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1. 12:59 AM - Re: Avid skis (michel)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: Now Prop info needed (broschart)
3. 02:12 AM - Re: Bird Strike (broschart)
4. 02:59 AM - Re: Unfriendly ATC (michel)
5. 04:02 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Wwillyard@aol.com)
6. 04:45 AM - Re: Skis (michel)
7. 05:06 AM - Re: Skis (dmorisse)
8. 05:19 AM - Re: Skis (Bob Unternaehrer)
9. 05:19 AM - Re: Avid skis (Bob Unternaehrer)
10. 05:56 AM - Re: Strut covers (Gary Algate)
11. 06:01 AM - Re: Skis (Gary Algate)
12. 06:05 AM - Re: Tailwheel ski WAS: Short flight (Gary Algate)
13. 06:41 AM - Re: Skis (michel)
14. 06:43 AM - Re: Avid skis (michel)
15. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Strut covers (Vic Jacko)
16. 06:47 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Peter Graichen)
17. 06:50 AM - Re: Skis (michel)
18. 06:50 AM - Re: Skis (Kurt A. Schumacher)
19. 06:51 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Peter Graichen)
20. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Strut covers (Gary Algate)
21. 06:54 AM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Peter Graichen)
22. 06:55 AM - Re: Skis (Gary Algate)
23. 07:19 AM - Metars on wireless web ()
24. 07:36 AM - Re: Skis (Grant Fluent)
25. 07:49 AM - Re: Skis (Grant Fluent)
26. 08:23 AM - Re: Skis (Randy Daughenbaugh)
27. 08:23 AM - Re: Avid skis (Randy Daughenbaugh)
28. 08:26 AM - Ski photos (Gary Algate)
29. 09:07 AM - Re: First Flight N913KF (W Duke)
30. 10:01 AM - Banks Brothers (Arthur Nation)
31. 10:59 AM - Re: Skis (Kurt A. Schumacher)
32. 11:11 AM - Re: Skis (Kurt A. Schumacher)
33. 11:25 AM - Re: Skis (Michel Verheughe)
34. 11:58 AM - Ski Photos (Gary Algate)
35. 12:00 PM - Re: Avid skis (Michel Verheughe)
36. 12:04 PM - Re: Skis (David & Maria Lumgair)
37. 12:09 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Floran Higgins)
38. 12:15 PM - Re: Skis (Torgeir Mortensen)
39. 12:34 PM - Re: Subject (Gary Algate)
40. 12:42 PM - Re: Ski Photos (Torgeir Mortensen)
41. 12:46 PM - Re: Skis (Randy Daughenbaugh)
42. 12:57 PM - Re: Ski Photos (Gary Algate)
43. 01:10 PM - Skis (Gary Algate)
44. 01:25 PM - Swiss skis (Michel Verheughe)
45. 02:02 PM - Re: Ski Photos (Michel Verheughe)
46. 02:09 PM - OT: Up north WAS: Skis (Michel Verheughe)
47. 02:09 PM - Re: Subject (Don Pearsall)
48. 02:13 PM - Re: Swiss skis (Kurt A. Schumacher)
49. 02:20 PM - Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Steve M)
50. 02:38 PM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (flier)
51. 02:45 PM - Re: Banks Brothers (NSI AERO)
52. 02:48 PM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Torgeir Mortensen)
53. 04:10 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Rick)
54. 04:29 PM - Ups and Downs of the a/c business..... (sid)
55. 04:37 PM - Hmmmmnnn, not a bad idea........ (sid)
56. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Strut covers (Bob Unternaehrer)
57. 05:36 PM - Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - Now Pr... (Bruce Harrington)
58. 05:37 PM - Flaperon repair (cnichols)
59. 05:55 PM - Re: Flaperon repair (Dee Young)
60. 06:56 PM - Re: Flaperon repair (gene m. calkins)
61. 09:10 PM - Re: Flaperon repair (Ceashman@aol.com)
62. 09:20 PM - Grove Aircraft's outstanding service (Tom Tomlin)
63. 09:25 PM - DC-3 flown 2/3 of the years since the 100th Anniversary of flight. (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
64. 10:57 PM - Re: DC-3 flown 2/3 of the years since the 100th Anniversary of flight. (Ted Palamarek)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Dear helping listers,
I exchanged a couple of emails with Steve Winder of Airdale and unfortunately
the Avid wheel penetration snow skis won't fit my wheels. Although it matches
my wheel size and axle diameter, my balloon tyres are simply too wide to fit
in the penetration hole. So, I am back to square one and thinking of building
my own.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Now Prop info needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i just used the feeler gage to set the pitch and it seemed smooth so
flew it without further measuring
i had a gsc wood 3 blade one which looked very nice but after 2 seasons
it needed refinishing which only lasted another 2 seasons, and i had to
paint the rear surface so i could see through it with the sun in the
rear of the plane
i found the wood prop very difficult to set even and after awhile i just
give up and go with it as it is, then there is the problem of the wood
compressing and the hub has to be sanded down 10 thousands
i couldn't get the tips to run with in the alignment spec until someone
said if you stand beside the prop when it is running you will see that
they line themselves up so i no longer worry about that setting
Have a good day - Charlie
Ron Carroll wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Charlie, I currently have a 2-blade Powerfin on my plane, and find it a little
harder to adjust. My problem is that while using a feeler gauge is nice, things
change slightly when the blades are torqued, as evidenced by the use of a
bubble protractor. I just use the bubble machine from the get-go so that I
don't have to do it twice.
>
> The reason I'm interested in a 3-blade prop is because the 2-blade I have is
about 2 or 3 inches too short. To compensate it must have too much pitch dialed
in to load the engine properly, affecting my take-off & climb.
>
> I can get one new blade and a 3-blade hub from Powerfin. They will cut off my
existing two blades to match & balance the new third blade. The cost for parts
& labor is nearly the cost of a new prop. This is why I asked for recommendations
for prop preferences. If I buy a whole new prop I can sell the old
one and get some of the cost back.
>
> Ron Carroll
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: broschart
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Now Prop info needed
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> i think you would like the Powerfin prop's feeler gage adjustment method
> better than the other methods used by other makes
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
better be careful or the friends of animals will get you
Have a good day - Charlie
dmorisse wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Bounced msg sent to old list.
> Darrel
> List Janitor
>
> To: "Kitfox@Sportflight.Com" <kitfox@sportflight.com>
> Subject: Bird Strike on Model IV Being Built
> List
>
> Thought I would share my unfortunate experience today with a large bird. It
think it was what we in Texas call a Grakle. I had just finished sanding after
the second coat of Poly Spray on my rudder and was complimenting myself on a
job well done. As a reward I decided it was time for a break. So leaving my
garage door open I went into the house and sat in my favorite chair and relaxed
for about 15 minutes. When I returned to the garage, much to my disbelieve,
this bird was sitting on my beautiful rudder pecking away. I didn't know that
birds like Poly Spay. Perhaps he was looking for UV protection. It does not
appear that the pecking did any real damage. However, in the process of doing
my level best to commit murder with a broom, this beast landed on my rudder
with surch force that his claws tore a 1/2" hole in the rudder. So now I am
trying to decide whether to patch this hole and forever be reminded of this now
deceased critter or to recover the whole rudder.
>
> No need for anyone to be concerned that this bird might attach your airplane.
He is no longer capable.
>
> Maybe by tomorrow I will be able to laugh about this.
>
> Jimmie
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
>Michel, good to here you are getting on so well with your Fox.
Thanks, Chris. Yes, I have a lot of fun with my "loved one."
About ATC, the military and Britain, I have no experience in the air but - as
you may know - I have sailed a lot in the Channel and I have always (except
once) sailed on the English side. Mostly because of the coastal radio
stations, although French is my mother tongue. The British Coast Guards offer
such a nice service, much better than the French. I am sure they are both
professional and will perform a SAR action of equal quality. But the French
operators (Cape Gris-Nez, Cherbour, Ouessant) are youngsters, not too polite.
On the other hand, the British Coast Guards are elderly officers operating the
channel 16 watch. When you're out there, sailing single-handed in a gale, and
in the most trafficated waterway of the world, it's nice to hear the
recomforting voice of a very polite and well-manered British Coast Guard
officer. I won't make your situation easier but it sure makes you feel more at
ease!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/2003 12:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RonCarr@qwest.net writes:
> Bill, your message to Lowell states that you use a 70" Powerfin Prop. I am
> using a Powerfin with 2-blades, measuring 70" diameter. However, I must
> dial in an excessive amount of pitch in order to absorb my 582's power. I don't
> know whether to go to a longer 2-blade, or change to a 3-blade.
>
> Do you have a 2 or 3-blade configuration, and what is your engine? It may
> be that you have a larger engine, accounting for the nearly 90 MPH cruise at
> 5500.
>
> According to the Powerfin tech, my 2-blade 70" prop is not long enough for a
> 582. My question to the list has generated so many different opinions that
> I'm not sure what to do. I can order 2 new longer blades from Powerfin to
> replace my existing blades (about $300), or buy 1 shorter blade, a 3-blade hub,
> and send my two in to be shortened & matched to the new one (about $410).
> The only reason I haven't bought 2 new blades (the least expensive route) is
> because I've heard that the 3-blades are smoother and give best all-round
> performance. At 5500 I only get about 75 MPH, a tad short of your 88.
>
> Ron Carroll
>
Ron,
My Powerfin is on a 912. I am no authority on which is smoother other than
my hangar neighbor went from a two blade to a three blade on his Bonanza in the
interest of less vibration. My GSC from SkyStar was a three blade, so I
stayed with this configuration. My understanding that for the 912 at least the
reason for three blades was ground clearance.
Bill W. N20736
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
>Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think of
doing something similar to you.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Very nice Grant. Build them yourself?
Darrel
> Hello All,
>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
> Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Never had an airplane on ski's,,, how do you get them on the dollys.. Can I
assume that the wheel penetration type skis will roll on a hard surface
using the penetrating part of the wheel... Do the skis have to be stabilized
someway while in the air to hold them nearly horizontal... Approximately
what is the angle. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
> Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
> do not archive
>
> --- dmorisse <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > > I built a pair of ski dollies when I was 1/2
> > owner
> > > in an Aeronca Chief with skis. If you're
> > interested, I
> > > have pictures.
> > >
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> > > Classic IV 912S
> >
> > Grant, would you mind posting those pics on
> > Sportflight.com?
> > Darrel
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
How do the wheel penetration skis mount to the airplane.... I've got
cleveland wheels and brakes on mine. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "michel" <michel@online.no>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid skis
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> Dear helping listers,
>
> I exchanged a couple of emails with Steve Winder of Airdale and
unfortunately
> the Avid wheel penetration snow skis won't fit my wheels. Although it
matches
> my wheel size and axle diameter, my balloon tyres are simply too wide to
fit
> in the penetration hole. So, I am back to square one and thinking of
building
> my own.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Strut covers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Bob
Mine are the Skystar strut covers but I purchased them from another List
member in the USA and for the life of me I can't remember his name. I'm sure
he will read this and hopefully drop us a line.
They are PVC and just snap together - I immediately gained 8mph cruise when
I fitted them.
They had to be painted but then took only about 2 hours to fit without
removing the wing struts.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>
Gary,, what was the cost of the strut covers,, shipping and all..I assume
they came from skystar or are they aftermarket type things. Bob U.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Michel
Are you able to take of in-field from the main run way and make use of the
snow there.
They allow us to do this a lot in Canada.
Gary Algate
Lite/582
----->>>>>>>
This is very nice, Darrel, you did an excellent job. But I already have this
kind of skis. The problem is, if I use them:
1) I'll need a dolly to put the plane on in order to get it in the hangar.
2) In March or April, my runway will most probably be barren asphalt but
around us and especially inland, there will still be a lot of snow. I will
then certainly fly but will be afraid to move away from the airfield since
an outfield landing would be very dangerous.
As a last resort, I can change my bungee gears for aluminium ones and use
the type of skis Gene shows us. But it is a costly solution and honestly, I
like the look of the old-fashion bungee gear.
<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Tailwheel ski WAS: Short flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Gene
I have the latest aluminum spring tail wheel gear that is steerable but when
you kick it hard it will release on a dtente. I took the photos yesterday
as I converted over to skis (1-1/2" Hours from start to finish) but left my
camera home. I'll get it at lunch and post the photos later today.
I had a great flight yesterday on skis and did a few field landings. The
lakes are frozen over now but with only 1-1/2" ice its still to thin for me.
I wait until there's a minimum of 6" before I land on the lakes.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gene m. calkins
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel ski WAS: Short flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins"
--> <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Gary I would like to see it too. What kind of tail wheel do you have
steerable or full swivel? Gene N99GC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel ski WAS: Short flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Gary Algate wrote:
> > I made my own tail ski from a piece of 1/4" thick plastic and a
> > piece of aluminium - I will take a couple of photos and send you off
> > list. It was easy and it works really well.
>
> Thank you Gary, I look forward to that.
>
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>Can I assume that the wheel penetration type skis will roll on a hard surface
Yes Bob. The dollies are only needed for "ski-only" configuration.
>Do the skis have to be stabilized someway while in the air
Yes. As you can imagine, a ski flipping downward would be very dangerous. They
are (at least on the one I have now) secured both aft and fore, by wires and
bungees. They should be able to move on the bungees' stretch to compensate at
least for the about 15 degrees a taildragger "rests down."
As I see on the Avid model, the rear end of the ski has a small wheel that
will roll on the ground if there is no snow, or very little of it.
If I make my own design of wheel penetration skis, I'll probably add this: The
aft part of the ski, behind the wheel, will also curl upward. I am afraid that
if it doesn't, much snow will be lifted by the wheel and pile up on the rear
end. But I am not there yet, I still have to consider how to fix such a
penetration ski on the axle.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>How do the wheel penetration skis mount to the airplane....
This is what I try to figure out, Bob. I believe you need support on both
sides of the wheel. It means a new and longer axle, in any case.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Strut covers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Gary, You bought the struts from yours truly. Glad you put them to good
use.
The streamlining of the "round" struts (lift, jury and stab) that are
exposed to the slipstream is the most single mod to increase the speed of
the Kitfox, next in line would be the wheels pants. Lastly would be the
elevator gap seal and the fuel caps.
With 100 or more horsepower available one should be able to increase their
top speed 10 to 15 MPH after they make all the mods!
Vic Jacko,
Roswell, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Strut covers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Bob
>
> Mine are the Skystar strut covers but I purchased them from another List
> member in the USA and for the life of me I can't remember his name. I'm
sure
> he will read this and hopefully drop us a line.
>
> They are PVC and just snap together - I immediately gained 8mph cruise
when
> I fitted them.
>
> They had to be painted but then took only about 2 hours to fit without
> removing the wing struts.
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
> Gary,, what was the cost of the strut covers,, shipping and all..I assume
> they came from skystar or are they aftermarket type things. Bob U.
> <<<<<<<<<
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Please change the Subject line!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Wwillyard@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/2003 12:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RonCarr@qwest.net writes:
> Bill, your message to Lowell states that you use a 70" Powerfin Prop. I
am
> using a Powerfin with 2-blades, measuring 70" diameter. However, I must
> dial in an excessive amount of pitch in order to absorb my 582's power. I
don't
> know whether to go to a longer 2-blade, or change to a 3-blade.
>
> Do you have a 2 or 3-blade configuration, and what is your engine? It may
> be that you have a larger engine, accounting for the nearly 90 MPH cruise
at
> 5500.
>
> According to the Powerfin tech, my 2-blade 70" prop is not long enough for
a
> 582. My question to the list has generated so many different opinions
that
> I'm not sure what to do. I can order 2 new longer blades from Powerfin to
> replace my existing blades (about $300), or buy 1 shorter blade, a 3-blade
hub,
> and send my two in to be shortened & matched to the new one (about $410).
> The only reason I haven't bought 2 new blades (the least expensive route)
is
> because I've heard that the 3-blades are smoother and give best all-round
> performance. At 5500 I only get about 75 MPH, a tad short of your 88.
>
> Ron Carroll
>
Ron,
My Powerfin is on a 912. I am no authority on which is smoother other than
my hangar neighbor went from a two blade to a three blade on his Bonanza in
the
interest of less vibration. My GSC from SkyStar was a three blade, so I
stayed with this configuration. My understanding that for the 912 at least
the
reason for three blades was ground clearance.
Bill W. N20736
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>Are you able to take of in-field from the main run way and make use of the
>snow there.
In principle, yes, Gary. But since I live near the coast (the airfield is only
90 ft ASL) we don't get that much snow and by late winter, over the black
asphalt, it will melt away pretty quick. However, we may still have over two
meters snow in the hollow of certains valleys. As you know, snow is not an
even cover. I'd hate to have to land in deep snow with only my balloon tyres.
In my humble opinion, the "wheel penetration" skis are the only safe way to
fly in winter Norway.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Michael,
If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss way:
There are something more then a hand full of Avid and Kitfox flying to the glaciers
at 10'000+ ft in Switzerland on a regular base,
some of them have more then 1000 mountain landings. It is not a straight forward
and cheepo solution, most have installed skis as
shown on these pics:
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In/2000/Images/DSC00047.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00225.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00232.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00234.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00235.JPG (12 V hydraulic oil pump!)
Hope this gives an idea.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michel
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
>Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think of
doing something similar to you.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
What doe this have to do with flaperons as stated in the subject line?
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran Higgins
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
I have been following this discussion on props with some interest so I
thought I would put in my 2-cents worth.
When I bought my model 4 Speedster it was already built . It had a 912 UL
and came with a GSC two bladed in-flight adjustable prop and a GSC three
bladed ground adjustable prop. The in-flight adjustable gave very good
performance but it had a vibration in it that I didn't like. I removed it
and installed the three bladed prop. Although It lost some performance the
three bladed was so much smoother I preferred it.
I removed the 912 UL and installed a 912 ULS. I installed a GSC three bladed
ground adjustable prop. This setup has just about the same performance that
I had with the other engine and the in-flight adjustable prop.
I am old fashioned enough that I think an airplane with a round cowl should
have a wooden three bladed prop. I just prefer the looks of it.
I am now retired and am not in that big of a hurry to get someplace. The
performance I am getting with this setup satisfies me completely.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> To quote Tony Bingelis from one of his books, "Use as long a prop as you
can
> for as long as you can." It's my understanding that the most efficient
prop
> is one with only a single blade. Randy Schlitter (hey, just because he
> builds a different airplane doesn't mean he's nuts) says in his
promotional
> material that he's never seen a 3-blade prop perform better than a 2-blade
> one. Apparently the only reason to go to a 3-blade prop is if you don't
> have enough clearance to use a 2-blade prop long enough to give you the
> proper bite. The only thing I don't understand from the above has to do
> with the maximum amount of pitch which can be dialed in. Obviously at som
e
> point the blade's "angle of attack" would become too great for efficient
> flying, or so it would appear to me.
>
> Clem Nichols
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Pr...
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > Bill, your message to Lowell states that you use a 70" Powerfin Prop. I
> am using a Powerfin with 2-blades, measuring 70" diameter. However, I
must
> dial in an excessive amount of pitch in order to absorb my 582's power. I
> don't know whether to go to a longer 2-blade, or change to a 3-blade.
> >
> > Do you have a 2 or 3-blade configuration, and what is your engine? It
may
> be that you have a larger engine, accounting for the nearly 90 MPH cruise
at
> 5500.
> >
> > According to the Powerfin tech, my 2-blade 70" prop is not long enough
for
> a 582. My question to the list has generated so many different opinions
> that I'm not sure what to do. I can order 2 new longer blades from
Powerfin
> to replace my existing blades (about $300), or buy 1 shorter blade, a
> 3-blade hub, and send my two in to be shortened & matched to the new one
> (about $410). The only reason I haven't bought 2 new blades (the least
> expensive route) is because I've heard that the 3-blades are smoother and
> give best all-round performance. At 5500 I only get about 75 MPH, a tad
> short of your 88.
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > do not archive
> > #################
> > Lowell
> >
> > There may be some truth to the round cowl effect although I have nothing
> to
> > base this on other than talk on the list. Unlike what appears to be the
> goal
> > of a number of Kitfox builders, speed at cruse was not a concern and for
> this
> > reason I went 68" to the 70" diameter with the Powerfin. I chose this
prop
> over
> > the warp drive largely because of its weight. There may be better
choices
> > but compared to the GSC, this has proven to be a very low maintenance
prop
> for
> > me. I dialed my prop into give me what I felt was a comfortable cruse
> speed at
> > 5500 RPM. With this setting I indicate about 88 to 89 MPH and can
easily
> > exceed engine red line in level flight. When I tried to achieve higher
> curse
> > speeds, with either prop, I found that I would start to have low fuel
> indications
> > at the header tank when the wing tanks were less than half full do to
the
> > somewhat negative angle of attack to maintain level flight. My prior
> Cessna
> > flight time and the very sensitive rudder on the Kitfox also resulted in
> frequently
> > poor flight coordination during this phase of testing which may have
> > contributed to the fuel flow problem. As a result I decided that I
wanted
> a cruse
> > speed that would have the bottom side of the wing approximately level
with
> the
> > horizon. With my current prop setting I can achieve the published climb
> > performance figures and that makes me happy.
> >
> > The bottom line is I fly because I love to fly so if it takes me a
little
> > longer to get to my destination (should I actually have a destination)
so
> much
> > the better.
> >
> > Bill W. N20736
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Strut covers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Vic
As soon as I saw your posting I recognised your name - thanks for coming
back so quickly
Regards and Merry Christmas
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
Do Not Archive
>>>>>>
Gary, You bought the struts from yours truly. Glad you put them to good
use.
The streamlining of the "round" struts (lift, jury and stab) that are
exposed to the slipstream is the most single mod to increase the speed of
the Kitfox, next in line would be the wheels pants. Lastly would be the
elevator gap seal and the fuel caps.
With 100 or more horsepower available one should be able to increase their
top speed 10 to 15 MPH after they make all the mods!
Vic Jacko,
Roswell, NM
>>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Please change the Subject line!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cnichols
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
To quote Tony Bingelis from one of his books, "Use as long a prop as you can
for as long as you can." It's my understanding that the most efficient prop
is one with only a single blade. Randy Schlitter (hey, just because he
builds a different airplane doesn't mean he's nuts) says in his promotional
material that he's never seen a 3-blade prop perform better than a 2-blade
one. Apparently the only reason to go to a 3-blade prop is if you don't
have enough clearance to use a 2-blade prop long enough to give you the
proper bite. The only thing I don't understand from the above has to do
with the maximum amount of pitch which can be dialed in. Obviously at some
point the blade's "angle of attack" would become too great for efficient
flying, or so it would appear to me.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Bill, your message to Lowell states that you use a 70" Powerfin Prop. I
am using a Powerfin with 2-blades, measuring 70" diameter. However, I must
dial in an excessive amount of pitch in order to absorb my 582's power. I
don't know whether to go to a longer 2-blade, or change to a 3-blade.
>
> Do you have a 2 or 3-blade configuration, and what is your engine? It may
be that you have a larger engine, accounting for the nearly 90 MPH cruise at
5500.
>
> According to the Powerfin tech, my 2-blade 70" prop is not long enough for
a 582. My question to the list has generated so many different opinions
that I'm not sure what to do. I can order 2 new longer blades from Powerfin
to replace my existing blades (about $300), or buy 1 shorter blade, a
3-blade hub, and send my two in to be shortened & matched to the new one
(about $410). The only reason I haven't bought 2 new blades (the least
expensive route) is because I've heard that the 3-blades are smoother and
give best all-round performance. At 5500 I only get about 75 MPH, a tad
short of your 88.
>
> Ron Carroll
> do not archive
> #################
> Lowell
>
> There may be some truth to the round cowl effect although I have nothing
to
> base this on other than talk on the list. Unlike what appears to be the
goal
> of a number of Kitfox builders, speed at cruse was not a concern and for
this
> reason I went 68" to the 70" diameter with the Powerfin. I chose this prop
over
> the warp drive largely because of its weight. There may be better choices
> but compared to the GSC, this has proven to be a very low maintenance prop
for
> me. I dialed my prop into give me what I felt was a comfortable cruse
speed at
> 5500 RPM. With this setting I indicate about 88 to 89 MPH and can easily
> exceed engine red line in level flight. When I tried to achieve higher
curse
> speeds, with either prop, I found that I would start to have low fuel
indications
> at the header tank when the wing tanks were less than half full do to the
> somewhat negative angle of attack to maintain level flight. My prior
Cessna
> flight time and the very sensitive rudder on the Kitfox also resulted in
frequently
> poor flight coordination during this phase of testing which may have
> contributed to the fuel flow problem. As a result I decided that I wanted
a cruse
> speed that would have the bottom side of the wing approximately level with
the
> horizon. With my current prop setting I can achieve the published climb
> performance figures and that makes me happy.
>
> The bottom line is I fly because I love to fly so if it takes me a little
> longer to get to my destination (should I actually have a destination) so
much
> the better.
>
> Bill W. N20736
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I think you're probably right Michel. The skis that I purchased from Vic are
also quite wide so they have a lot of flotation in soft snow. Last year I
landed at the end of a lake and got out to walk to the shore and disappeared
in snow up to my arm pits.
Its pretty amazing how well the SkyStar floats work
Gary Algate
Lite2/582s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'd hate to have to land in deep snow with only my balloon tyres. In my
humble opinion, the "wheel penetration" skis are the only safe way to
fly in winter Norway.
Cheers,
Michel
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Metars on wireless web |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
Looking for a good wireless cell phone metar site like cupitt aviation to access
Metars prior and during flights for wx and winds aloft. All the free ones seem
to have disappeared.
Any suggestions.
>
> From: Wwillyard@aol.com
> Date: 2003/12/08 Mon AM 06:02:10 CST
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm
- Now Pr...
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Bob,
When I had the Aeronca Chief, it took two of us to
get the plane on the dollies. One to lift at the wing
strut attach points and the other to roll the dolly
under the ski.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV
--- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@c-magic.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> Never had an airplane on ski's,,, how do you get
> them on the dollys.. Can I
> assume that the wheel penetration type skis will
> roll on a hard surface
> using the penetrating part of the wheel... Do the
> skis have to be stabilized
> someway while in the air to hold them nearly
> horizontal... Approximately
> what is the angle. Bob U.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
> > Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
> >
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > --- dmorisse <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse"
> > > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > > I built a pair of ski dollies when I was 1/2
> > > owner
> > > > in an Aeronca Chief with skis. If you're
> > > interested, I
> > > > have pictures.
> > > >
> > > > Grant Fluent
> > > > Newcastle, NE
> > > > Classic IV 912S
> > >
> > > Grant, would you mind posting those pics on
> > > Sportflight.com?
> > > Darrel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Contributions
> > > any other
> > > Forums.
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >
> >
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Thanks Darrel. Yes, I built them myself. They work
very well. I only used them with the Aeronca a couple
of times.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
do not archive
--- dmorisse <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Very nice Grant. Build them yourself?
> Darrel
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
> > Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
> >
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
Thanks for sharing these pictures. It is interesting that these skies
do not provide much floatation behind the wheel.
Randy - Skis someday - focus now on finishing building.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt A.
Schumacher
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher"
<Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Michael,
If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss
way:
There are something more then a hand full of Avid and Kitfox flying to
the glaciers at 10'000+ ft in Switzerland on a regular base,
some of them have more then 1000 mountain landings. It is not a straight
forward and cheepo solution, most have installed skis as
shown on these pics:
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In/2000/Images/DSC00047.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00225.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00232.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00234.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00235.JPG
(12 V hydraulic oil pump!)
Hope this gives an idea.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michel
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
>Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think
of
doing something similar to you.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
==
==
==
==
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Michel,
It would be simple to get new tires!
Randy
.
my balloon tyres are simply too wide to fit
in the penetration hole. So, I am back to square one and thinking of
building
my own.
Cheers,
Michel
==
==
==
==
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have posted the photos of my Skystar Fibreglass skis and home made tail
ski to the matronics photoshare site as accessed by shortcuts at footer of
the list emails. I don't know how long they will take to be posted.
Best regards,
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N913KF |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Congratulations.
Maxwell Duke S6 IO240 185hours and counting
Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com> wrote:
So, now I have 36 minutes of Kitfox time in my log book. I have
thoroughly enjoyed the building and am looking forward to the
flying. My personal euphoria is exhilarating. All is right with
the world. As so may others on this list have stated... Blue Skies.
Bill Hammond
Parker, Colorado
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
Would you both please contact me regarding shipments by SkyStar. Your e-mail
addresses, on your web page, are defunct.
Thanks.
Arthur Nation
Tacoma, WA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Randy,
The hydraulic cylinder is turning the mount on the axle, when the skis are in place,
the metal mount is pointing straight down and
the skis are moving down and back. Referring to http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG the tire is
above the gray/blue area.
This is the standard layout used in the Alps since the early days of mountain landings
on glaciers and snow. See also
http://www.gletscherflug.ch/SGPV/bulletin102.htm (browse 3/4 down the page), shows a different view on a very similar system.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
--> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
Thanks for sharing these pictures. It is interesting that these skies do not provide
much floatation behind the wheel.
Randy - Skis someday - focus now on finishing building.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt A. Schumacher
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher"
<Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Michael,
If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss
way:
There are something more then a hand full of Avid and Kitfox flying to the glaciers
at 10'000+ ft in Switzerland on a regular base,
some of them have more then 1000 mountain landings. It is not a straight forward
and cheepo solution, most have installed skis as
shown on these pics:
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In/2000/Images/DSC00047.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00225.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00232.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00234.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00235.JPG
(12 V hydraulic oil pump!)
Hope this gives an idea.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michel
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
>Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think of
doing something similar to you.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Here is a good Kitfox ski view http://www.gletscherflug.ch/albums/album05/abu.jpg (Kitfox IV Speedster F-PSDX - Alain Gabus,
Switzerland)
-Kurt.
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Randy,
The hydraulic cylinder is turning the mount on the axle, when the skis are in place,
the metal mount is pointing straight down and
the skis are moving down and back. Referring to http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG the tire is
above the gray/blue area.
This is the standard layout used in the Alps since the early days of mountain landings
on glaciers and snow. See also
http://www.gletscherflug.ch/SGPV/bulletin102.htm (browse 3/4 down the page), shows a different view on a very similar system.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
--> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
Thanks for sharing these pictures. It is interesting that these skies do not provide
much floatation behind the wheel.
Randy - Skis someday - focus now on finishing building.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt A. Schumacher
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher"
<Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Michael,
If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss
way:
There are something more then a hand full of Avid and Kitfox flying to the glaciers
at 10'000+ ft in Switzerland on a regular base,
some of them have more then 1000 mountain landings. It is not a straight forward
and cheepo solution, most have installed skis as
shown on these pics:
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In/2000/Images/DSC00047.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00225.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00232.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00234.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00235.JPG
(12 V hydraulic oil pump!)
Hope this gives an idea.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michel
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
>Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think of
doing something similar to you.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Kurt A. Schumacher" wrote:
> If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss way:
Wow! That must be the "Swiss watch" quality of all Kitfox skis, Kurt!!! Amazing!
But maybe a tad too complex for a beginner like me. One day ... when I am old
... or when Santa gets richer, maybe! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I don't know how long it will take for the ski photos to show on the web and
I have forgotten the list members that wanted to see them. If you would like
to remind me I will send them directly to your private email address.
Michel, I had your address so I have already sent them to you.
Best regards.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> It would be simple to get new tires!
It has also crossed my mind too. But I kind of like my balloon tyres too. When
I decided to purchase this model 3, last year, it was because I wanted a STOL
plane I could land anywhere. I see the big balloon tyres as a safe way to land
on uneven ground. Mind you, I am only a novice and I might be wrong in my
assumption. Speed is not an issue for me ... yet! Time will show! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
I found a set for sale on Ultralight Classifieds. See this link.
http://www.ultralighthomepage.com/CLASSIFIEDS/classifieds.cgi?session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=6006&query=retrieval
You might have to cut and paste it. Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Bob,
> When I had the Aeronca Chief, it took two of us to
> get the plane on the dollies. One to lift at the wing
> strut attach points and the other to roll the dolly
> under the ski.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV
>
> --- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@c-magic.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> > Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > Never had an airplane on ski's,,, how do you get
> > them on the dollys.. Can I
> > assume that the wheel penetration type skis will
> > roll on a hard surface
> > using the penetrating part of the wheel... Do the
> > skis have to be stabilized
> > someway while in the air to hold them nearly
> > horizontal... Approximately
> > what is the angle. Bob U.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
> > > Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
> > >
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> > > Classic IV 912S
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > --- dmorisse <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse"
> > > > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > >
> > > > > I built a pair of ski dollies when I was 1/2
> > > > owner
> > > > > in an Aeronca Chief with skis. If you're
> > > > interested, I
> > > > > have pictures.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grant Fluent
> > > > > Newcastle, NE
> > > > > Classic IV 912S
> > > >
> > > > Grant, would you mind posting those pics on
> > > > Sportflight.com?
> > > > Darrel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Contributions
> > > > any other
> > > > Forums.
> > > >
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> > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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> > > >
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> > > >
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> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
My comments were in response to e-mails by Ron Carroll and others
concerning props. I didn't know it had to do with a certain subject matter.
I sometimes get the impression that this list is for a certain clique and
the rest of us should keep quiet. Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> What doe this have to do with flaperons as stated in the subject line?
>
> Peter Graichen
> http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran Higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Pr...
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
> I have been following this discussion on props with some interest so I
> thought I would put in my 2-cents worth.
> When I bought my model 4 Speedster it was already built . It had a 912 UL
> and came with a GSC two bladed in-flight adjustable prop and a GSC three
> bladed ground adjustable prop. The in-flight adjustable gave very good
> performance but it had a vibration in it that I didn't like. I removed it
> and installed the three bladed prop. Although It lost some performance the
> three bladed was so much smoother I preferred it.
> I removed the 912 UL and installed a 912 ULS. I installed a GSC three
bladed
> ground adjustable prop. This setup has just about the same performance
that
> I had with the other engine and the in-flight adjustable prop.
> I am old fashioned enough that I think an airplane with a round cowl
should
> have a wooden three bladed prop. I just prefer the looks of it.
> I am now retired and am not in that big of a hurry to get someplace. The
> performance I am getting with this setup satisfies me completely.
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Pr...
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> >
> > To quote Tony Bingelis from one of his books, "Use as long a prop as you
> can
> > for as long as you can." It's my understanding that the most efficient
> prop
> > is one with only a single blade. Randy Schlitter (hey, just because he
> > builds a different airplane doesn't mean he's nuts) says in his
> promotional
> > material that he's never seen a 3-blade prop perform better than a
2-blade
> > one. Apparently the only reason to go to a 3-blade prop is if you don't
> > have enough clearance to use a 2-blade prop long enough to give you the
> > proper bite. The only thing I don't understand from the above has to do
> > with the maximum amount of pitch which can be dialed in. Obviously at
som
> e
> > point the blade's "angle of attack" would become too great for efficient
> > flying, or so it would appear to me.
> >
> > Clem Nichols
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> > problrm - Now Pr...
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> > >
> > > Bill, your message to Lowell states that you use a 70" Powerfin Prop.
I
> > am using a Powerfin with 2-blades, measuring 70" diameter. However, I
> must
> > dial in an excessive amount of pitch in order to absorb my 582's power.
I
> > don't know whether to go to a longer 2-blade, or change to a 3-blade.
> > >
> > > Do you have a 2 or 3-blade configuration, and what is your engine? It
> may
> > be that you have a larger engine, accounting for the nearly 90 MPH
cruise
> at
> > 5500.
> > >
> > > According to the Powerfin tech, my 2-blade 70" prop is not long enough
> for
> > a 582. My question to the list has generated so many different opinions
> > that I'm not sure what to do. I can order 2 new longer blades from
> Powerfin
> > to replace my existing blades (about $300), or buy 1 shorter blade, a
> > 3-blade hub, and send my two in to be shortened & matched to the new one
> > (about $410). The only reason I haven't bought 2 new blades (the least
> > expensive route) is because I've heard that the 3-blades are smoother
and
> > give best all-round performance. At 5500 I only get about 75 MPH, a
tad
> > short of your 88.
> > >
> > > Ron Carroll
> > > do not archive
> > > #################
> > > Lowell
> > >
> > > There may be some truth to the round cowl effect although I have
nothing
> > to
> > > base this on other than talk on the list. Unlike what appears to be
the
> > goal
> > > of a number of Kitfox builders, speed at cruse was not a concern and
for
> > this
> > > reason I went 68" to the 70" diameter with the Powerfin. I chose this
> prop
> > over
> > > the warp drive largely because of its weight. There may be better
> choices
> > > but compared to the GSC, this has proven to be a very low maintenance
> prop
> > for
> > > me. I dialed my prop into give me what I felt was a comfortable cruse
> > speed at
> > > 5500 RPM. With this setting I indicate about 88 to 89 MPH and can
> easily
> > > exceed engine red line in level flight. When I tried to achieve
higher
> > curse
> > > speeds, with either prop, I found that I would start to have low fuel
> > indications
> > > at the header tank when the wing tanks were less than half full do to
> the
> > > somewhat negative angle of attack to maintain level flight. My prior
> > Cessna
> > > flight time and the very sensitive rudder on the Kitfox also resulted
in
> > frequently
> > > poor flight coordination during this phase of testing which may have
> > > contributed to the fuel flow problem. As a result I decided that I
> wanted
> > a cruse
> > > speed that would have the bottom side of the wing approximately level
> with
> > the
> > > horizon. With my current prop setting I can achieve the published
climb
> > > performance figures and that makes me happy.
> > >
> > > The bottom line is I fly because I love to fly so if it takes me a
> little
> > > longer to get to my destination (should I actually have a destination)
> so
> > much
> > > the better.
> > >
> > > Bill W. N20736
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi there,
What a picture, real hot.. (In all this talk about skis.. :)..
Greetings from the "cold" North.
(Snowing like crazy right now..)
Torgeir.
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> "Kurt A. Schumacher" wrote:
> > If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss way:
>
> Wow! That must be the "Swiss watch" quality of all Kitfox skis, Kurt!!! Amazing!
> But maybe a tad too complex for a beginner like me. One day ... when I am old
> ... or when Santa gets richer, maybe! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Floran,
I certainly understand your frustration as sometimes members of the list
come down on people like "a ton of bricks" for simple errors.
It is a good idea to address comments etc to the relative subject heading
but like you I often just reply to others listing and the subject heading
gets forgotten. No big deal!
Anyway I know that the list isn't just for the chosen few as there are far
too many people that are helpful and friendly - like me!!
Do not archive
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Gary Algate wrote:
>
> I don't know how long it will take for the ski photos to show on the web and
> I have forgotten the list members that wanted to see them.
Hi Gary,
Why not post them to the Sportfligh, we all know, -right, they will be
there in seconds... :)
Cheers
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
Thanks! I did see the extra hardware, but didn't put enough thought
into what it could be for.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt A.
Schumacher
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher"
<Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Randy,
The hydraulic cylinder is turning the mount on the axle, when the skis
are in place, the metal mount is pointing straight down and
the skis are moving down and back. Referring to
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG
the tire is
above the gray/blue area.
This is the standard layout used in the Alps since the early days of
mountain landings on glaciers and snow. See also
http://www.gletscherflug.ch/SGPV/bulletin102.htm (browse 3/4 down the
page), shows a different view on a very similar system.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
--> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
Thanks for sharing these pictures. It is interesting that these skies
do not provide much floatation behind the wheel.
Randy - Skis someday - focus now on finishing building.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt A.
Schumacher
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher"
<Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
Michael,
If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss
way:
There are something more then a hand full of Avid and Kitfox flying to
the glaciers at 10'000+ ft in Switzerland on a regular base,
some of them have more then 1000 mountain landings. It is not a straight
forward and cheepo solution, most have installed skis as
shown on these pics:
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In/2000/Images/DSC00047.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00225.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00232.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00234.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG
http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00235.JPG
(12 V hydraulic oil pump!)
Hope this gives an idea.
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michel
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the
>Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves".
Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think
of
doing something similar to you.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Good idea - will do
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Gary,
Why not post them to the Sportfligh, we all know, -right, they will be
there in seconds... :)
Cheers
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Photos are uploaded to the Sportflight page under "add ons"
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Kurt A. Schumacher" wrote:
> Here is a good Kitfox ski view http://www.gletscherflug.ch/albums/album05/abu.jpg
Is that a mirror in the left wing struts, Kurt? I guess it is to check if the
skis are in position, right?
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Gary Algate wrote:
> Michel, I had your address so I have already sent them to you.
Thank you very much, Gary. Yes, I noticed that on the matronics site, no
picture was posted yet in December. It may take a while.
Your skis look very much like the one I already have. If I can't get wheel
penetration skis this winter, I might try the old skis. Your tailwheel ski is
also smart but if I am to use the plane on both asphalt and snow, I'll need
something else that can be put in addition of the Maule tailwheel. ... yes, I
know, I am greedy, I want everything, wheels, skis, floats ... ;-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | OT: Up north WAS: Skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Greetings from the "cold" North.
> (Snowing like crazy right now..)
Just a word from a Southerner (Norwegian, that is! :-) Our poor friend Torgeir,
up north, is living a lot of storms lately. And the weather forecast for next
week doesn't look any better. The storm of last week was so big that the met
office gave it a name, like they do with tropical cyclones.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Floran,
This list is certainly NOT for a certain clique. I encourage you to ask
questions as well as answer them whenever you feel like it. You, as well all
members, are welcome here. We have some posters who are quite prolific with
their messages and we appreciate the help, and we also have many lurkers who
have never posted a message.
We are all just a group of flyers and builders who have the same goal - to
help others in the group.
As far as subject lines go, some threads do change directions and the
subject should be changed. Please feel free to do that using your own
judgement.
Don Pearsall
List Janitor
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
>Is that a mirror in the left wing struts, Kurt? I guess it is to check if the
skis are in position, right?
Correct!
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| Subject: | Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I see on Skystar's website that they offer "streamline strut covers" for
models 4 thru 7, found at http://www.skystar.com/wings.htm . I assume these
are the plastic airfoil-shaped covers that should reduce the drag of
formerly round struts?
I have a Model 2. Anyone know why these would not fit my plane? It has round
steel-tube lift struts, I think either 5/8" or 3/4" in diameter. They're
pretty skinny, though being steel they are obviously strong enough for the
loads imposed.
I called Skystar, got only a recording saying they'll all back. In the
meantime, anyone know...?
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
San Diego, CA
Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home.
http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Steve,
I think the extruded PVC streamlining is made for the
1" lift struts and they're glued directly to the
strut so you'd have to make up for the smaller
diameter when you installed them but otherwise I
don't see why they wouldn't work. Some folks don't
like the weight they add as they're pretty dense but
many of us have used'em and they work fine.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar's lift strut
streamlining?
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M"
<ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
>I see on Skystar's website that they
offer "streamline strut covers" for
>models 4 thru 7, found at
http://www.skystar.com/wings.htm . I assume these
>are the plastic airfoil-shaped covers that should
reduce the drag of
>formerly round struts?
>
>I have a Model 2. Anyone know why these would not
fit my plane? It has round
>steel-tube lift struts, I think either 5/8" or 3/4"
in diameter. They're
>pretty skinny, though being steel they are obviously
strong enough for the
>loads imposed.
>
>I called Skystar, got only a recording saying
they'll all back. In the
>meantime, anyone know...?
>
>Steve Maher
>Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
>San Diego, CA
>
>Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home.
>http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hello Arthur,
Have not heard from you lately, I hope all is well.
Just received this e-mail from you, but was not sure if it was directed
to me or not?
Best regards,
Lance Wheeler
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Nation
Subject: Kitfox-List: Banks Brothers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
Would you both please contact me regarding shipments by SkyStar. Your
e-mail
addresses, on your web page, are defunct.
Thanks.
Arthur Nation
Tacoma, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Steve M wrote:
> I have a Model 2. Anyone know why these would not fit my plane? It has round
> steel-tube lift struts, I think either 5/8" or 3/4" in diameter. They're
> pretty skinny, though being steel they are obviously strong enough for the
> loads imposed.
Hi Steve,
Think our mod II has 3/4" as you suggest, the mod III and IV is 1"
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I for one am glad someone pointed it out. It will benefit us all in the long
run when we do a search on a particular subject. I think was guilty of the
same mistake of just joining in. This is the best group around and run by
great folks. Keep us on our toes.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran
Higgins
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
My comments were in response to e-mails by Ron Carroll and others
concerning props. I didn't know it had to do with a certain subject matter.
I sometimes get the impression that this list is for a certain clique and
the rest of us should keep quiet. Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
problrm - Now Pr...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> What doe this have to do with flaperons as stated in the subject line?
>
> Peter Graichen
> http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran Higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Pr...
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
> I have been following this discussion on props with some interest so I
> thought I would put in my 2-cents worth.
> When I bought my model 4 Speedster it was already built . It had a 912 UL
> and came with a GSC two bladed in-flight adjustable prop and a GSC three
> bladed ground adjustable prop. The in-flight adjustable gave very good
> performance but it had a vibration in it that I didn't like. I removed it
> and installed the three bladed prop. Although It lost some performance the
> three bladed was so much smoother I preferred it.
> I removed the 912 UL and installed a 912 ULS. I installed a GSC three
bladed
> ground adjustable prop. This setup has just about the same performance
that
> I had with the other engine and the in-flight adjustable prop.
> I am old fashioned enough that I think an airplane with a round cowl
should
> have a wooden three bladed prop. I just prefer the looks of it.
> I am now retired and am not in that big of a hurry to get someplace. The
> performance I am getting with this setup satisfies me completely.
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> problrm - Now Pr...
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> >
> > To quote Tony Bingelis from one of his books, "Use as long a prop as you
> can
> > for as long as you can." It's my understanding that the most efficient
> prop
> > is one with only a single blade. Randy Schlitter (hey, just because he
> > builds a different airplane doesn't mean he's nuts) says in his
> promotional
> > material that he's never seen a 3-blade prop perform better than a
2-blade
> > one. Apparently the only reason to go to a 3-blade prop is if you don't
> > have enough clearance to use a 2-blade prop long enough to give you the
> > proper bite. The only thing I don't understand from the above has to do
> > with the maximum amount of pitch which can be dialed in. Obviously at
som
> e
> > point the blade's "angle of attack" would become too great for efficient
> > flying, or so it would appear to me.
> >
> > Clem Nichols
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@qwest.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon
> > problrm - Now Pr...
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> > >
> > > Bill, your message to Lowell states that you use a 70" Powerfin Prop.
I
> > am using a Powerfin with 2-blades, measuring 70" diameter. However, I
> must
> > dial in an excessive amount of pitch in order to absorb my 582's power.
I
> > don't know whether to go to a longer 2-blade, or change to a 3-blade.
> > >
> > > Do you have a 2 or 3-blade configuration, and what is your engine? It
> may
> > be that you have a larger engine, accounting for the nearly 90 MPH
cruise
> at
> > 5500.
> > >
> > > According to the Powerfin tech, my 2-blade 70" prop is not long enough
> for
> > a 582. My question to the list has generated so many different opinions
> > that I'm not sure what to do. I can order 2 new longer blades from
> Powerfin
> > to replace my existing blades (about $300), or buy 1 shorter blade, a
> > 3-blade hub, and send my two in to be shortened & matched to the new one
> > (about $410). The only reason I haven't bought 2 new blades (the least
> > expensive route) is because I've heard that the 3-blades are smoother
and
> > give best all-round performance. At 5500 I only get about 75 MPH, a
tad
> > short of your 88.
> > >
> > > Ron Carroll
> > > do not archive
> > > #################
> > > Lowell
> > >
> > > There may be some truth to the round cowl effect although I have
nothing
> > to
> > > base this on other than talk on the list. Unlike what appears to be
the
> > goal
> > > of a number of Kitfox builders, speed at cruse was not a concern and
for
> > this
> > > reason I went 68" to the 70" diameter with the Powerfin. I chose this
> prop
> > over
> > > the warp drive largely because of its weight. There may be better
> choices
> > > but compared to the GSC, this has proven to be a very low maintenance
> prop
> > for
> > > me. I dialed my prop into give me what I felt was a comfortable cruse
> > speed at
> > > 5500 RPM. With this setting I indicate about 88 to 89 MPH and can
> easily
> > > exceed engine red line in level flight. When I tried to achieve
higher
> > curse
> > > speeds, with either prop, I found that I would start to have low fuel
> > indications
> > > at the header tank when the wing tanks were less than half full do to
> the
> > > somewhat negative angle of attack to maintain level flight. My prior
> > Cessna
> > > flight time and the very sensitive rudder on the Kitfox also resulted
in
> > frequently
> > > poor flight coordination during this phase of testing which may have
> > > contributed to the fuel flow problem. As a result I decided that I
> wanted
> > a cruse
> > > speed that would have the bottom side of the wing approximately level
> with
> > the
> > > horizon. With my current prop setting I can achieve the published
climb
> > > performance figures and that makes me happy.
> > >
> > > The bottom line is I fly because I love to fly so if it takes me a
> little
> > > longer to get to my destination (should I actually have a destination)
> so
> > much
> > > the better.
> > >
> > > Bill W. N20736
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Ups and Downs of the a/c business..... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
Unfortunately this is the truth.......oh well, maybe they will show up
somewhere else, or the 'company' will get sold again. Its a great design
and a terrific flying little plane and with the Magnum line and seaplane
design made for an 'all around company' offering good service and support.
No longer, at this point.
If you Foxer's hear of anything, how about letting the Avid group, or me, in
on the scoop. Right now the aftermarket and support service is coming from
Airdale.com and Steve Winder. He has many cross referenced parts and
service items for both the Fox and the Avid lines.........
Hausding, Sid
N204S Avid Speedwing 582
Alpena, Mi 49707
sid@i2k.com
------------------------
> True Story John, I drive by there frequently, never anyone around. The
plane is still on the tower and that's about it.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JMCBEAN
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid skis
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> I have been hesitant to say anything........ I have had several
customers
> call about the status of Avid, have heard some talk about it and have
had
> potential customers come to Skystar for a tour after they went to Avid.
>
> The bottom line of what I have heard is that Avid is out of business...
the
> hanger in MT is empty and people are looking for the assets which seem
to be
> "on the move".
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Liles
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> Did you try the Avid Aircraft site?
> http://avidair.com/
> I just went back and it's all there.
>
> I don't think Airdale has the skis but Steve Winder is familiar with
> them and may even know where there is a set available. It is possible
> that Airdale will make them. Send Steve a query. His emali address is
> on the site.
>
> Jerry Liles
>
> Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> >I can't find the "avid site" that has the buttons you describe... I
get
> the
> >airdale homepage and the links on the left with none called "OPTIONS"
Can
> >you give me a link please.
> >
> >Bob U.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid skis
> >
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >>
> >>Jerry Liles wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Go to the Avid site. On the right hand side click on options. On
the
> >>>options page under Options and Accessories click on Wheel penetration
> >>>skis.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Thank you, Jerry. It looks like the kind that can be mounted on bungee
> >>
> >>
> >gears.
> >
> >
> >>I'll write at once and inquest.
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Michel
> >>
> >>do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >>---
> >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >---
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> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Hmmmmnnn, not a bad idea........ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
Might be something for the factories in question to look at! Give one hell
of a rounded out line of small aircraft with terrific
versitility................
------------------
> It would be historically funny if Avid and SS were
> rejoined under new ownership.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> > <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> > I have been hesitant to say anything........ I have
> > had several customers
> > call about the status of Avid, have heard some talk
> > about it and have had
> > potential customers come to Skystar for a tour after
> > they went to Avid.
> >
> > The bottom line of what I have heard is that Avid is
> > out of business... the
> > hanger in MT is empty and people are looking for the
> > assets which seem to be
> > "on the move".
> >
> > Blue Skies!!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Strut covers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Gary,,, What's the cost?? and are they shippable ??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Strut covers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Bob
>
> Mine are the Skystar strut covers but I purchased them from another List
> member in the USA and for the life of me I can't remember his name. I'm
sure
> he will read this and hopefully drop us a line.
>
> They are PVC and just snap together - I immediately gained 8mph cruise
when
> I fitted them.
>
> They had to be painted but then took only about 2 hours to fit without
> removing the wing struts.
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
> Gary,, what was the cost of the strut covers,, shipping and all..I assume
> they came from skystar or are they aftermarket type things. Bob U.
> <<<<<<<<<
>
>
> ---
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm - |
Now Pr...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Floran,
Please don't get upset over this.
The purpose of the "Subject" is so newbes and the rest of us can go back thru
the archives looking for emails regarding a"subject" of which we have an
interest.
I requently, tho not always, change the subject when I reply, if appropriate.
I've been on this list for a long time, and am not aware of any cliques. There
are some of us who really do try to give helpful advice. And so you may see
more emails from us.
I selectively read this lists emails, so when I see a subject which is of no
interest to me, such as the recent volume of "Ski" talk, I just delete them
without reading. If you were to respond with a "problem" which I might be able
to give some helpful advice, but do not use an appropriate "subject", I'll never
see it, and thus can't provide help.
I hope I have provided some clarity on the need for proper "Subject".
Regards,
bh
ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
N321SX Sonex, Jab 3300ed, 59.1 hrs
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another 'Latest update' Re: Newbie flaperon problrm -
Now Pr...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
> My comments were in response to e-mails by Ron Carroll and others
> concerning props. I didn't know it had to do with a certain subject matter.
> I sometimes get the impression that this list is for a certain clique and
> the rest of us should keep quiet. Floran H.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
I have a dent on the aluminum leading edge of one of my flapperons which I think
must have occurred when the plane, a Model IV 1200, was trailered to me. It's
maybe 3 inches long by 3/4 inches high by about 1/4 inch deep. Needless to
say the paint was knocked off in that area leaving the exposed bare metal. I
want to repair this, but have no idea what product to use. Aircraft Spruce &
Speciality have several products which sound OK on paper, but I'd like to see
what the group recommends based on experience rather than hype. Obviously I'll
want to paint this area when it's filled in and sanded smooth. The color is
a canary yellow, but I have no idea what type paint the builder used. Any suggestions
there would also be appreciated.
Clem Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon repair |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:54:55 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
There are lots of different kinds of paint out there. You might go to the local
automotive paint supplier and purchase a special etching primer made for application
to aluminum. I would strip both flaps and apply the etching primer to
the aluminum flap followed up by a select automotive paint that closely matches
your existing color. This will take away the guess work of what your dealing
with.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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From: cnichols
To: kitfox-list
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:36 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon repair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
I have a dent on the aluminum leading edge of one of my flapperons which I think
must have occurred when the plane, a Model IV 1200, was trailered to me.
It's maybe 3 inches long by 3/4 inches high by about 1/4 inch deep. Needless
to say the paint was knocked off in that area leaving the exposed bare metal.
I want to repair this, but have no idea what product to use. Aircraft Spruce
& Speciality have several products which sound OK on paper, but I'd like to see
what the group recommends based on experience rather than hype. Obviously
I'll want to paint this area when it's filled in and sanded smooth. The color
is a canary yellow, but I have no idea what type paint the builder used. Any
suggestions there would also be appreciated.
Clem Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Clem about the dent if you know someone that works in a bodyshop he may
get the dent out with very little filler. Gene N99GC
----- Original Message -----
From: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon repair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> I have a dent on the aluminum leading edge of one of my flapperons which I
think must have occurred when the plane, a Model IV 1200, was trailered to
me. It's maybe 3 inches long by 3/4 inches high by about 1/4 inch deep.
Needless to say the paint was knocked off in that area leaving the exposed
bare metal. I want to repair this, but have no idea what product to use.
Aircraft Spruce & Speciality have several products which sound OK on paper,
but I'd like to see what the group recommends based on experience rather
than hype. Obviously I'll want to paint this area when it's filled in and
sanded smooth. The color is a canary yellow, but I have no idea what type
paint the builder used. Any suggestions there would also be appreciated.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
To Clem Nichols.
My suggestion would be to use "Superfil" a Polyfiber product. An easy to use
product with good fill and good adhesion, also to bare aluminum. P/N 09-28250
Page #40 in the Spruce catalogue. Remember to remove all lose and flaking
paint and sand the good existing finish with # 180 grit paper dry. The Superfil
should stick very good to the sanded existing finish, providing there is not
too much film build. The only problem is that the Superfil is slow drying.
You will probably have to apply a second coat (to smooth things out and fill
in the pin holes from the first application) as with all body fillers! But it
does sand really good as compared to many polyester fillers, like Feather fill.
Use a small sanding block and finish sanding with # 320 grit paper and finish
the area around the repair with # 500 grit dry. I would use Tempo Zinc
Chromate Primer (aerosol 'cause it is easy) Page #307 of the Spruce catalogue.
And
only spray the repair area.
For the color, take the flaperon to a friendly bodyshop or bodyshop supply
jobber and ask them to colormatch the yellow. The type of top coat will probably
be a urethane, so you will need a hardener and reducer. Don't forget to use a
respirator when spraying. Hope this helps.
Eric Ashman. Atlanta GA. Classic IV N893. 26 hours and loving it!
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Grove Aircraft's outstanding service |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <thomastomlin@comcast.net>
A note about the outstanding service I received by Robbie at
http://www.groveaircraft.com.
I chose to replace the Matco brake slave cylinders with Groves.
The cylinders I ordered were 1/4 inch too long so I disassembled
them and chucked them in the lathe to turn the shaft down This
would allow me to extend the threads down the shaft with a die.
I messed one up when I didn't get it tight enough in the old lathe
and I galled the shaft, along with messing up the threads.
This of course, ruined the shaft and caused me to utter a few
discouraging words, as I now needed to order a new one.
So with my head hanging a bit low, I picked up the phone.
I called and was put through to Robbie Grove. I explained what I
had done so he would know what part I would need when he said
"No problem, I'll just send you a new one without charge, if I could
get your name again and address..." I had to pick my chin up off
the couch! Again I said I caused the problem and offered to pay
for my machining misadventure. He said no, that's okay.
Not only that, he said you may need some extra parts so I'll throw
in some extra O rings and a couple Snap rings too. WOW!
Mighty impressive customer service!
Oh yeah...his CNC machined parts look superb......
that is until someone monkeys with em....
Tom Tomlin
Greeley Colorado
IV Speedster
Fuselage on the rotisserie, preparing to cover.
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| Subject: | DC-3 flown 2/3 of the years since the 100th Anniversary of |
flight.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Worlds secondhand fleet still soars
The DC-3 is no mere airplane: It defined the airline business and
set a standard for decades of commercial flight. On the 100th
anniversary of powered flight, the DC-3 has the honor of having
regularly flown passengers and cargo for more than two-thirds of that
time. But it is hardly the only old airplane to grace a fleet.
<http://www.msnbc.com/news/997995.asp?0ql=c9p>
or the same thing but an easier link
<http://tinyurl.com/ydab>
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| Subject: | DC-3 flown 2/3 of the years since the 100th Anniversary |
of flight.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Paul
Very interesting Paul --- Just this past summer I made
several trips out of Yellowknife in the old DC-3's. I just
love flying in them and nothing beats the sound of the ole
radials running on the C-46. Thanks for the link.
Do not archive
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
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Subject: Kitfox-List: DC-3 flown 2/3 of the years since the
100th
Anniversary of flight.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E."
<paul@eucleides.com>
Worlds secondhand fleet still soars
The DC-3 is no mere airplane: It defined the airline
business and
set a standard for decades of commercial flight. On the
100th
anniversary of powered flight, the DC-3 has the honor of
having
regularly flown passengers and cargo for more than
two-thirds of that
time. But it is hardly the only old airplane to grace a
fleet.
<http://www.msnbc.com/news/997995.asp?0ql=c9p>
or the same thing but an easier link
<http://tinyurl.com/ydab>
--
PAF Consulting Engineers | 427 - 140th Ave NE
(425)641-8202 voice | Bellevue, WA 98005
(425)641-1773 fax | <mailto:paul@eucleides.com>
GnuPG Public Key - <http://eucleides.com/pgpkey.asc>
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