>told
>me
> > that they have never seen a failed Rotax pulse pump. I just have the one
> > pump and there were recent postings on the list stating that the 582
>will
> > continue to run on a gravity supply should the diaphragm fail (albeit at
>a
> > lower power setting).
> >
> > Just about everybody I know that runs a 2 strike Rotax only has the
>single
> > pump.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gary Algate
> > Lite2/582
> >
> >
>
>
Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays.
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| Subject: | What kind of message is this?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Thanks for the explanation, Jim. We were not sure if the messages were
legitimatly from you or from a spammer trying to grab email addresses. I
want spam to stop too, but I think this is like an arms race. As soon as the
newest and greatest spam protection comes out, the spammers will develop a
way to defeat it. And as you saw, some of the "cures" cause more problems
than the spam does.
Don
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