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1. 03:23 AM - Re: NSI Turbo (gene m. calkins)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Jeff Hays Log (Rick)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (michel)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: NSI Turbo (Rick)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (Rick)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Jeff Hays Log (Rick)
8. 07:51 AM - Re: Jeff Hays Log (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: NSI Turbo (gene m. calkins)
10. 08:06 AM - Re: Jeff Hays Log (Arthur Nation)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (Torgeir Mortensen)
13. 08:57 AM - IO240 inline fuel pump (W Duke)
14. 09:40 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (Kerry Skyring)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: Looking for a compass (Scott McClintock)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: IO240 inline fuel pump (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
17. 12:05 PM - Re: NSI Turbo (kurt schrader)
18. 02:31 PM - Re: NSI Turbo (Rick)
19. 02:54 PM - Re: Looking for a compass (Rick)
20. 03:58 PM - Re: Looking for a compass (Bob Unternaehrer)
21. 04:51 PM - Expanding foam (Steve M)
22. 04:59 PM - Re: Expanding foam (Allan Aaron)
23. 07:04 PM - Re: Looking for a compass (Lowell Fitt)
24. 08:07 PM - Federal Aviation Regs (Trey Moran)
25. 08:50 PM - Looking For a Kitfox (John E. King)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Rick I talked with Tom last night and he will be out of town most of the
week. Tom is not on the list at this time but his address is
n743ta@attbi.com he says work is getting in the way of the fun stuff.. and
I can't answer your question, I have the NSI SHO and I have carb heat.
Gene N99GC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> According to Lance the carb heat is not required. The Ellison unit says it
> does. I installed a carb temp gage just to track. I think the unit that
has
> been discussed for the 912 might be a good idea. However, some real world
> testing is in order. Say Tom how is you unit working. I cant imagine the
> unit heating the air enough and am curious just how much heat would have
to
> be coupled to the Ellison to prevent ice formation. This would require a
> metal to metal contact on the flange would it not.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> Could anyone using this engine that could tell me what you have for carb
> heat? Did NSI make a carb heat package for this engine?
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
>
> I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
>
>
Jeff,
For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never could
get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce and
still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I then
started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a bracket just
above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work and
still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that changing the
inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO" good.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
What is the site name?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jeff Hays Log
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
If you thought that Jeff Hays web page was great, you should see his plane
in person! I had the honor of being his Tech Counselor during the build and
I can easily say that it is among the best..........Great job Jeff..
Ron N55KF
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> > If anybody is interested there's a few pics at:
>
> Well, I just spent an enjoyable two solid hours on Jeff's web-builder's
> log.
> (Well Done, Jeff!!)
>
> I recommend this to any of the "newbies". (Where's that guy from Eagle
> River, Alaska?)
>
> Scott McClintock
> "Arctic Fox" N772HR
> Nome, AK.
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From AlbertaIV@aol.com =====
>That the best place I could get any compass to work and
>still have the installation look good.
I have mine right under the top crossbar, in the centerline. Since I am new to
aviation and didn't built the plane myself, I was interested to see how it
would work. First, it wasn't compensated and had up to 30 degrees error. I
compensated it then flew the plane. For me it works fine, remembering that a
heading should only be checked when at constant speed and heading.
If I have to make, say a 30 degrees turn to the right, I visualize something
on the ground at that angle, I swing the plane, then check again the heading.
It's much easier to follow the compass at sea, I agree. But I find the mag
compass quite acceptable in the air too. I have a flux-gate on my maritime
autopilot too. But, somehow, I don't trust electronic that much.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
The turbo NSI engine does not come with it. Is this something you installed?
If so I am sure we would all love to see it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gene m.
calkins
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Rick I talked with Tom last night and he will be out of town most of the
week. Tom is not on the list at this time but his address is
n743ta@attbi.com he says work is getting in the way of the fun stuff.. and
I can't answer your question, I have the NSI SHO and I have carb heat.
Gene N99GC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> According to Lance the carb heat is not required. The Ellison unit says it
> does. I installed a carb temp gage just to track. I think the unit that
has
> been discussed for the 912 might be a good idea. However, some real world
> testing is in order. Say Tom how is you unit working. I cant imagine the
> unit heating the air enough and am curious just how much heat would have
to
> be coupled to the Ellison to prevent ice formation. This would require a
> metal to metal contact on the flange would it not.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> Could anyone using this engine that could tell me what you have for carb
> heat? Did NSI make a carb heat package for this engine?
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Ditto on making any compass work in the fox. I wanted to do the remote
sensor type as well but when I checked they were more than the good AOAs. So
now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really isn't
required for VFR flight anyway. Besides my GPS works better than any compass
and even tells me to get back on course. To each his or her own.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
>
> I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
>
>
Jeff,
For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never
could
get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce and
still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I then
started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a bracket
just
above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work and
still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that
changing the
inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO" good.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Well i tried Jeff Hayes and got 389,000 hits. Anyone have the site?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jeff Hays Log
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
If you thought that Jeff Hays web page was great, you should see his plane
in person! I had the honor of being his Tech Counselor during the build and
I can easily say that it is among the best..........Great job Jeff..
Ron N55KF
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> > If anybody is interested there's a few pics at:
>
> Well, I just spent an enjoyable two solid hours on Jeff's web-builder's
> log.
> (Well Done, Jeff!!)
>
> I recommend this to any of the "newbies". (Where's that guy from Eagle
> River, Alaska?)
>
> Scott McClintock
> "Arctic Fox" N772HR
> Nome, AK.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi -
Thanks for all the nice comments on my site!
The url is: http://www.aselia.com/jshays/outback.htm
Regards,
Jeff Hays
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rick turboflyer@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jeff Hays Log
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Well i tried Jeff Hayes and got 389,000 hits. Anyone have the site?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jeff Hays Log
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
If you thought that Jeff Hays web page was great, you should see his plane
in person! I had the honor of being his Tech Counselor during the build and
I can easily say that it is among the best..........Great job Jeff..
Ron N55KF
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> > If anybody is interested there's a few pics at:
>
> Well, I just spent an enjoyable two solid hours on Jeff's web-builder's
> log.
> (Well Done, Jeff!!)
>
> I recommend this to any of the "newbies". (Where's that guy from Eagle
> River, Alaska?)
>
> Scott McClintock
> "Arctic Fox" N772HR
> Nome, AK.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Rick the carb heat came with the engine from NSI and will not fit the
turbo engine. There is too much difference between the SHO and the TURBO,
like the intake and exhaust. Gene N99GC
- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> The turbo NSI engine does not come with it. Is this something you
installed?
> If so I am sure we would all love to see it.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gene m.
> calkins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins"
<calkinsgm@charter.net>
>
> Rick I talked with Tom last night and he will be out of town most of the
> week. Tom is not on the list at this time but his address is
> n743ta@attbi.com he says work is getting in the way of the fun stuff..
and
> I can't answer your question, I have the NSI SHO and I have carb heat.
> Gene N99GC
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> >
> > According to Lance the carb heat is not required. The Ellison unit says
it
> > does. I installed a carb temp gage just to track. I think the unit that
> has
> > been discussed for the 912 might be a good idea. However, some real
world
> > testing is in order. Say Tom how is you unit working. I cant imagine the
> > unit heating the air enough and am curious just how much heat would have
> to
> > be coupled to the Ellison to prevent ice formation. This would require a
> > metal to metal contact on the flange would it not.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
> >
> > Could anyone using this engine that could tell me what you have for carb
> > heat? Did NSI make a carb heat package for this engine?
> >
> >
> > Howard Firm
> > 508 12th St. South
> > Virginia MN 55792
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff Hays Log |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 07:25, Rick wrote:
it's in one of yesterdays list messages.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Well i tried Jeff Hayes and got 389,000 hits. Anyone have the site?
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jeff Hays Log
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> If you thought that Jeff Hays web page was great, you should see his plane
> in person! I had the honor of being his Tech Counselor during the build
> and I can easily say that it is among the best..........Great job Jeff..
>
> Ron N55KF
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
>
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> > > If anybody is interested there's a few pics at:
> >
> > Well, I just spent an enjoyable two solid hours on Jeff's web-builder's
> > log.
> > (Well Done, Jeff!!)
> >
> > I recommend this to any of the "newbies". (Where's that guy from Eagle
> > River, Alaska?)
> >
> > Scott McClintock
> > "Arctic Fox" N772HR
> > Nome, AK.
>
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| Subject: | Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I have a Sirs installed in my plane, and it works pretty well.
The fueslage tubing in the fox is very magnetized from the Mig
welding that Skystar does, so I located it above the avionics
stack. I do get a deflection when I transmit on the KX-155 but
it works well enough. In any case the compass compensation adj.
in this compass was enough to correct most of the error that
I was getting.
http://www.aselia.com/jshays/Gallery/piccp.jpg
I will admit that I use my GPS almost exclusively for hdg.
reference.
Jeff Hays
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rick turboflyer@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Ditto on making any compass work in the fox. I wanted to do the remote
sensor type as well but when I checked they were more than the good AOAs. So
now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really isn't
required for VFR flight anyway. Besides my GPS works better than any compass
and even tells me to get back on course. To each his or her own.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
>
> I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
>
>
Jeff,
For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never
could
get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce and
still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I then
started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a bracket
just
above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work and
still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that
changing the
inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO" good.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Jeff,
Some time ago I referred to the Stratomaster; "smart singles" from MGL
avionics. Those instruments is made in Southern Africa and they offer
the latest in "state of the art"!
I now have bought 5 of their units lately, just to be used in "pitot
static" testers etc.(in calibrating "so called" real planes), they are
accurate and robust,- and the price is quite reasonable.
Most people think this company offer a limited selection, not true, they
also offer three different types of "slaved" DG system! Just to say, the
heading sensor is made by Honeywell- and the sensor is remote located,
I.E. you put the sensor in a center location far from other magnetic
disturbance.
The difference between those units is the accuracy for the heading
sensor. (Read more in their spec. sheets).
Those units is stand alone, and they are really low weigh units,
typically around 100 gram each ! Also the EL. power consumption is very
attractive, typically 50mA. Right, 0.05 Ampere!
IMHO., the right combination of such instruments is much better than
those "big" EFIS systems, as "one" failure force you to remove the whole
unit for repair.
Go to this site and see for yourself:
http://www.MGLAvionics.co.za/singles.html
Just roll down- and see the selection, they even offer percent RPM
indicators can be used for turbines as well!
Of course, you can customize the "percent" RPM indicators as you'll
like.
Here is their home page:
http://www.MGLAvionics.co.za/
Enjoy.
Torgeir.
Jeff Smathers wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
>
> It's exciting to see so many of you getting your aircraft signed off
> and hearing your first flight experiences.
>
> Of course, I will report mine as well.....
>
> Thanks, Jeff Smathers Molalla, Or.
>
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| Subject: | IO240 inline fuel pump |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
This question is for Jeff Hayes specifically but anyone with an IO240 will be interested
in the answers.
My name is Maxwell Duke. I first flew my S6 IO240 4-19-03 and have had some concern
about the engine driven fuel pump. I considered a pump upstream but the
maximum inlet pressure at the Continental pump is something like 6 psi (not enough
to atomize fuel). I assumed that since there was no provision for an electric
backup that the engine driven pump was actually 2 pumps. I recently read
your engine failure adventure. How did you install the backup pump? Downstream
of the engine driven pump? Did you consult with anyone who may have proven
that the engine will run with it alone?
Thanks in advance.
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>The fueslage tubing in the fox is very magnetized from the Mig
>welding that Skystar does,
Just to mention that tubing can be de-magnetised. I recall doing
this many years ago to another tube aircraft. The device appeared
to be a heavy transformer which was passed over the magnetised
tube. Seemed to work.
Kerry
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
So now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really isn't
required for VFR flight anyway.
Rick,
You need to go back to ground school.
Check out FAR-AIM Part 91.205(b) "For VFR flight during the day, the following
instruments and equipment are REQUIRED:
1) Airspeed Indicator
2) Altimeter
3) Magnetic Direction Indicator " (I.e. COMPASS)
and there are others, you need to know these.
I agree on your statement about the GPS but when your panel fails or you forget
to put fresh batteries in your handheld GPS, wouldn't you like to have that nice
little compass that does not need electricity to get yourself back home???
Technology is great, but a pilot is required to be able to operate his/her
aircraft using only the basic instruments.
Get your compass in working order, it may save your cookies someday!
Scott McClintock
"Arctic Fox" N772HR
Nome, AK.
Rick wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Ditto on making any compass work in the fox. I wanted to do the remote
> sensor type as well but when I checked they were more than the good AOAs. So
> now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really isn't
> required for VFR flight anyway. Besides my GPS works better than any compass
> and even tells me to get back on course. To each his or her own.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
>
> >
> > I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> > nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> > place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
> >
> >
>
> Jeff,
> For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never
> could
> get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce and
> still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I then
> started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a bracket
> just
> above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work and
> still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that
> changing the
> inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO" good.
>
> Don Smythe
>
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| Subject: | IO240 inline fuel pump |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi -
I installed a Weldon 8163-A pump in mine. The continental fuel
injection system is very simple. I have all the manuals at home
for it, and did a lot of looking into it after my pump failed.
Avweb has an article http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/181624-1.html
which is usefull to read.
The Weldon is a free-flowing pump with an internal checkvalve.
Mine is mounted under the passenger seat. It is only used for
starting, or as an emergency backup. The IO-240B will flood if
this pump is run while the engine is running.
Another HUGE benefit of the Weldon pump is that I can start my
airplane almost as easily as starting my car. If you have an IO-240B
with a Facet, then I know for sure you know the frustration of
counting to 30 or more, while listening to the facet pump going
click-click-click, then cranking the engine until the battery drops
dead trying to start it.
My pump under certain conditions would leak at the seal described
in TCM CSB-01 (see www.tcmlink.com). This allowed air in the pump,
and the pump would cavitate. If you have an IO-240B you definetly
should NOT fly your plane unless you're sure you do not have this
particular pump installed. As a side note - The Bonanza in the
hangar across from me with an IO-540 (same pump), had the very
same problem I had. This is not an uncommon problem with the
Continental pump ... My engine was 4 mos. out of warranty, but
Continental replaced the pump ($2600) for free, with no other
questions than what were the symptoms. Kind of makes you think they
knew exactly what happened.
If you use an electric boost pump, the engine will run, but the
pressure being constant you would have to fiddle around a bit to
get the right combination of mixture and throttle.
My opinion - Is that fiddling around to get the engine to run right,
is better than gliding in to land with the prop stopped (this I have
done). :)
I'm not going to bad mouth Skystar, BUT they know about these
problems, and to date I've never heard them notify anybody I know
who owns an IO-240B Kitfox ... I'm also surprised that they wouldn't
buy back the (unused) Warpdrive prop they sold me as part of my engine
purchase, AFTER they later notified me not to use it (cracking concerns).
This last by the way, WarpDrive did buy back from me, no questions
asked.
Regards,
Jeff Hays
Original Message:
-----------------
From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: IO240 inline fuel pump
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
This question is for Jeff Hayes specifically but anyone with an IO240 will
be interested in the answers.
My name is Maxwell Duke. I first flew my S6 IO240 4-19-03 and have had
some concern about the engine driven fuel pump. I considered a pump
upstream but the maximum inlet pressure at the Continental pump is
something like 6 psi (not enough to atomize fuel). I assumed that since
there was no provision for an electric backup that the engine driven pump
was actually 2 pumps. I recently read your engine failure adventure. How
did you install the backup pump? Downstream of the engine driven pump?
Did you consult with anyone who may have proven that the engine will run
with it alone?
Thanks in advance.
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
If you don't mind, would you tell us what your temp
gage results are so far at the carb?
I had the same concerns and have mounted a temp gage
at the "S" duct between the carb and the turbo where I
noticed the biggest temp drop on ground runs with the
cowl off. In my case, the temp there drops up to 20
degrees with the cowl off, and rises about 20 degrees
above ambient with the cowl on. (Very limited testing
so far do to my work schedule though.) Based on that,
I think it would not take a great deal more heat to
keep the duct and carb warm enough to prevent ice.
What results have you had so far?
What I would really like to see is that "S" duct
double walled and heated with oil or coolant. If I am
correct, the intake duct after the turbo is "cooled"
with coolant. We need the heat around the carb, then
cooling after the turbo. Got to be a good way to do
that somehow.
Was it you, Rick, who brought up using an intercooler?
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> According to Lance the carb heat is not required.
> The Ellison unit says it
> does. I installed a carb temp gage just to track. I
> think the unit that has
> been discussed for the 912 might be a good idea.
> However, some real world
> testing is in order. Say Tom how is you unit
> working. I cant imagine the
> unit heating the air enough and am curious just how
> much heat would have to
> be coupled to the Ellison to prevent ice formation.
> This would require a
> metal to metal contact on the flange would it not.
>
> Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Yes Kurt I did talk about the intercooler but have not gotten to far other
than it should be feasible even with a pull through non injected engine. I
am basing that on a good reference book on engine building and from one of
the major intercooler manufacturers. I want to do a lot more research and
need to see one working before I put it in the air.
You know I cant remember the temps but I do know there are times I am
definitely in the carb ice zone, typical at settings other than full power.
As far as the S section, if you mean the one that connects the turbo to the
TBI, I mounted mine on the TBI itself, I think 1/4 x28 thread probe, on the
low pressure side of the slide. I was nervous about the drilling, but what
the heck it worked. The S section I had Swain do a thermal barrier coating
similar to ceramic. I want the air as cool as possible and since the S is
down stream of the turbo outside airflow I thought it a good idea. I didn't
have the compressor section coated, running out of project money fast but
will at least powder coat it myself. The turbine section is getting the same
Swain triple ceramic coating and I plan on adding a custom stainless cover
as well. All that said I think the air or water to TBI heater is a good
idea. And yes the intake manifold is water cooled/heated. I had that coated
with a thermal heat transfer enhancer coating. They claim a 15 too 20
percent efficiency increase over a non-coated item. We shall see how all
this turns out.
Right now the valves are off to get their coatings along with the new oil
pan. OK somebody's else's turn.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
If you don't mind, would you tell us what your temp
gage results are so far at the carb?
I had the same concerns and have mounted a temp gage
at the "S" duct between the carb and the turbo where I
noticed the biggest temp drop on ground runs with the
cowl off. In my case, the temp there drops up to 20
degrees with the cowl off, and rises about 20 degrees
above ambient with the cowl on. (Very limited testing
so far do to my work schedule though.) Based on that,
I think it would not take a great deal more heat to
keep the duct and carb warm enough to prevent ice.
What results have you had so far?
What I would really like to see is that "S" duct
double walled and heated with oil or coolant. If I am
correct, the intake duct after the turbo is "cooled"
with coolant. We need the heat around the carb, then
cooling after the turbo. Got to be a good way to do
that somehow.
Was it you, Rick, who brought up using an intercooler?
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> According to Lance the carb heat is not required.
> The Ellison unit says it
> does. I installed a carb temp gage just to track. I
> think the unit that has
> been discussed for the 912 might be a good idea.
> However, some real world
> testing is in order. Say Tom how is you unit
> working. I cant imagine the
> unit heating the air enough and am curious just how
> much heat would have to
> be coupled to the Ellison to prevent ice formation.
> This would require a
> metal to metal contact on the flange would it not.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Thanks and I will look. But I don't believe it says it has to be a compass
just something that indicates a magnetic direction. Also your are looking
under GA aircraft requirements. Might look at what is required in an
experimental VFR day aircraft. I cant remember the area but am almost
certain its there. When it was pointed out to me I remember being relieved
that I could use my GPS or nothing. My GPS is hard wired and has 4 hrs of
battery power. If my total electrical system fails one, the magnetic compass
is going to be so far out of wack from the absence of electrical fluxes it
wont matter. Second, if my electrical system fails I can fly at least 4
hours on my RG35 battery. If the engine quits, which has happened I don't
need a compass to land on what's under me. Would I prefer to have a
dependable accurate compass, yes. Is there a stand alone magnetic that works
in a model 5 Kitfox, nope. So if I get rid of the GPS and put and unreliable
whisky compass in the cockpit what have I gained. I might be in your opinion
(legal) but in my opinion stupid. And no I am not mad or upset.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
McClintock
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
So now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really
isn't
required for VFR flight anyway.
Rick,
You need to go back to ground school.
Check out FAR-AIM Part 91.205(b) "For VFR flight during the day, the
following
instruments and equipment are REQUIRED:
1) Airspeed Indicator
2) Altimeter
3) Magnetic Direction Indicator " (I.e. COMPASS)
and there are others, you need to know these.
I agree on your statement about the GPS but when your panel fails or you
forget
to put fresh batteries in your handheld GPS, wouldn't you like to have that
nice
little compass that does not need electricity to get yourself back home???
Technology is great, but a pilot is required to be able to operate his/her
aircraft using only the basic instruments.
Get your compass in working order, it may save your cookies someday!
Scott McClintock
"Arctic Fox" N772HR
Nome, AK.
Rick wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Ditto on making any compass work in the fox. I wanted to do the remote
> sensor type as well but when I checked they were more than the good AOAs.
So
> now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really isn't
> required for VFR flight anyway. Besides my GPS works better than any
compass
> and even tells me to get back on course. To each his or her own.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
>
> >
> > I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> > nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> > place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
> >
> >
>
> Jeff,
> For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never
> could
> get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce
and
> still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I then
> started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a bracket
> just
> above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work
and
> still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that
> changing the
> inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO"
good.
>
> Don Smythe
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I believe a magnetic compas IS required in a N numbered airplane. Don't
know about the Heavy ultralites or trainers. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Ditto on making any compass work in the fox. I wanted to do the remote
> sensor type as well but when I checked they were more than the good AOAs.
So
> now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really isn't
> required for VFR flight anyway. Besides my GPS works better than any
compass
> and even tells me to get back on course. To each his or her own.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> > nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> > place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
> >
> >
>
> Jeff,
> For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never
> could
> get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce
and
> still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I then
> started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a bracket
> just
> above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work
and
> still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that
> changing the
> inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO"
good.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I have a question about the expanding foam-in-a-can people sometimes use for
insulation etc. You spray it into whatever area in a fairly thin film, then
it expands to many times its original size and hardens.
My question is, how well does it bond to whatever it's sprayed onto? After
it hardens, does it crack off the surface fairly easily? or does it adhere
strongly, such that you have to tear it up to eventually grind all the
pieces off?
I'd like to use it on some strut fairings for my Model 2. I've taken the
hard-plastic door mouldings from Home Depot that are shaped soret of like
half an airfoil, hollowed out the front edges. The plan is tol glue two
together to form (approximately) a full airfoil shape and glue them to the
back of the 3/4" round wing struts.
But the hollowing was done with a Skilsaw, and will leave a lot of gap
directly behind the metal strut. Only the front edges reach forward to mate
smoothly with the top and bottom of the round strut. I'd like to shoot some
of this foam in behind the metal strut to fill that space, putting a blob
every foot or so. But it won't do much good if it doesn't bond to both the
plastic fairing and the metal strut. Anyone know if this stuff bonds well to
(rough sanded) surfaces?
Steve Maher
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Hi Steve
Expanding foam bonds very well so would be pretty good in your proposed application
(if I understand your description correctly). I used expanding foam inside
my wheel strut fairings and its held up quite well.
But some of the foam-in-a-can products don't set well ... they remain a little
soft. You might want to experiment a little. I find the two part foams are much
better, harder, stronger (and maybe lighter) but they are harder to apply
than the spray foams.
Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve M [mailto:ondeck355@hotmail.com]
Subject: Kitfox-List: Expanding foam
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I have a question about the expanding foam-in-a-can people sometimes use for
insulation etc. You spray it into whatever area in a fairly thin film, then
it expands to many times its original size and hardens.
My question is, how well does it bond to whatever it's sprayed onto? After
it hardens, does it crack off the surface fairly easily? or does it adhere
strongly, such that you have to tear it up to eventually grind all the
pieces off?
I'd like to use it on some strut fairings for my Model 2. I've taken the
hard-plastic door mouldings from Home Depot that are shaped soret of like
half an airfoil, hollowed out the front edges. The plan is tol glue two
together to form (approximately) a full airfoil shape and glue them to the
back of the 3/4" round wing struts.
But the hollowing was done with a Skilsaw, and will leave a lot of gap
directly behind the metal strut. Only the front edges reach forward to mate
smoothly with the top and bottom of the round strut. I'd like to shoot some
of this foam in behind the metal strut to fill that space, putting a blob
every foot or so. But it won't do much good if it doesn't bond to both the
plastic fairing and the metal strut. Anyone know if this stuff bonds well to
(rough sanded) surfaces?
Steve Maher
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a compass |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Where are the Gurus that in the past, when this thread came up, talked about
de-gaussing the airframe to make the compass work accurately?
Lowell
> Rick wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> >
> > Ditto on making any compass work in the fox. I wanted to do the remote
> > sensor type as well but when I checked they were more than the good
AOAs. So
> > now I don't have either and it is my understanding a compass really
isn't
> > required for VFR flight anyway. Besides my GPS works better than any
compass
> > and even tells me to get back on course. To each his or her own.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > AlbertaIV@aol.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a compass
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 1/13/04 2:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm getting real close to sign-off on my KF Outback and need a
> > > nice electronic compass with a remote fluxgate sensor that I can
> > > place away from wires and tubing.......any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Jeff,
> > For what it's worth, I tried one of the electronic units and never
> > could
> > get it to work anywhere. I finally bought a regular compass from Spruce
and
> > still couldn't get it to work anywhere above the instrument panel. I
then
> > started looking for other spots and found the best place was on a
bracket
> > just
> > above the throttle. That the best place I could get any compass to work
and
> > still have the installation look good.. Someone once mentioned that
> > changing the
> > inst panel support tubes to alum did the trick. I tried that and "NO"
good.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Federal Aviation Regs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Trey Moran" <ffmoran@centurytel.net>
This seems appropriate in light of discussion on mag compass:
PROPOSED CHANGE TO FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION
1000.A No pilot or pilots, or person or persons acting on the direction
or suggestion or supervision of the pilot or pilots may try, or attempt to
try or make or make attempt to try to comprehend or understand any or all,
in whole or in part of the herein mentioned Federal Aviation Regulations,
except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed by, or
inspected by the Administrator.
1000.B If the pilot, or group of associated pilots becomes aware of, or
realizes, or detects, or discovers or finds that he, or she, or they, are
or have been beginning to understand the Federal Aviation Regulations,
they must immediately, within three (3) days notify, in writing, the
Administrator.
1000.C Upon receipt of the above mentioned notice of impending
comprehension, the Administrator will immediately rewrite the Federal
Aviation Regulations in such a manner as to eliminate any further
comprehension hazards.
1000.D The Administrator may, at his or her option, require the offending
pilot, or pilots, to attend remedial instruction in Federal Aviation
Regulations until such time that the pilot is too confused to be capable
of understanding anything.
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| Subject: | Looking For a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
To the List,
A Mr. Gary Roberts who is an experienced pilot of certified aircraft is
interested in purchasing an already built Kitfox, preferably a Series 5,
6, or 7. He is not a list member so I am posting his request for
him. Please contact him directly at
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John King
Warrenton, VA
John,
I'm toying (i.e. I don't have my wife's permission yet) with the idea of
buying a completed Kitfox, and just wondered if someone with a well
equipped, well built showpiece might be wanting to sell it.
Right now I'm flying a Twin Commander 690A, and have about 1600+ hrs TT
in various aircraft like Bonanzas/Mirages/C414.
Most of my flying consists of long distance from Southern Cal to
Central Oregon, where we have a vacation home, or to Vancouver, Canada
(my favorite). But I'd like something just for fun without breaking the
bank every time I fly.
I'd really like something I can put in my garage - polish on the
weekends - sit in it when I'm bored. The Kitfox seems to fit the bill.
Which model - well probably any one of them from the Series 5 to 7
model. Taildragger is a must, just because it's different. If you want
to use my name and email address for the list ad, that would be great.
Don't want to put my phone # on it yet because I can't take too many
calls during the day, gotta work to for these things. But email is great
- then I can answer as I have time.
Gary Roberts
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