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1. 06:36 AM - Re: In-flight adjustable props (Steve Zakreski)
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Steve Zakreski)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (charles b cook)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Lowell Fitt)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Steve Zakreski)
7. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
8. 09:50 AM - Streamlining (Steve Zakreski)
9. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Steve Zakreski)
10. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Steve Zakreski)
11. 10:44 AM - Rigging (Bill Hammond)
12. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Randy Daughenbaugh)
13. 11:33 AM - Re: Rigging (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
14. 01:00 PM - Re: Rigging (kurt schrader)
15. 01:25 PM - Re: New ownership? (kurt schrader)
16. 01:32 PM - Re: Rigging (JMCBEAN)
17. 02:29 PM - ski plane photos (W Duke)
18. 03:24 PM - Re: Rigging (Roger McConnell)
19. 04:18 PM - Re: ski plane photos (Michel Verheughe)
20. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod Suggestion (Bob Unternaehrer)
21. 05:26 PM - New ownership? (sid)
22. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Cargo Pod and spring gear ?? (Tom Tomlin)
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| Subject: | In-flight adjustable props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I have over 250 hours with the NSI CAP prop. Great prop. Outstanding
quality. Absolutely no problems whatsoever.
SteveZ
Calgary
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cnichols
Subject: Kitfox-List: In-flight adjustable props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cnichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Does anyone in the group have any experience with the cockpit adjustable
prop sold by NSI for use with their EA81 Subaru conversion? What about the
Ivo in-flight adjustable prop?
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| Subject: | RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
In that case, I suggest we should all reinstall our wheel pants backwards.
;-)
SteveZ
Calgary
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag
configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded
edge forward
and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
>
Lowell,
My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the air
find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars and
the
blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square trailing
edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward.
With the wing you are looking for lift :-)
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
www.RiteAngle.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook <cookflys@juno.com>
Steve keep us posted on what you learn as I am very interested in buying
building some type of pod.
Charles Cook
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:57:49 -0800 "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
writes:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
> I've often wondered if it would be possible to use an
> automotive-type
> external luggage carrier on a Kitfox, mounted under the belly just
> behind
> the gear legs. Specifically, one of the long black plastic ones from
> the
> Yakima or Thule outfits. You probably know the one I mean: Long and
> narrow,
> tapered at one end, sort of squared off on the other end.
>
> They are usually mounted on top of cars, tapered end to the front
> and curved
> surface on top. I was thinking of turning it both upside-down and
> backwards,
> so the blunt end was forward and the flat side nestled against the
> bottom of
> the plane. Have to fabricate some sort of mounts to attach it to the
> bear
> and float mounts. Probably have to remove it from the plane to open
> it,
> since it's upside-down, unless you want your stuff to spill all over
> the
> ramp into those oil stains left by somebody's DC-3.
>
> Probably have to go behind the gear legs so that a hard landing
> won't cause
> the bungee bars to hit it. And blunt end forward because I have a
> hunch
> that's a lower-drag configuration than tapered end forward, just
> like a wing
> has its rounded edge forward and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
>
> Anyone ever tried this?
>
> Steve Maher
> Kitfox Model 2, what's a "luggage compartment"?
> San Diego, CA
>
>
> >From: "Allan Arthur" <alnan@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo Pod Wanted
> >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:23:43 -0800
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Arthur"
> <alnan@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Former Lister, Tim Glenn is looking for a Cargo Pod, can anyone
> help?
> >
> >Received this message from Tim:
> > >>Hope all is well with you and your family. Hey I was wondering
> if you
> >are still plugged into the Kitfox e-mail list. If you are, could
> you
> inquire if anyone might have a Kitfox cargo pod they would be willing
> to
> >sell or perhaps even rent. I'm thinking of making the trek to OSH
> next
> >summer and I need more cargo space. As you know my early model 5
> has a
> >very
> >small area behind the seat.
> > >>Tim
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Allan Arthur
> >N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (107 hours)
> >912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop
> >Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8)
> >
> >
>
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> http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I appreciate the impression given by a couple of recent posts, that I have
responded in a rather scientific manner regarding the airfoil benefits of
the cargo pod, but to clarify my contribution to this subject, I have copied
and pasted my actual comments which follow:
"Steve,
Interesting idea. A local builder used a plaster pan - the kind plasterers
use to mix the stuff on his airplane. It looked pretty good.
Lowell"
----- Original Message -----
From: <RiteAngle3@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
> And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag
> configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded
edge forward
> and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
> >
> Lowell,
> My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the
air
> find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars and
the
> blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square
trailing
> edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward.
>
> With the wing you are looking for lift :-)
> Elbie
> Elbie Mendenhall
> www.RiteAngle.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve, Maybe our lift strut fairings also.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> In that case, I suggest we should all reinstall our wheel pants backwards.
> ;-)
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> RiteAngle3@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
> And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag
> configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded
> edge forward
> and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
> >
> Lowell,
> My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the
air
> find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars and
> the
> blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square
trailing
> edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward.
>
> With the wing you are looking for lift :-)
> Elbie
> Elbie Mendenhall
> www.RiteAngle.com
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Elbie
You may have interpreted his comments backwards. Once again, this is regular
teaching in fluid mechanics 101 (twice in one month!) An object blunt on the
leading edge (within reason) allows the air to form its own shape. On the
trailing edge, it creates a significant negative pressure area causing a
suction on the object. Hence the standard teardrop for wheel pants etc.
Cars have a practical limitation on length, and it eventually comes down to
accepting the losses from a blunt tail rather than the impracticalities of a
6 foot tail cone.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag
configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded
edge forward
and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
>
Lowell,
My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the air
find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars and
the
blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square trailing
edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward.
With the wing you are looking for lift :-)
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
www.RiteAngle.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/03 9:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
szakreski@shaw.ca writes:
On the
trailing edge, it creates a significant negative pressure area causing a
suction on the object. Hence the standard teardrop for wheel pants etc
Perhaps the answer it to contact the company that designed the cartop
holder and see what their answer is :-)
Which causes the most drag, the lift created or the "suction" I don't know,
I am just going from what my Aero man told me and my observations.
I do know on the vane on the RiteAngle until we went to the current vane
we had very little stability or accuracy and we tried all sorts of airfoils,
but we were looking for something different that just a lifting airfoil. It made
the system work as designed, even in '93~on the first ones
I was told the airfoil we use has the lowest drag, highest centering
force, and the least possibility of flutter than anything my Aero man tested in
nearly 30 years at Douglas A/C in fighter aircraft design.
Elbie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Going further...
I recall being taught that a lot of "fine tuning" was taking place at the
time to minimize the losses associated with a blunt tail object. In other
words, GIVEN that you are stuck with having to place a somewhat blunt tailed
object into an air stream, there were ways being researched to minimize
these losses, and the past practice of using a half-aerodynamic design often
gave much worse performance than the chopped rear end.
Also...the aerodynamics relating to an object slithering quickly over a flat
surface (like a car) are somewhat different that an aircraft.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Elbie
You may have interpreted his comments backwards. Once again, this is regular
teaching in fluid mechanics 101 (twice in one month!) An object blunt on the
leading edge (within reason) allows the air to form its own shape. On the
trailing edge, it creates a significant negative pressure area causing a
suction on the object. Hence the standard teardrop for wheel pants etc.
Cars have a practical limitation on length, and it eventually comes down to
accepting the losses from a blunt tail rather than the impracticalities of a
6 foot tail cone.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag
configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its rounded
edge forward
and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
>
Lowell,
My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the air
find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars and
the
blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square trailing
edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward.
With the wing you are looking for lift :-)
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
www.RiteAngle.com
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| Subject: | RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Well...admit. Maybe they covered that in fluid mechanics 102...
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/03 9:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
szakreski@shaw.ca writes:
On the
trailing edge, it creates a significant negative pressure area causing a
suction on the object. Hence the standard teardrop for wheel pants etc
Perhaps the answer it to contact the company that designed the cartop
holder and see what their answer is :-)
Which causes the most drag, the lift created or the "suction" I don't know,
I am just going from what my Aero man told me and my observations.
I do know on the vane on the RiteAngle until we went to the current vane
we had very little stability or accuracy and we tried all sorts of airfoils,
but we were looking for something different that just a lifting airfoil. It
made
the system work as designed, even in '93~on the first ones
I was told the airfoil we use has the lowest drag, highest centering
force, and the least possibility of flutter than anything my Aero man tested
in
nearly 30 years at Douglas A/C in fighter aircraft design.
Elbie
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| Subject: | RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>>Well...admit. Maybe they covered that in fluid mechanics 102...
Elbie
That was supposed to say "Well...dammit..." but my spell checker changed
it. !!?
Anyway...fun discussion.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/03 9:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
szakreski@shaw.ca writes:
On the
trailing edge, it creates a significant negative pressure area causing a
suction on the object. Hence the standard teardrop for wheel pants etc
Perhaps the answer it to contact the company that designed the cartop
holder and see what their answer is :-)
Which causes the most drag, the lift created or the "suction" I don't know,
I am just going from what my Aero man told me and my observations.
I do know on the vane on the RiteAngle until we went to the current vane
we had very little stability or accuracy and we tried all sorts of airfoils,
but we were looking for something different that just a lifting airfoil. It
made
the system work as designed, even in '93~on the first ones
I was told the airfoil we use has the lowest drag, highest centering
force, and the least possibility of flutter than anything my Aero man tested
in
nearly 30 years at Douglas A/C in fighter aircraft design.
Elbie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
I'm in the process of flight testing my series 6. I detect a
slight left wing heavy while flying. What is the best way to
adjust the rigging to eliminate this?
Should the lift spar rod ends on the right wing be slightly
lengthened to increase its dihedral? Both rod ends or just one
to change the washout (twist)?
Ideas, anecdotes, and suggestions are welcome.
Bill Hammond
N913KF
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| Subject: | RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Just want to raise one issue that I haven't seen mentioned.
From the initial description, it sounds like you are anticipating
installing this aft of the CG. This will cause real problems shifting
the CG with various loads. If it can be located right at the CG this
problem largely goes away.
With the spring gear it may be possible to locate this at the CG AND
clean up the aerodynamically dirty bottom of our planes at the same
time. Just need to leave room for the gear to flex.
See the Airdale designs.
http://69.56.183.114/~airdale/new_airdale.htm
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>>Well...admit. Maybe they covered that in fluid mechanics 102...
Elbie
That was supposed to say "Well...dammit..." but my spell checker
changed
it. !!?
Anyway...fun discussion.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/03 9:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
szakreski@shaw.ca writes:
On the
trailing edge, it creates a significant negative pressure area causing a
suction on the object. Hence the standard teardrop for wheel pants etc
Perhaps the answer it to contact the company that designed the cartop
holder and see what their answer is :-)
Which causes the most drag, the lift created or the "suction" I don't
know,
I am just going from what my Aero man told me and my observations.
I do know on the vane on the RiteAngle until we went to the current
vane
we had very little stability or accuracy and we tried all sorts of
airfoils,
but we were looking for something different that just a lifting airfoil.
It
made
the system work as designed, even in '93~on the first ones
I was told the airfoil we use has the lowest drag, highest centering
force, and the least possibility of flutter than anything my Aero man
tested
in
nearly 30 years at Douglas A/C in fighter aircraft design.
Elbie
==
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==
==
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/03 10:45:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kitfox@itsys3.com writes:
I'm in the process of flight testing my series 6. I detect a
slight left wing heavy while flying. What is the best way to
adjust the rigging to eliminate this?
Should the lift spar rod ends on the right wing be slightly
lengthened to increase its dihedral?
>>Dihedral won't change the wing heavy condition
Both rod ends or just one to change the washout (twist)?
>>Do only one thing at a time, slowly, like a half turn~~REAR STRUT Shorten
left one or lengthen rt. one, but ONLY one at a time, and slowly, Been there
done that :-)
>Makes no difference what type of aircraft, what you are doing is changing
the AOA of the wing by twisting it, if shortening Left one you are increasing
AOA of the outer section basically. If the left wing is heavy either it needs to
create more lift, or the Rt. needs less lift.
The AOA varies from fuse to tip normally called twist, You want some twist
to insure center section stalls prior to outer section i.e. outer section has
less AOA than inner section
Elbie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Bill,
To keep it simple, I would try turning the left rear
rod end in 1/2 half turn to see what that does for
you. It should give you a small but measurable
change. After testing, if needed, try another 1/2
turn in.
If that still isn't enough, go to the right wing front
rod end and bring that in 1/2 half turn. One more 1/2
turn in if testing shows it is still needed there.
That gives you up to 2 full turns difference without
making much change to either wing. That should be
enough to cover a "slight" heavy wing.
I like starting with "in" first because I don't have
any witness holes in my struts. More threads in are
better.
If it is heavier than that, you can go "out" using 1/2
turn increments up to 1 turn on the left front and
right rear rod ends, one at a time.
That should get you a pretty good lift change without
any major change to any one rod end fitting or wing.
Kurt S.
--- Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond
> <kitfox@itsys3.com>
>
> I'm in the process of flight testing my series 6. I
> detect a
> slight left wing heavy while flying. What is the
> best way to
> adjust the rigging to eliminate this?
>
> Bill Hammond
> N913KF
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| Subject: | Re: New ownership? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Wonder if Airdale could the backing for this?
Eliminate possible hard feelings and open both fleets
for upgrades.
Kurt S.
--- sid <sid@i2k.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid"
> <sid@i2k.com>
>
>
> Might be something for the factories in question to
> look at! Give one hell
> of a rounded out line of small aircraft with
> terrific
> versitility................
> ------------------
> > It would be historically funny if Avid and SS were
> > rejoined under new ownership.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> >
> > --- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> > > <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> > >
> > > I have been hesitant to say anything........ I
> have
> > > had several customers
> > > call about the status of Avid, have heard some
> talk
> > > about it and have had
> > > potential customers come to Skystar for a tour
> after
> > > they went to Avid.
> > >
> > > The bottom line of what I have heard is that
> Avid is
> > > out of business... the
> > > hanger in MT is empty and people are looking for
> the
> > > assets which seem to be
> > > "on the move".
> > >
> > > Blue Skies!!
> > > John & Debra McBean
> > > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Bill,
If you have definitely determined that it is the wing and not yaw that
is
causing the wing heavy condition then I would suggest that you turn the
forward right wing rod end in probably one turn. If you need to correct more
then two turns then start to split the difference between the right and left
wings. You should only need to adjust the forward rod ends and most likely
only the one side.
If you fly from the right seat does it still want to turn left ??
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Hammond
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rigging
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
I'm in the process of flight testing my series 6. I detect a
slight left wing heavy while flying. What is the best way to
adjust the rigging to eliminate this?
Should the lift spar rod ends on the right wing be slightly
lengthened to increase its dihedral? Both rod ends or just one
to change the washout (twist)?
Ideas, anecdotes, and suggestions are welcome.
Bill Hammond
N913KF
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| Subject: | ski plane photos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Does anyone still have the link to the Swiss ski plane photos?
Do not archive
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Bill,
The slight heavy left wing to me would suggest a little too much positive
incidence on the right wing. I would shorten the right front rod end, or
maybe lengthen the right rear. This would also increase your washout on the
right wing........IMHO
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Hammond
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rigging
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
I'm in the process of flight testing my series 6. I detect a
slight left wing heavy while flying. What is the best way to
adjust the rigging to eliminate this?
Should the lift spar rod ends on the right wing be slightly
lengthened to increase its dihedral? Both rod ends or just one
to change the washout (twist)?
Ideas, anecdotes, and suggestions are welcome.
Bill Hammond
N913KF
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| Subject: | Re: ski plane photos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
W Duke wrote:
> Does anyone still have the link to the Swiss ski plane photos?
Here it is, Maxwell:
http://www.gletscherflug.ch/glacierlanding.htm
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Lift struts already are "blunt end" forward,,,, aren't they????? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Steve, Maybe our lift strut fairings also.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> >
> > In that case, I suggest we should all reinstall our wheel pants
backwards.
> > ;-)
> >
> > SteveZ
> > Calgary
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > RiteAngle3@aol.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Cargo Pod Suggestion
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 12/12/03 5:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
> > And blunt end forward because I have a hunch > that's a lower-drag
> > configuration than tapered end forward, just like a wing > has its
rounded
> > edge forward
> > and tapered-to-a-knife-edge back.
> > >
> > Lowell,
> > My aerodynamicist said [in my words] "the blunt trailing edge lets the
> air
> > find its own airfoil for least amount of drag"~~look at the newer cars
and
> > the
> > blunt rear ends, also the X-15 at the other speed range had square
> trailing
> > edges on the fins, like a triangle, sharp edge forward.
> >
> > With the wing you are looking for lift :-)
> > Elbie
> > Elbie Mendenhall
> > www.RiteAngle.com
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
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>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
Kurt, I sent a copy of this on to Steve Winder. He will see to it that
anyone with the means will get the idea and comments...........might even
see some results from all of this. We can only benefit in the long run!
Sid
---------
> Wonder if Airdale could the backing for this?
> Eliminate possible hard feelings and open both fleets
> for upgrades.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> >
> > Might be something for the factories in question to
> > look at! Give one hell
> > of a rounded out line of small aircraft with
> > terrific
> > versatility................
> > ------------------
> > > It would be historically funny if Avid and SS were
> > > rejoined under new ownership.
> > >
> > > > I have been hesitant to say anything........ I
> > have
> > > > had several customers
> > > > call about the status of Avid, have heard some
> > talk
> > > > about it and have had
> > > > potential customers come to Skystar for a tour
> > after
> > > > they went to Avid.
> > > >
> > > > The bottom line of what I have heard is that
> > Avid is
> > > > out of business... the
> > > > hanger in MT is empty and people are looking for
> > the
> > > > assets which seem to be
> > > > "on the move".
> > > >
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cargo Pod and spring gear ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Tomlin" <thomastomlin@comcast.net>
Any suggestions or photos of how to attach the Kitfox pod
with the spring gear?
I picked up a used one and the forward mounting points are
covered by the wide gear.
Tom Tomlin
IV speedster
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