---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/12/03: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing (michel) 2. 12:47 AM - Re: SPAM / Nigeria (michel) 3. 03:39 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (dmorisse) 4. 05:20 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props IVO medium user (dave) 5. 05:38 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (Gary Algate) 6. 07:38 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (Lowell Fitt) 7. 10:18 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (kurt schrader) 8. 10:58 AM - Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Steve M) 9. 11:14 AM - "Learning to fly again" (Steve M) 10. 11:21 AM - SKIS (gene m. calkins) 11. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (dmorisse) 12. 11:41 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (Scott McClintock) 13. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Michel Verheughe) 14. 01:41 PM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (JMCBEAN) 15. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (KFN102LG@aol.com) 16. 02:22 PM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (Peter Graichen) 17. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Lowell Fitt) 18. 08:10 PM - FW: Rotax 618 muffler (Don Pearsall) 19. 09:14 PM - Re: FW: Rotax 618 muffler (Bob Robertson) 20. 10:34 PM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (RiteAngle3@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:50 AM PST US From: michel Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: fuselage corrosion proofing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel >===== Original Message From "Bob Unternaehrer" > ... I've heard linseed oil??? Bob U. Yes Bob, linseed oil is a cheap but beautiful natural product that has been used for centuries by seafarers. One thing, though: if after working with it, you leave oil-soaked rags in a corner of your hangar, you probably won't find them again the day after. Nor your hangar or your plane, for the matter. Linseed oil drying on rags will produce enough heat to start burning. Something to do with the large exposure to air of a rag, I was told. Simply soak the rags with water before disposing of them. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:19 AM PST US From: michel Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SPAM / Nigeria --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel >===== Original Message From RiteAngle3@aol.com >Those of you in the US who are getting the Nigerian scam Nigerian, Elbie? That scam has so many variations! The latest I got was seeking the next-of-kin of someone who supposely died in the AirEgypt crash, off the Nantucket Island, four years ago. About the "original" Nigerian one; if you have time, simply BS those guys, it can be great fun. Here is the link of someone who managed to make them believe he killed his wife in the bathtub. His last email to them was: "... and I have a bathtub with your name on it!" :-) http://www.priveye.com/nig9.htm Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:19 AM PST US From: "dmorisse" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" > Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop? The NSI prop was built for and is a perfect match for the NSI EA81. Never had a problem with mine and worth every penny. I believe Lance is working on a new version using his own blades rather than the Warp units and says the blades are more efficient with better thrust. I have no idea when they would be available. Darrel S5/NSI/CAP ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:26 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props IVO medium user --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" I have an IVO on a Jabiru. Would never go back to a fixed pitch. Dave 34AB - ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:42 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" I have the IVO Medium 2 blade in-flight adjustable on my 582. I love it. There is also a Bush Caddy here with the NSI and IVO in flight adjustable 3 blade Ultralight prop which also works great. Gary Algate Lite2/582 > Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit > adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:42 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Elbie, I wonder if the experience with Europa will translate to Kitfox. there has been some discussion on the frontal area of the round cowl Kitfox and the fact that the distance of the prop from the front of the cowl can effect prop performance. There is a lot of experience with these prop hubs with pilots right here on the list. I see no reason to muddy the waters here. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com > > You might go to the Matronics Europa list and post the question re the Ivo > props. > Elbie > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:11 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I talked to Lance last year about his new prop and learned while doing so that he designs the prop to stand up to 700% RPM. The NSI props are not light weight, but there is a reason for that. Don't know about the IVO, I but do know that the NSI prop is strong. Kurt S. --- cnichols wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" > > > Does anyone in the group have any experience with > the cockpit adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with > their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo > in-flight adjustable prop? __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:15 AM PST US From: "Steve M" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" I've often wondered if it would be possible to use an automotive-type external luggage carrier on a Kitfox, mounted under the belly just behind the gear legs. Specifically, one of the long black plastic ones from the Yakima or Thule outfits. You probably know the one I mean: Long and narrow, tapered at one end, sort of squared off on the other end. They are usually mounted on top of cars, tapered end to the front and curved surface on top. I was thinking of turning it both upside-down and backwards, so the blunt end was forward and the flat side nestled against the bottom of the plane. Have to fabricate some sort of mounts to attach it to the bear and float mounts. Probably have to remove it from the plane to open it, since it's upside-down, unless you want your stuff to spill all over the ramp into those oil stains left by somebody's DC-3. Probably have to go behind the gear legs so that a hard landing won't cause the bungee bars to hit it. And blunt end forward because I have a hunch that's a lower-drag configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing has its rounded edge forward and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back. Anyone ever tried this? Steve Maher Kitfox Model 2, what's a "luggage compartment"? San Diego, CA >From: "Allan Arthur" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo Pod Wanted >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:23:43 -0800 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Arthur" > >Former Lister, Tim Glenn is looking for a Cargo Pod, can anyone help? > >Received this message from Tim: > >>Hope all is well with you and your family. Hey I was wondering if you >are still plugged into the Kitfox e-mail list. If you are, could you >inquire if anyone might have a Kitfox cargo pod they would be willing to >sell or perhaps even rent. I'm thinking of making the trek to OSH next >summer and I need more cargo space. As you know my early model 5 has a >very >small area behind the seat. > >>Tim > >Thanks, >Allan Arthur >N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (107 hours) >912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop >Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8) > > Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:29 AM PST US From: "Steve M" Subject: Kitfox-List: "Learning to fly again" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" Not directly Kitfox-related, but cool anyway. http://www.townhall.com Learning to fly again by Emmett Tyrrell November 27, 2003 KITTY HAWK, N.C. -- Almost 100 years after the Wright brothers' first flight, there is drama down here at the memorial where the Ohio bicycle entrepreneurs made history. For five days in the middle of December, the Wright Brothers National Memorial will be celebrating the brothers' historic flight. The ceremonies begin on Saturday, Dec. 13. By Dec. 15, some of the most famous names in aviation will be arriving, among them Chuck Yeager, the fabled test pilot who along with other achievements was the first to fly faster than the speed of sound, and Neil Armstrong, commander of Apollo 11, who on July 20, 1969, became the first human to walk on the moon. Then, on Dec. 17, this windswept field will be crowded with dignitaries and ordinary Americans to commemorate the centennial of the "12 seconds that changed the world." But there is another drama taking place right now. Before I mention today's drama, consider Orville and Wilbur Wright's exploits. Back in Dayton, they were successful businessmen. Wilbur, the older brother, was bookish and intense. Orville was more outgoing and glad-handing. Both disturbed the town's settled folk with talk of putting one of their contraptions into the air and actually flying from one point to another. There were many in 19th century Dayton who thought such talk was weird -- some thought it blasphemous. Yet the brothers kept tinkering in their shop and disappearing to North Carolina's Outer Banks, where they would take advantage of the ceaseless winds to develop wings, propellers and an engine. The last two contrivances would complete their invention of what we today call the airplane. The brothers' propeller and engine were uniquely their own creations, manifestations of scientific and engineering skills that set them apart. By 1903, and after many depressing setbacks, they thought they had a crack at making the first manned heavier-than-air flight. Dressed in coats and ties on a chilly week in December, they brought their heavier-than-air contraption to this field. They attached their 12 horsepower, 180-pound engine to a 40-foot, 605-pound "Flyer" that looked like what we today might call a biplane. Winning a coin toss over brother Orville, Wilbur on Dec. 14 made the first attempt to ride the Flyer into the sky. As it left its launching rail, Wilbur miscalculated his steering device and, after a brief ascent, hit the sand. After repairs, the brothers were ready again on Dec. 17. This time, it was Orville's turn. At 10:35 in the morning, he accelerated the Flyer along the rail, with his brother running alongside steadying the wings. This time, the bird took off, and man's first flight lasted 12 seconds and covered 120 feet. Taking turns, Wilbur and Orville made three more flights that day, ending with Wilbur's record-setting 59 seconds aloft, covering 852 feet. It all sounds quite easy, but everything they did that day and in all the days leading up to the historic flight was arduous and chancy. After their last flight, a gust of wind caught the parked machine, tipped it over and smashed it beyond repair. The brothers returned to Dayton. Throughout the next two years, they refined their airplane, and by 1905 they could fly in circles for nearly 40 minutes. When they offered their contraption to the United States Army, they were snubbed. Washington doubted their claims. For the next three years, they gave up flying, as government aviators in Washington and Paris tried to duplicate their achievement. All failed badly (by 1906, none had remained above ground for more than a few seconds), and doubts about the Wright brothers' claims spread. Not until 1908 did they sign agreements with our government and the French to assist those governments' faltering flying programs. Then, joining with the Army and the French, the Wrights proved their superiority. Soon Wilbur, in a more advanced plane, could remain aloft for 2 hours, reaching an altitude of 360 feet. No one in the Army or in France had matched them. Now they had proved their genius. Here in Kitty Hawk, their genius has been proved again. On Nov. 20, modern Americans tried to fly a replica of the Wright brothers' plane in preparation for the centennial on Dec. 17. It flew 119 feet, one foot short of the brothers' first flight, and crashed badly. No one was hurt, but the plane is a mess. Now with great drama, a crew of 21st century technicians is trying to get the plane back together for the take-off at 10:35, 100 years after the first flight. They hope they can repair their modern-day airplane so it can be flown on the day of the great celebration. Maybe they can, but they have another problem. What if our modern engineers and aviators fail to fly it as far as Orville flew his? Yeager broke the sound barrier. Armstrong walked on the moon. But here at Kitty Hawk, it is too early to say that we moderns can match those bicycle entrepreneurs from Dayton, Ohio. Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:19 AM PST US From: "gene m. calkins" Subject: Kitfox-List: SKIS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" List I have tracked down the guy that makes the skis that the wheel protrudes thru the ski. I posted the pictures on sportflight.com in add-ons.. His name is Greg Klemp PH. 1-920-293-8089 he is located at Neshkoro Wisconsin USA that is about 30mi.west of the OSH airport. He is the guy that builds the engine mounts, control sticks and other parts for the Sonex airplane. He is at that phone 5 days a week. Gene N99GC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:49 AM PST US From: "dmorisse" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" > I've often wondered if it would be possible to use an automotive-type > external luggage carrier on a Kitfox, mounted under the belly just behind > the gear legs. Specifically, one of the long black plastic ones from the > Yakima or Thule outfits. You probably know the one I mean: Long and narrow, > tapered at one end, sort of squared off on the other end. > > They are usually mounted on top of cars, tapered end to the front and curved > surface on top. I was thinking of turning it both upside-down and backwards, > so the blunt end was forward and the flat side nestled against the bottom of > the plane. Have to fabricate some sort of mounts to attach it to the bear > and float mounts. Probably have to remove it from the plane to open it, > since it's upside-down, unless you want your stuff to spill all over the > ramp into those oil stains left by somebody's DC-3. > > Probably have to go behind the gear legs so that a hard landing won't cause > the bungee bars to hit it. And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded edge forward and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back. > > Anyone ever tried this? > > Steve Maher > Kitfox Model 2, what's a "luggage compartment"? > San Diego, CA I've considered the same thing Steve and always wondered why it's aerodynamically backward. Then again, sail boats seem to be the same way. Maybe water dynamics are different. Go for it and let us know how it works. Darrel ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:33 AM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Yes, I have the NSI electrically adjustable prop setup on my Series 5. What can I tell you about it? -Scott McClintock, PLS- Nome, Alaska cnichols wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" > > Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop? > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:41 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe dmorisse wrote: > I've considered the same thing Steve and always wondered why it's > aerodynamically backward. Then again, sail boats seem to be the same way. > Maybe water dynamics are different. Allow me to respectfully disagree with you, Darrel. A wing has to have a blunt leading edge because if it hadn't, it would work fine for a very small change in AoA but then stall very quick once the angle is wrong. A sailboat has often quite symmetrical waterlines or buttock lines, if you look at the longitudinal sections. True, they often have a square transom, but that is over the waterline, thus not interfering with the flow of the water. True also, some modern racing sailboats have rather horizontal buttock lines, aft of midship. But that is because the want to win races on the downwind leg, using big spinnakers and they can only exceed their "hump" speed (1.34 times the square root of the LWL, in feet) by "climbing" their bow wave. And to do that, they need lift, as do speed boats and seaplanes. On the other hand, vessels on the low range of the speed/length ratio, like tankers, often have a bulb bow, pretty similar to a the blunt leading edge of a wing. In fact, the ideal submarine would be an egg, blunt end first, and a tail 9 times as long as the egg's length. I am sure you can figure out what, in nature, has copied these features; the little guys who transmit their genes if they come first, the natural selection! :-) Regarding these "car cargo pods," that are very popular in Norway, because we use them for our skis - I guess their sleek forward end and blunt after end is only a matter of design, matching the look of the car itself. Yes, much is done to streamline the bonnet of a car, but nothing, really, to reduce the tremendous drag of air it pulls behind. And it may be just as well; a good aerodynamic car with a long tail would be difficult to park! :-) Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:13 PM PST US From: "JMCBEAN" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" Flown behind the Ivo and have been running it on the 912 ULS for the last 72 hours. I have been very pleased with the performance. Blue Skies!! John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cnichols Subject: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:28 PM PST US From: KFN102LG@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KFN102LG@aol.com One thing to keep in mind is that most of these pods have two flimsily latches and hinges to hold the pod cover in place and a reinforced bottom. Mounting the unit upside down means the load will be suspended from the latches and hinges and turbulence could cause your Fox to resemble a C47 during D-day not to mention what aerodynamic differences you could have with the unit partially open. Approach this modification carefully. Larry Gagnon ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:03 PM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" I have 800 trouble-free hours on my NSI CAP Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cnichols Subject: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit adjustable prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:53 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Steve, Interesting idea. A local builder used a plaster pan - the kind plasterers use to mix the stuff on his airplane. It looked pretty good. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve M" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" > > I've often wondered if it would be possible to use an automotive-type > external luggage carrier on a Kitfox, mounted under the belly just behind > the gear legs. Specifically, one of the long black plastic ones from the > Yakima or Thule outfits. You probably know the one I mean: Long and narrow, > tapered at one end, sort of squared off on the other end. > > They are usually mounted on top of cars, tapered end to the front and curved > surface on top. I was thinking of turning it both upside-down and backwards, > so the blunt end was forward and the flat side nestled against the bottom of > the plane. Have to fabricate some sort of mounts to attach it to the bear > and float mounts. Probably have to remove it from the plane to open it, > since it's upside-down, unless you want your stuff to spill all over the > ramp into those oil stains left by somebody's DC-3. > > Probably have to go behind the gear legs so that a hard landing won't cause > the bungee bars to hit it. And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded edge forward and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back. > > Anyone ever tried this? > > Steve Maher > Kitfox Model 2, what's a "luggage compartment"? > San Diego, CA > > > >From: "Allan Arthur" > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo Pod Wanted > >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:23:43 -0800 > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Arthur" > > > >Former Lister, Tim Glenn is looking for a Cargo Pod, can anyone help? > > > >Received this message from Tim: > > >>Hope all is well with you and your family. Hey I was wondering if you > >are still plugged into the Kitfox e-mail list. If you are, could you > >inquire if anyone might have a Kitfox cargo pod they would be willing to > >sell or perhaps even rent. I'm thinking of making the trek to OSH next > >summer and I need more cargo space. As you know my early model 5 has a > >very > >small area behind the seat. > > >>Tim > > > >Thanks, > >Allan Arthur > >N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (107 hours) > >912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop > >Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8) > > > > > > Cell phone switch rules are taking effect find out more here. > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:01 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: Rotax 618 muffler --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Sent to wrong address. -----Original Message----- From: wing3120 [mailto:wing3120@yahoo.com] Subject: Rotax 618 muffler I would appreciate it if anyone could provide me with info on replacing a Rotax 618 with a Bluehead 582. My K4-1200 has just turned 300 hours so it's time to rebuild/replace the engine. The muffler is cracked and part of the baffle system has broken loose. New mufflers if I could find one run $750 or so. It may be best to upgrade to a new 582 considering the combined cost of the muffler and rebuild. My concern is how the 582 will fit in place of the 618 considering the difference in the exhaust system. It appears that the 618 muffler may have been welded up special to fit the Kitfox. The canister runs down the left side and the cone across the front under the engine mount. To make the distance across it looks like a small section was welded to the cone. The people at Skystar don't seem to know anything about the 618 powered kits as they were before their time. Any photos of the 582 exhaust installation would really help me. Thanks Don Berridge ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:49 PM PST US From: "Bob Robertson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: FW: Rotax 618 muffler --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" Don B, You could do a change over to the 582 quite easily.... Your current gear drive would be a bolt on. The engine will be a "drop in" as the engine mounting bolts patterns are identical. The exhaust system is going to be the biggest difference. The 582 exhaust is more compact and will fit inside your cowl nicely. You could even use your existing propeller (as long as it is an adjustable prop). You may be best off in asking Skystar what chances they make to the 582 exhaust manifold (Y-Pipe). I believe they make a slight change so the exhaust system clears the cowling. Hope this helps Bob Robertson Light Engnie Services Ltd. Rotax Service Center St. Albert, Ab. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: Rotax 618 muffler > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > Sent to wrong address. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wing3120 [mailto:wing3120@yahoo.com] > To: owner-kitfox@sportflight.com > Subject: Rotax 618 muffler > > I would appreciate it if anyone could provide me with info on replacing a > Rotax 618 with a Bluehead 582. My K4-1200 has just turned 300 hours so it's > time to rebuild/replace the engine. The muffler is cracked and part of the > baffle system has broken loose. > New mufflers if I could find one run $750 or so. It may be best to upgrade > to a new 582 considering the combined cost of the muffler and rebuild. > My concern is how the 582 will fit in place of the 618 considering the > difference in the exhaust system. It appears that the 618 muffler may have > been welded up special to fit the Kitfox. The canister runs down the left > side and the cone across the front under the engine mount. To make the > distance across it looks like a small section was welded to the cone. The > people at Skystar don't seem to know anything about the 618 powered kits as > they were before their time. > Any photos of the 582 exhaust installation would really help me. > > Thanks > Don Berridge > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:30 PM PST US From: RiteAngle3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, lcfitt@inreach.com writes: And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded edge forward and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back. > Lowell, My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the air find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars and the blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square trailing edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward. With the wing you are looking for lift :-) Elbie Elbie Mendenhall www.RiteAngle.com