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1. 07:33 AM - Fuel Tank "pitot" (cnichols)
2. 08:57 AM - Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps (Bruce Harrington)
3. 09:49 AM - Re: Fiberglass repair (Mike Chaney)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: Short flight (Gary Algate)
5. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Gary Algate)
6. 11:25 AM - Re: Fiberglass repair (John Balunda)
7. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 11:45 AM - Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
9. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
10. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Gary Algate)
11. 12:16 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Torgeir Mortensen)
12. 12:39 PM - Re: Short flight (Torgeir Mortensen)
13. 12:55 PM - Re: Short flight (Gary Algate)
14. 01:26 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Scott McClintock)
15. 02:07 PM - Re: Short flight (Michel Verheughe)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: Fuel flow indicator system (Torgeir Mortensen)
17. 02:56 PM - Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps (Torgeir Mortensen)
18. 03:02 PM - Warp Drive Prop repair (Scott McClintock)
19. 03:11 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (Torgeir Mortensen)
20. 03:21 PM - Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps (Torgeir Mortensen)
21. 03:41 PM - Re: Short flight (Torgeir Mortensen)
22. 04:08 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop repair (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
23. 04:10 PM - Re: Short flight (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
24. 04:14 PM - Modified Fuel Pitot (Steve Zakreski)
25. 04:18 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
26. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (Torgeir Mortensen)
27. 04:51 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Steve M)
28. 05:08 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" size (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
29. 05:11 PM - Re: Fiberglass repair (Lowell Fitt)
30. 05:17 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop repair (Rick)
31. 05:17 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Ted Palamarek)
32. 05:20 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (John E. King)
33. 05:29 PM - Re: Modified Fuel Pitot (Torgeir Mortensen)
34. 06:30 PM - SKIS (gene m. calkins)
35. 06:40 PM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
36. 06:55 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
37. 07:22 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop repair (kitfoxpilot@att.net)
38. 07:49 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Shane Sather)
39. 08:19 PM - Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
40. 08:56 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (jimshumaker)
41. 09:16 PM - Now Prop info needed (Bruce Harrington)
42. 09:24 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - (Jeff Smathers)
43. 09:33 PM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Rick)
44. 10:09 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (R & L Ainsworth)
45. 11:14 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank "pitot" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Torgeir:
Your comment regarding the fuel cap on the CT2K raises a point I had been wondering
about. How likely am I to get water in my fuel tank when flying my Model
IV in the rain with the present setup? Unless there is some aerodynamic principle
I'm ignorant of, it seems almost inevitable that at least a small amount
of water would make its way into the tube and thus the tank. Thanks for your
response.
Clem Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Torgeir,
Not me! I did try flying the 582 without the sieve sleeves.
Second or third flight ended as a glider and more engine repair!
bh
> Hmm. Didn't Bruce H. trying out some ground run without the "pulse"
> pump?
> snip
> Torgeir.
>
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| Subject: | Fiberglass repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
If I wanted to make a new cowling using my old cowling as a mold or cast
where would I find some good reference material?
Mike Chaney
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Algate
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass repair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I had to do some Fibreglass repairs to my Cowl as I had some cracking in the
bottom. I used Polyester resin and glass and it has bonded perfectly. No
problems after 12 mths of flying.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Wwillyard@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass repair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 12/1/2003 5:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com writes:
Hello list members,
Three weeks ago I had a ground loop and some things
got damaged. I have to repair the wing tip and the
cowling bottom. Does somebody know if the fiber glass
in those elements are made with epoxic or acrylic
resin?
Thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza
I tried to fill external pits on the '94 vintage fuel tanks on my Classic IV
with some polyester resin given to me, it would not cure, indicating that
the
tanks were made of epoxy resin. As a result I have used epoxy on the
remaining fiberglass components with no problem.
Bill Willyard
Classic IV, 912
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Hi Cliff,
The snow was relatively dry but I think the fact that there was long grass
under it added to the problem - I also often land on snow and ice during the
winter transition but I am also normally landing directly into the wind in
most instances giving good elevator control. This time I had a 90 degree
cross wind so I lost a lot of control authority and I think this added to
the problems.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>
Gary,
Was this a wet snow? Here along the front range (east of Rockies) Colorado
the snow never stays on the ground long enough for skis, so after a snow we
just go play in the snow with tires. The snow definitely grabs and shortens
the landing roll, as well as lengthening the takeoff roll. But up to about
6", there's no real problem. In the winter the snow is real dry and powdery
and poses no real problems. In the spring is can be really wet. I can see
how that snow could be dangerous. Anyway, just curious about your snow,
because we really like playing in it. Cliff
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Steve
I also use a fuel bulb as the primer line between the wing tank and the
front panel tank. I use it to initiate flow as it doesn't always start
automatically.
I haven't had a failure as yet and I like the simplicity of the system.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>
Some people don't like those squeeze bulbs. Maybe because they fail - I
wonder if just the cheapies from Taiwan fail (as mine eventually did), or if
all do. I do know that a fuel bulb saved my rear end that day over those
snowy forests - they are uncomplicated and handy.
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine, Purolator electric fuel pump, zero
problems so far
San Diego, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Balunda" <JohnCA58@pacbell.net>
Mike , the best place to get the material and info on doing the job is TAP
Plastic.
http://www.tapplastics.com/
They have everything you will need.
John
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/03 9:10:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
> > that they have never seen a failed Rotax pulse pump. I just have the one
> > pump and there were recent postings on the list stating that the 582 will
> > continue to run on a gravity supply should the diaphragm fail (albeit at a
> > lower power setting).
> >
>
Gary,
If the diaphragm fails or splits, raw fuel will feed through the pulse
line and into the bottom of the engine. It won't run long that way.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/03 7:27:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
torgemor@online.no writes:
>
> Hmm. Didn't Bruce H. trying out some ground run without the "pulse"
> pump?
>
> Also, this test was not "to" the "better".
>
I think it was JR that tried running with no pump.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/03 9:10:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
> Michel, the pump may not fail mechanically, but there is at least one NTSB
> report of a forced landing because the pulse line failed.
Didn't we get a report on the list about that accident? Seem it was a man
and his wife onboard and he ended up in a ravine. I seem to remember that he
hadn't changed the pulse line for a very long time. Mine gets changed at each
condition inspection just because of that one report.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I guess you're right on that Don. I hadn't thought through the ramifications
of a failed diaphragm
Gary
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>
Gary,
If the diaphragm fails or splits, raw fuel will feed through the pulse
line and into the bottom of the engine. It won't run long that way.
Don Smythe
<<<
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Or did you really posted this on January the first, 1997? :-)
> Remember, he lives so far north there are actually less days as the sun
> doesn't rise very often this time of the year!
>
Right, you'll know- most people is sleeping now, cause I'm the "B" type
of kind, never into the bed before Christmas.
In May, the "long" day start and it will last until last half of
July..
Then, the whole thing start over again.. :) ..
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Short flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Gary Algate wrote:
> I had a very good view of the snow packed strip through my windscreen - but the
> angle was all wrong! I goosed the throttle and hauled back on the stick so
> Safe and warm now thanks to a great plane
It's interesting to read such a report from a Kitfox pilot, this, as we
know the "excitement"- and can follow the flight minute by minute.
Thanks
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Torgeir
In this instance I would prefer to leave the excitement to others
Gary
It's interesting to read such a report from a Kitfox pilot, this, as we know
the "excitement"- and can follow the flight minute by minute.
Thanks
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Torgeir,
Most of these guys who live in the "sun belt" just don't have a clue what
that's all about!
I DO!
Drop me a line, would love to compare notes and information.
-Scott McClintock, SeriesV "Arctic Fox" based in Nome, Alaska
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> > Or did you really posted this on January the first, 1997? :-)
> > Remember, he lives so far north there are actually less days as the sun
> > doesn't rise very often this time of the year!
> >
>
> Right, you'll know- most people is sleeping now, cause I'm the "B" type
> of kind, never into the bed before Christmas.
>
> In May, the "long" day start and it will last until last half of
> July..
>
> Then, the whole thing start over again.. :) ..
>
> Torgeir.
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Short flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Gary Algate wrote:
> I added flap and flared for my landing but when I touched down there was a
> huge amount of drag and my trusty little fox stood up on the mains.
Thank you for telling us your experience, Gary. Glad you made it well.
I am currently considering winter flights here in South Norway. This has been
an exceptionally mild autumn and we still have no snow but it will come soon.
I have skis for my model 3 that I haven't tried them yet. I don't know what to
do because I need to remove the wheel to mount the skis. Not sure what I will
do with the brake fluid lines. Purge them or plug them.
I wish I had skis I could mount on the side of the wheels. Because, where I fly
from, they clean the snow when it comes. I could fly only on wheels but then I
can't land elsewhere. When Easter comes, the snow is often gone where I live,
near the coast. But the mountains are then beautiful and I wish I could fly
from "dry" to snow.
Isn't there a way to built skis on the side of the wheels? Anyone with
knowledge of that?
Another thing is that I don't have a tailwheel ski. Probably not a big problem
to make myself but if anyone knows of an existing one that can be mounted on a
Maule tailwheel, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Clint Bazzill wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
>
> It seems to me that the 2 1/2 float pressure is 0 to +2 1/2 lbs. This means that
if you over pressure the carbs they > will flood. It does not take 2 1/2 lbs
to make it work. Clint
Of cause agree here, but in my manual the minimum required fuel pressure
is 2.9 psi (max. is 7.3). OK. 2.9 psi. is equal to 0.2 bar, that mean 2
m (6.6 feet) of water pressure, not that much. However, this "low"
pressure "warrant" the engine to get enough fuel during "normal" flight
attitude (including high nose).
Here, Rotax has made requirement to avoid carb. Flooding due to high
pressure (here the limit is more, or equal to 7.3 psi fuel pressure, a
higher press here prob. open the float valve and start flooding).
At the low end of fuel pressure req. (2.9 psi), they have to make sure
to supply the engine with enough fuel at high attitude differences (fuel
in the low position). However, the physical size of the valve must be
smaller at higher pressure. The latter is to keep level accuracy in the
bowl, which is very important for engine mixture.
So, if we like to change the "float valve" and fuel pressure
requirement, a pressure analyze with the new float valve must be carried
out. One check for the "high nose" attitude. Will a fully powered engine
get sufficient fuel in this attitude? Second, will a low nose attitude
flood the engine (max difference is now with fuel at the high point,
also to remember - full tank here). Again, the "proper" stable fuel
level in the bowl, must be kept to avoid mixture problem.
My goal is that: finding a way to improve this fuel system - so that one
fail is acceptable and the engine still run. Kind of difficult task..
Actually, impossible -in single engine A/C
You know, in the Rotax maintenance manual at ch. 10.2) Fuel systems:
Fuel system problems probably account for the majority of microlight
engine failures.
And so on...
There is also a word of wisdom: Prevention is better than cure!
So in the meantime, keep to the maintenance schedule.
Sorry for this long-winded..
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Randy,
> This is very interesting. I assume that it is make from a larger pipe -
> That a view from the top would look round - and this larger pipe has a
> flat end welded into it and then cut off on a diagonal.
That right. The cut is angled about 45 degree.
> What is the approximate diameter of the larger pipe?
The diameter is approx. (1/2 - 7/8)" and the pipe height approx. 7/8".
> Do you have an estimate of how much it would amplify normal pitot
> pressure? (I am still wrestling with under standing how it would work.
Have not done any calculation here yet, but may some later - much, to
much work now.
> If it ever rained around here, the protection from rain would be of more
> interest to me. ;-)
Yes, I'll also think this is the most obvious improvement.
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Prop repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
During my last flight, I must have picked up a rock or ? and "dinged"
one of the blades of my warp drive prop.
Unfortunately, the "ding" perforated the stainless leading edge. It is
not very big and I think it's repairable. Does any body have any
suggestions?
Scott McClintock
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Clem,
>cnichols wrote:
>Your comment regarding the fuel cap on the CT2K raises a point I had been wondering
about. How likely am I to get >water in my fuel tank when flying my Model
IV in the rain with the present setup? Unless there is some aerodynamic >principle
I'm ignorant of, it seems almost inevitable that at least a small amount
of water would make its way into >the tube and thus the tank.
With little rain there really nothing to worry about, but in heavy rain
water will enter through the tank "pitot tubes". This is just the same
as we sometimes can see in our airspeed system, the pitot lines. In
those certed. A/C's there is drain collectors around at certain low
points. This is varying from type to type.
It's not that easy to estimate how much water there will be, but
sometimes there can be a few centi liters.
So, the day by day draining is in place.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Bruce and Don S.,
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
> Not me! I did try flying the 582 without the sieve sleeves.
> Second or third flight ended as a glider and more engine repair!
>
> bh
Yes, remember it now, Don S. have solved "equation".. :) .. and the
answer is JR.
Thanks, both of you.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Short flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Gary Algate wrote:
> In this instance I would prefer to leave the excitement to others
Sorry, my word was really not meant to offend you, just tried to say
that your experience may help others to avoid such thing.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Scott,
Have you called Warp Drive? I had a booth next to them a few years ago at
OSH or SnF, great guys, and I'm sure they would give you an honest answer. Props
aren't for messing with!
Elbie
EM aviation
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| Subject: | Re: Short flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
As we have said for years~~ Hour after hour of boredom~~with a few seconds of
sheer panic :-) Well not quite, but it does get the heart going above normal
RPM!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Modified Fuel Pitot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Randy/Torgier...
Maybe I'm not reading the drawing correctly, but it looks to me like a
device which gives a larger effective frontal area to the fuel vent inlet.
If this is the case, anyone who has studied fluid mechanics will tell you
the affect will be virtually zero. This is one of interesting discoveries
taught to students. The pressure seen by a pitot tube, which is what this
is, is a function of the air velocity only, and the area of the opening has
no bearing. ie; a funnel placed on the end of a pitot tube has no effect on
the pressure it reads.
Now those Germans and Russians are damn smart people, so maybe I'm just not
understanding the drawing correctly.
...also, I suppose this isn't EXACTLY a pitot tube because there is a small
amount of air movement through the tube as fuel gets consumed and air
replaces the lost volume, unlike a pitot which just transfers pressure. But
I can't see how even that would change the outcome significantly.
Interesting... this is where Paul Franz usually jumps in... ;-)
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Pitot head. was: Fuel pumps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Randy,
> This is very interesting. I assume that it is make from a larger pipe -
> That a view from the top would look round - and this larger pipe has a
> flat end welded into it and then cut off on a diagonal.
That right. The cut is angled about 45 degree.
> What is the approximate diameter of the larger pipe?
The diameter is approx. (1/2 - 7/8)" and the pipe height approx. 7/8".
> Do you have an estimate of how much it would amplify normal pitot
> pressure? (I am still wrestling with under standing how it would work.
Have not done any calculation here yet, but may some later - much, to
much work now.
> If it ever rained around here, the protection from rain would be of more
> interest to me. ;-)
Yes, I'll also think this is the most obvious improvement.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
So, the day by day draining is in place.
Draining the fuel sumps should be done every day condensation will probably
be more of a problem that the water entering through the vent tube. I flew
lots of old certified aircraft that had the same type of tube and we didn't even
consider the water entering the tank when flying in rain, However if a
student wouldn't have drained the sumps he would not have been my student much
longer if it continued! My plane is in a large partially heated hangar, has no
tubes pointing into the rain, but I still drain all sumps first flight every day!
Safety is no Accident
Elbie
Old (not bold) CFI
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Steve M wrote:
> You described a "Rotax pulse pump" - did you mean one made by Rotax? I've
> never seen one, though I don't have vast experience with these. Or did you
> mean, a pulse pump used with a Rotax engine? If so, I know there are lots of
> Mikunis out there of various designs, and maybe other makes too.
In my first exp. with the Rotax I thought the fuel pump was "license"
made for the Rotax engines. However, later I learned that this pump was
really made by Mikuni. In my Rotax overhaul manual, this pump is
present, in the parts catalogue it also have a Rotax P/N., but in the
description a Mikuni P/N.
A little confusing.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Ditto. After spending 2-1/2 years at Thule Air Base in northern Greenland, I
can appreciate well a sun that never sets... or sometimes never rises!
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
Sunny San Diego, CA
>From: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Timewarp
>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:24:49 -0900
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
><scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
>Torgeir,
>Most of these guys who live in the "sun belt" just don't have a clue what
>that's all about!
>I DO!
>Drop me a line, would love to compare notes and information.
>-Scott McClintock, SeriesV "Arctic Fox" based in Nome, Alaska
>
>Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
><torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > > Or did you really posted this on January the first, 1997? :-)
> > > Remember, he lives so far north there are actually less days as the
>sun
> > > doesn't rise very often this time of the year!
> > >
> >
> > Right, you'll know- most people is sleeping now, cause I'm the "B" type
> > of kind, never into the bed before Christmas.
> >
> > In May, the "long" day start and it will last until last half of
> > July..
> >
> > Then, the whole thing start over again.. :) ..
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
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connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" size |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
I don't believe the size of the tube has much to do with the pressure
generated, look at the size pitot holes in the Piper Cherokee and the tube used
on
the Cessna 150/152. Both will operate the exact same airspeed the same way. My
old '46 Funk airplane has a Pitot tube lots larger than the Cessnas, yet all
from the 2 little holes about the size of a pencil lead on the Cherokee to the
large tube will all give the same airspeed reading.
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Mike, Check the following and click on the PVA mold release link. It will
help in that area.
http://www.tapplastics.com/info/bulletins.php?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chaney" <mdps_mc@swoca.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass repair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
> If I wanted to make a new cowling using my old cowling as a mold or cast
> where would I find some good reference material?
>
> Mike Chaney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Algate
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass repair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I had to do some Fibreglass repairs to my Cowl as I had some cracking in
the
> bottom. I used Polyester resin and glass and it has bonded perfectly. No
> problems after 12 mths of flying.
>
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Wwillyard@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass repair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2003 5:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com writes:
> Hello list members,
>
> Three weeks ago I had a ground loop and some things
> got damaged. I have to repair the wing tip and the
> cowling bottom. Does somebody know if the fiber glass
> in those elements are made with epoxic or acrylic
> resin?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Francisco Icaza
> I tried to fill external pits on the '94 vintage fuel tanks on my Classic
IV
>
> with some polyester resin given to me, it would not cure, indicating that
> the
> tanks were made of epoxy resin. As a result I have used epoxy on the
> remaining fiberglass components with no problem.
>
> Bill Willyard
> Classic IV, 912
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
The leading edge if so opted is a nickel alloy. You can mix epoxy with
micros, fill and sand to match. This, providing it is not so sever it
cracked the or loosened the edge bond. I called them on it and yes great
folks. They will answer all you question I am sure.
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Torgeir and Scott
Yup -- sure know what that's all about after spending many
years in Alaska and the Canadian Arctic as high up as
Ellesmere Island just off the northern tip of Greenland. I'd
like to make a trip up there with my Kitfox one day. It
could be done as there are many landing strips and good sand
bars that will easily handle a Kitfox. Fuel is readily
available except for the very high Arctic, Anyway --- that's
just a dream at this time. Do Not Archive
Ted P
Edmonton, Ab
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Timewarp
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Torgeir,
Most of these guys who live in the "sun belt" just don't
have a clue what
that's all about!
I DO!
Drop me a line, would love to compare notes and information.
-Scott McClintock, SeriesV "Arctic Fox" based in Nome,
Alaska
Torgeir Mortensen wrote: etc. etc.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Torgeir & Elbie,
You bring up an interesting point. I always check my fuel tank quick drains for
water, but I never have seen any water. That goes for the 800 hours on my Model
IV and 305 hours on my Series 6. I have flown both Kitfox's in rain, however
except for out of town trips they were hangared. I also keep my tank vents
covered when parked outside or in the hanger just to keep out bugs. I also
try and keep my tanks full. It is my guess that fiberglass tanks are not prone
to condensation as metal tanks. I base that only on my experience with the
Kitfox's. When I flew Cessna's early on I always found some water present in
the tanks.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
>So, the day by day draining is in place.
>Draining the fuel sumps should be done every day condensation will probably
>be more of a problem that the water entering through the vent tube. I flew
>lots of old certified aircraft that had the same type of tube and we didn't even
>consider the water entering the tank when flying in rain, However if a
>student wouldn't have drained the sumps he would not have been my student much
>longer if it continued! My plane is in a large partially heated hangar, has no
>tubes pointing into the rain, but I still drain all sumps first flight every day!
> Safety is no Accident
>Elbie
>Old (not bold) CFI
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Fuel Pitot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> SteveZ
> Maybe I'm not reading the drawing correctly, but it looks to me like a
> device which gives a larger effective frontal area to the fuel vent inlet.
> If this is the case, anyone who has studied fluid mechanics will tell you
> the affect will be virtually zero. This is one of interesting discoveries
> taught to students. The pressure seen by a pitot tube, which is what this
> is, is a function of the air velocity only, and the area of the opening has
> no bearing. ie; a funnel placed on the end of a pitot tube has no effect on
> the pressure it reads.
You are damn right, this is just a "leaking" front pressure plate, -and
there is no amplification here.
I was thinking about the dynamic "ventury effect", not the funnel.
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Michel I have some pictures of skis that the wheel protrudes through the skis.
you can have the best of both worlds . when I find the pictures I will post
them on sportflight.com and let you where they are. Gene N99GC series 6
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
kingjohn@erols.com writes:
I always check my fuel tank quick drains for water, but I never have seen any
water. That goes for the 800 hours on my Model IV and 305 hours on my Series
6. I have flown both Kitfox's in rain, however except for out of town trips
they were hangared.
John,
I bet your tanks are always filled after each flight also. If full you won't
get near as much condensation is my experience over the years. Also water
isn't the only thing you drain out, Hopefully you won't get any sediment, but do
you know how full the fuelers tank is? if near the bottom, or has just been
filled and the sediments are still up and around they are actually worse than
water in the fuel, as eventually will plug up filters to an extent.
Perhaps I'm an old dog who doesn't want to learn new tricks, but I will
continue to drain prior to first flight each day, seen to much junk in the fuel
sample tubes!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
I'll never forget my first trip to Alaska, more years ago than I will admit,
landed the 737 about 11 PM, went out had dinner, as we were walking back to
hotel was just past dusk, the street lights came on was about 1:30 AM or so.
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxpilot@att.net
I called Warp Drive, they told me to buy regular epoxy to make small repairs
to chips on prop.
Ray
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> During my last flight, I must have picked up a rock or ? and "dinged"
> one of the blades of my warp drive prop.
> Unfortunately, the "ding" perforated the stainless leading edge. It is
> not very big and I think it's repairable. Does any body have any
> suggestions?
> Scott McClintock
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
Well Guys here I sit in some of that very terran, on Victoria Island,
Cambridge Bay, Nunavut. And there is no sun right now, it went down end of
November and will not be around until end of the 2nd week in January.
My Light 2 is sitting in its hanger and will not be going anywhere for a
long time. It is just to darn cold.
I haven't had much chance to explore up here yet as I just flew up here this
fall from Edmonton, about 1200 miles on floats and had to get busy building
my hanger before the snow flew. But next spring hope to see a lot of
country.
Shane Light 2
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OT: Timewarp
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir and Scott
>
> Yup -- sure know what that's all about after spending many
> years in Alaska and the Canadian Arctic as high up as
> Ellesmere Island just off the northern tip of Greenland. I'd
> like to make a trip up there with my Kitfox one day. It
> could be done as there are many landing strips and good sand
> bars that will easily handle a Kitfox. Fuel is readily
> available except for the very high Arctic, Anyway --- that's
> just a dream at this time. Do Not Archive
>
> Ted P
> Edmonton, Ab
>
>
> <<<<SNIP>>>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Timewarp
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> Torgeir,
> Most of these guys who live in the "sun belt" just don't
> have a clue what
> that's all about!
> I DO!
> Drop me a line, would love to compare notes and information.
> -Scott McClintock, SeriesV "Arctic Fox" based in Nome,
> Alaska
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote: etc. etc.
>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now |
Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to be flying
much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right flaperon. By
that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were disintegrated by gasoline
that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps were deployed the spar rotated,
but apparently the strong wind forces on the surface of the flaperon prevented
it from rotating as much as the spar.
I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are protected
with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of the flaperon,
then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top & bottom skins
to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as intended.
HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all times
(not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this is caused
by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout should
be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans then go on to
say that actual flight should then determine if the washout should be fine tuned
to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now. This afternoon I
tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift. Because of the weather
I may not be able to test it for a couple of days, but I am now optimistic.
Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new 3-blade
prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various 3-blade props
on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather take advise
from those much more experienced.
Thanks,
Ron Carroll
KF3 - Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm -
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top &
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Ron,
3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But I stuck with
a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me a very good
deal quite a few years ago.
Cheers, bh
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various 3-blade
props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather take advise
from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Check with NSI in Arlington , Wa.
www.nsiaero.com ( website needs some work however! )
Jeff Smathers Molalla, Or. KF5
Ron Carroll wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to be flying
much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right flaperon. By
that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were disintegrated by gasoline
that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps were deployed the spar
rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on the surface of the flaperon
prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are protected
with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of the flaperon,
then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top & bottom skins
to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all times
(not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this is
caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout should
be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans then go on
to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout should be fine
tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now. This afternoon
I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift. Because of the
weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days, but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new 3-blade
prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various 3-blade props
on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather take advise
from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
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| Subject: | Now Prop info needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Give NSI a call. A new prop almost ready and reportly better efficiency than
the warp. Not sure what engine your running though.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Ron,
3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But I stuck
with
a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me a very
good
deal quite a few years ago.
Cheers, bh
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade
props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather take
advise
from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R & L Ainsworth" <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz>
Regarding the posts on Mikuni fuel pump failure modes.My personal experience
has shown another failure mode, apart from the pulse line failure and that
is an internal failure of the pump.
In June 97 I had taken a friend to look at his home and as we were climbing
away thru 700 feet the engine went from 6000 rpm to 5000 rpm for 2-3 second
and then stopped completely .Landed in paddock. No damage.
On inspection of engine found small hole in top of rear piston and rebuilt
top end of engine.
However when the Rotax run in procedure was tried the engine ran rough and
would not rev above aprox 4000 rpm.
After much fiddling/thinking the fuel pump was dis assembled and inspected
with no obvious fault.
Pump refitted with same result.
New pump fitted ,engine breakin completed, no problem.
Conclusions-----Don't count on your engine continuing to run if your pump
fails in this way.
As the engine leaned out it melted the rear piston.We don't have a primer
and I don't know if this would have helped anyway.
Regards
Russell Ainsworth Mod 4 582 New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As Jeff reminds
me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big difference
and I should have mentioned it before.
Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't believe I
said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only trying to
dip the right wing all of the time.
Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like size, and
exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining what worked.
This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on the bottom
of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would make it rise
more, but what do I know?
Thanks again,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
- Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm -
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top &
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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