---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/11/03: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - OT: Up north (michel) 2. 01:12 AM - Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing (Tony Blackberry) 3. 01:58 AM - Re: leading address (broschart) 4. 03:12 AM - Re: leading address (Kurt A. Schumacher) 5. 04:54 AM - OT: Up north (michel) 6. 04:55 AM - Skis (sid) 7. 05:11 AM - Re: OT: Up north (michel) 8. 06:59 AM - Re: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing (Ron) 9. 09:02 AM - Re: Cowling (John E. King) 10. 09:32 AM - SPAM (Kitfox) 11. 10:29 AM - Re: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing (Bob Unternaehrer) 12. 10:40 AM - Re: SPAM (RiteAngle3@aol.com) 13. 10:47 AM - Kifox Series 5 For sale (Hal Harris) 14. 10:59 AM - Re: Cowling (Bob Unternaehrer) 15. 11:34 AM - Re: Cowling (John E. King) 16. 03:09 PM - Re: SPAM (Scott McClintock) 17. 03:38 PM - Re: SPAM / Nigeria (RiteAngle3@aol.com) 18. 05:13 PM - Fw: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing (Ron) 19. 06:01 PM - Re: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing (Chuck Todd) 20. 06:23 PM - Cargo Pod Wanted (Allan Arthur) 21. 06:41 PM - Re: Cowling (DC91840@aol.com) 22. 07:07 PM - Re: Skis (Trey Moran) 23. 08:03 PM - In-flight adjustable props (cnichols) 24. 08:56 PM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (RiteAngle3@aol.com) 25. 10:54 PM - Cleaning Poly-Tone (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:28 AM PST US From: michel Subject: Kitfox-List: OT: Up north --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel "Ron Carroll" wrote: >My concern is because we will be on a cruise ship next May, stopping in Oslo & Copenhagen. I'd hope to miss any such weather. Don't worry, Ron, May is usually a very nice month in Oslo and Copenhagen. Note that May 17th is the Norwegian national day, something you may want to see. The weather pattern in north Europe is simple: If it rains, there is 70% chances that it will be sun the day after. And vice-versa. This is because we have a succession of lows passing over us and it takes about 24 hours to go from a low to the next high ridge. In summer, the Acores high extends more north and presses the lows more north. In winter, the polar high extends and push the lows more south. In average, three times a year, a stable high builds up over Scandinavia and the British islands: In September, January and June. That's when the jet-streams are slowing down. Nice weather then, but in January, very cold. This is an average and may vary a lot from year to year. But Oslo is protected from the westerly lows by the mountains and we have a drier climate that, e.g. Belgium, where I was born. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:50 AM PST US From: "Tony Blackberry" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Blackberry" ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Blackberry Subject: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing Could fellow builders share with me their thoughts and tips on applying corrosion proofing type oils to the inside tubes of the Kitfox fuselage. Do you think it is necessary as there is nothing mentioned about it in the assembly manual? Some say to only do the lower longerons.Iam worried about weakening the fuselage at the hole drilled to apply the oil. Where is the best place to drill these holes and maintain integrity of original design? Can the oil migrate to other tubes? Hoping someone can help with some of these questions. Regards Tony Blackberry MK 1V 1200 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:38 AM PST US From: broschart Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: leading address --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart doesn't happen with memos from other address Have a good day - Charlie Scott McClintock wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock > > Charlie, > Netscape 4.5 ? > Maybe it's time for an UPGRADE? > -Scott- > > broschart wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart > > > > why is it that the kitfox new system repeats the sender name and address > > with my netscape 4.5 this moves the start of the message data on to the > > next page making it necessary to scroll down to see any of the message > > data. > > with the old system i could see the beginning of the message data and if > > not of interest delete the posting, now i have the sender address > > repeated and need to scroll down a page to see any of the message data, > > an annoying inconvenience > > > > Have a good day - Charlie > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" > > > > > > Hello: i see that your subject was my aircraft number ... what original > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:52 AM PST US From: "Kurt A. Schumacher" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: leading address --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" This is not related to your e-mail software at all. This is a header line added for a while now by the list server at Matronics. Left a message to Matt - thanks for serving this large number of aviation related communities btw. - asking to move this to the bottom of the message, just above the standard footer. -Kurt. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of broschart Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: leading address --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart doesn't happen with memos from other address Have a good day - Charlie Scott McClintock wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock > --> > > Charlie, > Netscape 4.5 ? > Maybe it's time for an UPGRADE? > -Scott- > > broschart wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart > > > > why is it that the kitfox new system repeats the sender name and > > address with my netscape 4.5 this moves the start of the message > > data on to the next page making it necessary to scroll down to see > > any of the message data. with the old system i could see the > > beginning of the message data and if not of interest delete the > > posting, now i have the sender address repeated and need to scroll > > down a page to see any of the message data, an annoying > > inconvenience > > > > Have a good day - Charlie > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "doug kulick" > > > --> > > > > > > Hello: i see that your subject was my aircraft number ... what > > > original > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:55 AM PST US From: michel Subject: Kitfox-List: OT: Up north --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel >===== Original Message From Torgeir Mortensen >Yes Michel, this was the last weeks storm, named Clara, but tomorrow >Edda will show up. ... and then Frida, Gunn, Hilde, Inger, Johanne, Kristin, Lisbeth, Monika, Nina, ... until Aagot! :-) (for the linguists: "" a.k.a. "aa" is the last letter of the Norwegian alphabet) Cheers, Michel do not archive! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:15 AM PST US From: "sid" Subject: Kitfox-List: Skis --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" Thanks for all the links and pictures of the skiis and the Glacier flying. Thats a whole new world out there us MidWesterners never knew existed. Lots of good stuff and ideas........... Sid ----------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" > > Michael, > > If you need a solution to convert in flight, here are skis - the Swiss way: > > There are something more then a hand full of Avid and Kitfox flying to the glaciers at 10'000+ ft in Switzerland on a regular base, > some of them have more then 1000 mountain landings. It is not a straight forward and cheepo solution, most have installed skis as > shown on these pics: > > http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In/2000/Images/DSC00047.JPG > http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00225.JPG > http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00232.JPG > http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00234.JPG > http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00233.JPG > http://www.experimental.ch/Fly-In-spring/2003-LSGE/images/DSC00235.JPG (12 V hydraulic oil pump!) > > Hope this gives an idea. > > -Kurt. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of michel > To: kitfox-list > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel > > >===== Original Message From Grant Fluent > > I posted a picture of my ski dollies on the > >Sportflight website under "Gotta Haves". > > Nice work, Grant! If I can't get my "wheel penetration" skis, I'll think of > doing something similar to you. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:21 AM PST US From: michel Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OT: Up north --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel >===== Original Message From michel >(for the linguists: "" a.k.a. "aa" is the last letter of the Norwegian >alphabet) Hum. Matronics won't accept non-English characters. The one in brackets should have been the "a with a ring on the top." Michel do not archive! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:55 AM PST US From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" Hey Tony, In the Sportplane Builder (EAA) author/builder/guru Tony Bingelis says to drill 1/8th inch holes at the needed places, (ends of tubing runs) and inject hot linseed oil and rotate the tubes to coat the entire inside wall. This would require you to rotate the whole fuselage to get good coverage. You can feel the tubing for warmth to know it the hot oil is getting where you want it to be. Allow all oil to drain out after coating. Holes are plugged up with a self-tapping screw dipped in linseed oil first or by using a dipped first drive rivet. There will be no loss of strength in the tubing. I suggest that all aircraft builders get the set of Tony Bingelis's books fron EAA. They are: Sportplane Builder, Firewall Forward, Sportplane Construction and Tony Bingelis on Engines......... Ron N55KF > > > Could fellow builders share with me their thoughts and tips on applying corrosion proofing type oils to the inside tubes of the Kitfox fuselage. > Do you think it is necessary as there is nothing mentioned about it in the assembly manual? > Some say to only do the lower longerons.Iam worried about weakening the fuselage at the hole drilled to apply the oil. > Where is the best place to drill these holes and maintain integrity of original design? > Can the oil migrate to other tubes? > Hoping someone can help with some of these questions. > Regards Tony Blackberry MK 1V 1200 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:16 AM PST US From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cowling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Relative to the Rotax 912, the Model IV engine mount places the engine several inches closer to the firewall than it does in the Series 5/6/7 models. Therefore the cowls on the Model IV's must be shorter. -- John King Warrenton, VA DC91840@aol.com wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com > >Will a Mod. 5/6/7 cowl fit a Mod. IV? >If so is it any longer? >Appreciate any info on this. > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:17 AM PST US From: "Kitfox" Subject: Kitfox-List: SPAM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" Had my first SPAM email on the address I use specifically for this newsgroup. Been using the email address for two years without any spam problems until we switched from sportflight to matronics. I don't respond to anything else with this address and haven't responded to any anti-spam requests on the newsgroup. I run the security on my email connection very tightly. Be interesting to know if anyone else has experienced this. Chris MKII UK ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:13 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I want to do the same thing, except I'm going to have the fuselage and struts cut open for other modifications and wonder what to use... I've heard linseed oil??? Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Blackberry" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Blackberry" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Blackberry > To: kitfoxlist@matronics.com > Subject: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing > > > Could fellow builders share with me their thoughts and tips on applying corrosion proofing type oils to the inside tubes of the Kitfox fuselage. > Do you think it is necessary as there is nothing mentioned about it in the assembly manual? > Some say to only do the lower longerons.Iam worried about weakening the fuselage at the hole drilled to apply the oil. > Where is the best place to drill these holes and maintain integrity of original design? > Can the oil migrate to other tubes? > Hoping someone can help with some of these questions. > Regards Tony Blackberry MK 1V 1200 > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:57 AM PST US From: RiteAngle3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SPAM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com Hi Chris, Don't think it comes from Matt's list! I've been on the Matronics lists on and off for several years and have had absolutely no spam on or from his list. I am on other "individual" lists and the spammers are always in them, like a plague! However I do get spam on an e-mail address that only 3 people have as it was setup for confidential stuff and know they don't send it, especially the garbage porno stuff! Elbie EM aviation ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:20 AM PST US From: "Hal Harris" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kifox Series 5 For sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hal Harris" Attn List: I have a Kitfox Series 5 Outback for sale.. Firewall aft, almost ready for covering. email me for details or call 208 549 0337 (Weiser Idaho) maryhal@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:55 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cowling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I'm just looking for the front end so I can attach it to a rear section of a "round cowl" bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cowling > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " > > Relative to the Rotax 912, the Model IV engine mount places the engine several inches closer to the firewall than it does in the Series 5/6/7 models. Therefore the cowls on the Model IV's must be shorter. > > -- > John King > Warrenton, VA > > > DC91840@aol.com wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com > > > >Will a Mod. 5/6/7 cowl fit a Mod. IV? > >If so is it any longer? > >Appreciate any info on this. > > > > > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:53 AM PST US From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cowling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Bob, My model IV round cowl was a four piece cowl (front and rear/top and bottom). My Series 6 cowl is a two piece (top and bottom only). Do not archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA Bob Unternaehrer wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" > >I'm just looking for the front end so I can attach it to a rear section of a >"round cowl" bob U. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John E. King " >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cowling > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " >> >>Relative to the Rotax 912, the Model IV engine mount places the engine >> >> >several inches closer to the firewall than it does in the Series 5/6/7 >models. Therefore the cowls on the Model IV's must be shorter. > > >>-- >>John King >>Warrenton, VA >> >> >>DC91840@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com >>> >>>Will a Mod. 5/6/7 cowl fit a Mod. IV? >>>If so is it any longer? >>>Appreciate any info on this. >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:27 PM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SPAM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Oh Yes, My SPAM load has increased greatly. I get quite a few "offers" from the Nigerians to transfer their millions into my account now. It sure would be nice if that would stop. -Scott- Kitfox wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" > > Had my first SPAM email on the address I use specifically for this > newsgroup. > Been using the email address for two years without any spam problems until > we switched from sportflight to matronics. > I don't respond to anything else with this address and haven't responded to > any anti-spam requests on the newsgroup. > I run the security on my email connection very tightly. > Be interesting to know if anyone else has experienced this. > Chris > MKII UK > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:58 PM PST US From: RiteAngle3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SPAM / Nigeria --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com Those of you in the US who are getting the Nigerian scam stuff here is an e-mail address to forward all those to. It is the US Secret Service, Treasury Dept., a special group set up to track down and catch these frauds. Sadly many have fell for the scams. I talked to the FBI in Portland over a year ago and they gave me this e-mail address. 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov When you get a Nigerian Scam just forward to this address. I get an average of 3-5 a week! (two today) Elbie DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:45 PM PST US From: "Ron" Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" Hey Tony, In the Sportplane Builder (EAA) author/builder/guru Tony Bingelis says to drill 1/8th inch holes at the needed places, (ends of tubing runs) and inject hot linseed oil and rotate the tubes to coat the entire inside wall. This would require you to rotate the whole fuselage to get good coverage. You can feel the tubing for warmth to know it the hot oil is getting where you want it to be. Allow all oil to drain out after coating. Holes are plugged up with a self-tapping screw dipped in linseed oil first or by using a dipped first drive rivet. There will be no loss of strength in the tubing. I suggest that all aircraft builders get the set of Tony Bingelis's books fron EAA. They are: Sportplane Builder, Firewall Forward, Sportplane Construction and Tony Bingelis on Engines......... Ron N55KF Could fellow builders share with me their thoughts and tips on applying corrosion proofing type oils to the inside tubes of the Kitfox fuselage. Do you think it is necessary as there is nothing mentioned about it in the assembly manual? Some say to only do the lower longerons.Iam worried about weakening the fuselage at the hole drilled to apply the oil. Where is the best place to drill these holes and maintain integrity of original design? Can the oil migrate to other tubes? Hoping someone can help with some of these questions. Regards Tony Blackberry MK 1V 1200 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:04 PM PST US From: "Chuck Todd" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck Todd" Hey ron, how is the new plane construction going. Putting a new 912 and anphib floats in mine this winter. Drop me a e-mail off line when you get time. Chuck Todd N57CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" > > > Hey Tony, > > In the Sportplane Builder (EAA) author/builder/guru Tony Bingelis says to > drill 1/8th inch holes at the needed places, (ends of tubing runs) and > inject hot linseed oil and rotate the tubes to coat the entire inside wall. > This would require you to rotate the whole fuselage to get good coverage. > You can feel the tubing for warmth to know it the hot oil is getting where > you want it to be. > Allow all oil to drain out after coating. Holes are plugged up with a > self-tapping screw dipped in linseed oil first or by using a dipped first > drive rivet. There will be no loss of strength in the tubing. > > I suggest that all aircraft builders get the set of Tony Bingelis's books > fron EAA. They are: Sportplane Builder, Firewall Forward, Sportplane > Construction and Tony Bingelis on Engines......... > > Ron N55KF > > > Could fellow builders share with me their thoughts and tips on applying > corrosion proofing type oils to the inside tubes of the Kitfox fuselage. > Do you think it is necessary as there is nothing mentioned about it in the > assembly manual? > Some say to only do the lower longerons.Iam worried about weakening the > fuselage at the hole drilled to apply the oil. > Where is the best place to drill these holes and maintain integrity of > original design? > Can the oil migrate to other tubes? > Hoping someone can help with some of these questions. > Regards Tony Blackberry MK 1V 1200 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:47 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo Pod Wanted From: "Allan Arthur" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Arthur" Former Lister, Tim Glenn is looking for a Cargo Pod, can anyone help? Received this message from Tim: >>Hope all is well with you and your family. Hey I was wondering if you are still plugged into the Kitfox e-mail list. If you are, could you inquire if anyone might have a Kitfox cargo pod they would be willing to sell or perhaps even rent. I'm thinking of making the trek to OSH next summer and I need more cargo space. As you know my early model 5 has a very small area behind the seat. >>Tim Thanks, Allan Arthur N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (107 hours) 912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:03 PM PST US From: DC91840@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cowling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com Thank you for the cowling info. Don C. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:02 PM PST US From: "Trey Moran" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Trey Moran" I finally looked at all the great pictures of plane on skis. So what is a source for the tire through skis pictured? Trey Moran ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt A. Schumacher To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" Here is a good Kitfox ski view http://www.gletscherflug.ch/albums/album05/abu.jpg (Kitfox IV Speedster F-PSDX - Alain Gabus, Switzerland) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:01 PM PST US From: "cnichols" Subject: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop? ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:46 PM PST US From: RiteAngle3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com You might go to the Matronics Europa list and post the question re the Ivo props. Elbie ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:01 PM PST US From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Cleaning Poly-Tone --> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com Thought I'd pass along the name of a great product to clean Poly-Tone painted and powder-coated surfaces. During the building process I found numerous reasons to clean off masking tape residue and other accidental goofs from my Poly-Tone surfaces, and found by mistake that many substances that I had been using, such as rubbing alcohol, Goo Gone, Goof Off, etc, affected the surface. So, what I finally found that did a REALLY good job, and now use as part of my maintenance cleaning, is "un-do" adhesive remover. It can be purchased in many Wal-Marts, Bed Bath and Beyond and scrap booking stores. It is under $10.00 for a 4 fl. oz. bottle. It's made to remove stickers from all surfaces and photos from those plastic photo album pages that stick to the pictures. They have a website at www.un-do.com or call 1-888-buy undo. Stan Specht N16KC "Columbine" Kitfox Model IV Speedster 912ul