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1. 03:03 AM - Re: Newbie (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: Newbie (Michel Verheughe)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Newbie (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
4. 07:34 AM - A few hours on the tacho. (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
5. 07:59 AM - Re: A Maule tailwheel question (Wwillyard@aol.com)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: A few hours on the tacho. (John E. King)
7. 11:10 AM - Kitfox model differences (Ken Cruickshanks)
8. 12:05 PM - Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane (Steve Gandy)
9. 12:30 PM - Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane (Vic Jacko)
10. 12:59 PM - Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane (Lowell Fitt)
11. 01:12 PM - Chevron gasoline (Roger Standley)
12. 01:56 PM - Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane (Clifford Begnaud)
13. 02:31 PM - Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane (Steve Gandy)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: A Maule tailwheel question (Michel Verheughe)
15. 04:31 PM - O-200 in kitfox Classic 1200? (David & Maria Lumgair)
16. 04:39 PM - Re: A Maule tailwheel question (Wwillyard@aol.com)
17. 06:18 PM - Re: O-200 in kitfox Classic 1200? (Dee Young)
18. 06:51 PM - Re: Newbie (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
19. 08:27 PM - Need help with heater questions (Paul Seehafer)
20. 08:31 PM - Air filters (Paul Seehafer)
21. 09:16 PM - Re: A Maule tailwheel question (jimshumaker)
22. 09:38 PM - Re: Air filters (jimshumaker)
23. 11:14 PM - Re: Newbie (Matt Keyes)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
there. Has anyone out there actually finished a kit in the suggested time
that the manufacture suggests? Any bad experience with Skystar? (mine has
Ken,
I built a Classic IV with a suggested build time of 600 hours (I think).
Heck, I spent 600 hours ironing the tapes. Not really but did put almost
2000 hours in the plane. To be honest, I fabricated a lot of my own parts due
to
money constraints. I built my own door bottoms, turtledeck and several other
parts from fiberglass plus cut open my fuel tanks to fix a known Kitfox
problem. The items I built plus some added special features took a lot of hours.
If you are good, fast, and stick to the instructions (without personal mods)
you might come close to 600 hours (say 800-1000). Getting too creative will
also add weight to the airplane.
To save money, purchase a used kit (say, 50% complete) or, flying. One
thing about a Kitfox, you will have more in it than you can sell it for (as
someone else mentioned) If you purchase a used Kit, you need to make absolutely
certain all the parts are there. If possible, find a Kitfox builder to help
you with the inventory.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> To save money, purchase a used kit (say, 50% complete) or, flying.
When I read this, I understand how lucky I have been, to find a beautiful
Kitfox 3, well built, and for a reasonable price (NOK 160,000 or about US$
22,800). True enough, it is a taildragger and a two stroke engine (both not
being so popular in Norway) but it was built by a great airman, under the
Norwegian Experimental rule, i.e. under constant inspection. My only regret is
that, when complimented on the fine looking aircraft I have (and it happens all
the time) I can't say: Yes, and I built her myself!
Apart from a conflict about what needed to be done after 150 hours on the
engine, flying my Tango (her name is LN-YLT but, Tango in short) has been
nothing but pleasure. The plane was built by a fine craftsman, as intended by
Denney's instructions. Nothing "fancy" was added. As for the taildragger, being
a novice to aviation, I felt not at ease doing my firsts landings with my
instructor. But today, after only 60 hours in my Tango, I can't imagine how
anyone can fly a plane with the third wheel "the wrong side." Today, I land (in
nice weather!) on three wheels, on two, or even on one. I do my T&G with the
tail up or down. I even surprise myself to involuntary stay high on final to
enjoy a nice side slip. ... Gosh, writing about that makes me feel horny for
flying! Last time I flew was ... er, only yesterday but ... I am in need! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
>> Builders/Flyers , Please talk me out of this Your comments are
appreciated.
>>Ken Cruickshanks
>>Eagle River, Alaska
>>kenc5@gci.net
Ken, having recently completed by Bushbaby (similar to a KF IV) 6 1/2 years
after purchasing the kit, I would be hard pressed to find any reasons to
talk you out of this.
The feeling you get when you first get airborne in an aircraft you built
yourself is undescribable. And that's not to mention seeing a crowd gather
around your plane each time you take it out the hangar, all giving
compliments, and you know that you built it.
I started out flying Cessnas and other tin aeroplanes and 'crossed over from
the certified world' for the added freedom it gives you. Oten people who fly
Cessnas etc say they fly real airplanes...well, I'll tell you something for
nothing, the planes we fly are real airplanes.
If you think you will enjoy the building process, do it. But as others have
said, follow the instructions. Small modifications cost far more time than
you would ever expect and also tend to add weight. And try to do at least
some work on it every day. If nothing else, it helps keep the momentum
going.
Below I have added an earlier post from Kurt that I think sums up the
building process.
Cheers
Dave Grosvenor
Bushbaby ZU-CJD
Durban, South Africa
http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/dwg/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox@sportflight.com
Subject: RE: Close to the end
Feel? Well Michel,
It started as a pleasant walk toward a distant dream. Occasionally I stopped
to admire my work, which I enjoyed for its own purpose. The way was hilly,
hot, cold, and darker than I would like to admit. Consistantly, the hardest
thing to do was that which I am trying to get a handle on now. The easiest
was that which I just finished.
Often I had to stop do to outside influences like my mother dying, my house
flooding, etc. These last 2 years I began to walk faster, then run, afraid
my father would also pass on before I got it done for him to see. But I
learned that when I run, I often trip. It is better to walk fast, or you
will have to repeat steps, which takes longer.
Today I see the finish line. It is ever receeding,but I am gaining. I
learned today that my proposed inspector's wife died last friday. He took
her home to Virginia, just in time for the hurricane. I will not rush his
return.
Michel, it feels like a test which I volunteered for. One I will, at long
last, pass. One I learned much from even before the first flight. One that
will carry me to high mountains on invisible currents.
And one which I was greatly helped along by this list of knowledgable
friends. I have saved hundreds of pages of e-mails full of ideas I would
hardly have thought of on my own, nor can I add them all to only one plane.
I am richer and safer because of you all.
That is my answer and I am sticking with it.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | A few hours on the tacho. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
I have managed to do about 5 hours on my Bushbaby so far and had some
smoother air to fly in. I'm still happy with the way she flies, and have
done a couple of stalls which are really a non-event. Indicating just under
35mph the nose simply drops gently down with no tendancy for a wing drop.
Take-off is really an eye opener. The tail is up almost as the throttle
hits the full throttle position and in a couple of seconds she is off the
ground. Climb rate solo with 1/2 tanks is 1100fpm. Level with 5000 rpm at
4000 ft I get 105mph indicated. I have the 912S and the long wings (the
Bushbaby also came in a shorter wing "speedster" version).
I think my prop pitch is still a bit course. I only get around 5000rpm on
climbout and full throttle in level flight also only gives me 5000rpm. I've
got a 3 blade 72" tapered tip warp drive prop.
Today I noticed the engine surging at around 4000rpm. I set the throttle at
4200rpm in level flight and locked it there. The rpm was dropping as much
as 300rpm and you could both hear and feel the surges. Above 4500 rpm it
doesn't seem to do it and around the 3500rpm mark I also didn't notice it
either. Idle is smooth. There does appear to be the 912S
roughness/vibration at 3800 rpm as others have had. Rpm is displayed on a
Rotax FlyDat, similar to an EIS.
Fuel system is standard. Two wing tanks feed a header behind the seats.
From there it goes to the mechanical pump and then to the carbs. All
filters are clean. It certainly never seems to occur at full throttle which
I would think rules out fuel starvation. Someone at our club suggested it
might be because I don't have a fuel return line after the mechanical pump,
and that at throttle settings below full throttle the fuel pressure is
getting too high?
It has me puzzled at the moment and if anyone has any ideas I would
appreciate the input.
Cheers
Dave Grosvenor
Bushbaby ZU-CJD
Durban, South Africa
http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/dwg/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: A Maule tailwheel question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 1/3/2004 5:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
Removing the grease cup, I see the a
nut that could be tied up to take the slack. But it is not a castle nut with a
pin, like on the wheel (and main wheels) but rather a nut that is locked in
place with a sealing compound.
The Maule tail wheel on my Classic IV uses a castle nut with a cotter pin. I
adjusted mine to reduce the shake to a minimum, just because I felt that
mechanically this would be correct. I have to say that I did not notice any
difference in ground handling but I feel better about it.
William Willyard
Grandville Michigan
N20736
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| Subject: | Re: A few hours on the tacho. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Dave,
I have over 1150 hours on a 912UL and a 912S and neither installations
have a return fuel line after the fuel pump. I do not feel that the
lack of one on your 912S setup is the reason for your problem. The
source of the problem is most likely elsewhere. Just my opinion.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Dave & Wendy Grosvenor wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
>
>Today I noticed the engine surging at around 4000rpm. I set the throttle at
>4200rpm in level flight and locked it there. The rpm was dropping as much
>as 300rpm and you could both hear and feel the surges. Above 4500 rpm it
>doesn't seem to do it and around the 3500rpm mark I also didn't notice it
>either. Idle is smooth. There does appear to be the 912S
>roughness/vibration at 3800 rpm as others have had. Rpm is displayed on a
>Rotax FlyDat, similar to an EIS.
>
>Fuel system is standard. Two wing tanks feed a header behind the seats.
>>From there it goes to the mechanical pump and then to the carbs. All
>filters are clean. It certainly never seems to occur at full throttle which
>I would think rules out fuel starvation. Someone at our club suggested it
>might be because I don't have a fuel return line after the mechanical pump,
>and that at throttle settings below full throttle the fuel pressure is
>getting too high?
>
>It has me puzzled at the moment and if anyone has any ideas I would
>appreciate the input.
>
>Cheers
>Dave Grosvenor
>Bushbaby ZU-CJD
>Durban, South Africa
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox model differences |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ken Cruickshanks <kenc5@gci.net>
I have a question for kitfox owners concerning differences between the series 5,
6 and 7 I'm looking to find the right used airplane for me and many have suggested
that the series 5 is pretty much the same as the 6 & 7. I thought their
is significant difference between these aircraft. One big structural difference
is the spar tubes are made out of heavier gauge aluminum. Also which doesn't
make a difference to me is that the 5 is not convertible to nose wheel.
Also isn't their a big change in the elevator. Just throwing out these questions
for discussion. I have flown the skystars' demo 7 so I don't really have
that much experience comparing the 5.
Should I really be that concerned about the model?
Thanks for your comments
Ken Cruickshanks
Last Frontier Alaska
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| Subject: | Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
Cliff
I am currently building a Kitfox S-6, spring gear with 800 X 6 tires and
plan to use the Jabiru 3300. I am trying to build my plane as light as
possible and any suggestions you may have for keeping it light would be
greatly appreciated. One of the reasons for picking the Jabiru is due
to its light weight (178 lbs). I was planning to leave out the false
ribs on the bottom of the wings, leave out some of the ribs in the
horizontal stabilizer and elevators and not use the rudder build up kit.
I also plan to have just the basic VFR instrument panel.
Comments/Suggestion welcome from all.
Steve Gandy
s.gandy@comcast.net
Aeronca L-3C N48540
Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Newbie
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Ken,
The kitfox is a great plane, in fact it can also be an awesome bush
plane if
you do it right. I like them so much that I have now owned 3 of them! I
assume that you want a bush plane since you are in Alaska, so I'll make
some
comments addressing that. As Vic Jacko mentioned, Tom Johnson and I
bought
his model 5 with a Lycoming 0-235. We are based in Erie, Co at an
elevation
of 5100'. My wife and I flew into an "off airport" landing area on
Christmas
morning that is about 600' long at 5400' elevation. We used less than
half
to get in and a little more than half to get out. She climbs at 1000+
fpm
with two on board, again that is departing from a field at over 5000'
elevation! Generally, our kitfox outperforms all of the cubs and huskies
around here in every regime of flight (there are two huskies and a bunch
of
supercubs locally).
I flew down to Dallas about two months ago and when I departed, the
plane
was off the ground so quick it startled me. I haven't done any real
short
field work down low, but have done plenty up here. Landing up here can
be
done consistently in less than 225'. When I'm feeling good, about 170'.
Keep
in mind that our plane is not really properly set up for maximum short
field
work. The main problem is that the gear is too short and doesn't allow
the
wing to sit at an angle of attack that would minimize takeoff and
landing
distance. I could put on larger tires, and may do that some day. Also,
adding VG's would help.
As Vic mentioned, the key is to keep it light. I mean really light!!!
Don't
put anything in the plane that isn't absolutely, positively, your life
depends on it, necessary! Don't think about saving pounds, think
"ounces".
"Where can I save an ounce" should be your mantra.
If you want to chat about this some more, give me a call at 303-673-0021
(I've got other info and ideas about the kitfox that may be of interest
to a
bush pilot). I work from home, so I'm here most days.
Oh, one more thing, our plane cruises comfortably at 130 mph TAS at 2600
rpm
burning 5.2 gph. Ask me how ;-)
Best Regards,
Cliff
>
> Hi,
> I'm new to the Kitfox list. I'm hoping to build a series 7 someday I
want
to get in touch with other kitfox builders, who are building a Kitfox.
So
many engine options, I'm looking at going with a O-235. Also I have
many
other questions that can only be answered by a builder. This is a huge
commitment and I realize that many kits don't get completed. I'm sure
many
of you remember what I'm going through when you were considering
building an
airplane. I tell me friends and they look at me funny and say, You mean
"one you can actually fly in". Builders/Flyers , Please talk me out
of
this Your comments are appreciated.
>
> Ken Cruickshanks
> Eagle River, Alaska
> kenc5@gci.net
>
>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Steve, keep the plywood! Use the rudder build up kit as it will increase
your top speed. Keep light on the instruments, paint, avionics and
upholstery.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
>
> Cliff
> I am currently building a Kitfox S-6, spring gear with 800 X 6 tires and
> plan to use the Jabiru 3300. I am trying to build my plane as light as
> possible and any suggestions you may have for keeping it light would be
> greatly appreciated. One of the reasons for picking the Jabiru is due
> to its light weight (178 lbs). I was planning to leave out the false
> ribs on the bottom of the wings, leave out some of the ribs in the
> horizontal stabilizer and elevators and not use the rudder build up kit.
> I also plan to have just the basic VFR instrument panel.
> Comments/Suggestion welcome from all.
>
> Steve Gandy
> s.gandy@comcast.net
> Aeronca L-3C N48540
> Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
> Begnaud
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Newbie
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Ken,
> The kitfox is a great plane, in fact it can also be an awesome bush
> plane if
> you do it right. I like them so much that I have now owned 3 of them! I
> assume that you want a bush plane since you are in Alaska, so I'll make
> some
> comments addressing that. As Vic Jacko mentioned, Tom Johnson and I
> bought
> his model 5 with a Lycoming 0-235. We are based in Erie, Co at an
> elevation
> of 5100'. My wife and I flew into an "off airport" landing area on
> Christmas
> morning that is about 600' long at 5400' elevation. We used less than
> half
> to get in and a little more than half to get out. She climbs at 1000+
> fpm
> with two on board, again that is departing from a field at over 5000'
> elevation! Generally, our kitfox outperforms all of the cubs and huskies
> around here in every regime of flight (there are two huskies and a bunch
> of
> supercubs locally).
> I flew down to Dallas about two months ago and when I departed, the
> plane
> was off the ground so quick it startled me. I haven't done any real
> short
> field work down low, but have done plenty up here. Landing up here can
> be
> done consistently in less than 225'. When I'm feeling good, about 170'.
> Keep
> in mind that our plane is not really properly set up for maximum short
> field
> work. The main problem is that the gear is too short and doesn't allow
> the
> wing to sit at an angle of attack that would minimize takeoff and
> landing
> distance. I could put on larger tires, and may do that some day. Also,
> adding VG's would help.
> As Vic mentioned, the key is to keep it light. I mean really light!!!
> Don't
> put anything in the plane that isn't absolutely, positively, your life
> depends on it, necessary! Don't think about saving pounds, think
> "ounces".
> "Where can I save an ounce" should be your mantra.
> If you want to chat about this some more, give me a call at 303-673-0021
> (I've got other info and ideas about the kitfox that may be of interest
> to a
> bush pilot). I work from home, so I'm here most days.
> Oh, one more thing, our plane cruises comfortably at 130 mph TAS at 2600
> rpm
> burning 5.2 gph. Ask me how ;-)
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the Kitfox list. I'm hoping to build a series 7 someday I
> want
> to get in touch with other kitfox builders, who are building a Kitfox.
> So
> many engine options, I'm looking at going with a O-235. Also I have
> many
> other questions that can only be answered by a builder. This is a huge
> commitment and I realize that many kits don't get completed. I'm sure
> many
> of you remember what I'm going through when you were considering
> building an
> airplane. I tell me friends and they look at me funny and say, You mean
> "one you can actually fly in". Builders/Flyers , Please talk me out
> of
> this Your comments are appreciated.
> >
> > Ken Cruickshanks
> > Eagle River, Alaska
> > kenc5@gci.net
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Cliff,
I think most of the heavies have either the certified or auto conversion
engines. With your engine choice, it seems you have already eliminated the
largest of the weight adding options. However, my Model IV is almost
exactly 90 # heavier than a friends. I have carpet, kick panels, all the
fairings including a fully faired horizontal stab and rudder, transponder
and on and on. I perform in cruise a bit better than he does, but lose a
little in climb. As was stated in another related post, keep it simple and
avoid the ounces.
I doubt the items you consider eliminating will be big issues weight wise -
I would add them in, personally - and I think drag reduction can help with
climb performance as well as in cruise - at least that seems to by my
experience.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
>
> Cliff
> I am currently building a Kitfox S-6, spring gear with 800 X 6 tires and
> plan to use the Jabiru 3300. I am trying to build my plane as light as
> possible and any suggestions you may have for keeping it light would be
> greatly appreciated. One of the reasons for picking the Jabiru is due
> to its light weight (178 lbs). I was planning to leave out the false
> ribs on the bottom of the wings, leave out some of the ribs in the
> horizontal stabilizer and elevators and not use the rudder build up kit.
> I also plan to have just the basic VFR instrument panel.
> Comments/Suggestion welcome from all.
>
> Steve Gandy
> s.gandy@comcast.net
> Aeronca L-3C N48540
> Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
> Begnaud
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Newbie
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Ken,
> The kitfox is a great plane, in fact it can also be an awesome bush
> plane if
> you do it right. I like them so much that I have now owned 3 of them! I
> assume that you want a bush plane since you are in Alaska, so I'll make
> some
> comments addressing that. As Vic Jacko mentioned, Tom Johnson and I
> bought
> his model 5 with a Lycoming 0-235. We are based in Erie, Co at an
> elevation
> of 5100'. My wife and I flew into an "off airport" landing area on
> Christmas
> morning that is about 600' long at 5400' elevation. We used less than
> half
> to get in and a little more than half to get out. She climbs at 1000+
> fpm
> with two on board, again that is departing from a field at over 5000'
> elevation! Generally, our kitfox outperforms all of the cubs and huskies
> around here in every regime of flight (there are two huskies and a bunch
> of
> supercubs locally).
> I flew down to Dallas about two months ago and when I departed, the
> plane
> was off the ground so quick it startled me. I haven't done any real
> short
> field work down low, but have done plenty up here. Landing up here can
> be
> done consistently in less than 225'. When I'm feeling good, about 170'.
> Keep
> in mind that our plane is not really properly set up for maximum short
> field
> work. The main problem is that the gear is too short and doesn't allow
> the
> wing to sit at an angle of attack that would minimize takeoff and
> landing
> distance. I could put on larger tires, and may do that some day. Also,
> adding VG's would help.
> As Vic mentioned, the key is to keep it light. I mean really light!!!
> Don't
> put anything in the plane that isn't absolutely, positively, your life
> depends on it, necessary! Don't think about saving pounds, think
> "ounces".
> "Where can I save an ounce" should be your mantra.
> If you want to chat about this some more, give me a call at 303-673-0021
> (I've got other info and ideas about the kitfox that may be of interest
> to a
> bush pilot). I work from home, so I'm here most days.
> Oh, one more thing, our plane cruises comfortably at 130 mph TAS at 2600
> rpm
> burning 5.2 gph. Ask me how ;-)
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the Kitfox list. I'm hoping to build a series 7 someday I
> want
> to get in touch with other kitfox builders, who are building a Kitfox.
> So
> many engine options, I'm looking at going with a O-235. Also I have
> many
> other questions that can only be answered by a builder. This is a huge
> commitment and I realize that many kits don't get completed. I'm sure
> many
> of you remember what I'm going through when you were considering
> building an
> airplane. I tell me friends and they look at me funny and say, You mean
> "one you can actually fly in". Builders/Flyers , Please talk me out
> of
> this Your comments are appreciated.
> >
> > Ken Cruickshanks
> > Eagle River, Alaska
> > kenc5@gci.net
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Chevron gasoline |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:18:02 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
According to my Chevron gasoline supplier, as of 01 November 2003, Chevron started
delivering gasoline with 5.7% ethanol to stations in California. The "contains
MTBE" signs were still displayed because of "trace" amounts of MTBE but there
was no mention of the "contains ethanol" anywhere to be seen.
My question to California Foxers is have you noticed any difference or side effects
so far? I have noticed that the fuel smells different and the EGT on the
912 may, repeat may, be reading slightly higher at cruise RPMs.
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| Subject: | Re: Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Steve,
I would not leave out any ribs or the false ribs. What do mean by the rudder
build up kit? Is this the airfoiled ribs and concave fairings etc? If so, I
would not use them, but that's a personal choice. I don't think it will hurt
the speed of your plane not to have them, but I could be wrong. Mine doesn't
have it and I can red line the plane at sea level.
Lots of weight is added in the interior when people try to make it look
nice. This is a good place to save weight. Also, use the Odyssey battery.
Evaluate every instrument and avionic that you use. Try to find the lightest
combinations. Be careful not to use too much dope, primer, paint etc. Avoid
red paint, it's heavy.
Make your own lightweight strut fairings etc. The plastic ones supplied by
skystar are heavy.
Before we bought his plane, Vic Jacko told me that he started at the
nosecone and evaluated every item for weight as he worked his way toward the
tail. His results show that this tactic works. But as good a job as he did,
there were still areas where more weight could have been trimmed.
The maul pneumatic tailwheel is very heavy. Consider the "homebuilders
special tailwheel" from Aircraft Spruce. It's cheap, works great and is very
light. I have one and do lots of off airport landings with no problem. (it's
all in the technique).
Good luck!
Cliff
>
> Cliff
> I am currently building a Kitfox S-6, spring gear with 800 X 6 tires and
> plan to use the Jabiru 3300. I am trying to build my plane as light as
> possible and any suggestions you may have for keeping it light would be
> greatly appreciated. One of the reasons for picking the Jabiru is due
> to its light weight (178 lbs). I was planning to leave out the false
> ribs on the bottom of the wings, leave out some of the ribs in the
> horizontal stabilizer and elevators and not use the rudder build up kit.
> I also plan to have just the basic VFR instrument panel.
> Comments/Suggestion welcome from all.
>
> Steve Gandy
> s.gandy@comcast.net
> Aeronca L-3C N48540
> Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
> Begnaud
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Newbie
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Ken,
> The kitfox is a great plane, in fact it can also be an awesome bush
> plane if
> you do it right. I like them so much that I have now owned 3 of them! I
> assume that you want a bush plane since you are in Alaska, so I'll make
> some
> comments addressing that. As Vic Jacko mentioned, Tom Johnson and I
> bought
> his model 5 with a Lycoming 0-235. We are based in Erie, Co at an
> elevation
> of 5100'. My wife and I flew into an "off airport" landing area on
> Christmas
> morning that is about 600' long at 5400' elevation. We used less than
> half
> to get in and a little more than half to get out. She climbs at 1000+
> fpm
> with two on board, again that is departing from a field at over 5000'
> elevation! Generally, our kitfox outperforms all of the cubs and huskies
> around here in every regime of flight (there are two huskies and a bunch
> of
> supercubs locally).
> I flew down to Dallas about two months ago and when I departed, the
> plane
> was off the ground so quick it startled me. I haven't done any real
> short
> field work down low, but have done plenty up here. Landing up here can
> be
> done consistently in less than 225'. When I'm feeling good, about 170'.
> Keep
> in mind that our plane is not really properly set up for maximum short
> field
> work. The main problem is that the gear is too short and doesn't allow
> the
> wing to sit at an angle of attack that would minimize takeoff and
> landing
> distance. I could put on larger tires, and may do that some day. Also,
> adding VG's would help.
> As Vic mentioned, the key is to keep it light. I mean really light!!!
> Don't
> put anything in the plane that isn't absolutely, positively, your life
> depends on it, necessary! Don't think about saving pounds, think
> "ounces".
> "Where can I save an ounce" should be your mantra.
> If you want to chat about this some more, give me a call at 303-673-0021
> (I've got other info and ideas about the kitfox that may be of interest
> to a
> bush pilot). I work from home, so I'm here most days.
> Oh, one more thing, our plane cruises comfortably at 130 mph TAS at 2600
> rpm
> burning 5.2 gph. Ask me how ;-)
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the Kitfox list. I'm hoping to build a series 7 someday I
> want
> to get in touch with other kitfox builders, who are building a Kitfox.
> So
> many engine options, I'm looking at going with a O-235. Also I have
> many
> other questions that can only be answered by a builder. This is a huge
> commitment and I realize that many kits don't get completed. I'm sure
> many
> of you remember what I'm going through when you were considering
> building an
> airplane. I tell me friends and they look at me funny and say, You mean
> "one you can actually fly in". Builders/Flyers , Please talk me out
> of
> this Your comments are appreciated.
> >
> > Ken Cruickshanks
> > Eagle River, Alaska
> > kenc5@gci.net
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Was Newbie > Kitfox Bush Plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Gandy" <s.gandy@comcast.net>
First, thanks for the responses so far from Vic, Cliff and Lowell, this
is a great help. - Great List!
Vic Wrote> keep the plywood!
Vic, I assume you mean the false ribs?
Cliff Wrote> Make your own lightweight strut fairings etc.
Cliff, what materials do you make the Strut fairing out of?
Lowell Wrote> all the fairings including a fully faired horizontal stab
and rudder
Lowell, what do you mean by fully faired horizontal stab and rudder?
Thank, Steve Gandy
s.gandy@comcast.net
Aeronca L-3C N48540
Kitfox 6 N540KF (Building)
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| Subject: | Re: A Maule tailwheel question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Wwillyard@aol.com wrote:
> The Maule tail wheel on my Classic IV uses a castle nut with a cotter pin. I
> adjusted mine to reduce the shake to a minimum, just because I felt that
> mechanically this would be correct. I have to say that I did not notice any
> difference in ground handling but I feel better about it.
Thank you, William. This is very interesting. Just to make sure we talk about
the same thing: this is the nut on the pivoting axle, right under the grease
cap, and not the nut on the wheel axis, right?
If so, I might very well consider doing the same and get a castle nut for it. I
still wonder why it was not like that on the original, though. My tailwheel is
from 1991, by the way. But it works just fine. Just that bit of slack that
slightly annoys me.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | O-200 in kitfox Classic 1200? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Help Help Help -
Anyone have any information on an O-200 Cont. in a Kitfox? A buddy found a really
good deal on one and currently has a rotax 618 that is near the end of it's
life cycle. I expressed concerns of the added weight screwing the weight and
balance up big time and I would expect that it would be near or at gross with
1 passenger and fuel. Any comments? Anyone know the FWF weight of an O-200?
Any input appreciated.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: A Maule tailwheel question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 1/4/2004 6:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
Just to make sure we talk about
the same thing: this is the nut on the pivoting axle, right under the grease
cap, and not the nut on the wheel axis, right?
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I was referring to the axle nut. I
have not detected any noticeable movement in the tail wheel pivot, in fact mine
is rather on the stiff side when I try to move the wheel with no weight on it.
I am relatively new at this tail wheel thing, but I don't feel that the
relative tightness of the pivot has a negative effect on handling.
William
Classic IV N20736
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| Subject: | Re: O-200 in kitfox Classic 1200? |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:18:15 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I am told it is 302 lbs.
Dee Young
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: David & Maria Lumgair
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: O-200 in kitfox Classic 1200?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Help Help Help -
Anyone have any information on an O-200 Cont. in a Kitfox? A buddy found a really
good deal on one and currently has a rotax 618 that is near the end of it's
life cycle. I expressed concerns of the added weight screwing the weight
and balance up big time and I would expect that it would be near or at gross
with 1 passenger and fuel. Any comments? Anyone know the FWF weight of an O-200?
Any input appreciated.
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Ken, I came in at just over 600 hundered hours on a classic that included the faired
empenage. As an aside to another thread, I "feel" that the faired empenage
provides some improved handling, smaller dead band in yaw and pitch, than
the slab tails I have flown in.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> there. Has anyone out there actually finished a kit in the suggested time
> that the manufacture suggests? Any bad experience with Skystar? (mine has
>
>
> Ken,
> I built a Classic IV with a suggested build time of 600 hours (I think).
> Heck, I spent 600 hours ironing the tapes. Not really but did put almost
> 2000 hours in the plane. To be honest, I fabricated a lot of my own parts due
> to
> money constraints. I built my own door bottoms, turtledeck and several other
> parts from fiberglass plus cut open my fuel tanks to fix a known Kitfox
> problem. The items I built plus some added special features took a lot of
> hours.
> If you are good, fast, and stick to the instructions (without personal mods)
> you might come close to 600 hours (say 800-1000). Getting too creative will
> also add weight to the airplane.
> To save money, purchase a used kit (say, 50% complete) or, flying. One
> thing about a Kitfox, you will have more in it than you can sell it for (as
> someone else mentioned) If you purchase a used Kit, you need to make absolutely
> certain all the parts are there. If possible, find a Kitfox builder to help
> you with the inventory.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Need help with heater questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Anyone have any good photos (or advice) on heater hose connections for the
factory supplied (earls) heater core kit I'm trying to make work in my Model
IV-1200 with a 912ul? I find there is little or no room to run tee's off of
the main hose connections in the engine compartment. I'm hoping one of you
may have a neat installation that you are so proud of that you might like to
send me a photograph and/or describe how to do it.
Also, I suspect this won't be enough heat in our typical Wisconsin winters
(like right now it is 3 degrees F outside). Any suggestions on additional
cabin heat from exhaust systems in addition to the heater core heat?
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
av8rps@tznet.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
I am removing the bulky Carburetor Heat parts from my Model IV-1200 912ul to
save power and weight. But now I will need some air filters to attach to my
carburetors. I looked everywhere to try and find the part number someone
put on the list (for a 912) previously, but I can't seem to find it. Anyone
have the proper filter numbers handy?
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
av8rps@tznet.com
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| Subject: | Re: A Maule tailwheel question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
I had exactly the same situation as you describe with the Maule tailwheel.
It seemed so sloppy that I looked in to putting in a new sleeve (bronze
bushing). The vertical shaft also seemed to leak grease out of it as fast
as I pumped it in. I wound up leaving the sleeve and adding a washer on the
bottom of the shaft to snug up the vertical play that also existed. It
seems to hold the grease much better with much less free play.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Maule tailwheel question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Today, I removed my Maule tailwheel and took it home for a good cleaning.
> Since I didn't built the plane myself, I don't know how it should look
like as
> new. But right now, the axle is slightly loose. By that, I mean that if I
hold
> the lever, I can move it sideways somehow. In fact, the wheel can move up
and
> down on its axle a couple of millimetres. Removing the grease cup, I see
the a
> nut that could be tied up to take the slack. But it is not a castle nut
with a
> pin, like on the wheel (and main wheels) but rather a nut that is locked
in
> place with a sealing compound. My conclusion is then that this nut is not
> supposed to be adjusted. It may look like the slack in the system is
intended,
> maybe to give freeway to the locking latch of the free-castoring system.
> Otherwise, I have no problem with the tailwheel. It works fine and my
plane has
> a delightful handling on the ground. I just love it. So, I won't repair
> something that works but ... is it meant to be like this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
RC 1880 is the 2" diameter filter I have found to be the best.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Air filters
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> I am removing the bulky Carburetor Heat parts from my Model IV-1200 912ul
to
> save power and weight. But now I will need some air filters to attach to
my
> carburetors. I looked everywhere to try and find the part number someone
> put on the list (for a 912) previously, but I can't seem to find it.
Anyone
> have the proper filter numbers handy?
>
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Wisconsin
> av8rps@tznet.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Ken,
You came to the wrong place if you want to be talked out of it. I am a long way
off from starting a Kitfox and at this point only have experience in a two place
ultralight, but find more encouragement every day by reading and participating
in this list. It really is a great resource and a great place to find aviation
fellowship.
Matt Keyes
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