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1. 12:31 AM - OT: Douglas DC-3 (michel)
2. 05:17 AM - 912 Oil Temps (Steve Magdic)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Gary Algate)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Strut covers (Gary Algate)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Bob Unternaehrer)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Gary Algate)
7. 06:35 AM - Re: 912 Oil Temps (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:32 AM - Off topic for Gary Algate (Ron Carroll)
9. 07:42 AM - Re: Off topic for Gary Algate (Gary Algate)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: OT: C47/C46 (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: Paul Franz (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
12. 08:28 AM - Skis - several beautiful photos. (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
13. 08:33 AM - Re: OT: C47/C46 (Ted Palamarek)
14. 08:36 AM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Bob Unternaehrer)
15. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Paul Franz (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
16. 09:26 AM - Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? (Gary Algate)
17. 10:09 AM - Re: First Flight N913KF (doug kulick)
18. 10:11 AM - Re: First Flight N913KF (doug kulick)
19. 11:31 AM - Re: Flaperon repair (John Anderson)
20. 11:39 AM - Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox (David Michaud)
21. 11:51 AM - Re: OT: Douglas DC-3 (John Anderson)
22. 12:27 PM - Re: OT: C47/C46 (Arthur Nation)
23. 12:56 PM - Unsubscribing from kitfox list (John Mckiernan)
24. 01:00 PM - Re: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox (Bob Unternaehrer)
25. 01:40 PM - Re: Skis - several beautiful photos. (Michel Verheughe)
26. 01:59 PM - A Century of Flight (JMCBEAN)
27. 01:59 PM - Re: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox (JMCBEAN)
28. 02:11 PM - Re: Skis - several beautiful photos. (Kurt A. Schumacher)
29. 02:54 PM - Re: lift strut streamlining (Kitfox)
30. 03:07 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (Clifford Begnaud)
31. 03:12 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (Bill Pleso)
32. 03:26 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (Michel Verheughe)
33. 04:52 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (Aerobatics@aol.com)
34. 06:35 PM - Re: Flaperon repair (Ceashman@aol.com)
35. 07:00 PM - [Fw: Prop link test] (John E. King)
36. 07:02 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (Lowell Fitt)
37. 08:02 PM - model 1200-4 large cargo compartment pod (doug kulick)
38. 09:29 PM - PropLink Hydraulic Hub (John E. King)
39. 11:08 PM - Re: OT: C47/C46 (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
40. 11:08 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (Bruce Harrington)
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| Subject: | OT: Douglas DC-3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net> =====
>love flying in them and nothing beats the sound of the ole
>radials running on the C-46.
Er ... on this side of the big pond, the Douglas DC-3 is known as the Dakota
and, in the air force, flies as the C-47.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Being new to the KitFox and 912, I am in need of some of your opinions.
I am experiencing rather high oil temps at cruise rpm (5000+). I have what
seems to be a standard oil cooler mounted inside the lower cowl opening.
It looks as though the cooler is pretty much exposed to incoming airflow.
Has there been modifications/improvements to the oil radiator system due to
high temps?
Thanks in advance for your input.
Steve Magdic
Model 3 / 4 Wings
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| Subject: | Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Steve
The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case they
would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap something like
aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the diameter back up to
the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
I don't know if that would be suffuicient but I'm sure you could make
something up to increase the diameter at regular intervals to support the
fairing
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | RE: Strut covers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Bob
They are about USD$160 a set and they are shippable. They are just short
enough to fit under the UPS limit when packaged correctly.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary,,, What's the cost?? and are they shippable ??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Strut covers
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Gary,,,, My struts are 1",, so why anything else needed. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar's lift strut streamlining?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Steve
>
> The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case they
> would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap something like
> aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the diameter back up to
> the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
>
> I don't know if that would be suffuicient but I'm sure you could make
> something up to increase the diameter at regular intervals to support the
> fairing
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
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| Subject: | Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Bob
If you have the standard Model 4 struts you don't need anything else, the
kit comes with the struts and the aluminum cover that goes around the v
intersection of the two struts. It's just a matter of cutting the covers to
length and relieving a couple of areas to clear the Jury struts etc and then
you can glue them to the struts using hysol. In my case I didn't glue them
as I do a lot of float fling and I like the fact that I can just unclip
them to inspect the struts for corrosion during my annual inspection.
When the trailing edge of the fairings snap together they will not move.
I was referring to Steve's 3/4" struts when I suggested the mods.
Regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary,,,, My struts are 1",, so why anything else needed. Bob U.
> Steve
>
> The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case
> they would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap
> something like aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the
> diameter back up to the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Oil Temps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve,
Most, I think find that the standard oil cooler tends to overcool. I have
seen a lot of taped oil coolers especially in colder months. I have cockpit
controllable flaps on mine and most often run with the flaps closed or at
least partially closed.
One thought comes to mind - have you calibrated the gauge - sender.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Oil Temps
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
> Being new to the KitFox and 912, I am in need of some of your opinions.
> I am experiencing rather high oil temps at cruise rpm (5000+). I have what
> seems to be a standard oil cooler mounted inside the lower cowl opening.
> It looks as though the cooler is pretty much exposed to incoming airflow.
>
> Has there been modifications/improvements to the oil radiator system due
to
> high temps?
>
> Thanks in advance for your input.
> Steve Magdic
> Model 3 / 4 Wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Off topic for Gary Algate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
do not archive
Gary, I tried to write you off-list ( algate@attglobal.net ), but the message was
rejected by your server. Is there a way to write you directly. I have a couple
of questions that I don't want to bother the list with, regarding IVO in-flight
adjustable props, and Challenger ultralights.
Ron Carroll
RonCarr@Qwest.Net
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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| Subject: | Off topic for Gary Algate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ron
I don't understand why you couldn't get through on my algate@attglobal.net
email address as I am receiving emails consistently.
I have left my private contact numbers so that you can call or fax me
whenever convenient
Gary Algate
President
SDS Digger Tools Canada Inc
Ph. +1 (705) 670-8459
Fax +1 (705) 670-9591
Cell +1 (705) 688-2236
Do not archive
Gary, I tried to write you off-list ( algate@attglobal.net ), but the
message was rejected by your server. Is there a way to write you directly.
I have a couple of questions that I don't want to bother the list with,
regarding IVO in-flight adjustable props, and Challenger ultralights.
Ron Carroll
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
nothing beats the sound of the ole
>radials running on the C-46.
Minor typo, but that is OK, C-46 is just one stroke away from C 47! It was
nearly twice as big, and had Wonderful sounding radials also! Saw one still
flying at the Alaska Aviation Trade Show in '02. My best friend flew them for
Zantop in the '60's We parked next to each other unknowingly at Kansas City
once, from the cockpit of the '46 you looked down on the '47 airplane! Big bird.
Elbie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Paul, is your e-mail address correct on the list, sent you a note off line
and it bounced, copied & pasted from list message.
paul@eucleides.com returned message said user unknown
Elbie
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| Subject: | Skis - several beautiful photos. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 11:10, Kurt A. Schumacher wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
>
> Here is a good Kitfox ski view http://www.gletscherflug.ch/albums/album05/abu.jpg (Kitfox IV Speedster F-PSDX - Alain Gabus,
> Switzerland)
>
Check out this album showing lots of skis. So cool.
<http://www.gletscherflug.ch/gallery/album01/aac>
The beauty of no. 69 photo is awesome.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Elbie
No typo --- I did mean the C-46. The have both the C-47 or
DC-3, the C46 or as I think it was also call the Curtiss
Commander and various versions of the DC-4 and DC-6 still
all flying out of the Buffalo Airways base in Yellowknife.
The DC-6 are in water bomber configuration. Nice to hear
them warm up on a cold winter morning. Do Not Archive
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: C47/C46
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
nothing beats the sound of the ole
>radials running on the C-46.
Minor typo, but that is OK, C-46 is just one stroke away
from C 47! It was
nearly twice as big, and had Wonderful sounding radials
also! Saw one still
flying at the Alaska Aviation Trade Show in '02. My best
friend flew them for
Zantop in the '60's We parked next to each other unknowingly
at Kansas City
once, from the cockpit of the '46 you looked down on the '47
airplane! Big bird.
Elbie
_
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Gary,, I have the 4 but now farings and am looking to buy some and was
wondering whether to use plastic or aluminum or wook?? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar's lift strut streamlining?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Bob
>
> If you have the standard Model 4 struts you don't need anything else, the
> kit comes with the struts and the aluminum cover that goes around the v
> intersection of the two struts. It's just a matter of cutting the covers
to
> length and relieving a couple of areas to clear the Jury struts etc and
then
> you can glue them to the struts using hysol. In my case I didn't glue
them
> as I do a lot of float fling and I like the fact that I can just unclip
> them to inspect the struts for corrosion during my annual inspection.
>
> When the trailing edge of the fairings snap together they will not move.
>
> I was referring to Steve's 3/4" struts when I suggested the mods.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Gary,,,, My struts are 1",, so why anything else needed. Bob U.
>
> > Steve
> >
> > The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case
> > they would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap
> > something like aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the
> > diameter back up to the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
> ---
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>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Paul Franz |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 08:09, RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> Paul, is your e-mail address correct on the list, sent you a note off line
> and it bounced, copied & pasted from list message.
> paul@eucleides.com returned message said user unknown
> Elbie
Please forward the bounced message complete with all headers.
Thanks.
>
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| Subject: | Skystar's lift strut streamlining? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Bob
There are a lot of different views on what is best. I liked the plastic
fairings because they were so easy to fit and I didn't have to remove the
struts. They are a bit heavier than the aluminum covers or wood but they
sure are quick and easy to fit.
Best regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
---->>>>>>>>
Gary,, I have the 4 but now farings and am looking to buy some and was
wondering whether to use plastic or aluminum or wook?? Bob U.
<<<<<<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N913KF |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" <kitfoxjet@hotmail.com>
Hello: i see that your subject was my aircraft number ... what original
message did you see with it ... I never posted such a message? Just
interested you can call me too.. 800-337-5200 cheers Doug Kulick
>From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight N913KF
>Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:07:01 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
>Congratulations.
>Maxwell Duke S6 IO240 185hours and counting
>
>Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com> wrote:
>
>
>So, now I have 36 minutes of Kitfox time in my log book. I have
>thoroughly enjoyed the building and am looking forward to the
>flying. My personal euphoria is exhilarating. All is right with
>the world. As so may others on this list have stated... Blue Skies.
>
>Bill Hammond
>Parker, Colorado
>
>
>Maxwell Duke
>S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight N913KF |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" <kitfoxjet@hotmail.com>
SORRY ALL... I need to use my glasses...not my aircraft!! cheers Doug
>From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight N913KF
>Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:07:01 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
>Congratulations.
>Maxwell Duke S6 IO240 185hours and counting
>
>Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com> wrote:
>
>
>So, now I have 36 minutes of Kitfox time in my log book. I have
>thoroughly enjoyed the building and am looking forward to the
>flying. My personal euphoria is exhilarating. All is right with
>the world. As so may others on this list have stated... Blue Skies.
>
>Bill Hammond
>Parker, Colorado
>
>
>Maxwell Duke
>S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Just an other thing, should there not be some thought given to extra weight being
added to a flaperon. A/C crontrol surfaces are critical when it comes to ballance
and caution is advised just in painting to ensure even cover for this reason
so adding a lump of filler in one spot might not be so good. IMHO
From: Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon repair
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
To Clem Nichols.
My suggestion would be to use "Superfil" a Polyfiber product. An easy to use
productwith good fill and good adhesion, also to bare aluminum. P/N 09-28250
Page #40 in the Spruce catalogue. Remember to remove all lose and flaking
paint and sand the good existing finish with # 180 grit paper dry. The Superfil
should stick very good to the sanded existing finish, providing there is not
too much film build. The only problem is that the Superfil is slow drying.
You will probably have to apply a second coat (to smooth things out and fill
in the pin holes from the first application) as with all body fillers! But it
does sand really good as compared to many polyester fillers, like Feather fill.
Use a small sanding block and finish sanding with # 320 grit paper and finish
the area around the repair with # 500 grit dry. I would use Tempo Zinc
Chromate Primer (aerosol 'cause it is easy) Page #307 of the Spruce catalogue.
And
only spray the repair area.
For the color, take the flaperon to a friendly bodyshop or bodyshop supply
jobber and ask them to colormatch the yellow. The type of top coat will probably
be a urethane, so you will need a hardener and reducer. Don't forget to use a
respirator when spraying. Hope this helps.
Eric Ashman. Atlanta GA. Classic IV N893. 26 hours and loving it!
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Michaud" <d.michaud@web.de>
----- Original Message -----
From: David Michaud
Subject: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
Hi List
I am an AP-IA, I amcurrently working on a kitfox III with US registration.I have
a couple of problems that I hope some of you can help me with. A customer asked
me to certify the installtion of a Jabiru engine and mount (normaly a Rotax
is installed) Both were already installed before I was asked to look at the
aircraft,It was done very well and with the installation I have no problems. The
question is what do I do know? I do not work on experimental aircraft very
often, this is a major alteration,so do I need to write up an FAA form 337 or
do I even need to inform the FAA of the engine change? (I want to stay leagl)
or is a DAR required for this installation?
Also can anyone anser the question of who can legaly preform the annual insp of
an exprimental acft?
Thank you Dave
d.michaud@web.de
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| Subject: | OT: Douglas DC-3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
And here it's known as a "DAK"...
From: michel <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OT: Douglas DC-3
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
===== Original Message From "Ted Palamarek" <TEMCO@TELUSPLANET.NET>=====
love flying in them and nothing beats the sound of the ole
radials running on the C-46.
Er ... on this side of the big pond, the Douglas DC-3 is known as the Dakota
and, in the air force, flies as the C-47.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 08:02, RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
]
My first 'ride', after I joined the Army Air Force, was in a C-47 at Lowry
AFB, Denver, Colorado. Yes the C-46 is larger. It is quite recognizable by
the 'seam' running lengthwise in the fuselage. It appears that a larger
diameter fuselage was mated to the original C-47. Both sound good. I froze my
butt off while taking a 'hop' from Lowry to somewhere in New Mexico during
the winter. The seats were bare metal with only the 'fat' of ones' rear
providing a cushion!!
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
>
> nothing beats the sound of the ole
>
> >radials running on the C-46.
>
> Minor typo, but that is OK, C-46 is just one stroke away from C 47! It
> was nearly twice as big, and had Wonderful sounding radials also! Saw one
> still flying at the Alaska Aviation Trade Show in '02. My best friend flew
> them for Zantop in the '60's We parked next to each other unknowingly at
> Kansas City once, from the cockpit of the '46 you looked down on the '47
> airplane! Big bird. Elbie
>
>
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| Subject: | Unsubscribing from kitfox list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Mckiernan" <ROCKYJS@peoplepc.com>
I have been unsuccessful in unsubscribing from the kitfox list. Please help to
remove my email address from this list.
Thanks
John McKiernan
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I think it depends how the original airworthness certificate was issued. If
it was originally built with the Jab then there is nothing to do. If not
the local FSDO must be contacted and request an ammended Certificate and
flight restrictions. I'm not sure about what form to use but don't think
it's a 337. The annual condition inspection can be performed by the
original builders certificate holder or any A&P. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Michaud" <d.michaud@web.de>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Michaud" <d.michaud@web.de>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Michaud
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
>
>
> Hi List
>
> I am an AP-IA, I amcurrently working on a kitfox III with US
registration.I have a couple of problems that I hope some of you can help me
with. A customer asked me to certify the installtion of a Jabiru engine and
mount (normaly a Rotax is installed) Both were already installed before I
was asked to look at the aircraft,It was done very well and with the
installation I have no problems. The question is what do I do know? I do not
work on experimental aircraft very often, this is a major alteration,so do
I need to write up an FAA form 337 or do I even need to inform the FAA of
the engine change? (I want to stay leagl) or is a DAR required for this
installation?
> Also can anyone anser the question of who can legaly preform the annual
insp of an exprimental acft?
>
> Thank you Dave
>
> d.michaud@web.de
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - several beautiful photos. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Paul A. Franz, P.E." wrote:
> Check out this album showing lots of skis. So cool.
> <http://www.gletscherflug.ch/gallery/album01/aac>
Truly beautiful photos of great planes in a breathtaking country. Makes me feel
like flying there ... oops, that's right, the Swiss don't allow microlight
planes! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
thought. I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
there spiritually.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
If this aircraft had its airworthiness inspection done already then it would
have limitations that were given at the time of the inspection. Review
those limitations and it may advise on what needs to be done. For
example... if I was to change my engine or prop I need to send a letter to
the local FSDO advising of the change and the requested fly-off area.
Typically it requires a 5 hour fly-off. All log book entries would need to
be made.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Michaud
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Michaud" <d.michaud@web.de>
----- Original Message -----
From: David Michaud
Subject: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
Hi List
I am an AP-IA, I amcurrently working on a kitfox III with US registration.I
have a couple of problems that I hope some of you can help me with. A
customer asked me to certify the installtion of a Jabiru engine and mount
(normaly a Rotax is installed) Both were already installed before I was
asked to look at the aircraft,It was done very well and with the
installation I have no problems. The question is what do I do know? I do not
work on experimental aircraft very often, this is a major alteration,so do
I need to write up an FAA form 337 or do I even need to inform the FAA of
the engine change? (I want to stay leagl) or is a DAR required for this
installation?
Also can anyone anser the question of who can legaly preform the annual
insp of an exprimental acft?
Thank you Dave
d.michaud@web.de
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| Subject: | Skis - several beautiful photos. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
And the bad news: Swiss authorities posponed the Ecolight class (Swiss Ultralight)
certification for one more year - at least!
-Kurt.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis - several beautiful photos.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Paul A. Franz, P.E." wrote:
> Check out this album showing lots of skis. So cool.
> <http://www.gletscherflug.ch/gallery/album01/aac>
Truly beautiful photos of great planes in a breathtaking country. Makes me feel
like flying there ... oops, that's right, the Swiss
don't allow microlight planes! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: lift strut streamlining |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
If it's of any help I purchased a set of moulded plastic lift strut fairings
from Terry Raber at Streamline.
All you do is slice one edge and fit tem on trimming as required, mine are
filled at the ends with some expanded foam and sanded down.
The original set arrived flat thanks to the carrier but Terry sent a
replacement set in 48 hrs and I got to keep the originals which I chopped up
and intend to use on my u/c legs.
First class service and they fit nice and snug to the lift strut tubing.
if anyone needs it his email is streamlineco@yahoo.com>
Chris
MKII - UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar's lift strut streamlining?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Bob
>
> If you have the standard Model 4 struts you don't need anything else, the
> kit comes with the struts and the aluminum cover that goes around the v
> intersection of the two struts. It's just a matter of cutting the covers
to
> length and relieving a couple of areas to clear the Jury struts etc and
then
> you can glue them to the struts using hysol. In my case I didn't glue
them
> as I do a lot of float fling and I like the fact that I can just unclip
> them to inspect the struts for corrosion during my annual inspection.
>
> When the trailing edge of the fairings snap together they will not move.
>
> I was referring to Steve's 3/4" struts when I suggested the mods.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Gary,,,, My struts are 1",, so why anything else needed. Bob U.
>
> > Steve
> >
> > The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case
> > they would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap
> > something like aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the
> > diameter back up to the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
We plan to be flying. Probably will have a bunch of locals doing the same.
Cliff
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
> thought. I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
> there spiritually.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
My wife and I will be at Kitty Hawk for the entire week. All of the
officers and their spouces from EAA Chapter 1171 (my wife is the treasurer)
will be there and helping out at the EAA booth on Monday. It's still up in
the air (no pun intended) as to whether we'll drive or fly. Our chapter is
in New Bern N.C. so it's only 30min. by air (but 3.5 hrs. by car). If any
of you are there, please stop by (with pictures of your planes). Since I've
only just started on our Model 4 Classic, I have lots of questions and would
like to talk with you if you have a few minutes to spare. I'll try to post
some pictures of the celebration and put a link to it so I can share them
with you.
Later
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Century of Flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
> thought. I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
> there spiritually.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
JMCBEAN wrote:
> How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
> thought.
I do. If the weather is fine, I'll take a day free from work. But I won't fly
at 10:35 EST in Norway, it will be night here, by that time!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 12/9/2003 4:06:49 PM Central Standard Time,
JDMCBEAN@cableone.net writes:
> How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
> thought. I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
> there spiritually.
>
I wish!!!
I have to be in China on a business trip ..:-(
Dave KF2 582 BH
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon repair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
No problem. If you have used Superfil by Poly-Fiber, you will notice that it
is very lightweight. I have been around bodyfillers for about 30 years and,
they have become light weight, but it is amazing how feather weight this
Superfil is! And approximately 2 oz. of filler on the leading edge of the flaperon
should not be an issue. As long as the surface is smooth and there is nothing
to spoil the air flow.
Eric Ashman
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | [Fwd: Prop link test] |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
To the Desert Fox Group,
John Sieberts who lives in Sedona, Az would like to get in contact with
your group. His phone number and e-mail is listed below.
John is building a Series 6 Kitfox.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Prop link test
From: John &Sally Sieberts <ssiebs@earthlink.net>
Hi John, good talking with you yesterday. Amazing all the neat stuff out
their eh. How'd the test flight go? Will you have the Desert Fox group
near PHX contact me. Thanks John Sieberts Ph # 928 284-3141 in
Sedona, Az.
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| Subject: | Re: A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
John, I think I an make it - weather permitting. I will be in the pattern
though as have to be at work at 1100 EST.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Century of Flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
> thought. I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
> there spiritually.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
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| Subject: | model 1200-4 large cargo compartment pod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" <kitfoxjet@hotmail.com>
HI All:
I am lookin to buy a used or new 1993 era belly pod the one that fit into
the landing gear etc...
does anyone have pros or cons on the unit...over heating etc call
800-227-5200 cheers , Doug kulick
Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home.
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| Subject: | PropLink Hydraulic Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
To the List:
As most of you know I purchased a PropLink in-flight adjustable
propeller for my Series 6 Kitfox powered by a Rotax 912S. At that time
I chose to use the PowerFin 72" three bladed propeller. The PropLink
hubs are designed to accommodate either the PowerFin or WarpDrive blades
(two or three blade configurations). I was very satisfied with the
performance I was experiencing with their mechanical hub. My cruise
speed increased from 105 mph using a ground adjustable PowerFin 72"
3-three bladed propeller to 120 mph with the PropLink hub and the same
blades. Clime out increased to 1200 fps. I was also impressed with the
other benefits offered by an in-flight propeller that I had never
experienced before. I was one happy camper.
Late last September, PropLink asked me to consider trying out their
newly designed hydraulic version of the same propeller hub. They
claimed that the hydraulic hub offered several advantages over the all
mechanical controlled hub. It was identical in external appearance and
could accommodate the same two blade types. The basic difference is
that instead of a mechanical arm driven by a panel mounted vernier
controlling the pitch of the blades, a hydraulic piston inside the hub
was driven by a valve assemble controlled by the same type of panel
mounted vernier. It uses the oil from the engine and therefore no
separate hydraulic pump or oil is required.
The deal was that I could keep the hydraulic hub and return the
mechanical hub if I felt satisfied with its performance and preferred it
over the mechanical version. Since that time I have been test flying
the hydraulic hub in my Series 6 using both my 72" PowerFin blades and a
set of 68" WarpDrive blades on loan from PropLink.
I first started my testing with the 72" PowerFin blades I used in the
Mechanical hub. This is the Type F blades that PowerFin recommends
specifically for the 912 series Rotax engines. Two stroke engines use a
different model blade. I soon found out that the current Type F
PowerFin blades were not suited for this version of the hydraulic hub
(Model HD1). The in-flight back pressure developed by that blade design
was excessive, to the point that the three blades would not advance to
full pitch at cruise speeds, or in my case, rpm's at 5000 and above. On
the ground, this back pressure was less and the hub was able to cycle.
PropLink's follow on discussions with PowerFin confirm that the Type F
Blade was not well suited to this version (Model HD1) of the hydraulic
hub. It might be fine on other variable prop hubs. For example
PropLink's Legacy hub (using a governor control) should work fine with a
PowerFin Type F Blade. Although it functioned well on the PropLink's
mechanical hub, it presented above normal loads on the vernier control.
To correct for this in the hydraulic hub, PropLink would have to
increase the size of the piston in the hub.
As it turns out, PowerFin is now in the process of developing a new
blade design that is better suited for variable pitch applications. The
amount of blade back pressure will be significantly reduced to the point
that the current PropLink hydraulic hub design should function as
originally intended. PowerFin expects the new blade design to become
available by mid to late summer of 2004.
The remainder of the flight testing was focused on the performance for
the Warp Drive blades in the PropLink hydraulic hub. The Warp blades
were each two inches shorter in length resulting in a 68" diameter and
were square on the tips (not the tapered design). As most of you know,
the Warp blades have a very narrow profile, far less that that of the
wider profile PowerFin blades. Since the center of thrust in the Warp
blades is in the center of the blade axis, there is some back pressure
but it is much less. So little that the PropLink hub design has to
incorporate a stronger return spring to return the blades to the flat
position when less pitch is required. Once a stronger spring was
installed the prop blades performed as expected over the full rpm range
of the engine.
Based on the flight testing I have done to date, the performance of the
PropLink hydraulic hub with the Warp Drive blades exceeds that of the
PropLink mechanical hub with the PowerFin blades. I was able to sustain
an IAS of 125 mph at 5300 rpm and a manifold pressure of 26" without
utilizing the full pitch range. With the PropLink mechanical hub using
the PowerFin blades I was only able to sustain an IAS of 120 mph at 5400
rpm and a manifold pressure of 25" utilizing the full pitch range. It
is my feeling and also that of PropLink that the performance difference
between the two hub designs is primarily due to the increased pitch
range of the hydraulic hub over that of the mechanical hub and not that
of the different blade designs.
The performance of the new design PowerFin blades in the PropLink
hydraulic hub will have to wait until they become available next summer
and testing can begin. My personal feeling is that it should at least
equal that of the Warp blades, maybe even better, we'll see.
The PropLink Hydraulic hub offers several advantages over that of their
mechanical hub. First, it offers a larger pitch range, far more than is
useable on the 912 series. Second, it presents less control forces to
the control vernier. Third, the installation setup is easier than that
of the mechanical hub. Fourth, the vernier control cable is narrower
and more flexible than that of the mechanical version. This makes it
easier to route the control cable around objects forward of the
firewall. An additional feature of the hydraulic hub is that it is
suitable for constant speed applications. All that is required is the
addition of a PropLink control governor that is far less expensive than
that currently provided by Rotax. The actual release date for the
control governor has not yet been announced by PropLink. Oh yes, the
hydraulic hub is about 2 pounds lighter.
I personally prefer the hydraulic hub over that of the mechanical hub
for the above reasons, however, I would have been happy with the
mechanical hub had I not had the opportunity to test out the hydraulic
hub. Performance is not the only difference. The price of the two hubs
is the same, at least when I last checked their web site.
Having never previously flown behind a variable pitch prop, I am amazed
at how much performance can be derived out of a variable pitch propeller
over that of increasing horsepower. Increasing horsepower comes with a
lot of penalties, far greater than that of changing prop
configurations. Provided that is, your prop is properly matched to your
engine. There are a lot of variable pitch props on the market today for
light aircraft engines like the Rotax, most of which are electrically
driven. I am not one of those who feels comfortable depending on
electrical motors forward of the firewall to stay in the air. That is
why I spent the extra money looking for a mechanical or hydraulic
variable pitch prop. I say this because I am have often been asked why
I went this way. That's just my rational.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Yes the C-46 is larger. It is quite recognizable by
the 'seam' running lengthwise in the fuselage. It appears that a larger
diameter fuselage was mated to the original C-47
Douglas made the C-47 / DC-3. Curtis made the C-46 Commando. '46 grossed
nearly twice as much as '47 IF I recall correctly ~ long time ago!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: A Century of Flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi John,
Many of the members of the Oregon Antique & Classic Airplane Club plan a group
flight out pf the Cottage Grove/Creswell area at that time. I'll try to join
in, weather permitting.
Bruce
> How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
> thought. I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
> there spiritually.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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