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1. 12:06 AM - insurance price adjustment (charles b cook)
2. 12:13 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (kurt schrader)
3. 12:57 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (HereBostonTim@aol.com)
4. 01:17 AM - Re: SKIS (michel)
5. 04:27 AM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Bob Unternaehrer)
6. 05:46 AM - Re: Short flight (Gary Algate)
7. 05:49 AM - Re: Short flight (Gary Algate)
8. 06:02 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Gary Algate)
9. 06:22 AM - Re: insurance price adjustment (Roger McConnell)
10. 06:37 AM - Re: insurance price adjustment (JMCBEAN)
11. 06:42 AM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Floran Higgins)
12. 07:09 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
13. 07:12 AM - Re: Short flight (Jerry Liles)
14. 07:29 AM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
15. 07:39 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
16. 07:40 AM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (Lowell Fitt)
17. 07:45 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Lowell Fitt)
18. 07:54 AM - Fw: Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
19. 08:07 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Lowell Fitt)
20. 08:15 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - (Steve Zakreski)
21. 09:00 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' (Bruce Harrington)
22. 09:00 AM - Re: insurance price adjustment (kurt schrader)
23. 09:02 AM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (Jerry Liles)
24. 09:03 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
25. 09:03 AM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Bruce Harrington)
26. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Now Prop info needed (Bruce Harrington)
27. 09:38 AM - mechanical elevator trim (Lmar)
28. 10:55 AM - Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" (John E. King)
29. 11:00 AM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Scott McClintock)
30. 11:20 AM - Re: OT: Timewarp (John E. King)
31. 11:57 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop (Clint Bazzill)
32. 12:09 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
33. 12:11 PM - Re: OT: Timewarp (Scott McClintock)
34. 12:19 PM - Re: Short flight (Matt Keyes)
35. 12:19 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' (Ron Carroll)
36. 12:20 PM - Re: Warp Drive Prop repair (Scott McClintock)
37. 12:46 PM - Re: OT: Time warp (Ted Palamarek)
38. 01:35 PM - Re: Short flight (Gary Algate)
39. 03:34 PM - First Flight N913KF (Bill Hammond)
40. 04:11 PM - Re: First Flight N913KF (John Balunda)
41. 04:27 PM - Re: First Flight N913KF (Jeff Sattin)
42. 04:34 PM - Re: First Flight N913KF (JMCBEAN)
43. 04:44 PM - Re: insurance price adjustment (JMCBEAN)
44. 04:44 PM - Re: mechanical elevator trim (JMCBEAN)
45. 04:59 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Bob Unternaehrer)
46. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Now Prop info needed (Bob Unternaehrer)
47. 05:02 PM - Re: insurance price adjustment (Bob Unternaehrer)
48. 05:04 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (JMCBEAN)
49. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Fuel pumps (JMCBEAN)
50. 05:35 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
51. 06:20 PM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Floran Higgins)
52. 08:49 PM - Wheels & skis (gene m. calkins)
53. 09:10 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Prop info needed (jimshumaker)
54. 10:31 PM - Re: Now Prop info needed (Ron Carroll)
55. 11:08 PM - Re: First Flight N913KF (Don Pearsall)
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| Subject: | insurance price adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook <cookflys@juno.com>
Just thought I would throw this out.
Some of the insurance companies will give you a 9% rebate as soon as you
fly the first 20 hrs off your aircraft. YOU must call them for this
rebate. There is another 9% when you have 160 hrs in type of aircraft.
If you are building and looking for insurance one thing that caught my
attention is some of the policies do not cover a test pilot other than
the owner. Sounds strange but I have a friend who is willing to help on
the initial flying who has 600+ hrs in kitfoxes and if I elected for him
to do a test flight he is not covered until the 40 hrs are flown off.
Liability coverage would be in place but no hull or medical and life.
Charles Cook
363kf
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Ron,
Just back from another trip.
Glad that you got the plane to fly consistantly, even
if now with a consistant roll. That can at least be
fixed with a "consistant correction". :-)
I agree that you should rig the plane first to correct
the roll. You want it to not have one wing stall
before the other, which could happen if mis-rigged.
Then you can trim out the little differences with a
tab or wedge, if necessary. You put the tab or wedge
on the flapperon, not the wing. Try to keep the wings
flying "square" and trim the controls.
Most people I have talked to are able to rig the plane
to fly straight without trim tabs, but there are
always differences in engine thrust, fuselage
alignment, rudder/stab alignment, etc to adjust for
too.
Kurt S.
--- Ron Carroll <RonCarr@qwest.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll"
> <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved,
> and the plane seems to be flying much better. The
> problem was caused by a delaminated right flaperon.
> By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the
> flaperon were disintegrated by gasoline that had
> entered the flaperon. When the flaps were deployed
> the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind
> forces on the surface of the flaperon prevented it
> from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new
> foam ribs that are protected with epoxy resin. I
> also made a wood rib for the inboard end of the
> flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and
> then screwed the top & bottom skins to it. The
> flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
> intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to
> roll to the right at all times (not just when the
> flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
> is caused by the washout of the wings. According to
> the plans, the washout should be done initially so
> that each wing matches the other. The plans then go
> on to say that actual flight should then determine
> if the washout should be fine tuned to suit the
> particular plane. That is where I am now. This
> afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to
> even out the lift. Because of the weather I may not
> be able to test it for a couple of days, but I am
> now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go
> ahead and buy a new 3-blade prop for it. I would
> like to ask for opinions regarding various 3-blade
> props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake
> now, I'd rather take advise from those much more
> experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel pumps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: HereBostonTim@aol.com
FUCK OFF AND DIE...
ONE MORE E-MAIL TO ME AND YOU WILL BE ARRESTED.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
>Michel I have some pictures of skis that the wheel protrudes through the
skis. you can have the best of both worlds . when I find the pictures I will
post them on sportflight.com and let you where they are. Gene N99GC series 6
Thanks Gene, I am looking forward to that.
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Now Prop info needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> 3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But I
stuck with
> a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me a
very good
> deal quite a few years ago.
>
> Cheers, bh
>
> > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
> 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade
> props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather take
advise
> from those much more experienced.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3 - Oregon
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Michel,
I made my own tail ski from a piece of 1/4" thick plastic and a piece of
aluminium - I will take a couple of photos and send you off list. It was
easy and it works really well.
I have seen the combination wheel/ski set ups but only on certified
aircrafts however I'm sure they are available.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>
Isn't there a way to built skis on the side of the wheels? Anyone with
knowledge of that? Another thing is that I don't have a tailwheel ski.
Probably not a big problem to make myself but if anyone knows of an existing
one that can be mounted on a Maule tailwheel, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Torgeir
I didn't take offence from your posting - I was just joking.
This is why sometimes I hate email as it so easy to misinterpret the "sense"
of the email.
Feel free to bounce me any time (That also was a joke) See what I
mean????????????????????????
Best regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sorry, my word was really not meant to offend you, just tried to say that
your experience may help others to avoid such thing.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ron
My Lite2 always flew right wing low and after recommendations by the List I
fitted a balsa wedge under my left flaperons and this helped a lot. I also
adjusted my struts to give my right wing a higher angle of attack and this
fixed it but I didn't like the unequal setup.
More recently I purchased the plastic airfoiled covers for my lift struts
and I found that by just angling them slightly like ailerons the problem was
fixed. Ie) on the right (low) wing I have the airfoil lift strut with a
positive angle of attack and on the left wing (high) I have a slightly
negative angle of attack.
Plane flies perfectly true now
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As Jeff
reminds me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big
difference and I should have mentioned it before.
Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't believe
I said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only trying
to dip the right wing all of the time.
Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like size,
and exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining what
worked. This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on
the bottom of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would make
it rise more, but what do I know?
Thanks again,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
-
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on
the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end
of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top
&
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at
all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that
this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the
washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am
now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the
lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd
rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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| Subject: | insurance price adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Charles,
This sounds interesting. Can you be more specific on what companies are
offering this 9% rebate.
I can contact you off list if you prefer.
Regards
Roger Mac
S7/ 912S
getting ready to cover fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of charles b
cook
Subject: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook <cookflys@juno.com>
Just thought I would throw this out.
Some of the insurance companies will give you a 9% rebate as soon as you
fly the first 20 hrs off your aircraft. YOU must call them for this
rebate. There is another 9% when you have 160 hrs in type of aircraft.
If you are building and looking for insurance one thing that caught my
attention is some of the policies do not cover a test pilot other than
the owner. Sounds strange but I have a friend who is willing to help on
the initial flying who has 600+ hrs in kitfoxes and if I elected for him
to do a test flight he is not covered until the 40 hrs are flown off.
Liability coverage would be in place but no hull or medical and life.
Charles Cook
363kf
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| Subject: | insurance price adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Charles,
You may want to look at adding your friend as a named pilot on the policy.
If he has 600+ hrs in type then it shouldn't effect the insurance much if
any.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of charles b cook
Subject: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook <cookflys@juno.com>
Just thought I would throw this out.
Some of the insurance companies will give you a 9% rebate as soon as you
fly the first 20 hrs off your aircraft. YOU must call them for this
rebate. There is another 9% when you have 160 hrs in type of aircraft.
If you are building and looking for insurance one thing that caught my
attention is some of the policies do not cover a test pilot other than
the owner. Sounds strange but I have a friend who is willing to help on
the initial flying who has 600+ hrs in kitfoxes and if I elected for him
to do a test flight he is not covered until the 40 hrs are flown off.
Liability coverage would be in place but no hull or medical and life.
Charles Cook
363kf
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| Subject: | Re: Now Prop info needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
I have a three bladed GSC prop that I removed from a 912 UL. The hub has
about 500 hrs and the blades has about 100 hrs. It would not fit on the 912
ULS.
If someone wants it I'll sell it cheap.
Contact me off line at: CLIFFH@odrs.net
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
> 912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
<aerowood@mcsi.net>
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > 3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But I
> stuck with
> > a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me a
> very good
> > deal quite a few years ago.
> >
> > Cheers, bh
> >
> > > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a
new
> > 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
> 3-blade
> > props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
take
> advise
> > from those much more experienced.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ron Carroll
> > > KF3 - Oregon
> >
> >
> > ---
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> >
> >
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Good thing you explained this, Kurt. I was about to nail a 2X4 on one of the wings,
but hadn't really decided which one. All joking aside, I really didn't
understand the message, and thought it meant a trim tab of sorts should be attached
to a wing that wants to rise. Now I understand it is actually the flaperon
on the side that wants to rise. Its such a simple thing to do, I'll try
it! These work great for elevators & rudders, why not ailerons?
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: kurt schrader
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
- Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Ron,
Just back from another trip.
Glad that you got the plane to fly consistantly, even
if now with a consistant roll. That can at least be
fixed with a "consistant correction". :-)
I agree that you should rig the plane first to correct
the roll. You want it to not have one wing stall
before the other, which could happen if mis-rigged.
Then you can trim out the little differences with a
tab or wedge, if necessary. You put the tab or wedge
on the flapperon, not the wing. Try to keep the wings
flying "square" and trim the controls.
Most people I have talked to are able to rig the plane
to fly straight without trim tabs, but there are
always differences in engine thrust, fuselage
alignment, rudder/stab alignment, etc to adjust for
too.
Kurt S.
--- Ron Carroll <RonCarr@qwest.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll"
> <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved,
> and the plane seems to be flying much better. The
> problem was caused by a delaminated right flaperon.
> By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the
> flaperon were disintegrated by gasoline that had
> entered the flaperon. When the flaps were deployed
> the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind
> forces on the surface of the flaperon prevented it
> from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new
> foam ribs that are protected with epoxy resin. I
> also made a wood rib for the inboard end of the
> flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and
> then screwed the top & bottom skins to it. The
> flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
> intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to
> roll to the right at all times (not just when the
> flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
> is caused by the washout of the wings. According to
> the plans, the washout should be done initially so
> that each wing matches the other. The plans then go
> on to say that actual flight should then determine
> if the washout should be fine tuned to suit the
> particular plane. That is where I am now. This
> afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to
> even out the lift. Because of the weather I may not
> be able to test it for a couple of days, but I am
> now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go
> ahead and buy a new 3-blade prop for it. I would
> like to ask for opinions regarding various 3-blade
> props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake
> now, I'd rather take advise from those much more
> experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Avid offered the wheel penetrating ski and it worked well. I think
pictures are still available on the Avid site and could be used to
construct your own.. It'd certainly be a lot simpler than having to
replace the entire wheel and brake assy.
Jerry Liles
Gary Algate wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
>Michel,
>
>I made my own tail ski from a piece of 1/4" thick plastic and a piece of
>aluminium - I will take a couple of photos and send you off list. It was
>easy and it works really well.
>
>I have seen the combination wheel/ski set ups but only on certified
>aircrafts however I'm sure they are available.
>
>Gary Algate
>Lite2/582
>
>
>
>
>Isn't there a way to built skis on the side of the wheels? Anyone with
>knowledge of that? Another thing is that I don't have a tailwheel ski.
>Probably not a big problem to make myself but if anyone knows of an existing
>one that can be mounted on a Maule tailwheel, I'd appreciate it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Michel
><<<<<<<<
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Bob, if you would send me some info on the blades, like length, condition, model
(if there is such a thing), ground adjustable?, etc., so that I can get prices
for the third blade & hub. and have them balance matched. Because it was
used on a 912, I wonder if it would be too much for a 582??? How are these props
on a KF/582, do you know?
Someone commented that IVO & Warp 3-blades are better than the 3-blade GSC, but
I'm not sure why.
Thanks,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob U.
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Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Thanks for the ideas, Gary. I have already adjusted my lift struts to add lift
to the right wing, and remove lift from the left wing. These adjustments were
only slight, so not to have too much difference (if I get any change at all).
By slight, I mean I took made one full turn on each of the four lift strut
adjusters. We're talking only thousands of an inch each.
My wooden lift strut fairings are already installed, so it would be tough to change
these at this time. I now have a few suggestions that I will play with,
and test fly when the weather clears.
Thanks,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
- Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ron
My Lite2 always flew right wing low and after recommendations by the List I
fitted a balsa wedge under my left flaperons and this helped a lot. I also
adjusted my struts to give my right wing a higher angle of attack and this
fixed it but I didn't like the unequal setup.
More recently I purchased the plastic airfoiled covers for my lift struts
and I found that by just angling them slightly like ailerons the problem was
fixed. Ie) on the right (low) wing I have the airfoil lift strut with a
positive angle of attack and on the left wing (high) I have a slightly
negative angle of attack.
Plane flies perfectly true now
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As Jeff
reminds me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big
difference and I should have mentioned it before.
Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't believe
I said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only trying
to dip the right wing all of the time.
Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like size,
and exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining what
worked. This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on
the bottom of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would make
it rise more, but what do I know?
Thanks again,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
-
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on
the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end
of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top
&
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at
all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that
this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the
washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am
now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the
lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd
rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Elbie,
My experience is similar to John's - 560 hours and counting. I never top
off after flying. I don't need the fuel when just running around home. My
model IV is hangared unless on a cross country. I have never found water in
the fuel. I pull the finger strainers and have found a piece of rubber, I
think from a gasket in the fuel system at an FBO on one of the x-countries
as I always filter when at home. The Purolater filters always have some
fine stuff in them when changed, but water? Never. I think John's
experience has more validity as to condensation as he is in the high
humidity South East.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank "pitot"
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> kingjohn@erols.com writes:
> I always check my fuel tank quick drains for water, but I never have seen
any
> water. That goes for the 800 hours on my Model IV and 305 hours on my
Series
> 6. I have flown both Kitfox's in rain, however except for out of town
trips
> they were hangared.
> John,
> I bet your tanks are always filled after each flight also. If full you
won't
> get near as much condensation is my experience over the years. Also water
> isn't the only thing you drain out, Hopefully you won't get any sediment,
but do
> you know how full the fuelers tank is? if near the bottom, or has just
been
> filled and the sediments are still up and around they are actually worse
than
> water in the fuel, as eventually will plug up filters to an extent.
>
> Perhaps I'm an old dog who doesn't want to learn new tricks, but I will
> continue to drain prior to first flight each day, seen to much junk in the
fuel
> sample tubes!
> Elbie
>
>
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Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Ron, I was wondering about the inboard rib. I have the IV and the rib is
steel with a collar that is riveted to the spar. I guess the steel rib
upgrade, on the model IV,at the inboard end indicates that your experience
may not be entirely unique.
Thanks for the update.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm -
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top &
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Cliff, I sent this to email address shown, but it bounced.
Try this . . .
Ron Carroll
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Carroll
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
Floran, will it fit a 582 hub?? Price? Condition?
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Floran Higgins
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
I have a three bladed GSC prop that I removed from a 912 UL. The hub has
about 500 hrs and the blades has about 100 hrs. It would not fit on the 912
ULS.
If someone wants it I'll sell it cheap.
Contact me off line at: CLIFFH@odrs.net
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
> 912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
<aerowood@mcsi.net>
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > 3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But I
> stuck with
> > a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me a
> very good
> > deal quite a few years ago.
> >
> > Cheers, bh
> >
> > > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a
new
> > 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
> 3-blade
> > props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
take
> advise
> > from those much more experienced.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ron Carroll
> > > KF3 - Oregon
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >
> >
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
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Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jim, I respectfully disagree on this point. Maybe it depends on the amount
of correction needed. I was able to eliminate a heavy left wing by
decreasing angle of attack on the right wing. Granted it was not a major
change as I had been flying with the heavy wing for 500 hours, but finally
changed it after taking an 87 year old friend up who had tons of hours as a
pilot, most of them flight testing aircraft after maintenance. He was an
A&P also. He kept talking about it and I want to take him up again and just
didn't want to have it as a distraction for him.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ron
>
> Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
> Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
the
> flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
> balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
> wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
> can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
> also work.
>
> Jim Shumaker
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Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> Now Prop
info needed
Ron
I would go ahead with adjusting the main struts (washout)first. Adjust a
couple of turns at a time, and then fine tune.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As Jeff
reminds me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big
difference and I should have mentioned it before.
Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't believe
I said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only trying
to dip the right wing all of the time.
Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like size,
and exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining what
worked. This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on
the bottom of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would make
it rise more, but what do I know?
Thanks again,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm -
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on
the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end
of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top
&
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at
all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that
this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the
washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am
now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the
lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd
rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Ron,
I assume:
Right wing - forward strut adjusted out, rear adjusted in;
Left wing - just the reverse of right wing.
bh
> Thanks for the ideas, Gary. I have already adjusted my lift struts to add
lift to the right wing, and remove lift from the left wing. These adjustments
were only slight, so not to have too much difference (if I get any change at
all). By slight, I mean I took made one full turn on each of the four lift
strut adjusters. We're talking only thousands of an inch each.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
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| Subject: | insurance price adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I tried to add my friend "the brave pilot" who did the
first test flight on my plane. The insurance company
said that all other people, beside myself, are
considered "passengers" until the 40 hrs are complete,
thus illegal and uninsured people.
The first 30 minutes on my plane were totally
uninsured. Until they will reasonably insure me in
it, I'll take the risk rather than reward them. Other
opinions welcome.
Kurt S.
--- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Charles,
> You may want to look at adding your friend
> as a named pilot on the policy.
> If he has 600+ hrs in type then it shouldn't effect
> the insurance much if
> any.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of charles b cook
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook
> <cookflys@juno.com>
>
> Just thought I would throw this out.
> Some of the insurance companies will give you a 9%
> rebate as soon as you
> fly the first 20 hrs off your aircraft. YOU must
> call them for this
> rebate. There is another 9% when you have 160 hrs in
> type of aircraft.
>
> If you are building and looking for insurance one
> thing that caught my
> attention is some of the policies do not cover a
> test pilot other than
> the owner. Sounds strange but I have a friend who is
> willing to help on
> the initial flying who has 600+ hrs in kitfoxes and
> if I elected for him
> to do a test flight he is not covered until the 40
> hrs are flown off.
> Liability coverage would be in place but no hull or
> medical and life.
> Charles Cook
> 363kf
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I live in Louisiana, justly famous for heat and humidity. I've never
found water in my fuel tanks, filters, or header and the tanks are never
more than half full. Tootie Mae lives in a T hanger that only provides
a roof so she would be prey to tank condensation if it occurred. I just
don't think the fiberglass tanks "sweat".
Jerry Liles
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>Elbie,
>
>My experience is similar to John's - 560 hours and counting. I never top
>off after flying. I don't need the fuel when just running around home. My
>model IV is hangared unless on a cross country. I have never found water in
>the fuel. I pull the finger strainers and have found a piece of rubber, I
>think from a gasket in the fuel system at an FBO on one of the x-countries
>as I always filter when at home. The Purolater filters always have some
>fine stuff in them when changed, but water? Never. I think John's
>experience has more validity as to condensation as he is in the high
>humidity South East.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank "pitot"
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>>
>> kingjohn@erols.com writes:
>>I always check my fuel tank quick drains for water, but I never have seen
>>
>>
>any
>
>
>>water. That goes for the 800 hours on my Model IV and 305 hours on my
>>
>>
>Series
>
>
>>6. I have flown both Kitfox's in rain, however except for out of town
>>
>>
>trips
>
>
>>they were hangared.
>>John,
>>I bet your tanks are always filled after each flight also. If full you
>>
>>
>won't
>
>
>>get near as much condensation is my experience over the years. Also water
>>isn't the only thing you drain out, Hopefully you won't get any sediment,
>>
>>
>but do
>
>
>>you know how full the fuelers tank is? if near the bottom, or has just
>>
>>
>been
>
>
>>filled and the sediments are still up and around they are actually worse
>>
>>
>than
>
>
>>water in the fuel, as eventually will plug up filters to an extent.
>>
>>Perhaps I'm an old dog who doesn't want to learn new tricks, but I will
>>continue to drain prior to first flight each day, seen to much junk in the
>>
>>
>fuel
>
>
>>sample tubes!
>>Elbie
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Ron,
I derived a great deal of satisfaction from tweaking the incidence of the wings
to obtain hands off trim. I suspect that you also will appreciate the sense
of accomplishment that can come from better understanding your aircraft. You
seem to have done so with the flaperons. In the Model IV the inboard flaperon
rib is chromoly riveted to the flaperon spar and torque tube.
John Kerr
Do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ron
>
> Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
> Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that the
> flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
> balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
> wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise. This
> can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side will
> also work.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm -
> Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
> be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
> flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
> disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
> were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on the
> surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
> >
> > I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
> protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of
> the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top &
> bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
> intended.
> >
> > HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all
> times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
> is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout
> should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
> then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
> should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now.
> This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift.
> Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
> but I am now optimistic.
> >
> > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
> 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
> 3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
> take advise from those much more experienced.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3 - Oregon
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
I have an extra GSC 3-blade hub available cheap. Fits 582.
bh
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
> 912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob U.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Ron,
Experience from the list has indicated 5-10 mph more with Warp or IVO props,
with no reduction on climb. 582s.
bh - SW Oregon
> Bob, if you would send me some info on the blades, like length, condition,
model (if there is such a thing), ground adjustable?, etc., so that I can get
prices for the third blade & hub. and have them balance matched. Because it was
used on a 912, I wonder if it would be too much for a 582??? How are these
props on a KF/582, do you know?
>
> Someone commented that IVO & Warp 3-blades are better than the 3-blade GSC,
but I'm not sure why.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
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| Subject: | mechanical elevator trim |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <Lmar@direcway.com>
Does anyone use a Bowen cable mechanical elevator trim system. it should be real
easy, but after replacing my inner cable twice and the inner and outer once,
the inner cable broke again with less that 25 hrs. I think that the last brakeage
was helped along previously by a pair of pliers. The trim tab has always
been very difficult to move full range when all attached.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank "pitot" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Elbie,
Yes, I usually keep my tanks full after each flight. I also use a funnel with
a water filter and always do the filling myself.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
>John,
>I bet your tanks are always filled after each flight also. If full you won't
>get near as much condensation is my experience over the years. Also water
>isn't the only thing you drain out, Hopefully you won't get any sediment, but
do
>you know how full the fuelers tank is? if near the bottom, or has just been
>filled and the sediments are still up and around they are actually worse than
>water in the fuel, as eventually will plug up filters to an extent.
>
>Elbie
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Ted,
I made the flight in my KitFox from Cour de' Alene, Idaho to Nome, Alaska last
July. It was one of the finest adventures of my life.
I was particularly impressed with Canada's airports, navigational assistance
and the excellent treatment I received all along the way.
At each airport, my KitFox drew a small crowd of admirers. I did not have to
rent any autos as I was always treated to either a courtesy car or offered
rides by locals. Fuel was readily available all along my route. I enjoyed some
of the most spectacular sights that I have seen in my life.
If you decide to make a trip to Nome, let me know and I can give you some
assistance and guidance.
Dreams are just realities waiting to happen.
-Scott-
Ted Palamarek wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir and Scott
>
> Yup -- sure know what that's all about after spending many
> years in Alaska and the Canadian Arctic as high up as
> Ellesmere Island just off the northern tip of Greenland. I'd
> like to make a trip up there with my Kitfox one day. It
> could be done as there are many landing strips and good sand
> bars that will easily handle a Kitfox. Fuel is readily
> available except for the very high Arctic, Anyway --- that's
> just a dream at this time. Do Not Archive
>
> Ted P
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> <<<<SNIP>>>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Timewarp
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> Torgeir,
> Most of these guys who live in the "sun belt" just don't
> have a clue what
> that's all about!
> I DO!
> Drop me a line, would love to compare notes and information.
> -Scott McClintock, SeriesV "Arctic Fox" based in Nome,
> Alaska
>
> Torgeir Mortensen wrote: etc. etc.
>
> >
>
> ==============
> Contributions
> other
> ==============
> ==============
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> ==============
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Shane,
I am a little confused. I cannot find Victoria Island, Cambridge Bay,
or Nunavut on my map of Alaska. Could that be in northeastern Canada?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Shane Sather wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
>
>Well Guys here I sit in some of that very terran, on Victoria Island,
>Cambridge Bay, Nunavut. And there is no sun right now, it went down end of
>November and will not be around until end of the 2nd week in January.
>My Light 2 is sitting in its hanger and will not be going anywhere for a
>long time. It is just to darn cold.
>I haven't had much chance to explore up here yet as I just flew up here this
>fall from Edmonton, about 1200 miles on floats and had to get busy building
>my hanger before the snow flew. But next spring hope to see a lot of
>country.
>
>Shane Light 2
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop
info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
<a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2731??PS=">Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here.
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
You're right. Lowell. I have no idea what the inboard end of the Model-3 flaperon
looked like because mine had already had a bunch of epoxy-like stuff poured
into the inboard end, in an obvious attempt to secure the skin to the spar.
That repair had broken loose from the inside of the skin, leaving it free to
literally flap in the breeze (pun intended).
The Model-4's steel rib with the welded collar is the way to go. If my fix fails,
I will remove the control arm weldment on the inboard end of the flaperon's
spar, and make something similar to yours.
Ron Carroll
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
- Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Ron, I was wondering about the inboard rib. I have the IV and the rib is
steel with a collar that is riveted to the spar. I guess the steel rib
upgrade, on the model IV,at the inboard end indicates that your experience
may not be entirely unique.
Thanks for the update.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm -
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the top &
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Timewarp |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
John,
You are correct, not in Alaska
-Scott-
"John E. King" wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> Shane,
>
> I am a little confused. I cannot find Victoria Island, Cambridge Bay,
> or Nunavut on my map of Alaska. Could that be in northeastern Canada?
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
> Shane Sather wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
> >
> >Well Guys here I sit in some of that very terran, on Victoria Island,
> >Cambridge Bay, Nunavut. And there is no sun right now, it went down end of
> >November and will not be around until end of the 2nd week in January.
> >My Light 2 is sitting in its hanger and will not be going anywhere for a
> >long time. It is just to darn cold.
> >I haven't had much chance to explore up here yet as I just flew up here this
> >fall from Edmonton, about 1200 miles on floats and had to get busy building
> >my hanger before the snow flew. But next spring hope to see a lot of
> >country.
> >
> >Shane Light 2
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Gary,
Please post pictures of your ski set up to the list, matronics photo area or to
the sportflight page. It would be nice for all to see your setup, as others
may also be interested, including me.
Thanks,
Matt
Do Not Archive
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Exactly, Bruce. Only one turn at each location, so I may not see much change,
based on how hard it pulled right. I'll see soon.
Ron
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Harrington
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update'
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Ron,
I assume:
Right wing - forward strut adjusted out, rear adjusted in;
Left wing - just the reverse of right wing.
bh
> Thanks for the ideas, Gary. I have already adjusted my lift struts to add
lift to the right wing, and remove lift from the left wing. These adjustments
were only slight, so not to have too much difference (if I get any change at
all). By slight, I mean I took made one full turn on each of the four lift
strut adjusters. We're talking only thousands of an inch each.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Prop repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Elbie,
Actually, I couple of the list members already contacted them on my behalf.
I should be able to repair the "ding" with some epoxy and a file.
Thanks, I appreciate your (and you other guys) response(s).
-Scott-
RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> Scott,
> Have you called Warp Drive? I had a booth next to them a few years ago at
> OSH or SnF, great guys, and I'm sure they would give you an honest answer. Props
> aren't for messing with!
> Elbie
> EM aviation
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
John
I can answer your query. Cambridge Bay is in Canada and is
located on the big island (Victoria) immediately north of
the north coast of the Canadian mainland in the arctic.
Cambridge Bay is on the south coast of the island east of
the Coronation Gulf. About 500 miles NNE of Yellowknife
N.W.T. It is a little confusing to you folks down south
because the N.W.T. split in two a couple of years ago and
the western half of Canada's arctic is still the Northwest
Territories while the eastern half is now called Nunavut,
that is where Cambridge is. Are you planning on coming this
way again John??
Ted
Edmonton, Alberta
<<<<SNIP>>>>-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Timewarp
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
<kingjohn@erols.com>
Shane,
I am a little confused. I cannot find Victoria Island,
Cambridge Bay,
or Nunavut on my map of Alaska. Could that be in
northeastern Canada?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
OK Mat
I will get some photos over the weekend
Gary
Do not archive
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | First Flight N913KF |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Following is another, albeit wordy, story of a first flight in a
brand new Kitfox.
12/5/03 - Denver Colorado
The morning has started cold. Temperature is 9 degrees
Fahrenheit as I leave my house at 4:45am to drive to work at
Denver International Airport. I am a supervisor in the FAA
approach control. I need to get to work by 5:30 to set the
arrival flow for all the airliners inbound from the east coast.
But, my mind is elsewhere. I am thinking of the Kitfox Series 6
that I have been building for the last two years. It is sitting
in a hangar at FTG Front Range airport - about seven miles away
from DEN and tucked into a corner below the Class B airspace.
N913KF had been issued her airworthiness certificate on 11/10/03.
About five hours were showing on the Hobbs meter as a result of
engine runup and taxi testing. Would today be the day? I felt
that the aircraft was ready, but was I? I had never been
airborne in a Kitfox. I have logged over 4500 hours in the last
27 years, but all of it was in production aircraft. I have been
keeping current in an Aeronca Champ while I have been building
the Kitfox. I felt capable. I had consulted with my EAA chapter
flight advisor. I had confidence in the aircraft construction
and rigging after the taxi tests, but that first flight in a new
aircraft is an awfully big step.
At the approach control, I check the weather, NOTAMS, and airport
conditions before setting the day's arrival rate. It is good
VFR, only a slight breeze from the southeast, and all the runways
and taxiways are open. I call Denver Center and tell them to
give me a flow for four runways, visual approaches, land south
and east with no restrictions. I can almost see the Traffic
Management Coordinator smile - even though he is 60 miles away in
Longmont Colorado. I have just given him the permission to throw
160 airplanes per hour at me and my approach controllers. No
other airport in the world can eat aluminum like DEN can! The
folks at Denver Center know that it will be impossible for them
to find enough aircraft to meet this demand, but they will
certainly come close for short periods. I can only imagine how
the airlines' bean counters will be smiling - along with the
30,000 people that will travel through DEN today without any
delays or cancellations. I think to myself - gee, this decision
made by me, a lowly government employee, will have a positive
economic impact on a whole bunch of people today. I hope that
they keep paying their taxes so I can keep drawing my salary. I
also hope to make it hard on the flight crews to try and use the
excuse "Ladies and gentlemen, we have an ATC delay...." There's
nothing like good VFR to make all out lives easier. And these
light winds are favorable for a taildragger.... Enough, back to
business.
The first morning inbound rush is down and at the gates when I am
joined in the Tracon by another supervisor. Would he mind if I
skipped out today and went flying? He is agreeable, but the 9
degree temperature makes the thought a little uncomfortable. I
decide to get a session of proficiency time working final
approach during the next rush. MAybe it will warm up.
I key up 123.85, set my radar scope the way that I like it and
buckle in. Final approach can be like a roller coaster ride.
There are times of great buildup followed by a wild ride until it
ends. Unlike a video game, you can't hit pause and you can't ask
anyone to stop. Just like they tell you at the carnival "keep
your hands and feet inside the ride until it comes to a complete
stop." Away we go. "United 44 heavy, approach, reduce speed to
170 then descend and maintain 8,000." "Skywest 7036 turn right
heading 080, traffic two o'clock 3 miles on final a Boeing 737.
Report traffic in sight." "Frontier 583 turn right heading 140,
maintain 170 knots to JETSN, clear for visual approach runway 16
right." "United 1403 contact tower won tree fife point tree
(135.3) So long."
It is a pretty smooth session today. My turns are timely,
spacing is good, the lineup is aesthetically pleasing on the
radar scope. I am feeling pretty self confident. What is the
wind? One six zero at eight - that is a fine wind for a first
flight. I'm outta here! As the last airliners are sent to
tower, I combine my radar position to another controller, sign
for the leave, and drive to FTG. This will be the day after all.
The temperature is now about 35 and N913KF does not protest as I
pull the cowl off and give a preflight as if my life depended on
it, because it does. The airport Crash-Fire-Rescue crew comes to
the hangar at my invitation as I explain what I am going to do,
show them how to work the door latches, and where the master and
ignition switches are located. They offer to stand by for the
flight and I heartily agree. Self preservation has a way of
hedging all bets. Two friends from work drive up to witness the
event. I am not sure if they are here for support or to manage a
betting pool whose outcome is determined by my ultimate success.
The Rotax 912S starts in the cold air, but is reluctant to
smooth out for the first 30 seconds. Finally, it purrs its
cadence and I start the long taxi to runway 17.
By the time I get to the runway, the engine temperatures are
normal and everything feels right. Out come the checklists as I
prepare to make my own personal history. Finally, it is time.
No excuses. In the words of astronaut Gus Grissom I mumble to
myself the test pilot's prayer - "O Lord, please don't let me
f*** up!" The throttle moves forward. Before I can get it to
the stop, the tail has come up. Oh Yah!! Tracking is straight as
the airplane very quickly gets light on the wheels. Now,
according to my script, I am supposed to make note of the
indicated airspeed so that I will have it as a basis later for
the landing approach. I confess, I missed it. By the time I
look down at the airspeed, I am already in the air! Ed Downs was
right - this thing is really a high performance airplane in
disguise. I put the nose in what I consider to be a comfortable
spot for climb and glance at the speed. I am already up to 80
mph. Unfortunately, I have to level off to stay out of the Class
B airspace, but it certainly feels as if it want to keep on climbing.
I fly a rectangular pattern around the airport and check the
control responses. I had only used a very little bit of trim
adjustment from the measured spot detailed in the construction
manual. That was good. Control response incredibly light and
effective - much more so than the Aeronca. Rudder authority is
good. I let go of the stick to see if the wing rigging is
proper. It stays level hands off. "Remember to breathe" the
Flight advisor had told me. I do - through a huge smile. I
think to myself "I built this thing and it is flying!" I am
experiencing no fear, no apprehension, and no desire to return to
earth. But, my flight plan says that I must. After 1/2 hour it
is time to try the first landing.
As I slow in the pattern, the control response feels solid. I'll
land on runway 17. There is no crosswind and the runway is 8000
feet long, so there is no reason to try and put it on the
numbers. I aim for a spot 1500 feet down, carry a little extra
speed until I am in the flare, and close the throttle. I ended
up with the prettiest little three point landing that you've ever
seen. There was no tendency to swerve or fishtail, and with
minimal braking I was at a stop in about 500 feet. I think that
I am in love.
So, now I have 36 minutes of Kitfox time in my log book. I have
thoroughly enjoyed the building and am looking forward to the
flying. My personal euphoria is exhilarating. All is right with
the world. As so may others on this list have stated... Blue Skies.
Bill Hammond
Parker, Colorado
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Balunda" <JohnCA58@pacbell.net>
To Bill Hammond Congratulations and great write up.
John
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Bill,
Congratulations on your first flight. Thanks for sharing your wonderful
experience. Keep us posted.
Jeff Sattin
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hammond
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight N913KF
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Following is another, albeit wordy, story of a first flight in a
brand new Kitfox.
12/5/03 - Denver Colorado
The morning has started cold. Temperature is 9 degrees
Fahrenheit as I leave my house at 4:45am to drive to work at
Denver International Airport. I am a supervisor in the FAA
approach control. I need to get to work by 5:30 to set the
arrival flow for all the airliners inbound from the east coast.
But, my mind is elsewhere. I am thinking of the Kitfox Series 6
that I have been building for the last two years. It is sitting
in a hangar at FTG Front Range airport - about seven miles away
from DEN and tucked into a corner below the Class B airspace.
N913KF had been issued her airworthiness certificate on 11/10/03.
About five hours were showing on the Hobbs meter as a result of
engine runup and taxi testing. Would today be the day? I felt
that the aircraft was ready, but was I? I had never been
airborne in a Kitfox. I have logged over 4500 hours in the last
27 years, but all of it was in production aircraft. I have been
keeping current in an Aeronca Champ while I have been building
the Kitfox. I felt capable. I had consulted with my EAA chapter
flight advisor. I had confidence in the aircraft construction
and rigging after the taxi tests, but that first flight in a new
aircraft is an awfully big step.
At the approach control, I check the weather, NOTAMS, and airport
conditions before setting the day's arrival rate. It is good
VFR, only a slight breeze from the southeast, and all the runways
and taxiways are open. I call Denver Center and tell them to
give me a flow for four runways, visual approaches, land south
and east with no restrictions. I can almost see the Traffic
Management Coordinator smile - even though he is 60 miles away in
Longmont Colorado. I have just given him the permission to throw
160 airplanes per hour at me and my approach controllers. No
other airport in the world can eat aluminum like DEN can! The
folks at Denver Center know that it will be impossible for them
to find enough aircraft to meet this demand, but they will
certainly come close for short periods. I can only imagine how
the airlines' bean counters will be smiling - along with the
30,000 people that will travel through DEN today without any
delays or cancellations. I think to myself - gee, this decision
made by me, a lowly government employee, will have a positive
economic impact on a whole bunch of people today. I hope that
they keep paying their taxes so I can keep drawing my salary. I
also hope to make it hard on the flight crews to try and use the
excuse "Ladies and gentlemen, we have an ATC delay...." There's
nothing like good VFR to make all out lives easier. And these
light winds are favorable for a taildragger.... Enough, back to
business.
The first morning inbound rush is down and at the gates when I am
joined in the Tracon by another supervisor. Would he mind if I
skipped out today and went flying? He is agreeable, but the 9
degree temperature makes the thought a little uncomfortable. I
decide to get a session of proficiency time working final
approach during the next rush. MAybe it will warm up.
I key up 123.85, set my radar scope the way that I like it and
buckle in. Final approach can be like a roller coaster ride.
There are times of great buildup followed by a wild ride until it
ends. Unlike a video game, you can't hit pause and you can't ask
anyone to stop. Just like they tell you at the carnival "keep
your hands and feet inside the ride until it comes to a complete
stop." Away we go. "United 44 heavy, approach, reduce speed to
170 then descend and maintain 8,000." "Skywest 7036 turn right
heading 080, traffic two o'clock 3 miles on final a Boeing 737.
Report traffic in sight." "Frontier 583 turn right heading 140,
maintain 170 knots to JETSN, clear for visual approach runway 16
right." "United 1403 contact tower won tree fife point tree
(135.3) So long."
It is a pretty smooth session today. My turns are timely,
spacing is good, the lineup is aesthetically pleasing on the
radar scope. I am feeling pretty self confident. What is the
wind? One six zero at eight - that is a fine wind for a first
flight. I'm outta here! As the last airliners are sent to
tower, I combine my radar position to another controller, sign
for the leave, and drive to FTG. This will be the day after all.
The temperature is now about 35 and N913KF does not protest as I
pull the cowl off and give a preflight as if my life depended on
it, because it does. The airport Crash-Fire-Rescue crew comes to
the hangar at my invitation as I explain what I am going to do,
show them how to work the door latches, and where the master and
ignition switches are located. They offer to stand by for the
flight and I heartily agree. Self preservation has a way of
hedging all bets. Two friends from work drive up to witness the
event. I am not sure if they are here for support or to manage a
betting pool whose outcome is determined by my ultimate success.
The Rotax 912S starts in the cold air, but is reluctant to
smooth out for the first 30 seconds. Finally, it purrs its
cadence and I start the long taxi to runway 17.
By the time I get to the runway, the engine temperatures are
normal and everything feels right. Out come the checklists as I
prepare to make my own personal history. Finally, it is time.
No excuses. In the words of astronaut Gus Grissom I mumble to
myself the test pilot's prayer - "O Lord, please don't let me
f*** up!" The throttle moves forward. Before I can get it to
the stop, the tail has come up. Oh Yah!! Tracking is straight as
the airplane very quickly gets light on the wheels. Now,
according to my script, I am supposed to make note of the
indicated airspeed so that I will have it as a basis later for
the landing approach. I confess, I missed it. By the time I
look down at the airspeed, I am already in the air! Ed Downs was
right - this thing is really a high performance airplane in
disguise. I put the nose in what I consider to be a comfortable
spot for climb and glance at the speed. I am already up to 80
mph. Unfortunately, I have to level off to stay out of the Class
B airspace, but it certainly feels as if it want to keep on climbing.
I fly a rectangular pattern around the airport and check the
control responses. I had only used a very little bit of trim
adjustment from the measured spot detailed in the construction
manual. That was good. Control response incredibly light and
effective - much more so than the Aeronca. Rudder authority is
good. I let go of the stick to see if the wing rigging is
proper. It stays level hands off. "Remember to breathe" the
Flight advisor had told me. I do - through a huge smile. I
think to myself "I built this thing and it is flying!" I am
experiencing no fear, no apprehension, and no desire to return to
earth. But, my flight plan says that I must. After 1/2 hour it
is time to try the first landing.
As I slow in the pattern, the control response feels solid. I'll
land on runway 17. There is no crosswind and the runway is 8000
feet long, so there is no reason to try and put it on the
numbers. I aim for a spot 1500 feet down, carry a little extra
speed until I am in the flare, and close the throttle. I ended
up with the prettiest little three point landing that you've ever
seen. There was no tendency to swerve or fishtail, and with
minimal braking I was at a stop in about 500 feet. I think that
I am in love.
So, now I have 36 minutes of Kitfox time in my log book. I have
thoroughly enjoyed the building and am looking forward to the
flying. My personal euphoria is exhilarating. All is right with
the world. As so may others on this list have stated... Blue Skies.
Bill Hammond
Parker, Colorado
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Bill,
CONGRATS !!! I'll look forward to flying with you.... Idaho, Colorado,
Arizona... they really are not that far...
It is pretty remarkable when your flying along enjoying the view, listening
to the Rotax choir and feeling how responsive and smooth the controls
feel... then it hits.... I can't believe I built this !!!!
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Hammond
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight N913KF
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Following is another, albeit wordy, story of a first flight in a
brand new Kitfox.
12/5/03 - Denver Colorado
The morning has started cold. Temperature is 9 degrees
Fahrenheit as I leave my house at 4:45am to drive to work at
Denver International Airport. I am a supervisor in the FAA
approach control. I need to get to work by 5:30 to set the
arrival flow for all the airliners inbound from the east coast.
But, my mind is elsewhere. I am thinking of the Kitfox Series 6
that I have been building for the last two years. It is sitting
in a hangar at FTG Front Range airport - about seven miles away
from DEN and tucked into a corner below the Class B airspace.
N913KF had been issued her airworthiness certificate on 11/10/03.
About five hours were showing on the Hobbs meter as a result of
engine runup and taxi testing. Would today be the day? I felt
that the aircraft was ready, but was I? I had never been
airborne in a Kitfox. I have logged over 4500 hours in the last
27 years, but all of it was in production aircraft. I have been
keeping current in an Aeronca Champ while I have been building
the Kitfox. I felt capable. I had consulted with my EAA chapter
flight advisor. I had confidence in the aircraft construction
and rigging after the taxi tests, but that first flight in a new
aircraft is an awfully big step.
At the approach control, I check the weather, NOTAMS, and airport
conditions before setting the day's arrival rate. It is good
VFR, only a slight breeze from the southeast, and all the runways
and taxiways are open. I call Denver Center and tell them to
give me a flow for four runways, visual approaches, land south
and east with no restrictions. I can almost see the Traffic
Management Coordinator smile - even though he is 60 miles away in
Longmont Colorado. I have just given him the permission to throw
160 airplanes per hour at me and my approach controllers. No
other airport in the world can eat aluminum like DEN can! The
folks at Denver Center know that it will be impossible for them
to find enough aircraft to meet this demand, but they will
certainly come close for short periods. I can only imagine how
the airlines' bean counters will be smiling - along with the
30,000 people that will travel through DEN today without any
delays or cancellations. I think to myself - gee, this decision
made by me, a lowly government employee, will have a positive
economic impact on a whole bunch of people today. I hope that
they keep paying their taxes so I can keep drawing my salary. I
also hope to make it hard on the flight crews to try and use the
excuse "Ladies and gentlemen, we have an ATC delay...." There's
nothing like good VFR to make all out lives easier. And these
light winds are favorable for a taildragger.... Enough, back to
business.
The first morning inbound rush is down and at the gates when I am
joined in the Tracon by another supervisor. Would he mind if I
skipped out today and went flying? He is agreeable, but the 9
degree temperature makes the thought a little uncomfortable. I
decide to get a session of proficiency time working final
approach during the next rush. MAybe it will warm up.
I key up 123.85, set my radar scope the way that I like it and
buckle in. Final approach can be like a roller coaster ride.
There are times of great buildup followed by a wild ride until it
ends. Unlike a video game, you can't hit pause and you can't ask
anyone to stop. Just like they tell you at the carnival "keep
your hands and feet inside the ride until it comes to a complete
stop." Away we go. "United 44 heavy, approach, reduce speed to
170 then descend and maintain 8,000." "Skywest 7036 turn right
heading 080, traffic two o'clock 3 miles on final a Boeing 737.
Report traffic in sight." "Frontier 583 turn right heading 140,
maintain 170 knots to JETSN, clear for visual approach runway 16
right." "United 1403 contact tower won tree fife point tree
(135.3) So long."
It is a pretty smooth session today. My turns are timely,
spacing is good, the lineup is aesthetically pleasing on the
radar scope. I am feeling pretty self confident. What is the
wind? One six zero at eight - that is a fine wind for a first
flight. I'm outta here! As the last airliners are sent to
tower, I combine my radar position to another controller, sign
for the leave, and drive to FTG. This will be the day after all.
The temperature is now about 35 and N913KF does not protest as I
pull the cowl off and give a preflight as if my life depended on
it, because it does. The airport Crash-Fire-Rescue crew comes to
the hangar at my invitation as I explain what I am going to do,
show them how to work the door latches, and where the master and
ignition switches are located. They offer to stand by for the
flight and I heartily agree. Self preservation has a way of
hedging all bets. Two friends from work drive up to witness the
event. I am not sure if they are here for support or to manage a
betting pool whose outcome is determined by my ultimate success.
The Rotax 912S starts in the cold air, but is reluctant to
smooth out for the first 30 seconds. Finally, it purrs its
cadence and I start the long taxi to runway 17.
By the time I get to the runway, the engine temperatures are
normal and everything feels right. Out come the checklists as I
prepare to make my own personal history. Finally, it is time.
No excuses. In the words of astronaut Gus Grissom I mumble to
myself the test pilot's prayer - "O Lord, please don't let me
f*** up!" The throttle moves forward. Before I can get it to
the stop, the tail has come up. Oh Yah!! Tracking is straight as
the airplane very quickly gets light on the wheels. Now,
according to my script, I am supposed to make note of the
indicated airspeed so that I will have it as a basis later for
the landing approach. I confess, I missed it. By the time I
look down at the airspeed, I am already in the air! Ed Downs was
right - this thing is really a high performance airplane in
disguise. I put the nose in what I consider to be a comfortable
spot for climb and glance at the speed. I am already up to 80
mph. Unfortunately, I have to level off to stay out of the Class
B airspace, but it certainly feels as if it want to keep on climbing.
I fly a rectangular pattern around the airport and check the
control responses. I had only used a very little bit of trim
adjustment from the measured spot detailed in the construction
manual. That was good. Control response incredibly light and
effective - much more so than the Aeronca. Rudder authority is
good. I let go of the stick to see if the wing rigging is
proper. It stays level hands off. "Remember to breathe" the
Flight advisor had told me. I do - through a huge smile. I
think to myself "I built this thing and it is flying!" I am
experiencing no fear, no apprehension, and no desire to return to
earth. But, my flight plan says that I must. After 1/2 hour it
is time to try the first landing.
As I slow in the pattern, the control response feels solid. I'll
land on runway 17. There is no crosswind and the runway is 8000
feet long, so there is no reason to try and put it on the
numbers. I aim for a spot 1500 feet down, carry a little extra
speed until I am in the flare, and close the throttle. I ended
up with the prettiest little three point landing that you've ever
seen. There was no tendency to swerve or fishtail, and with
minimal braking I was at a stop in about 500 feet. I think that
I am in love.
So, now I have 36 minutes of Kitfox time in my log book. I have
thoroughly enjoyed the building and am looking forward to the
flying. My personal euphoria is exhilarating. All is right with
the world. As so may others on this list have stated... Blue Skies.
Bill Hammond
Parker, Colorado
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| Subject: | insurance price adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Kurt,
I use AOPA and the insurance is through AIG. They didn't have a problem
adding someone to the insurance as a pilot. Still can't carry them as a
passenger.
I agree that the insurance is well out of control. More to come on that
issue.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I tried to add my friend "the brave pilot" who did the
first test flight on my plane. The insurance company
said that all other people, beside myself, are
considered "passengers" until the 40 hrs are complete,
thus illegal and uninsured people.
The first 30 minutes on my plane were totally
uninsured. Until they will reasonably insure me in
it, I'll take the risk rather than reward them. Other
opinions welcome.
Kurt S.
--- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Charles,
> You may want to look at adding your friend
> as a named pilot on the policy.
> If he has 600+ hrs in type then it shouldn't effect
> the insurance much if
> any.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of charles b cook
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook
> <cookflys@juno.com>
>
> Just thought I would throw this out.
> Some of the insurance companies will give you a 9%
> rebate as soon as you
> fly the first 20 hrs off your aircraft. YOU must
> call them for this
> rebate. There is another 9% when you have 160 hrs in
> type of aircraft.
>
> If you are building and looking for insurance one
> thing that caught my
> attention is some of the policies do not cover a
> test pilot other than
> the owner. Sounds strange but I have a friend who is
> willing to help on
> the initial flying who has 600+ hrs in kitfoxes and
> if I elected for him
> to do a test flight he is not covered until the 40
> hrs are flown off.
> Liability coverage would be in place but no hull or
> medical and life.
> Charles Cook
> 363kf
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Lmar,
Which aircraft ???
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lmar
Subject: Kitfox-List: mechanical elevator trim
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <Lmar@direcway.com>
Does anyone use a Bowen cable mechanical elevator trim system. it should be
real easy, but after replacing my inner cable twice and the inner and outer
once, the inner cable broke again with less that 25 hrs. I think that the
last brakeage was helped along previously by a pair of pliers. The trim tab
has always been very difficult to move full range when all attached.
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Gary,, what was the cost of the strut covers,, shipping and all..I assume
they came from skystar or are they aftermarket type things. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Ron
>
> My Lite2 always flew right wing low and after recommendations by the List
I
> fitted a balsa wedge under my left flaperons and this helped a lot. I also
> adjusted my struts to give my right wing a higher angle of attack and this
> fixed it but I didn't like the unequal setup.
>
> More recently I purchased the plastic airfoiled covers for my lift struts
> and I found that by just angling them slightly like ailerons the problem
was
> fixed. Ie) on the right (low) wing I have the airfoil lift strut with a
> positive angle of attack and on the left wing (high) I have a slightly
> negative angle of attack.
>
> Plane flies perfectly true now
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Prop info needed
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As
Jeff
> reminds me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big
> difference and I should have mentioned it before.
>
> Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't
believe
> I said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only
trying
> to dip the right wing all of the time.
>
> Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like
size,
> and exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining
what
> worked. This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on
> the bottom of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would
make
> it rise more, but what do I know?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 Oregon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jimshumaker
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Prop info needed
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ron
>
> Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
> Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
> the
> flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
> balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
> wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise.
This
> can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side
will
> also work.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm
> -
> Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems
to
> be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
> flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
> disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
> were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on
> the
> surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
> >
> > I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that
are
> protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end
> of
> the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the
top
> &
> bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates
as
> intended.
> >
> > HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at
> all
> times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that
> this
> is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the
> washout
> should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
> then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the
washout
> should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am
> now.
> This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the
> lift.
> Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of
days,
> but I am now optimistic.
> >
> > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a
new
> 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
> 3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd
> rather
> take advise from those much more experienced.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3 - Oregon
> >
> >
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Blades measure 31 1/2 inches from clamping groove to tip. Number stamped
near hub end is B745. I don't know why you don't just by a two bladed hub
and use these blades as is. I think 3 bladed props are all overrated. Only
reason for more than 2 blades is to couple more Horsepower to the thrust
stream of air and you don't need that with a 582. An extra blade just
creates more drag than it benifits in thrust. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Bob, if you would send me some info on the blades, like length, condition,
model (if there is such a thing), ground adjustable?, etc., so that I can
get prices for the third blade & hub. and have them balance matched.
Because it was used on a 912, I wonder if it would be too much for a 582???
How are these props on a KF/582, do you know?
>
> Someone commented that IVO & Warp 3-blades are better than the 3-blade
GSC, but I'm not sure why.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Unternaehrer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
> 912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob U.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
<<I tried to add my friend "the brave pilot" who did the
first test flight on my plane. The insurance company
said that all other people, beside myself, are
considered "passengers" until the 40 hrs are complete,
thus illegal and uninsured people>>
I thought that passengers were not allowed untill after the 40 hours,,, thus
insurance would probably be void if carrying a passenger Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I tried to add my friend "the brave pilot" who did the
> first test flight on my plane. The insurance company
> said that all other people, beside myself, are
> considered "passengers" until the 40 hrs are complete,
> thus illegal and uninsured people.
>
> The first 30 minutes on my plane were totally
> uninsured. Until they will reasonably insure me in
> it, I'll take the risk rather than reward them. Other
> opinions welcome.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> > <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> > Charles,
> > You may want to look at adding your friend
> > as a named pilot on the policy.
> > If he has 600+ hrs in type then it shouldn't effect
> > the insurance much if
> > any.
> >
> > Blue Skies!!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> > Behalf Of charles b cook
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: insurance price adjustment
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook
> > <cookflys@juno.com>
> >
> > Just thought I would throw this out.
> > Some of the insurance companies will give you a 9%
> > rebate as soon as you
> > fly the first 20 hrs off your aircraft. YOU must
> > call them for this
> > rebate. There is another 9% when you have 160 hrs in
> > type of aircraft.
> >
> > If you are building and looking for insurance one
> > thing that caught my
> > attention is some of the policies do not cover a
> > test pilot other than
> > the owner. Sounds strange but I have a friend who is
> > willing to help on
> > the initial flying who has 600+ hrs in kitfoxes and
> > if I elected for him
> > to do a test flight he is not covered until the 40
> > hrs are flown off.
> > Liability coverage would be in place but no hull or
> > medical and life.
> > Charles Cook
> > 363kf
>
> __________________________________
>
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Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Ron,
Example: Fly the aircraft straight and level cruise power.
Holding the wings level with the control stick remove your feet from the
rudders. Does the aircraft yaw left, right or is the ball centered.
Go back to straight and level flight.
Holding the ball centered with your feet release the control stick. Does the
aircraft roll left, right or fly level.
The reason for this exercise is to determine if yaw is causing the roll or
if it's the wing. An aircraft out of rig in the yaw axis can and does create
a turning tendency.
If you have right roll caused by the wing then you can either increase the
angle of the right wing thereby creating more lift and drag or decrease the
angle of the left wing thereby reducing lift and drag.
To increase the lift of the right wing, extend the rod end on the forward
right lift strut only not the rear lift strut. By changing both the front
and rear lift strut you change dihedral of that wing.
Hope this makes sense
This is not an uncommon thing. Cessna has cams in the root section of the
wing to adjust the angle of incidence.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Thanks for the ideas, Gary. I have already adjusted my lift struts to add
lift to the right wing, and remove lift from the left wing. These
adjustments were only slight, so not to have too much difference (if I get
any change at all). By slight, I mean I took made one full turn on each of
the four lift strut adjusters. We're talking only thousands of an inch
each.
My wooden lift strut fairings are already installed, so it would be tough to
change these at this time. I now have a few suggestions that I will play
with, and test fly when the weather clears.
Thanks,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ron
My Lite2 always flew right wing low and after recommendations by the List
I
fitted a balsa wedge under my left flaperons and this helped a lot. I also
adjusted my struts to give my right wing a higher angle of attack and this
fixed it but I didn't like the unequal setup.
More recently I purchased the plastic airfoiled covers for my lift struts
and I found that by just angling them slightly like ailerons the problem
was
fixed. Ie) on the right (low) wing I have the airfoil lift strut with a
positive angle of attack and on the left wing (high) I have a slightly
negative angle of attack.
Plane flies perfectly true now
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As
Jeff
reminds me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big
difference and I should have mentioned it before.
Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't
believe
I said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only
trying
to dip the right wing all of the time.
Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like
size,
and exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining
what
worked. This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on
the bottom of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would
make
it rise more, but what do I know?
Thanks again,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise.
This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side
will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm
-
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems
to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on
the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that
are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end
of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the
top
&
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates
as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at
all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that
this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the
washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the
washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am
now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the
lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of
days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a
new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd
rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Lets not confuse pumps..... 582 and the 912 use entirely different
pumps.....
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R & L Ainsworth
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Fuel pumps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R & L Ainsworth" <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz>
Regarding the posts on Mikuni fuel pump failure modes.My personal experience
has shown another failure mode, apart from the pulse line failure and that
is an internal failure of the pump.
In June 97 I had taken a friend to look at his home and as we were climbing
away thru 700 feet the engine went from 6000 rpm to 5000 rpm for 2-3 second
and then stopped completely .Landed in paddock. No damage.
On inspection of engine found small hole in top of rear piston and rebuilt
top end of engine.
However when the Rotax run in procedure was tried the engine ran rough and
would not rev above aprox 4000 rpm.
After much fiddling/thinking the fuel pump was dis assembled and inspected
with no obvious fault.
Pump refitted with same result.
New pump fitted ,engine breakin completed, no problem.
Conclusions-----Don't count on your engine continuing to run if your pump
fails in this way.
As the engine leaned out it melted the rear piston.We don't have a primer
and I don't know if this would have helped anyway.
Regards
Russell Ainsworth Mod 4 582 New Zealand
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Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
This will be an excellent exercise, John. I'll try it during my next test flight,
which will be when the weather breaks on Monday (I hope). This test will
tell me a lot, and I'll advise you of my findings.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: JMCBEAN
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
- Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Ron,
Example: Fly the aircraft straight and level cruise power.
Holding the wings level with the control stick remove your feet from the
rudders. Does the aircraft yaw left, right or is the ball centered.
Go back to straight and level flight.
Holding the ball centered with your feet release the control stick. Does the
aircraft roll left, right or fly level.
The reason for this exercise is to determine if yaw is causing the roll or
if it's the wing. An aircraft out of rig in the yaw axis can and does create
a turning tendency.
If you have right roll caused by the wing then you can either increase the
angle of the right wing thereby creating more lift and drag or decrease the
angle of the left wing thereby reducing lift and drag.
To increase the lift of the right wing, extend the rod end on the forward
right lift strut only not the rear lift strut. By changing both the front
and rear lift strut you change dihedral of that wing.
Hope this makes sense
This is not an uncommon thing. Cessna has cams in the root section of the
wing to adjust the angle of incidence.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Thanks for the ideas, Gary. I have already adjusted my lift struts to add
lift to the right wing, and remove lift from the left wing. These
adjustments were only slight, so not to have too much difference (if I get
any change at all). By slight, I mean I took made one full turn on each of
the four lift strut adjusters. We're talking only thousands of an inch
each.
My wooden lift strut fairings are already installed, so it would be tough to
change these at this time. I now have a few suggestions that I will play
with, and test fly when the weather clears.
Thanks,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ron
My Lite2 always flew right wing low and after recommendations by the List
I
fitted a balsa wedge under my left flaperons and this helped a lot. I also
adjusted my struts to give my right wing a higher angle of attack and this
fixed it but I didn't like the unequal setup.
More recently I purchased the plastic airfoiled covers for my lift struts
and I found that by just angling them slightly like ailerons the problem
was
fixed. Ie) on the right (low) wing I have the airfoil lift strut with a
positive angle of attack and on the left wing (high) I have a slightly
negative angle of attack.
Plane flies perfectly true now
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Jim, thanks for your suggestions regarding the washout & the prop. As
Jeff
reminds me, I forgot to say that my KF3 is 582 powered. It makes a big
difference and I should have mentioned it before.
Your comment that I had said the plane used to fly balanced, I don't
believe
I said that. As long as I've had it, it flown screwy. Now its only
trying
to dip the right wing all of the time.
Tell me more about adding a wedge to the drooping wing. Things like
size,
and exactly where you put it, and how you attached it after determining
what
worked. This would be a neat way to go. Are you sure I should put it on
the bottom of the wing that wants to rise??? It would seem this would
make
it rise more, but what do I know?
Thanks again,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ron
Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
the
flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise.
This
can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side
will
also work.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm
-
Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Well, I think my problem has finally been solved, and the plane seems
to
be flying much better. The problem was caused by a delaminated right
flaperon. By that I mean that the foam 'ribs' inside the flaperon were
disintegrated by gasoline that had entered the flaperon. When the flaps
were deployed the spar rotated, but apparently the strong wind forces on
the
surface of the flaperon prevented it from rotating as much as the spar.
>
> I opened up the flaperon, replaced the ribs with new foam ribs that
are
protected with epoxy resin. I also made a wood rib for the inboard end
of
the flaperon, then glued that to the spar & skin, and then screwed the
top
&
bottom skins to it. The flaperon system is now very snug, and operates
as
intended.
>
> HOWEVER, the plane still has a strong tendency to roll to the right at
all
times (not just when the flap are deployed). I am nearly certain that
this
is caused by the washout of the wings. According to the plans, the
washout
should be done initially so that each wing matches the other. The plans
then go on to say that actual flight should then determine if the
washout
should be fine tuned to suit the particular plane. That is where I am
now.
This afternoon I tweaked the lift struts in an attempt to even out the
lift.
Because of the weather I may not be able to test it for a couple of
days,
but I am now optimistic.
>
> Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy a
new
3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding various
3-blade props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd
rather
take advise from those much more experienced.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3 - Oregon
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
It won't fit a 582 as the 582 engine turns in the opposite direction than
the 912.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Cliff, I sent this to email address shown, but it bounced.
>
> Try this . . .
>
> Ron Carroll
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Carroll
> To: CLIFFH@odrs.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> Floran, will it fit a 582 hub?? Price? Condition?
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Floran Higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
> I have a three bladed GSC prop that I removed from a 912 UL. The hub has
> about 500 hrs and the blades has about 100 hrs. It would not fit on the
912
> ULS.
> If someone wants it I'll sell it cheap.
> Contact me off line at: CLIFFH@odrs.net
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
> > 912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob
U.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
> <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Ron,
> > >
> > > 3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But
I
> > stuck with
> > > a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me
a
> > very good
> > > deal quite a few years ago.
> > >
> > > Cheers, bh
> > >
> > > > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy
a
> new
> > > 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding
various
> > 3-blade
> > > props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
> take
> > advise
> > > from those much more experienced.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Ron Carroll
> > > > KF3 - Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---
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> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Michel I got pictures of the skis you wanted to see. They are in www.sportflight.com under add on/mods. they are made in Wisconsin but I think anyone can make them. they are made with square tubing with a nylon bottom. I will buy a set when I find his name and phone number again. Gene N99GC
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Lowell
You are, of course correct. It is the first choice for correction and can
actually correct quite a roll. The flaperon trim tab is a quick and dirty
method of correcting the rigging, and the wedge under the flaperon is even
dirtier and quicker. In fact the wedge method takes about 10 minutes to
apply and 5 minutes to adjust. I'm probably just lazy, but I'd rather spend
my time flying than building.
I tried adding twist to my wing with some effect and then tried trimming the
flaperons. Trimming the flaperons corrected the heavy wing and the screwy
flying (unpredictable and or inconsistent adverse yaw). So with the screwy
flying, one rebuilt rib and a heavy wing I just really feel that balancing
the flaperons would be my first step in correcting Ron's problem and then
look at the amount of trim required and then consider changing angle of
incidence. If the problem is more in the wings than in the flaperons then I
believe that correcting the heavy wing with the flaperon it will show up as
a displaced (uncentered) stick. Then I would adjust the incidence.
As John McBean pointed out, there will need to be a little test flying
reasoning and deduction required. Getting the wings to fly level may just
be the first step in trimming the rigging. I know I'm still working on mine
(500+ hours).
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Jim, I respectfully disagree on this point. Maybe it depends on the
amount
> of correction needed. I was able to eliminate a heavy left wing by
> decreasing angle of attack on the right wing. Granted it was not a major
> change as I had been flying with the heavy wing for 500 hours, but finally
> changed it after taking an 87 year old friend up who had tons of hours as
a
> pilot, most of them flight testing aircraft after maintenance. He was an
> A&P also. He kept talking about it and I want to take him up again and
just
> didn't want to have it as a distraction for him.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > Forget the washout. The wing is so stiff it can hardly be adjusted.
> > Besides, you said that the plane used to fly balanced. I suspect that
> the
> > flaperons are now just very slightly asymetrical. All you need to do is
> > balance them with a trim tab or wedge. It is easy to test by placing a
> > wedge of material on the bottom rear of the wing that wants to rise.
This
> > can be stuck on with double sided tape. A small trim tab on one side
will
> > also work.
> >
> > Jim Shumaker
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Now Prop info needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Well, we tried. Thanks anyway,
Ron Carroll
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Floran Higgins
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
It won't fit a 582 as the 582 engine turns in the opposite direction than
the 912.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Cliff, I sent this to email address shown, but it bounced.
>
> Try this . . .
>
> Ron Carroll
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Carroll
> To: CLIFFH@odrs.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> Floran, will it fit a 582 hub?? Price? Condition?
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Floran Higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
> I have a three bladed GSC prop that I removed from a 912 UL. The hub has
> about 500 hrs and the blades has about 100 hrs. It would not fit on the
912
> ULS.
> If someone wants it I'll sell it cheap.
> Contact me off line at: CLIFFH@odrs.net
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > I have two good blades off a GSC prop that was on a kitfox IV , rotax
> > 912,,,, But NO HUB... I'd take $20 each plus shipping for them. Bob
U.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
> <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Ron,
> > >
> > > 3 bladed IVO and Warp seem to do better than the 3 bladed GSC. But
I
> > stuck with
> > > a replacement GSC due to the price. One of the list members gave me
a
> > very good
> > > deal quite a few years ago.
> > >
> > > Cheers, bh
> > >
> > > > Now that I feel the plane will be alright, I will go ahead and buy
a
> new
> > > 3-blade prop for it. I would like to ask for opinions regarding
various
> > 3-blade
> > > props on the market. I don't want to make a mistake now, I'd rather
> take
> > advise
> > > from those much more experienced.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Ron Carroll
> > > > KF3 - Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | First Flight N913KF |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Bill,
Thanks for sharing your first flight experience. We were there with you as
we read the words. Congratulations on a good build and a good first flight.
Do we have pics of your plane? If not, upload them to sportflight.com under
completions.
Don Pearsall
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