---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/24/03: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:53 AM - Ski Instalation Instructions (Larry) 2. 08:35 AM - new class (broschart) 3. 08:48 AM - christmas (gene m. calkins) 4. 09:12 AM - Re: new class (Ron Carroll) 5. 09:22 AM - Re: new class (Bruce Harrington) 6. 09:25 AM - Re: European microlights/homebuilt (Kitfox) 7. 09:32 AM - EAA - Centennial Homebuilts (Bruce Harrington) 8. 09:34 AM - Sport Pilot News! (sid) 9. 10:09 AM - Re: christmas (Dcecil3@aol.com) 10. 11:05 AM - Re: [Continues] Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to (Matt Dralle) 11. 11:13 AM - Sport Pilot News (steve cooper) 12. 11:55 AM - Happy Holidays (JMCBEAN) 13. 12:07 PM - Christmas Tradition (JMCBEAN) 14. 12:40 PM - Santa's on his way (Scott McClintock) 15. 12:59 PM - Re: European microlights/homebuilt (Michel Verheughe) 16. 01:42 PM - Re: Happy Holidays (Don Pearsall) 17. 02:32 PM - Merry Christmas (Kitfox) 18. 03:11 PM - Re: Santa's on his way (skyflyte@comcast.net) 19. 03:13 PM - Ho Ho Ho (Bruce Harrington) 20. 04:04 PM - OT: Santa by numbers (Michel Verheughe) 21. 04:12 PM - Re: Santa's on his way (Kitfox) 22. 04:15 PM - Scott McClintock - N772NR (FlyCyOZ@aol.com) 23. 04:32 PM - Re: christmas (Fred Shiple) 24. 04:54 PM - Santa by numbers (sid) 25. 05:17 PM - Re: OT: Santa by numbers (JMCBEAN) 26. 05:20 PM - Re: OT: Santa by numbers (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 27. 06:58 PM - Santa has help from a team of Kitfoxes (KITFOXZ@aol.com) 28. 08:19 PM - Re: Santa has help from a team of Kitfoxes (Don Pearsall) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:16 AM PST US From: Larry Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski Instalation Instructions --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Larry I have Avid's wheel penetration instructions saved to a jpeg file that I have tried to put on the Sport Flight site several times with no success. I did get them up on the Avid yahoo group site in the "files" section. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avid_flyer/ If you can't access them there, drop me a line and I can send them out. Merry Christmas, Larry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:24 AM PST US From: broschart Subject: Kitfox-List: new class --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart what ever happened to the sport class ruling last i heard it was supposed to be approved at the kitty hawk 100 aniverisy but i haven't seen any thing about it Have a good day - Charlie ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:06 AM PST US From: "gene m. calkins" Subject: Kitfox-List: christmas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" From our home to yours may you have a MERRY CHRISTMAS Gene & LuAnn Calkins Series 6 N99GC do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:07 AM PST US From: "Ron Carroll" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new class --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" This morning's USUA website says; 12/24/2003: Sport Pilot News USUA received a phone call at 10AM EST, December 24, 2003 from Sue Gardner of FAA informing us that late yesterday afternoon, the Secretary of the Department of Transportation has signed off on the proposed Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft Rule. It now goes to the Office of Management and Budget, the final step in the rulemaking process. OMB is expected to use their allotted 90 days to evaluate the rule and act accordingly. If all goes well, and there is little to expect otherwise, we may see SP/LSA sometime after April 2004. "This is great news for our community," says USUA EVP Dale Hooper, "USUA members who have not yet registered as ultralight pilots, are encouraged to do so immediately so that the special provisions allowed to persons holding this registration may be taken advantage of." USUA will continue to monitor the development of these proceedings and encourages all members to visit the USUA website for any and all news and announcements. - Dale Hooper, USUA Ron Carroll - KF3/582 - Oregon (Still looking for a prop) ----- Original Message ----- From: broschart To: fox2 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:04 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: new class --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart what ever happened to the sport class ruling last i heard it was supposed to be approved at the kitty hawk 100 aniverisy but i haven't seen any thing about it Have a good day - Charlie ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:27 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new class --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Stuck in the bowels of DOT! Now hoping for Oshkosh 2004. bh > what ever happened to the sport class ruling > last i heard it was supposed to be approved at the kitty hawk 100 > aniverisy but i haven't seen any thing about it > > Have a good day - Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:44 AM PST US From: "Kitfox" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: European microlights/homebuilt --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" Hi Chaps, that thing called work gets in the way of things...just picking up the thread again! No I haven't come across the site, just had a quick look at it. Some good stuff on it, is it a commercial venture or just someone with a good idea? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt A. Schumacher" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: European microlights/homebuilt > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kurt A. Schumacher" > > Michel, > > I am convinced ULMeurope would give us a way to update certain parts of the web pages - because it is still well known... _and_ ULM > Europe is...a Swiss company, exhibitor at the EAS Fly-In's...and owned and driven by Mr. Alain Lederer. > > Bet this would be a good start, right? > > Salut Alain, > > As you can see, there is a common European interest in providing Microlight related things - on www.ULMeurope.com . What about if a > small crew will go and add certain common information, let's say to start with updates to the international travel by microlight > information? > > I'll prefer to run this beside the Swiss homebuilt related EAS Web ;-) > > -Kurt. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: European microlights/homebuilt > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Kitfox wrote: > > I think that's a good idea with the web site, or at least a link to > > the relevant sites. > > Do you know of this site, Chris? > http://www.ulmeurope.com/ > > Unfortunately the site is not active anymore, due to lack of sponsor. But I think we could do with a European common place to > discuss European problems. Because the microlight rule is different for each country. Consider this, if I want to fly from Norway to > Spain, where I have family, I'll have to fly over Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, France and Spain, each country with its own > set of rules. Let's help each other to make that easier. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:46 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Kitfox-List: EAA - Centennial Homebuilts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Go here for a list and picts of Centennial Kitfoxes. J. McBean's is there, as are 13 others. Lots of Glastars. Just a few RVs q: P. And 13 Sonex, including mine. http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/list/100.asp Cheers, bh ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:59 AM PST US From: "sid" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot News! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" Hi guys. Today is a great day for Sport Aviation in the United States. Secretary Meneta of the Department of Transportation signed the new Sport Pilot rule. Now it goes to the Office of Management and Budget for final review-they, by law have 90 days to look at the rule...here's the clip: Sport Pilot News: USUA received a phone call at 10AM EST, December 24, 2003 from Sue Gardner of FAA informing us that late yesterday afternoon, the Secretary of the Department of Transportation has signed off on the proposed Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft Rule. It now goes to the Office ofManagement and Budget, the final step in the rulemaking process. OMB is expected to use their allotted 90 days to evaluate the rule and act accordingly. If all goes well, and there is little to expect otherwise, we may see SP/LSA sometime after April 2004. - Dale Hooper, USUA Sport Pilot creates a new Pilots certificate. Driver's liscense medical(no class III med required) and 20 hours of instruction. The rule also creates a new aircraft catagory called Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) this catagory is then broken down into two types Experimental Light Sport (ELSA) and Special Light Sport (SLA, Factory built). A CFI can conduct training in a SLA and be compensated for hire. An ELSA can be used for training, but, you can not charge for the aircraft. You can split the expenses of the flight with the student AND you can charge for your time as an instructor. It is a great day guys! ADVERTISEMENT a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avid_flyer/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: avid_flyer-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:14 AM PST US From: Dcecil3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: christmas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all the Foxes whatever the Model David and Mary Beth Cecil N950AW Soon to be N859DC Kitfox Model 3 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:48 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: [Continues] Intermittent Internet Connectivity Issues to Matronics... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Pacbell is suppose to be working the Matronics connectivity issue this morning. Intermittent connectivity is still a issue although things are better than yesterday. They will probably be doing some intrusive testing on the line later today which will disrupt connections during the test. More information as it becomes available! Thanks for your patience. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. At 02:59 PM 12/23/2003 Tuesday, you wrote: >Dear Listers, > >Starting at about 1:05pm PDT Matronics starting having intermittent >connectivity issues to the Internet. I've called the ISP and they are >looking into the problem and may do intrusive testing on the line at some >point this afternoon/evening. For the most part, things seem to be >working right now, but the line will drop out every once in a while for 2 >to 3 minutes. > >This problem will effect connections to the Matronics Web server as well >as distribution of List mail. > >I will post a follow up when the problem has been resolved... Hopefully >later today. > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Admin. > >do not archive Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:05 AM PST US From: steve cooper Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot News --> Kitfox-List message posted by: steve cooper Hi guys. Today is a great day for Sport Aviation in the United States. Secretary Meneta of the Department of Transportation signed the new Sport Pilot rule. Now it goes to the Office of Management and Budget for final review-they, by law have 90 days to look at the rule...here's the clip: Sport Pilot News: USUA received a phone call at 10AM EST, December 24, 2003 from Sue Gardner of FAA informing us that late yesterday afternoon, the Secretary of the Department of Transportation has signed off on the proposed Sport Pilot/Light Sport Aircraft Rule. It now goes to the Office ofManagement and Budget, the final step in the rulemaking process. OMB is expected to use their allotted 90 days to evaluate the rule and act accordingly. If all goes well, and there is little to expect otherwise, we may see SP/LSA sometime after April 2004. - Dale Hooper, USUA Sport Pilot creates a new Pilots certificate. Driver's liscense medical(no class III med required) and 20 hours of instruction. The rule also creates a new aircraft catagory called Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) this catagory is then broken down into two types Experimental Light Sport (ELSA) and Special Light Sport (SLA, Factory built). A CFI can conduct training in a SLA and be compensated for hire. An ELSA can be used for training, but, you can not charge for the aircraft. You can split the expenses of the flight with the student AND you can charge for your time as an instructor. It is a great day guys! Steve Cooper ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:18 AM PST US From: "JMCBEAN" Subject: Kitfox-List: Happy Holidays --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" Merry Christmas to all !!! John & Debra McBean N102YB ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:32 PM PST US From: "JMCBEAN" Subject: Kitfox-List: Christmas Tradition --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" One particular Christmas a long time ago, Santa was getting ready for His annual trip... but there were problems everywhere. Four of his elves got sick, and the trainee elves did not produce the toys as fast as the regular ones, so Santa was beginning to feel the pressure of being behind schedule. Then, Mrs. Claus told him that her Mom was coming to visit. This stressed Santa even more. Then when he went to harness the Reindeer, he found three of them were about to give birth and two had jumped the fence and were out, heaven knows where. More stress. Then when he began to load the sleigh one of the boards cracked and the Toy bag fell to the ground, and scattered the toys. So, frustrated, Santa Went back into the house for a cup of coffee and a shot of whiskey. When he went to the cupboard, he discovered the elves had hid the liquor and there was nothing to drink. In his frustration, he accidentally dropped the coffee pot and it broke into hundreds of little pieces all over the kitchen floor. He went to get the broom and found that mice had eaten the straw it was made from. Just then, the doorbell rang and Santa cussed his way to the door. He opened the door and there was a little angel with a great big Christmas Tree. The angel said, very cheerfully, "Merry Christmas Santa. Isn't it just a lovely day? I have a beautiful tree for you, Isn't it just a lovely tree? Where would you like me to stick it?" Thus began the tradition of the little angel on top of the Christmas Tree Blue Skies!! John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:05 PM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Kitfox-List: Santa's on his way --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Well, I was just outside. The temperature is a "balmy" -12 degrees and I happened to look up and what do you think I saw? That's right, a rather un-aerodynamic, large red sleigh and twelve reindeer. (actually, they could have been caribou, it's hard to tell at a distance) I couldn't quite make out the pilot although it was an open cockpit. Whoever the pilot was was wearing a rather colorful (red) flight suit. He was making a southerly (180) heading, descending from 5000. As it passed over the Nome (OME) airport, I could of sworn that there were packages of some sort being dropped. (I'll call the A/P manager and see if anyone got hurt.) Looks like the aircraft is making its way "down south" so be on the look-out for this guy. I'm not sure what he's up to, but I'm sure it is for benign purposes. Merry Christmas to All Scott McClintock "Arctic Fox" N772HR Nome, Alaska ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:38 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: European microlights/homebuilt --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Kurt A. Schumacher" wrote: > _and_ ULM Europe is...a Swiss company, I know, Kurt. And the funny thing is that ... Switzerland doesn't yet allow ULMs! :-) For our English speaking friends, ULM* stands for Ultra Lger Motoris. Which makes me think that Alain is ... a French speaking Swiss! :-) A shame this site is not running. It has a map of Europe with some of the ULM airfields. This is interesting for microlight travellers. Incidentally, from new year, I'll be helping the Norwegian Microlight Association to make a better web site. Unfortunately it is still only in Norwegian. In my opinion, an English version should also exist and it should be linked, somewhere in Europe. Merry Christmas to all of you! Michel * ULM is also used in Spain (ultra-ligero motorizado) and Italy. That's where Latin languages find their common root. Other common "Latin" acronyms: OTAN (NATO), SIDA (AIDS) and OVNI (UFO). do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:11 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Happy Holidays --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" That's a good one, John. Ho Ho Ho. Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:29 PM PST US From: "Kitfox" Subject: Kitfox-List: Merry Christmas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" Just thought I'd wish everyone on the list 'Merry Christmas' and a 'Happy & Healthy New Year' 'Happy Holidays' Chris Bates G-BSFY MKII UK Kitfox Owners Club (UK) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:27 PM PST US From: skyflyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Santa's on his way --> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net Same sighting over Maine just a few minutes ago, although steering an erratic heading, there were objects falling from the fuselage. Should I be calling Tom Ridge????? Is this why we are in code ORANGE???? Merry Christmas!!!! Mike Cannon > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock > > > Well, I was just outside. The temperature is a "balmy" -12 degrees and I > happened to look up and what do you think I saw? > That's right, a rather un-aerodynamic, large red sleigh and twelve > reindeer. (actually, they could have been caribou, it's hard to tell at > a distance) I couldn't quite make out the pilot although it was an open > cockpit. Whoever the pilot was was wearing a rather colorful (red) > flight suit. He was making a southerly (180) heading, descending from > 5000. As it passed over the Nome (OME) airport, I could of sworn that > there were packages of some sort being dropped. (I'll call the A/P > manager and see if anyone got hurt.) > Looks like the aircraft is making its way "down south" so be on the > look-out for this guy. I'm not sure what he's up to, but I'm sure it is > for benign purposes. > Merry Christmas to All > Scott McClintock > "Arctic Fox" N772HR > Nome, Alaska > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:16 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" "Sonexlist" , "Sonexplans" Subject: Kitfox-List: Ho Ho Ho --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" May you all have happy and excellent Holidays. (And those of you who are building - lots of progress) Bruce ex-N194KF - 582ed Kitfox IV-1200, 800+ hrs N321SX - Jab 3300ed Sonex, 59.1 hrs ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:29 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: OT: Santa by numbers --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe I did some research about Santa. It turns out that: There are 2 billion children in the world. But since Santa doesn't appear to handle Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish children, that reduces his work load to 15% of the total - a mere 378 million or so. At an average rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west. This works out to 822.6 visits per second. Santa has 1/1000th of a second to move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million homes are distributed evenly we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75 1/2 million miles. This means that Santa's sleigh is traveling at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized LEGO set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons not counting Santa. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" could pull TEN TIMES the usual amount, we need 214,000 reindeer. This increases the weight, not counting the sleigh, to 353,430 tons. 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.2 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. The entire team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousands of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times the force of gravity. A 300 pound Santa would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. Conclusion: There was a Santa, but he's dead now. Merry Christmas to everyone, anyway! :-) Michel Do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:45 PM PST US From: "Kitfox" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Santa's on his way --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" Good call Scott, my kids read your mail and scuttled off to bed so they don't miss the man in the red flight suit!! Have a good one Chris UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott McClintock" Subject: Kitfox-List: Santa's on his way > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock > > Well, I was just outside. The temperature is a "balmy" -12 degrees and I > happened to look up and what do you think I saw? > That's right, a rather un-aerodynamic, large red sleigh and twelve > reindeer. (actually, they could have been caribou, it's hard to tell at > a distance) I couldn't quite make out the pilot although it was an open > cockpit. Whoever the pilot was was wearing a rather colorful (red) > flight suit. He was making a southerly (180) heading, descending from > 5000. As it passed over the Nome (OME) airport, I could of sworn that > there were packages of some sort being dropped. (I'll call the A/P > manager and see if anyone got hurt.) > Looks like the aircraft is making its way "down south" so be on the > look-out for this guy. I'm not sure what he's up to, but I'm sure it is > for benign purposes. > Merry Christmas to All > Scott McClintock > "Arctic Fox" N772HR > Nome, Alaska > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:30 PM PST US From: FlyCyOZ@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Scott McClintock - N772NR --> Kitfox-List message posted by: FlyCyOZ@aol.com G'Day Scott, I saw your Kitfox parked at City/Munz Field when I was in OME in SEP -- good looking plane.....Hope that you are enjoying it. Cheers from Australia. cy ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:23 PM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: christmas --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple A joyous holiday to all on the list. Fred ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:22 PM PST US From: "sid" Subject: Kitfox-List: Santa by numbers --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" Mikey, you're a sicko, degenerate, psychotic weirdo. Everybody knows that Santa is real. Who eats the milk and cookies I put out every year.........? :-) Sid --------------------- > I did some research about Santa. It turns out that: > > There are 2 billion children in the world. But since Santa doesn't appear to > handle Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish children, that reduces his work load > to 15% of the total - a mere 378 million or so. At an average rate of 3.5 > children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. > > Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to time zones and the > rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west. This works out to > 822.6 visits per second. Santa has 1/1000th of a second to move on to the next > house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million homes are distributed evenly > we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75 1/2 > million miles. This means that Santa's sleigh is traveling at 650 miles per > second, 3000 > times the speed of sound. > > Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized LEGO set (2 > pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons not counting Santa. On land, > conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that > "flying reindeer" could pull TEN TIMES the usual amount, we need 214,000 > reindeer. This increases the weight, not counting the sleigh, to 353,430 tons. > > 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. > The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.2 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per > second. Each. The entire team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousands of a > second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times > the force of gravity. A 300 pound Santa would be pinned to the back of his > sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. > > Conclusion: There was a Santa, but he's dead now. > > Merry Christmas to everyone, anyway! :-) > > Michel > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:28 PM PST US From: "JMCBEAN" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OT: Santa by numbers --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" Michel..... You forgot one very critical piece of information..... Magic Dust... A little for the reindeer, a little for Santa Claus, a little bit more for Santa Claus, a little bit more for Santa Claus..... Besides... he has all year to recuperate so I don't think one night is going to kill him. Blue Skies!! John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: OT: Santa by numbers --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe I did some research about Santa. It turns out that: There are 2 billion children in the world. But since Santa doesn't appear to handle Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish children, that reduces his work load to 15% of the total - a mere 378 million or so. At an average rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west. This works out to 822.6 visits per second. Santa has 1/1000th of a second to move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million homes are distributed evenly we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75 1/2 million miles. This means that Santa's sleigh is traveling at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized LEGO set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons not counting Santa. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" could pull TEN TIMES the usual amount, we need 214,000 reindeer. This increases the weight, not counting the sleigh, to 353,430 tons. 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.2 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. The entire team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousands of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times the force of gravity. A 300 pound Santa would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. Conclusion: There was a Santa, but he's dead now. Merry Christmas to everyone, anyway! :-) Michel Do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Santa by numbers From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." Michel, Your thinking and numbers are flawed! The reason I think so is that I have evidence there is more than just one single Santa. We have been assuming there was only one by inference only. I was at Safeway buying a turkey and Santa was at the door collecting money for the Salvation Army and just as I noticed him I got a call on my cell phone from my wife at Bell Square (big shopping mall here) and from her vantage point, there were at least a dozen more Santas getting their photos taken with children and clearly there were more in department stores. Later she was in Factoria mall and saw more Santas. And, their have been Santas reported in other malls in California and even other cities in Washington too. So I believe there could be hundreds if not thousands or even 10's of thousands of Santas to do the big job tonight. The real truth is, not all the sleighs are pulled by Donner and Vixen and Rudolph. No one has said but there is undoubtedly 8 or 10 reindeer for every Santa. I think there is enough so they can all get there jobs done. I do think it is wishful thinking that he will come down your chimney. No 300 lb Santa is going to get down my 8 inch flue with a bag of toys. He's simply got to be doing it another way. And some people have a wood fire going too which would preclude using the chimney. In conclusion, since I don't think we can know all the details, let's just say there is something magical about the whole affair. Have a Merry Christmas everyone, and a Happy New Year Ho Ho Ho! On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 15:28, Michel Verheughe wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > I did some research about Santa. It turns out that: > > There are 2 billion children in the world. But since Santa doesn't appear to > handle Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish children, that reduces his work load > to 15% of the total - a mere 378 million or so. At an average rate of 3.5 > children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. > > Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to time zones and the > rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west. This works out to > 822.6 visits per second. Santa has 1/1000th of a second to move on to the next > house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million homes are distributed evenly > we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75 1/2 > million miles. This means that Santa's sleigh is traveling at 650 miles per > second, 3000 > times the speed of sound. > > Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized LEGO set (2 > pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons not counting Santa. On land, > conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that > "flying reindeer" could pull TEN TIMES the usual amount, we need 214,000 > reindeer. This increases the weight, not counting the sleigh, to 353,430 tons. > > 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. > The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.2 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per > second. Each. The entire team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousands of a > second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500 times > the force of gravity. A 300 pound Santa would be pinned to the back of his > sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. > > Conclusion: There was a Santa, but he's dead now. > > Merry Christmas to everyone, anyway! :-) > > Michel > > Do not archive > > > -- PAF Consulting Engineers | 427 - 140th Ave NE (425)641-8202 voice | Bellevue, WA 98005 (425)641-1773 fax | GnuPG Public Key - ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:36 PM PST US From: KITFOXZ@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Santa has help from a team of Kitfoxes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com Ok guys, I wrote this for fun a few years back at this time of year. Many of you will remember the names of those listed who are no longer on the list or with us. I simply chose 33 names from the last postings to the list that December. I personally miss seeing Mike Harter's postings. Christmas Eve in Melbourne, Florida By John P. Marzluf 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the town, No noses were frozen, no snow on the ground. No Melniks in flannels were tucked into bed, They all wore their headsets and flight suits instead. With Laura in curlers and Danny's ramp cap, They had just settled down for a long winter's nap. When out on the driveway there arose such a clatter, Danny sprang to the observation deck to see what was the matter. The moon was aglow on this clear winter's night, He checked the winds and noted twenty miles of clear sight. Then what on the pavement before his eyes did appear? But whole squadrons of Kitfoxes all pulling a giant sled in the rear! He called for his Zacky to make a count of 'em all 'for they go, But the young lad was online to, can you guess, Lego? He called out for Laura to come see all models 1,2,3,4,5 and newer, When suddenly up on that sleigh he saw, could that be Joe Brewer? Joe jumped from his mount and gave a wee chuckle, He was wearing Bermuda shorts and a Kitfox Lite buckle. He went straight to his work and unloaded for Dan's neighbor a kit crate, Pulled his flight log out and shouted: "That makes two hundred and eight!" Then back to the cockpit in a hurry he went, Scanned his team, "Is Harter's right flapperon bent?" "Clear all props!" he yelled loud as thunder, And they all fired up first lick, over three hundred in number! "Ready for take off!" He pulled out THE LIST, "On Czernin, on Ducar, on Jones, and Morrise! On Shumaker, Oakley, Pearsall, and Bennitae! On Graichen, Smythe, Shiple, and Fitt! On Harrington, Jr, Lynch, and Cygrit! On Kerr, Gordillo, Rice, and Franz! On Robertson, Hays, Roy, and Monse! On Liles, Lovern, Puls, and Hottle! On Doerwald, Robertson, Hausding, and Krottle!" They all flew away too fast, but you get the gist. Departure control heard Joe exclaim as he flew out of sight, "Merry Christmas Kitfoxers and to all a good flight!" ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:59 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Santa has help from a team of Kitfoxes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" John, I remember that poem well. Good job! It is still a keeper. Thank you for posting it again. Merry Christmas to all! Don Pearsall