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1. 06:09 AM - Split muffler on 912 UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
2. 06:17 AM - Fw: floats-S-6, amphib (Paul Seehafer)
3. 06:18 AM - Fw: First Flight (Paul Seehafer)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Double post (Bob Unternaehrer)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: spar wall thickness (Bob Unternaehrer)
6. 08:04 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Jeffrey Puls)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Kirk's Welding)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Flier)
9. 09:01 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (JMCBEAN)
10. 10:08 AM - Vixen Floats (John)
11. 12:06 PM - Another first flight (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
12. 12:26 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Lowell Fitt)
13. 01:08 PM - Re: Another first flight (dmorisse)
14. 01:34 PM - Re: Double post (Steve Gandy)
15. 02:00 PM - Removing PTT button from Model 2 stick? (Steve M)
16. 02:00 PM - Re: Another first flight (Michel Verheughe)
17. 05:02 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Roger Standley)
18. 05:19 PM - EJ22 in Sries 5 (Rick)
19. 05:22 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
20. 05:31 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
21. 05:46 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
22. 05:54 PM - Re: EJ22 in Sries 5 (roger augenstein)
23. 05:55 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
24. 06:18 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (JMCBEAN)
25. 06:20 PM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Clint Bazzill)
26. 08:58 PM - FW: Vixen Floats (John)
27. 09:02 PM - Re: Another first flight (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
28. 09:02 PM - Re: Another first flight (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
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| Subject: | Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on my
Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded twice in
the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the face
flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe enters
the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust enters
the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is too
much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope with these
extremes!
Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was the
remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to 3
hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler unit
available.
Any comments will help.
Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | floats-S-6, amphib |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
I think this message got lost in the technical problems, so here goes
again...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: floats-S-6, amphib
> Hi Fred:
>
> I'd suggest you contact Paul Liedl in Minnesota to find out about the
Murphy
> floats. He has a Model V with an io-240 on their 1500 amphibs. I guess
he
> likes them after working out the bugs of getting the airplane set up
> correctly. He can probably save you a lot of time and aggravation. I
think
> the biggest difference between the Murphy and the Czech floats is that you
> have to build the Murphys. And Paul told me it is just as big of job as
was
> building the airplane. So maybe the cost difference is really a bargain
in
> disguise? Also, let me know if you are serious about Czech floats as I
have
> a good buddy that works for the Czech float company and I can hook you
guys
> up. I think he can save you some money maybe? Also, he can possibly
> orchestrate getting the floats built to your specs as he indicated he
would
> do that for me when I considered putting them on my Model IV (I didn't
like
> that fact that they had no storage areas and not enough bulkheads). I've
> flown the Czech floats on a Rans S-7 and a Zenair 701. No question, they
> are probably the quickest off the water of any float (especially an
amphib)
> available. I'm pretty sure they are also the lightest of the choices you
> may have. Downside? Not as strong as I'd like them. But in the world of
> amphibious airplanes, everything is a trade-off/compromise. So they would
> still probably be my choice if I were in your situation. But it would be
> worthwhile for you to talk to Paul Liedl at liedlp@infionline.net for the
> scoop on his Murphys. However, I would forewarn you that if you have a
912
> powered aircraft, bear in mind you may have very different performance
> (generally better because much lighter) than Paul may tell you. Weight is
> more critical on an amphib than any other aircraft type. I know, I've
been
> flying amphibs now for more than 10 years.
>
> If you'd like to see any photos of the different float installs, let me
know
> as I have a bunch of different pictures of Kitfoxes on amphibs. (Some are
> already posted on Sportflight.com.)
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
> 912ul Model IV-1200 aerocet amphib (almost done)
> Currently flying a Lake amphibian
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Shiple" <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: floats-S-6, amphib
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple
<fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > I'd like to start a dialogue on S-6 amphib floats. I seem to recall
seeing
> a discussion on S-4's on floats but not the 5's, 6's, and 7's. N60FS get's
> inspected on Monday, so its time to get serious and make a choice. The
Czech
> Work's float is well made, but also quite expensive. Murphy's kit looked
to
> be well designed and looks to be lighter. It's difficult to get installed
> weights from the manufacturers They seem willing to supply a
weight/float,
> but not the exchange weight the builder will see when the floats are on
the
> plane. Would like to hear your experiences with specific float
manufactures
> as you worked thru your installation.
> > Also, someone offered to answer questions by phone over the past year. I
> lost some files and no longer have the e-mail address. Would appreciate
> hearing from you if you'd be willing to answer a lot of questions over
the
> phone about your experience.
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
I think this message was lost during the technical problems lately, so here
it is again....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight
> Congratulations Jack!!
>
> I once fixed an Avid with right rudder issues by putting more spring
tension
> on that pedal so I could avoid making a trim tab. Worked very well. I
> believe if you tinker long enough with the flaperon rigging you might be
> able to also rerig you aileron to avoid a trim tab too, but that may be a
> little trickier. Just a suggestion.
>
> Are you running the 80 or the 100 hp 912? Any performance figures the
rest
> of the group might be interested in? (I'm always curious to hear info
like
> that on others airplanes)
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
> 912ul Model IV-1200 amphib (will fly this spring...)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Seaford" <jseaford@bellsouth.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:30 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jack Seaford"
<jseaford@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I flew my 4-1200 today for the first flight.
> > Wow, Wow, Wow, I was very excited with the performance, that little
912
> awwwwwwwed me.
> > I love the plane but have a few minor problems.
> > To keep the ball centered in straight and level flight, you must hold a
> little right rudder, also you must hold a little right aileron.
> > Do I need to make a rudder trim for the rudder and if so what size and
> where to place on rudder?
> > To fix the aileron problem should I lower forward right wing a couple of
> turns?
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> > Jack Seaford
> > N170NH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Must not be MY SERVER???? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wwillyard@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Double post
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
>
> I received 5 copies of the post.
>
> William W.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spar wall thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Jim,, I'm sure glad to hear about the wall thickness of the spars. When I
ask the question before your comment was .065 wall thickness. I was
upgrading my IV-1050 and could not get .065 to slip over the 7/8 tubing on
each end so I used .058. We took equal lengths of the .058 and weighted
them against a 99 model IV and the ..058 was slightly heavier, so we used
it. Thanks ,, Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: spar wall thickness
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Maybe I should clarify.....
>
> Model III's, Model IV's and early Series 5 aircraft used the .058 wall
> spars. I think some of the early III's may have been .049
>
> Originally the Series 5 aircraft was a 1400# gross weight aircraft. When
SS
> increased the gross on the Series 5 aircraft, approx June of 95, they went
> to the .065 wall spar thickness. Therefore all Series 6 and 7 aircraft
> would have .065 wall spars.
>
> Today all the wing spars are .065.. including the Classic IV. Before you
> ask... NO, one cannot increase the gross of the Classic IV with the
larger
> spars. There are significant other fuselage changes that were done to the
> early 5 from the IV that aided in the increase not to mention the dia of
the
> lift struts.
>
> Hope this helps.. and makes sense.
>
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Dcecil3@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: spar wall thickness
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> Model 3 is 2 1/2" .058 wall per Dave at SkyStar
> D. Cecil
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Eric,
I had the same problem. I took it to a welding shop and had them add about 4
gussets. That did the trick. Jeff Puls Classic IV 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on
my
> Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
> This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded twice
in
> the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the
face
> flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
> I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe
enters
> the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust
enters
> the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is
too
> much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope with
these
> extremes!
> Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was
the
> remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to 3
> hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler
unit
> available.
> Any comments will help.
> Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
> See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
>
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
Hello:
I have a Kitfox CIV with a 912 also. I have had the same problem. I have
had mine welded four times. The last two times I welded it myself since I
started my welding shop. I added four webs, or gussets to the tailpipe.
This seems to be the key to stopping the cracking. Evidently, the engine
vibration is too much for such a long arm (tailpipe).
Kirk Martenson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Eric,
> I had the same problem. I took it to a welding shop and had them add about
4
> gussets. That did the trick. Jeff Puls Classic IV 912UL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
> >
> > After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on
> my
> > Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
> > This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded
twice
> in
> > the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the
> face
> > flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
> > I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe
> enters
> > the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust
> enters
> > the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is
> too
> > much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope
with
> these
> > extremes!
> > Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was
> the
> > remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to
3
> > hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler
> unit
> > available.
> > Any comments will help.
> > Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
> > See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
> >
> > e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Hey, if you guys are having the mufflers TIG welded hopefully they're back
purging them while welding. Otherwise, the backsides are crystallizing and
are brittle and a lot more prone to cracking.
A gusset is good but running supports from the tailpipe all the way out to
the edge of the muffler seems to work even better to reduce the tailpipe
shaking and breaking the muffler endcap.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk's
Welding
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
Hello:
I have a Kitfox CIV with a 912 also. I have had the same problem. I have
had mine welded four times. The last two times I welded it myself since I
started my welding shop. I added four webs, or gussets to the tailpipe.
This seems to be the key to stopping the cracking. Evidently, the engine
vibration is too much for such a long arm (tailpipe).
Kirk Martenson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Eric,
> I had the same problem. I took it to a welding shop and had them add about
4
> gussets. That did the trick. Jeff Puls Classic IV 912UL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
> >
> > After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on
> my
> > Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
> > This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded
twice
> in
> > the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the
> face
> > flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
> > I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe
> enters
> > the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust
> enters
> > the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is
> too
> > much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope
with
> these
> > extremes!
> > Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was
> the
> > remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to
3
> > hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler
> unit
> > available.
> > Any comments will help.
> > Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
> > See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
> >
> > e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Do you have the muffler clamp installed ?
http://www.skystar.com/Service%20Bulletins/sb54.htm See figure 1 pic.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on my
Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded twice in
the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the
face
flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe enters
the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust
enters
the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is too
much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope with
these
extremes!
Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was the
remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to 3
hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler unit
available.
Any comments will help.
Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John" <kitfoxjh@floodcity.net>
Has anyone had experience with putting floats on a Vixen or Series-5. I
don't see any attach points other than the strut attach mount. Would
they fasten onto where the nose gear mounts? Thanks, John H......
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| Subject: | Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
The weather has finally cooperated and I managed to take my Bushbaby on her
maiden flight today. I'm pleased to say it went off without a hitch and she
flies beautifully. It's certainly a dream come true. I've added some pics
of the event to my web site.
Many thanks to everybody on the list. Firstly for the suggestions and help,
and secondly for simply being a source of inspiration during what at times
seemed like an endless project.
Thanks again.
Dave Grosvenor
Bushbaby ZU-CJD
Durban, South Africa
http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/dwg/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Eric,
Do you have the Classic IV or is it the Model IV of the early 90's vintage.
Some of the mufflers provided then were having a crack develop on the
muffler at the tail pipe weld. As I understand these were the ones where
the tailpipe exited the cowling within the cooling air exit area. My
muffler was a Vixen muffler sent by mistake and it's angle is more vertical
than the standard IV design. I have had no problem with mine - 570 hours.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on
my
> Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
> This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded twice
in
> the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the
face
> flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
> I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe
enters
> the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust
enters
> the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is
too
> much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope with
these
> extremes!
> Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was
the
> remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to 3
> hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler
unit
> available.
> Any comments will help.
> Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
> See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
>
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Congratulations on your first flight Dave! Also, it appears you've done a
fine job on building and with that 912S it should be a rocket. When you
get things sorted out, let us know how your performance numbers average
out.
Darrel
(nice web site too!)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor"
<dwg@iafrica.com>
>
> The weather has finally cooperated and I managed to take my Bushbaby on
her
> maiden flight today. I'm pleased to say it went off without a hitch and
she
> flies beautifully. It's certainly a dream come true. I've added some
pics
> of the event to my web site.
>
> Many thanks to everybody on the list. Firstly for the suggestions and
help,
> and secondly for simply being a source of inspiration during what at
times
> seemed like an endless project.
> Thanks again.
>
> Dave Grosvenor
> Bushbaby ZU-CJD
> Durban, South Africa
> http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/dwg/index.htm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
I also receive double post on the Kitfox list. I also belong to other
lists from matronics.com and do not receive double posts from them.
Steve Gandy
s.gandy@comcast.net
Aeronca L-3C N48540
Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Double post
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
Is everybody getting double post or Am I signed up TWICE. BOB U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: spar wall thickness
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> Jim,, I'm sure glad to hear about the wall thickness of the spars.
When
I
> ask the question before your comment was .065 wall thickness. I was
> upgrading my IV-1050 and could not get .065 to slip over the 7/8
tubing on
> each end so I used .058. We took equal lengths of the .058 and
weighted
> them against a 99 model IV and the ..058 was slightly heavier, so we
used
> it. Thanks ,, Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: spar wall thickness
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> > Maybe I should clarify.....
> >
> > Model III's, Model IV's and early Series 5 aircraft used the .058
wall
> > spars. I think some of the early III's may have been .049
> >
> > Originally the Series 5 aircraft was a 1400# gross weight aircraft.
When
> SS
> > increased the gross on the Series 5 aircraft, approx June of 95,
they
went
> > to the .065 wall spar thickness. Therefore all Series 6 and 7
aircraft
> > would have .065 wall spars.
> >
> > Today all the wing spars are .065.. including the Classic IV.
Before
you
> > ask... NO, one cannot increase the gross of the Classic IV with the
> larger
> > spars. There are significant other fuselage changes that were done
to
the
> > early 5 from the IV that aided in the increase not to mention the
dia of
> the
> > lift struts.
> >
> > Hope this helps.. and makes sense.
> >
> >
> > Blue Skies!!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Dcecil3@aol.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: spar wall thickness
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
> >
> > Model 3 is 2 1/2" .058 wall per Dave at SkyStar
> > D. Cecil
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Removing PTT button from Model 2 stick? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I have a Model 2 Kitfox, with (I believe) an original equipment push-to-talk
radio button on the pilot's side switch. I need to replace it, but I can't
figure out how to get the old one off. It sits in the top of the foam grip
on the upper end of the aluminum-tube stick, and that foam grip seems to be
glued to the stick. At least it sure doesn't want to slide, twist, or
anything else. I can't find anything to unscrew, cut, or pop out.
If I have to destroy the foam grip, I can replace it, tho it would be nice
if I didn't have to do that. Anyone know how to get the button off the
stick?
If it proves completely impossible, I might swap the pilot's side and
passenger-side sticks, since the passenger side currently has a grip but no
button. They look identical, even including the foam grips, except the
passenger side currently has no button. Then just install the new button,
somehow, on that. Then the passenger would have a button he could play with
(currently on the pilot's side) that won't be hooked up to anything when I
swap sticks.
The original problem was, the radio and PTT switch would work fine on the
ground, or even in the air when gliding with the engine throttled back. But
with the engine revved at cruise or takeoff power, or even during runups, I
could key the button to transmit, but when I released it, it kept
transmitting. I suspected electrical noise in the PTT line. This is with a
Yaesu VXA-210 radio. I had the same problem in this plane with a Yaesu
VXA-120, and also with a JRC.
I put electronic resistive pullups on the radio wire, didn't work. Ran a
coax cable in place of the twisted pair previousluy used, no change. Put a
low-pass filter on it, didn't work. Finally when flying with the filter on
the line, I keyed the mike, got the usual stuck-mike, then grabbed the
button itself between my fingers and pulled up hard. Click, the radio
stopped transmiting and all was well. Did it several times more, worked
every time. Except now I'm getting blisters on my fingers.
So, time for a new button. I'll use a Radio Shack special, identical to the
one I used in a Minimax with a Yaesu VXA-120 that never gave me any problem.
But first I gotta get that old one off.
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
San Diego, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dave & Wendy Grosvenor wrote:
> The weather has finally cooperated and I managed to take my Bushbaby on her
> maiden flight today.
Congratulation, Dave. Nice plane, nice smile! :-) Please could you send some
sunny ZA weather over here? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:07:46 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Eric,
I uploaded a picture of the reinforcement that has worked for me to Sportflight.com.
http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/KitFox_Muffler.jpg
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Ceashman@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on my
Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded twice in
the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the face
flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe enters
the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust enters
the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is too
much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope with these
extremes!
Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was the
remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to 3
hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler unit
available.
Any comments will help.
Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Roger I was under the impression the EJ22 was to heavy for the model 5, even
outside the CG with sweep wings.
Rick
(Roger Augenstein KY Series 5 EJ22)
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hi, Lowell.
This is a Classic IV. I received the kit December of 1996.
I remember, I had to cut a round opening in the lower cowling for the tail
pipe to exit.
The crack (split) is happening in the disc like end to the muffler, it is not
happening at the weld of the tail pipe to the disc.
To me, it looks like the thin gauge disc is "tin canning" and there is no
internal support to the tail pipe.
Tomorrow I will contact Skystar and find out what they are doing about this
defect.
Cheers, Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
To John McBean.
You ask if I have a "muffler clamp" installed!
Please tell me what that is.
Of course everything is installed per manual the four exhaust pipes have the
clamps to hold to the heads. The muffler is attached to the pipes with a nice
tight fit and spring held in place. So I'm trying to figure out what the
muffler clamp is.
Greetings. Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Kirk.
I want to thank you and lots of people, including Ted and Jeffrey on your
responses.
As explained, I have had the thing welded twice, I am sure it was TIG, it was
stainless welding.
The question is, can I use normal gas welding to fix this myself? Heaven
knows, TIG has not worked so far!!
If you say that I can, I will definitely add a couple of gussets. It looks
like that the support is missing.
Thanks a bunch. Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: EJ22 in Sries 5 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" <raugenstein@fuse.net>
Rick,
Haven't had any problems so far with 15 hrs. My freind has the same set up
with 200+ hrs and is doing well. Has plenty of getup and go for sure. My
empty weight is 963. Full tanks and 2nd passenger with baggage is out of
the question for CG and gross wt. Thanks for the concern.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: EJ22 in Sries 5
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Roger I was under the impression the EJ22 was to heavy for the model 5,
even
> outside the CG with sweep wings.
> Rick
>
>
> (Roger Augenstein KY Series 5 EJ22)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
To Roger Standley.
That was perfect! A picture says it perfectly. I will fabricate a couple of
gussets and follow your idea on weldments.
But I'm still going to talk to Skystar.
Regards, Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
http://www.skystar.com/Service%20Bulletins/sb54.htm See figure 2 pic.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
To John McBean.
You ask if I have a "muffler clamp" installed!
Please tell me what that is.
Of course everything is installed per manual the four exhaust pipes have the
clamps to hold to the heads. The muffler is attached to the pipes with a
nice
tight fit and spring held in place. So I'm trying to figure out what the
muffler clamp is.
Greetings. Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
HI,
Do you have, or could you take a picture and have it available on internet? I Have
almost 950 hours on Model IV and 2 different engines, last one is 912ULS.
No problems but interested. Clint
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| Subject: | FW: Vixen Floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John" <kitfoxjh@floodcity.net>
From: "John" <kitfoxjh@floodcity.net>
Subject: Vixen Floats
Has anyone had experience with putting floats on a Vixen or Series-5. I
don't see any attach points other than the strut attach mount. Would
they fasten onto where the nose gear mounts? Thanks, John H......
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Has anyone had experience with putting floats on a Vixen or Series-5. I don't see
any attach points other than the strut attach mount. Would they fasten onto
where the nose gear mounts? Thanks, John H......
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Thanks Darrel
It was really bumpy up there yesterday with lots of thermals. As soon as I
get a smooth ride and have done some testing I'll certainly post the info.
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another first flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Congratulations on your first flight Dave! Also, it appears you've done a
fine job on building and with that 912S it should be a rocket. When you
get things sorted out, let us know how your performance numbers average
out.
Darrel
(nice web site too!)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor"
<dwg@iafrica.com>
>
> The weather has finally cooperated and I managed to take my Bushbaby on
her
> maiden flight today. I'm pleased to say it went off without a hitch and
she
> flies beautifully. It's certainly a dream come true. I've added some
pics
> of the event to my web site.
>
> Many thanks to everybody on the list. Firstly for the suggestions and
help,
> and secondly for simply being a source of inspiration during what at
times
> seemed like an endless project.
> Thanks again.
>
> Dave Grosvenor
> Bushbaby ZU-CJD
> Durban, South Africa
> http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/dwg/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Michael
The last couple of days have been big blue days with lots of sunshine. I
think it will need to go in a big box. If you want me to send the sunny
weather by airmail, please deposit 10,000 Euro into my bank account ! (No,
I'm not from Nigeria.)
Cheers
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another first flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dave & Wendy Grosvenor wrote:
> The weather has finally cooperated and I managed to take my Bushbaby on
her
> maiden flight today.
Congratulation, Dave. Nice plane, nice smile! :-) Please could you send some
sunny ZA weather over here? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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