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     1. 12:59 AM - Re: A Century of Flight (martin dovey)
     2. 02:24 AM - leading address (broschart)
     3. 03:09 AM - Re: leading address (Kurt A. Schumacher)
     4. 04:48 AM - Re: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox (Mike Chaney)
     5. 08:26 AM - Re: leading address (Don Pearsall)
     6. 08:43 AM - Re: A Century of Flight (Steve M)
     7. 08:52 AM - Re: lift strut streamlining (Steve M)
     8. 09:33 AM - Re: leading address (Scott McClintock)
     9. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: lift strut streamlining (Mike Chaney)
    10. 10:08 AM - PropLink Hydraulic Hub (Michael Gibbs)
    11. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: lift strut streamlining (Aerobatics@aol.com)
    12. 10:22 AM - Stuff on eBay (czechsix@juno.com)
    13. 10:55 AM - Kitfox II (Lines, John)
    14. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: lift strut streamlining (Bob Unternaehrer)
    15. 11:12 AM - OT: A matter of priority: WAS leading address (Michel Verheughe)
    16. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: lift strut streamlining (Mike Chaney)
    17. 11:36 AM - SoCal pilots: Want to go flying on Wed. Dec. 17? (Steve M)
    18. 12:22 PM - Re: Unsubscribing from kitfox list (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
    19. 03:44 PM - Re: Unsubscribing from kitfox list (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    20. 03:46 PM - Re: PropLink Hydraulic Hub (Torgeir Mortensen)
    21. 04:02 PM - Re: OT: Up north WAS: Skis (Torgeir Mortensen)
    22. 06:12 PM - Re: OT: Up north WAS: Skis (Ron Carroll)
    23. 06:32 PM - Cowling (Bob Unternaehrer)
    24. 06:38 PM - Re: PropLink Hydraulic Hub (John E. King)
    25. 06:58 PM - Re: A Century of Flight (david yeamans)
    26. 07:01 PM - Re: Cowling (DC91840@aol.com)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: A Century of Flight | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "martin dovey" <kitfox.england@ntlworld.com>
      
      My flying buddies and I will be up at 15.35GMT on the 17th. We
      plan to fly over Brooklands aerodrome, birthplace of British
      aviation.
      We will follow up with a BIG fancy dress party. (Aviation theme
      of course)
      
      Martin Dovey
      Kitfox 3.5
      G-BTSV
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
      >
      > How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
      
      why is it that the kitfox new system repeats the sender name and address
      with my netscape 4.5 this moves the start of the message data on to the
      next page making it necessary to scroll down to see any of the message
      data.
      with the old system i could see the beginning of the message data and if
      not of interest delete the posting, now i have the sender address
      repeated and need to scroll down a page to see any of the message data,
      an annoying inconvenience
      
      
      Have a good day - Charlie
      
      > 
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" <kitfoxjet@hotmail.com>
      > 
      > Hello:  i see that your subject was my aircraft number ... what original
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" <Kurt.Schumacher@schumi.ch>
      
      Fully supporting Charlie! Some list readers I know are forwarding the first lines
      to low bandwidth devices, e.g. GSM-SMS or pagers,
      and this line just takes away a good part of the available text length.
      
      If - and only if - this line is really required - good e-mail clients shows the
      original sender as "on behalf of" in the header
      info. Convinced it might be added to the footer instead. Matt can change this easily.
      It has been seen on AeroElectric-List hosted
      by Matt for some days, too.
      
      Some mailers tend to add (here an example from AeroElectrics-List): 
      "on 12/9/03 10:14 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III at bob.nuckolls@cox.net wrote:"
      
      This is another unnecessary annoyance.
      
      -Kurt.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of broschart
      Subject: Kitfox-List: leading address
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
      
      why is it that the kitfox new system repeats the sender name and address with my
      netscape 4.5 this moves the start of the message
      data on to the next page making it necessary to scroll down to see any of the message
      data. with the old system i could see the
      beginning of the message data and if not of interest delete the posting, now i
      have the sender address repeated and need to scroll
      down a page to see any of the message data, an annoying inconvenience
      
      
      Have a good day - Charlie
      
      <snip>
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
      
      When I replaced my 582 with a Jabiru I had to file and sign some paper work
      with my FAA inspector.  This was no big deal.
      Mike Chaney
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a
      Kitfox
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
      
      If this aircraft had its airworthiness inspection done already then it would
      have limitations that were given at the time of the inspection.  Review
      those limitations and it may advise on what needs to be done.  For
      example... if I was to change my engine or prop I need to send a letter to
      the local FSDO advising of the change and the requested fly-off area.
      Typically it requires a 5 hour fly-off.  All log book entries would need to
      be made.
      
      Blue Skies!!
      John & Debra McBean
      "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Michaud
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Michaud" <d.michaud@web.de>
      
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: David Michaud
      Subject: Installation of a Jabiru engine in a Kitfox
      
      
      Hi List
      
      I am an AP-IA, I amcurrently working on a kitfox III with US registration.I
      have a couple of problems that I hope some of you can help me with. A
      customer asked me to certify the installtion of a Jabiru engine and mount
      (normaly a Rotax is installed) Both were already installed before I was
      asked to look at the aircraft,It was done very well and with the
      installation I have no problems. The question is what do I do know? I do not
      work on experimental  aircraft very often, this is a major alteration,so do
      I need to write up an FAA form 337 or do I even need to inform the FAA of
      the engine change? (I want to stay leagl) or is a DAR required for this
      installation?
       Also can anyone anser the question of who can legaly preform the annual
      insp of an exprimental acft?
      
                           Thank you Dave
      
                              d.michaud@web.de
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      
      Charlie, I have noticed the same thing, and it seems superfluous to me. As
      the list admins, Darrel and I can do nothing about it.
      
      If you have format suggestions, you can always send your comments to Matt
      Dralle who has customized this system. He can be reached at
      dralle@matronics.com.
      
      If enough people make the same suggestions, I am sure he will act on it.
      
      Don Pearsall
      List Admin
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | A Century of Flight | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
      
      Me me me!!!
      
      More likely at 10:35 Pacific, tho...
      
      Steve Maher
      Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      San Diego, CA
      
      
      >From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
      >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >To: "Kitfox List" <Kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Kitfox-List: A Century of Flight
      >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:58:54 -0700
      >
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
      >
      >How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
      >thought.  I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
      >there spiritually.
      >
      >Blue Skies!!
      >John & Debra McBean
      >"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
      >
      >
      
      Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at 
      MSN Shopping.  And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: lift strut streamlining | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
      
      After you slice the edge and wrap them around the struts, how do you 
      re-fasten the edge?
      
      I thought of slicing the streamlined tubing about a half inch ahead of the 
      trailing edge, then gluing in a piece of wood or aluminum on the inside to 
      fasten it back together after wrapping it around the strut. Would be tricky.
      
      Anybody come up with a better method? I'm open to suggestions! :
      )
      
      Steve Maher
      Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      San Diego, CA
      
      
      >From: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
      >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lift strut streamlining
      >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:37:32 -0000
      >
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
      >
      >If it's of any help I purchased a set of moulded plastic lift strut 
      >fairings
      >from Terry Raber at Streamline.
      >All you do is slice one edge and fit tem on trimming as required, mine are
      >filled at the ends with some expanded foam and sanded down.
      >The original set arrived flat thanks to the carrier but Terry sent a
      >replacement set in 48 hrs and I got to keep the originals which I chopped 
      >up
      >and intend to use on my u/c legs.
      >First class service and they fit nice and snug to the lift strut tubing.
      >if anyone needs it his email is streamlineco@yahoo.com>
      >
      >Chris
      >MKII - UK
      >
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
      >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar's lift strut streamlining?
      >
      >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
      > >
      > > Bob
      > >
      > > If you have the standard Model 4 struts you don't need anything else, 
      >the
      > > kit comes with the struts and the aluminum cover that goes around the v
      > > intersection of the two struts. It's just a matter of cutting the covers
      >to
      > > length and relieving a couple of areas to clear the Jury struts etc and
      >then
      > > you can  glue them to the struts using hysol. In my case I didn't glue
      >them
      > > as I do  a lot of float fling and I like the fact that I can just unclip
      > > them to inspect the struts for corrosion during my annual inspection.
      > >
      > > When the trailing edge of the fairings snap together they will not move.
      > >
      > > I was referring to Steve's 3/4" struts when I suggested the mods.
      > >
      > > Regards
      > >
      > > Gary Algate
      > > Lite2/582
      > >
      > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      > >
      > > Gary,,,, My struts are 1",, so why anything else needed.  Bob U.
      > >
      > > > Steve
      > > >
      > > > The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case
      > > > they would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap
      > > > something like aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the
      > > > diameter back up to the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
      > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here. 
      http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: leading address | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
      
      Charlie,
      Netscape 4.5 ?
      Maybe it's time for an UPGRADE?
      -Scott-
      
      broschart wrote:
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
      >
      > why is it that the kitfox new system repeats the sender name and address
      > with my netscape 4.5 this moves the start of the message data on to the
      > next page making it necessary to scroll down to see any of the message
      > data.
      > with the old system i could see the beginning of the message data and if
      > not of interest delete the posting, now i have the sender address
      > repeated and need to scroll down a page to see any of the message data,
      > an annoying inconvenience
      >
      > Have a good day - Charlie
      >
      > >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" <kitfoxjet@hotmail.com>
      > >
      > > Hello:  i see that your subject was my aircraft number ... what original
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: lift strut streamlining | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
      
      I purchased some one inch pin striping at a local auto parts store and taped
      the ends together.
      Mike Chaney
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve M
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: lift strut streamlining
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
      
      After you slice the edge and wrap them around the struts, how do you
      re-fasten the edge?
      
      I thought of slicing the streamlined tubing about a half inch ahead of the
      trailing edge, then gluing in a piece of wood or aluminum on the inside to
      fasten it back together after wrapping it around the strut. Would be tricky.
      
      Anybody come up with a better method? I'm open to suggestions! :
      )
      
      Steve Maher
      Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      San Diego, CA
      
      
      >From: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
      >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lift strut streamlining
      >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:37:32 -0000
      >
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
      >
      >If it's of any help I purchased a set of moulded plastic lift strut
      >fairings
      >from Terry Raber at Streamline.
      >All you do is slice one edge and fit tem on trimming as required, mine are
      >filled at the ends with some expanded foam and sanded down.
      >The original set arrived flat thanks to the carrier but Terry sent a
      >replacement set in 48 hrs and I got to keep the originals which I chopped
      >up
      >and intend to use on my u/c legs.
      >First class service and they fit nice and snug to the lift strut tubing.
      >if anyone needs it his email is streamlineco@yahoo.com>
      >
      >Chris
      >MKII - UK
      >
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
      >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar's lift strut streamlining?
      >
      >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
      > >
      > > Bob
      > >
      > > If you have the standard Model 4 struts you don't need anything else,
      >the
      > > kit comes with the struts and the aluminum cover that goes around the v
      > > intersection of the two struts. It's just a matter of cutting the covers
      >to
      > > length and relieving a couple of areas to clear the Jury struts etc and
      >then
      > > you can  glue them to the struts using hysol. In my case I didn't glue
      >them
      > > as I do  a lot of float fling and I like the fact that I can just unclip
      > > them to inspect the struts for corrosion during my annual inspection.
      > >
      > > When the trailing edge of the fairings snap together they will not move.
      > >
      > > I was referring to Steve's 3/4" struts when I suggested the mods.
      > >
      > > Regards
      > >
      > > Gary Algate
      > > Lite2/582
      > >
      > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      > >
      > > Gary,,,, My struts are 1",, so why anything else needed.  Bob U.
      > >
      > > > Steve
      > > >
      > > > The fairings are made to clip around the actual strut so in your case
      > > > they would be a pretty sloppy fit. You may be able to just wrap
      > > > something like aluminum tape around the strut every foot to build the
      > > > diameter back up to the required 1" so that the plastic clamps tight.
      > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here.
      http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | PropLink Hydraulic Hub | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      
      John King sez:
      
      >There are a lot of variable pitch props on the market today for 
      >light aircraft engines like the Rotax, most of which are 
      >electrically driven.  I am not one of those who feels comfortable 
      >depending on electrical motors forward of the firewall to stay in 
      >the air.
      
      The failure of an electrically-driven prop pitch mechanism would not 
      prevent you from staying in the air, it just turns it into a 
      fixed-pitch prop.  The pitch the prop goes to (or remains at) will 
      vary by the hub design and may not be optimal for climb or cruise, 
      but there's no reason you couldn't comfortably complete the flight 
      and effect repairs.
      
      Mike G.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: lift strut streamlining | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 12/10/2003 10:54:17 AM Central Standard Time, 
      ondeck355@hotmail.com writes:
      
      > After you slice the edge and wrap them around the struts, how do you 
      > re-fasten the edge?
      > 
      > I thought of slicing the streamlined tubing about a half inch ahead of the 
      > trailing edge, then gluing in a piece of wood or aluminum on the inside to 
      > fasten it back together after wrapping it around the strut. Would be tricky.
      > 
      > Anybody come up with a better method? I'm open to suggestions! :
      > )
      > 
      > Steve Maher
      > Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      > San Diego, CA
      
      OK,  here is an idea I did....
      
      Got some Blue foam used in insulation. Made the board the thickness of the 
      lift strut and  about 3 inches wide.  With a router, made a 1/2 circle to fit 
      lift strut.  (I made it a bit smaller and finished sanded with sand paper on a
      
      dowel)   Then simply block sanded to an airfoil shape.  Note, trailing edge 
      only.  
      
      The entire process took maybe 6 hours for all struts, including tail....
      
      For the first test flight, I simply duct taped on and could not believe the 
      differance!  In fact, I blew the landing the plane was so much cleaner.
      
      I have gained 7 mph  easy.  Now my KF 2, with a new prop,  IVO on my 582 BH, 
      indicates 80 mph at 5,600, 85 at 5,800.  
      
      This winter they will be removed, glassed and painted.
      
      Well worth the effort.
      
      Dave
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
      
      
      Guys,
      
      I have a few things on eBay if anyone's interested.  If the link doesn't work just
      search on the item number.  If you have questions please contact me OFF LIST.
      
      Thanks and Do Not Archive!
      
      --Mark Navratil
      Cedar Rapids, Iowa
      RV-8A N2D finishing....
      
      Turn Coordinator, item #2447588004
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447588004 
      
      Andair Mini Gascolator, item #2447590842
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      Bendix Mags, item #2447592770
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447592770 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lines, John" <JLines@phelpsdodge.com>
      
      Not being successful in listing my bird on the Sportflight "for sale" site,
      I would refer you all (interested in purchasing a complete and proven craft)
      to my listing on eBay under "Aircraft". It is item Number 2447208555. Pass
      the word to anyone who would be interested in a great Kitfox (Which Kitfoxes
      ARE) It can also be seen on sportflight under "completions". Feel free to
      give me a call at the number listed below, or at 800-428-8413 JWL
      
      John Wayne Lines
      MCE Division
      Training Specialist
      Phelps Dodge Morenci Inc.
      (928) 865-6762
      jlines@phelpsdodge.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: lift strut streamlining | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
      
      Since the tape worked, I wonder if wraping them with Stits covering and
      shrinking them on would work.  You could put the glue on the tubing so it
      wouldn't eat the foam,,,,,, or will it eat foam.??  Mine had the plastic
      farings wrapped in stits, but had to remove them to upgrade the struts ....
      and by the way found corrosion.   so be sure to drain.   Bob U.
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: lift strut streamlining
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
      >
      > In a message dated 12/10/2003 10:54:17 AM Central Standard Time,
      > ondeck355@hotmail.com writes:
      >
      > > After you slice the edge and wrap them around the struts, how do you
      > > re-fasten the edge?
      > >
      > > I thought of slicing the streamlined tubing about a half inch ahead of
      the
      > > trailing edge, then gluing in a piece of wood or aluminum on the inside
      to
      > > fasten it back together after wrapping it around the strut. Would be
      tricky.
      > >
      > > Anybody come up with a better method? I'm open to suggestions! :
      > > )
      > >
      > > Steve Maher
      > > Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      > > San Diego, CA
      >
      > OK,  here is an idea I did....
      >
      > Got some Blue foam used in insulation. Made the board the thickness of the
      > lift strut and  about 3 inches wide.  With a router, made a 1/2 circle to
      fit
      > lift strut.  (I made it a bit smaller and finished sanded with sand paper
      on a
      > dowel)   Then simply block sanded to an airfoil shape.  Note, trailing
      edge
      > only.
      >
      > The entire process took maybe 6 hours for all struts, including tail....
      >
      > For the first test flight, I simply duct taped on and could not believe
      the
      > differance!  In fact, I blew the landing the plane was so much cleaner.
      >
      > I have gained 7 mph  easy.  Now my KF 2, with a new prop,  IVO on my 582
      BH,
      > indicates 80 mph at 5,600, 85 at 5,800.
      >
      > This winter they will be removed, glassed and painted.
      >
      > Well worth the effort.
      >
      > Dave
      >
      >
      > ---
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      >
      >
      
      ---
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| Subject:  | OT: A matter of priority: WAS leading address | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Scott McClintock wrote: 
      > Charlie,
      > Netscape 4.5 ?
      > Maybe it's time for an UPGRADE?
      
      He, he! I also use Netscape 4.5, guys. Upgrade? Can you teach new tricks to an
      old ape? What's more, I am not on a PC but a Mac. It makes a nice piece of
      conversation but ... more and more Java-oriented web site are not working for
      me. :-(
      Maybe I should upgrade but right now I am more interested to find wheel
      penetration skis for my bird, than shopping for new computer software.
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      PS: Santa is aware of my new priorities! :-)
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: lift strut streamlining | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
      
      I used the tape and it is going on two years and it still looks fine.
      Mike Chaney
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
      Unternaehrer
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: lift strut streamlining
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
      
      Since the tape worked, I wonder if wraping them with Stits covering and
      shrinking them on would work.  You could put the glue on the tubing so it
      wouldn't eat the foam,,,,,, or will it eat foam.??  Mine had the plastic
      farings wrapped in stits, but had to remove them to upgrade the struts ....
      and by the way found corrosion.   so be sure to drain.   Bob U.
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: lift strut streamlining
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
      >
      > In a message dated 12/10/2003 10:54:17 AM Central Standard Time,
      > ondeck355@hotmail.com writes:
      >
      > > After you slice the edge and wrap them around the struts, how do you
      > > re-fasten the edge?
      > >
      > > I thought of slicing the streamlined tubing about a half inch ahead of
      the
      > > trailing edge, then gluing in a piece of wood or aluminum on the inside
      to
      > > fasten it back together after wrapping it around the strut. Would be
      tricky.
      > >
      > > Anybody come up with a better method? I'm open to suggestions! :
      > > )
      > >
      > > Steve Maher
      > > Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      > > San Diego, CA
      >
      > OK,  here is an idea I did....
      >
      > Got some Blue foam used in insulation. Made the board the thickness of the
      > lift strut and  about 3 inches wide.  With a router, made a 1/2 circle to
      fit
      > lift strut.  (I made it a bit smaller and finished sanded with sand paper
      on a
      > dowel)   Then simply block sanded to an airfoil shape.  Note, trailing
      edge
      > only.
      >
      > The entire process took maybe 6 hours for all struts, including tail....
      >
      > For the first test flight, I simply duct taped on and could not believe
      the
      > differance!  In fact, I blew the landing the plane was so much cleaner.
      >
      > I have gained 7 mph  easy.  Now my KF 2, with a new prop,  IVO on my 582
      BH,
      > indicates 80 mph at 5,600, 85 at 5,800.
      >
      > This winter they will be removed, glassed and painted.
      >
      > Well worth the effort.
      >
      > Dave
      >
      >
      > ---
      > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
      >
      >
      
      ---
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| Subject:  | SoCal pilots: Want to go flying on Wed. Dec. 17? | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
      
      Want to go flying Wed, Dec. 17, for the 100th anniversary of the Wright 
      brothers first manned powered flight? Kitfoxes, ultralights, experimentals, 
      GA planes, all welcome.
      
      I'm taking the day off just for the occasion. Propose lifting off from 
      Nichols field (Otay) near Otay Lake in San Diego, at 10:35 AM Pacific time 
      and going... someplace. Perhaps overfly the fire-ravaged Ultralight Park at 
      Barona. And Fla-bob airport in Riverside county has an open house that day, 
      though that would be a long flight for a Part-103 UL. Hmmm, are ULs allowed 
      at Fla-bob?
      
      Alternative plan would be to head west from Otay, skirt around Brown Field's 
      Class-D airspace, and fly up and down the coast briefly, then return to 
      Otay.
      
      Yet another alternative might be to rendezvous at either Perris or 
      Hemet/Ryan airports, both of which house ultralights and GA aircraft alike, 
      and then take off from there. Hell, any excuse to go flying is OK in my 
      book.
      
      Any takers?
      
      Steve Maher
      Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
      Former Minimax UL owner
      San Diego, CA
      
      Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year  six months 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Unsubscribing from kitfox list | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
      
      On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 12:56, John Mckiernan wrote:
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Mckiernan" <ROCKYJS@peoplepc.com>
      > 
      > I have been unsuccessful in unsubscribing from the kitfox list.  Please help
      to remove my email address from this list.
      > 
      > Thanks
      > 
      > John McKiernan
      
      Just click the link below, <http://www.matronics.com/subscription> that
      is in every post, and follow the instructions. 
      
      Why are you finding that difficult?
      > 
      -- 
       PAF Consulting Engineers  |  427 - 140th Ave NE 
       (425)641-8202 voice       |  Bellevue, WA 98005 
       (425)641-1773 fax         |  <mailto:paul@eucleides.com> 
       GnuPG Public Key - <http://eucleides.com/pgpkey.asc> 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Unsubscribing from kitfox list | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      
      Why are you finding that difficult?
      > 
      -- 
      PAF Consulting Engineers  |  427 - 140th Ave NE 
      (425)641-8202 voice       |  Bellevue, WA 98005 
      (425)641-1773 fax         |  <mailto:paul@eucleides.com> 
      GnuPG Public Key - <http://eucleides.com/pgpkey.asc> 
      
      
      As usual Paul, you always find the right words for comfort to someone who 
      might need help.  Merry Christmas
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: PropLink Hydraulic Hub | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
      
      > "John E. King" wrote:
      > To the List:
      > 
      > As most of you know I purchased a PropLink in-flight adjustable
      > propeller for my Series 6 Kitfox powered by a Rotax 912S.  At that time
      > I chose to use the PowerFin 72" three bladed propeller.
      
      
      Hi John,
      
      Very good information about your project, -and most interesting.
      
      About your experience with PowerFin, just come to think about Lowell's
      posting a few days ago, about our round "Kitfox" cowl using a "turbine"
      propeller. Excuse me for the expression, but the Powerfin is a "kind" of
      lookalike and is very efficient.
      
      I'll think that this new Hydraulic hub with a Warp prop., is a winner
      combination and will be hard to match for PowerFin (at least when used
      on a Kitfox), but the time will show.
      
      Thanks
      
      
      Torgeir.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: OT: Up north WAS: Skis | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
      
      > Michel Verheughe wrote:
      > Just a word from a Southerner (Norwegian, that is! :-) Our poor friend Torgeir,
      > up north, is living a lot of storms lately. And the weather forecast for next
      > week doesn't look any better. The storm of last week was so big that the met
      > office gave it a name, like they do with tropical cyclones.
      
      
      Yes Michel, this was the last weeks storm, named Clara, but tomorrow
      Edda will show up.
      
      Cheers
      
      Torgeir.
      
      do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: OT: Up north WAS: Skis | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
      
      Are these storms a regular seasonal occurrence?  If so, when does the season start
      & end?
      
      My concern is because we will be on a cruise ship next May, stopping in Oslo &
      Copenhagen.  I'd hope to miss any such weather.
      
      Ron Carroll
      KF3/582
      do not archive
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Torgeir Mortensen
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:57 PM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Up north WAS: Skis
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
      
        > Michel Verheughe wrote:
        > Just a word from a Southerner (Norwegian, that is! :-) Our poor friend Torgeir,
        > up north, is living a lot of storms lately. And the weather forecast for next
        > week doesn't look any better. The storm of last week was so big that the met
        > office gave it a name, like they do with tropical cyclones.
      
      
        Yes Michel, this was the last weeks storm, named Clara, but tomorrow
        Edda will show up.
      
        Cheers
      
        Torgeir.
      
        do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
      
      Would anybody have a smooth streemline cowl off a Mod 5, 6 or 7 that might be damaged
      or otherwise available cheap to use as a plug to make my own cowl for a
      Mod IV. 
      
      Blue Skies
      Bob Unternaehrer
      shilocom@c-magic.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: PropLink Hydraulic Hub | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
      
      Torgeir,
      
      There was another benefit of the PropLink hubs (all hub modes) that I 
      failed to mention before.  Before I installed the PropLink hub I 
      initially installed the PowerFin ground adjustable propeller.  Due to 
      the width of the blades near the root end, the blades only cleared the  
      Series 6 cowling  by  1/4 of an inch when adjusted for the optimum pitch 
      position.  I am sure that  that affects the efficiency if the blades.  
      After installing the PropLink hub the same blades cleared the cowling by 
      1 1/2 inches. 
      
      I am very anxious to see the new PowerFin blade design when it comes out 
      next summer.  One of the reasons for the delay is that they just 
      invested a lot of money in a state-of-the-art machine that  weaves the 
      composite fibers to their desires.  They will now be able to do 
      everything in house.   The business is owned by a Father-Son team.
      
      Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
      
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
      >
      >  
      >
      >>"John E. King" wrote:
      >>To the List:
      >>
      >>As most of you know I purchased a PropLink in-flight adjustable
      >>propeller for my Series 6 Kitfox powered by a Rotax 912S.  At that time
      >>I chose to use the PowerFin 72" three bladed propeller.
      >>    
      >>
      >
      >
      >Hi John,
      >
      >Very good information about your project, -and most interesting.
      >
      >About your experience with PowerFin, just come to think about Lowell's
      >posting a few days ago, about our round "Kitfox" cowl using a "turbine"
      >propeller. Excuse me for the expression, but the Powerfin is a "kind" of
      >lookalike and is very efficient.
      >
      >I'll think that this new Hydraulic hub with a Warp prop., is a winner
      >combination and will be hard to match for PowerFin (at least when used
      >on a Kitfox), but the time will show.
      >
      >Thanks
      >
      >
      >Torgeir.
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      -- 
      John King 
      Warrenton, VA
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: A Century of Flight | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
      
      Hello John,
      
              I plan on taking off at my air strip at 9:35 CST.  There should be thousand's
      of airplanes in the sky at that time.  Orville and Wilbur  looking
      down should be glorified.
      
                                                                  David
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bruce Harrington
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:09 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A Century of Flight
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
      
        Hi John,
        Many of the members of the Oregon Antique & Classic Airplane Club plan a group
        flight out pf the Cottage Grove/Creswell area at that time.  I'll try to join
        in, weather permitting.
        Bruce
      
        > How many plan on being airborn on December 17th at 10:35 EST Just a
        > thought.  I cant be at Kitty Hawk physically but will most definitely be
        > there spiritually.
        >
        > Blue Skies!!
        > John & Debra McBean
        > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
      
      Will a Mod. 5/6/7 cowl fit a Mod. IV?
      If so is it any longer?
      Appreciate any info on this.
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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