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1. 12:10 AM - Re: Another first flight (Torgeir Mortensen)
2. 03:02 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL .To John McBean (Ceashman@aol.com)
3. 03:49 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (Logan, Michael CIV)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Split muffler on 912 UL (flier)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: High Pucker Factor activated - Missile hit--DHL in Baghdad (Kitfox)
6. 08:26 AM - Re: Another first flight (Fred Shiple)
7. 11:31 AM - Anybody......... (sid)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: Santa's "Magic Dust" (Scott McClintock)
9. 12:19 PM - Re: Anybody......... (JMCBEAN)
10. 01:06 PM - Anybody......... (sid)
11. 01:21 PM - What Happened To My Bahamas Trip (John E. King)
12. 01:40 PM - OT: Not so sure (Michel Verheughe)
13. 01:52 PM - Phone number Blue Sky (Jack Seaford)
14. 02:15 PM - Re: Phone number Blue Sky (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12
Hi Dave,
Congratulation with the maiden flight -in a good looking aeroplane.
Checked out your web site, and must say, very impressing.
Liked the passenger notice very much, may I copy the texture for my
plane?? :) .
For the rest of you, check out this one and see what I mean:
http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/dwg/fuselage/images/Panel011.jpg
Regards
Torgeir.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:02:17 +0200, Dave & Wendy Grosvenor
<dwg@iafrica.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor"
<dwg@iafrica.com>
The weather has finally cooperated and I managed to take my Bushbaby on her
maiden flight today. I'm pleased to say it went off without a hitch and
she
flies beautifully. It's certainly a dream come true. I've added some pics
of the event to my web site.
Many thanks to everybody on the list. Firstly for the suggestions and
help,
and secondly for simply being a source of inspiration during what at times
seemed like an endless project.
Thanks again.
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL .To John McBean |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
To John McBean.
Thanks for sending the info of the SS service bulletin. It does look like
gussets are the thing!
Mine is a regular 912 UL and not the "S" So maybe Skystar will not have the
same policy for my situation.
Thanks again. Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Split muffler on 912 UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Logan, Michael CIV" <Michael.Logan@dtra.mil>
We had the gussets on my wife's pulsar and it still cracked. We talked to
the Rotax Guru, Eric, and he said we might be running the engine at too low
of an rpm. We now run the engine at 5200 or above and have not had any more
cracks.
Mike Logan
Kitfox 5
NSI SHO
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceashman@aol.com [mailto:Ceashman@aol.com]
Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
After just 29 total hours on the system. The Skystar supplied exhaust on my
Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
This week, the darned muffler has split again. I have had it welded twice in
the past and now I notice a new split. The splitting is happening on the
face
flange (for want of a better description) that holds the tail pipe.
I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is that the tail pipe enters
the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches. The left rear exhaust
enters
the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail pipe and maybe there is too
much heat travel to the "face flange" and this flange just can't cope with
these
extremes!
Is there anyone who has had the same problem with the muffler? What was the
remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded again and break after 2 to 3
hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they have a better muffler unit
available.
Any comments will help.
Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list (Classic IV/Ashman)
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Split muffler on 912 UL |
Roger,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Good looking reinforcement. That's pretty much what
I used and have had no problems.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley"
<taildragon@msn.com>
>
>Eric,
>
>I uploaded a picture of the reinforcement that has
worked for me to Sportflight.com.
>http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/KitFox_Muffler.jpg
>
>Roger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ceashman@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:04 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Split muffler on 912 UL
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> After just 29 total hours on the system. The
Skystar supplied exhaust on my
> Classic IV, with a 912 UL is giving me a headache!
> This week, the darned muffler has split again. I
have had it welded twice in
> the past and now I notice a new split. The
splitting is happening on the face
> flange (for want of a better description) that
holds the tail pipe.
> I can't understand why, the only thing I notice is
that the tail pipe enters
> the silencer and goes in for a couple of inches.
The left rear exhaust enters
> the silencer, right on top of the inserted tail
pipe and maybe there is too
> much heat travel to the "face flange" and this
flange just can't cope with these
> extremes!
> Is there anyone who has had the same problem with
the muffler? What was the
> remedy? I feel it pointless to have it welded
again and break after 2 to 3
> hours. I am going to call Skystar and see if they
have a better muffler unit
> available.
> Any comments will help.
> Greetings. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta area.
> See my picture on EAA centennial homebuilt list
(Classic IV/Ashman)
>
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High Pucker Factor activated - Missile hit--DHL in Baghdad |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
Paul,
Just had a look at the pictures, getting that down in one piece was lucky,
especially without a fire.
Chris UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: High Pucker Factor activated - Missile hit--DHL in
Baghdad
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul A. Franz, P.E."
<paul@eucleides.com>
>
> High pucker factor activated on this departure.
>
> A Boeing friend sent me this. I've posted the photos as a .zip file
> (632 KB) on one of my servers as:
>
> <http://eucleides.com/RHGear.ZIP>
>
> I believe this article and the photos will be of general interest to
> the group. I am sorry to say, I have no information to give credit to
> the author or photographer.
>
> > Subject: Testimony to an A300B4
> >
> > Interesting. Life is not really back to normal in Iraq.
> > Air Medal Candidates
> >
> >
> > To those of you who are wondering what happened to the DHL A300B4 coming
> > out of Baghdad last Saturday, take a look. Aircraft was hit at 8000 FT,
> > lost ALL hydraulics and therefore had no flight controls, actually did a
> > missed approach using only engine thrust and eventually (after about
> > 16mins) landed heavily on runway 33L at Baghdad. This was fortunate
> > because with no steering the aircraft veered of the runway to the left,
> > had they landed on 33R veering to the left would have taken them
> > straight into the fire station. The aircraft then travelled about 600
> > metres through soft sand taking out a razor wire fence in the process,
> > see LH engine pic, and came to rest almost at the bottom of the sloping
> > area between the runway and a taxiway. All three crew evacuated safely
> > down the second slide, the first one tore on the razor wire. I flew in
> > with a team on Tuesday in one of our Metros and some special equipment
> > we'd had made locally in Bahrain and some provided by Airbus. Using a
> > USAF D9 Caterpillar pulling a 100 metre cable fitted to the back end of
> > each bogie and a nice new aircraft pushback tug with a towbar on the
> > nose gear, we were able to remove the aircraft just on dusk on Tuesday
> > night and towed it to an Iraqi Airways graveyard on one side of the
> > terminal.
> >
> > We stayed overnight in the USAF camp on the airport and went back to the
> > aircraft on Wednesday morning to allow the insurance survey to be
> > completed and then secure the aircraft. Basically, LH engine rotates in
> > a fashion, has ingested lots of razor wire and is knackered. RH engine
> > has seized, probably from ingesting loads of sand at maximum reverse
> > thrust and inlet cowl has unacceptable lip damage, probably from hitting
> > the razor wire fence posts. The No 8 axle appears to be cracked as the
> > wheel sits at an odd angle. The bulk of the damage is the LH wing. About
> > 3 metres of rear spar is missing in front of the outboard flap, the wing
> > has bulged upwards and downwards where the initial explosion appears to
> > have occurred, one O/B flap track is hanging in the breeze and one has a
> > small piece of flap still attached, the rest of the flap is nonexistent.
> >
> >
> > The pics show the huge crack that has occurred to the rear spar inboard
> > of where the spar has burnt away, possibly from loads on the wing during
> > the landing process. The front spar appears to be intact. The point of
> > entry pics show where a projectile entered Tank 1A, which was full of
> > fuel, and, after it ignited, proceeded to burn away at the spar. The
> > fuel tank ribs in the area directly in front of the O/B flap are burnt
> > almost 50% through. The crew obviously did a fantastic job in getting
> > the aircraft back on to the ground and one can only assume that it was
> > most fortunate that they were not aware of the state of the wing as they
> > could not see it from the cockpit. It also says a lot for the structure
> > of the aircraft that it withstood the impact of the (whatever is finally
> > determined to have hit it). I'm sure there will be lots of other photos
> > and videos flying around the net, but at least these ones are genuine.
> >
> > The worst part for us was the airport was shut down on Wednesday and we
> > had to be driven in an armour-plated Landcruiser Troop Carrier from
> > Baghdad to Balad, 60 miles to the north, from where we flew back to
> > Bahrain in our Metro again. I trust you will all appreciate just how
> > lucky these guys were.(See attached file: RHGear.ZIP)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Dave and Wendy, Congratulations. You have a great looking airplane. Enjoyed your
Web. also.
Fred
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| Subject: | Anybody......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
have the url for the EAA aircraft completions page that listed the airplanes
qualifying for the centenial plaque......
Thanks,
Sid
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| Subject: | Re: Santa's "Magic Dust" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Yeah, but come on!
"a little more and a little more and a little more". It reminded me of an old
Cheech & Chong record.
It was pretty funny anyway.
Scott
P.S. Nome is "digging out" after a record snowfall last night. I was "stuck"
this AM and it took me three hours to dig out my 4X4 Chevy PU from the front of
the house. Winds last night were 40 gusting to 60 mph. Can you say "snow
drifts?"
JMCBEAN wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Now we know where your mind is at Scott..... I simply said Magic Dust......
> Don't you believe in magic ??? :)
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott McClintock
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Santa's "Magic Dust"
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> John,
>
> I don't know which one of you is the worse.
>
> Michel has killed Santa due to thermodynamics, and now you have Santa on
> drugs?
> Shame on you guys.
> -Scott-
>
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| Subject: | Anybody......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Sid,
Try this http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/centennial.asp
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of sid
Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody.........
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
have the url for the EAA aircraft completions page that listed the airplanes
qualifying for the centenial plaque......
Thanks,
Sid
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| Subject: | Anybody......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
That was it, couldn't find it on the website......Thank you,
Sid
Alpena, Mi
overcast, some fog, warming and snow melting some
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Sid,
> Try this http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/centennial.asp
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of sid
> To: Kitfox Forum
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody.........
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "sid" <sid@i2k.com>
>
> have the url for the EAA aircraft completions page that listed the
airplanes
> qualifying for the centenial plaque......
> Thanks,
> Sid
>
>
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| Subject: | What Happened To My Bahamas Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
To the List,
Herbert Golette and I were the only pilots of the group who signed up
for the Bahamas trip last November to actually commit. All the others
backed out as the departure time was approached. However, two aircraft
were all that was necessary for our over the water flight in the
Bahamas. As most of you know by now we had unforseen problems after we
departed Warrenton, Virginia that kept us from completing our trip as
planned. Herb has written a very nice report in his EAA Chapter 790
Newsletter that describes in detail the problems he encountered on our
flight south. I have scanned the document and presented it below.
Although we were disappointed in not being able to fly the Bahamas, my
Daughter Diane and I took the time to fly to Key West, Florida. While
at Key West we ran into Marc Hightower who has a Kitfox hangared at the
Key West Airport. He was a big help in recommending where to stay and
the best places to eat. The thought of flying the Bahamas is still high
in my list of things to do and the first opportunity that arises, I'm
out of here.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
WHAT HAPPENED TO MY BAHAMAS TRIP
By: Herbert Gottelt
I was planning to go island hopping in the Bahamas with seven other
Kitfoxes this November. Eight weeks prior to our departure two of the
eight pilots canceled. I was to join three others in Warrenton, VA. The
rest wanted to meet us in Fort Pierce, FL., our starting point, and a
good place to get outfitted for over-water flights.
I left Harvard, IL early on 30 Oct. for Warrenton, VA with a fuel stop
an Marion, OH. John King, the organizer for this, trip met me upon
landing at W66. "Where are the others," I asked? There were no others.
It was just John and myself. Everybody else had different excuses. We
agreed that a flight of two planes were the minimum for over-water
flights in case of an emergency. After refueling, my Fox would not
start. I did not think much of it. We pushed it into a hangar.
John and his wife graciously took care of me overnight in their big home
20 minutes away. The next morning my engine started right up and we were
a flight of two bound for Fort Pierce, FL. John flew a Series 6 Kitfox
with higher payload and a 100 hp Rotax engine. He took his Daughter
Diane along for the trip. Every time John strayed off course he claimed
that Diane was flying the plane!
We stopped for fuel in Manning, SC. Again, my engine would not start, no
matter what I did. This time I got concerned. I had fuel to the
carburetors, checked the jets, primer, choke. I could not see a spark,
blaming it on the strong sunlight. I put some fuel into the front
cylinders, not a pop. I called Lockwood, the Rotax repair center in
Florida, repeatedly. They suggested my battery was low and would not
produce the minimum cranking speed of 300 rpm. I had 400, thank you, Die
Hard. They insisted that it couldn't be the ignition, because I have two
completely independent ignition systems, each firing one of the two
plugs in each cylinder, and they do not quit at the same time. I hired
a local A&P mechanic for three hours at $70 per hour. He was no help
either. What to do? Out of desperation I proceeded to change one of
two electronic ignition modules, even when I knew there was nothing
wrong with either. (I had a spare)
The FBO closed at 5:30 this Friday and remained closed all weekend, and
if we wanted a ride to a motel, we better quit now. So, John and myself
tied down the Foxes and I closed everything as best as I could. It was
decision time. If she would not start in the morning, I could either
get Lockwood to come up from Florida to fix it, or trailer it home, once
I got my trailer. Lockwood was swamped with work and could not help for
at least two weeks.
If she did start in the morning, I could fly it to Lockwood and leave it
for them to fix and come back later to retrieve it or I could fly it
toward home and minimize trailer time. It was clear to me that I could
not take the chance of getting stuck on some remote island. John and
Diane would not continue over open water by themselves and they decided
to visit the Florida Keys instead.
Returning to the airport the next morning, I finished installing the
spare ignition module. By mistake I had disconnected both electric wires
from both ignition modules that fire the four double ignition coils.
Therefore I had to re-connect them. This seemingly unrelated action
cured my starting problems. I did not realize it at that time. With
everything buttoned up and our good-by's said, I cranked the engine and
she started right away. John with Diane flew south and I headed
Northwest for Lexington KY; landing after 4.4 hours and one hour of fuel
remaining. After refueling, the engine started right up again, this time
only to my tie-down spot. There was not enough daylight left to make it
home the same day. The weather in Chicago was nasty anyway.
The breaking and reconnecting of the wire connectors caused a sort of
cleaning action and lowered the resistance to the ignition modules to
the point where 400 rpm was ample for starting. I had used silicon
grease to lubricate the terminals four years ago when I should have used
dielectric silicon grease instead. Why hot versus cold? Do not cold
temperatures promote conductivity?
That is why my Bahamas dream will remain one.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dave & Wendy Grosvenor wrote:
> If you want me to send the sunny
> weather by airmail, please deposit 10,000 Euro into my bank account ! (No,
> I'm not from Nigeria.)
I am not so sure, your name sounds familiar. You're not a princess or the widow
of a general, by any chance? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Phone number Blue Sky |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jack Seaford" <jseaford@bellsouth.net>
I still can't get in touch with Blue Sky Aviation
I need a working phone number
Thanks
Jack Seaford
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| Subject: | Phone number Blue Sky |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Jack
send me your phone number and I will call you.
Noel
Sincerely,
Noel Simmons
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574
noel@blueskyaviation.net <mailto:noel@blueskyaviation.net>
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack Seaford
Subject: Kitfox-List: Phone number Blue Sky
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jack Seaford" <jseaford@bellsouth.net>
I still can't get in touch with Blue Sky Aviation
I need a working phone number
Thanks
Jack Seaford
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