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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Little coolant leak with 912UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
2. 06:42 AM - Toe In (Larry)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Toe in WAS: Landing problem (Lowell Fitt)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Engine choice (Clifford Begnaud)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: Engine choice (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
6. 08:04 AM - Tri-gear mod? (Ron Carroll)
7. 08:42 AM - Re: Tri-gear mod? (Dee Young)
8. 08:49 AM - Duel; wast: Engine choice (Clifford Begnaud)
9. 09:09 AM - CAP-140 (Alberto Barba)
10. 09:50 AM - Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
11. 10:07 AM - CAP's (Clem Nichols)
12. 10:23 AM - Re: CAP's (Gary Algate)
13. 10:28 AM - Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice (Clifford Begnaud)
14. 11:45 AM - Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
15. 11:55 AM - Subject Changes and Do Not Archive (Ted Palamarek)
16. 12:27 PM - Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice (Clifford Begnaud)
17. 12:36 PM - Fw: Duel; was: Engine choice (Clifford Begnaud)
18. 01:57 PM - CAP-140 (John Moody)
19. 02:12 PM - Re: Toe in (Michel Verheughe)
20. 02:29 PM - Landing on Roads - Quick Survey (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
21. 03:07 PM - Re: Landing on Roads - Quick Survey (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
22. 03:19 PM - Re: CAP-140 (dmorisse)
23. 03:21 PM - Re: CAP-140 (Steve Zakreski)
24. 03:30 PM - Landing on Roads (Scott McClintock)
25. 03:39 PM - Off Airport Landings (Scott McClintock)
26. 03:53 PM - Re: Toe In (gjglh@itlnet.net)
27. 04:42 PM - Re: Landing on Roads - Quick Survey (Tom Jones)
28. 06:54 PM - Landing on Roads (hausding, sid)
29. 08:10 PM - Re: CAP-140 (Jeff Smathers)
30. 08:52 PM - Re: CAP-140 (gene m. calkins)
31. 09:49 PM - Re: CAP-140 (John Moody)
32. 10:25 PM - Re: CAP-140 (Jeff Smathers)
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| Subject: | Re: Little coolant leak with 912UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
I want to thank everyone for the time responding to my questions of the
coolant leak.
A couple of you rightfully suggested I look first to see if the rubber
tube/hose clamp could be the initiator of leak. Brilliant idea! how many times
have
we neglected to investigate the obvious and found ourselves "up the creek" for
no reason.
I looked at the juncture of the rubber hose with flash light and small
mirror. Dry as a bone!
So I removed the two screws and opened up the system to take a look-see.
This far, I have ordered the O rings and Loctite #609 from Lockwood Aviation
(Fla.) and should get them by Friday. I will try just the O ring replacement
to begin with and if this does not cure it then I will try the changing of the
Loctite at the flange/elbow thread area. I have two leaking flanges and I
ordered eight O rings, so I will have enough to do the job again if need be.
But by the look of things, when I tighten down the flange this should be
enough to allow the O ring to do it's job.
Again, thank you all. Eric Ashman
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Larry <Lmar@direcway.com>
The way that I measured the angle is as follows. I strung a line from the center
of the tail wheel spring bolt to the center of the firewall and carried it
forward a long way. I then used a board clamped to the outer side of the wheel.
I then measured the distance from the centerline to the board 3' aft of the
tire, and again 3' forward of the tire. That measurement differed by "x", with
the forward measurement narrower. I am from the school of a bit of out is
better. I had 2 degrees of toe in - definitely not good. (good thing that I
have never landed on pavement) I used a washer to adjust my wheel temporarily,
but I'm going to send the gear to Grove to get repaired.
Hope this helps,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Toe in WAS: Landing problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I went through this thought process when I changed out to the spring gear.
I did align the tube gear per Skystar's instructions.
At least on the Spring gear, the alignment does change as the aircraft is
loaded. In a conversation with Hammerhead, my gear mfg., they said this was
engineered into the configuration of the gear. I did check alignment and
the landing and fast taxi is quite docile. It will also change with the
tail up, so those that mentioned the toe dance with a wheel landing might
check the alignment with the tail in flying attitude.
Skystar published a set of instructions in an early newsletter that they
published. I think it was authored by Mark Budak, and early tech. guru
there.
Their instructions are as follows:
1 Drop a line form the tail wheel mounting bolt to the floor and mark that
position.
2 Drop a line from midpoint between mains and mark that position,\.
3 Snap a chalk line between those two points, giving the long axis of the
airframe.
4 remove the wheel and using a square held against the axle, drop a line
from the end of the square, fore and aft and mark those positions. This is
the track of that tire. Do the same for the other wheel.
This will give the independent alignment for each wheel. It was suggested in
the article to then secure the tail in position and then using a long padded
pipe, bend the tube gear into proper alignment. I found in practice that
the axle was of mild steel and the axle bent rather than the gear. Skystar
and others sell angled shims for alignment of the spring gear.
Being trigonometrically challenged, I drew the results into a CAD program
and had the software measure the angles for me.
With the hammerhead gear the unloaded alignment was 1.07 toe in right wheel
and 2.03 left wheel.
Loaded empty, it was .35 and .39 respectively. I presume by that the
handling characteristics, that with me onboard it is at least parallel and
loaded to gross, I get a bit of tow out.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Toe in WAS: Landing problem
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor"
<dwg@iafrica.com>
>
> It's also worth remembering that this angle might change when you load the
> airplane up to gross weight. It might also change in the tail high
> position. Someone once suggested that you put each main wheel on a pair
of
> 12"x12" steel plates with a layer of grease between the plates. Then load
> the airplane to gross. The plates will allow the wheels to find the
natural
> position they would if the airplane was rolling down the runway. You can
> choose whether you want to set it tail up or down, or check both
positions.
>
> I followed a long heated debate on rec-aviation-homebuilt about toe in vs
> toe out. The outcome of the debate was that the best bet is toe out or
zero
> toe. When your airplane swerves on the runway, the wheel on the outside
of
> the turn is pushed hard onto the ground and becomes the wheel responsible
> for where you go from there. If this wheel has toe in, it will try to
turn
> you into the turn more, aggravating the situation. Is it has toe out, it
> will try to correct the turn. The disadvantage of toe out is additional
> tire wear, so zero toe might be better.
>
> I still need to do this excercise. I'm sure my alignment is out but I'm
> operating off grass at the moment and it's quite forgiving.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Ron,
I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may not be
what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not a lot
of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
Cliff
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm considering a
> C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a Kitfox?
>
> Thanks, Ron N55KF
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Yuck! Why an O-235? you could get a real engine for almost that
price (IO-240B for instance). Then you'd have a "real"
airplane. :)
Knowing Ron, he's probably interested in a C-85, because he's
figured out how to get one for almost free ... Which makes his
$$/hp. ratio really good. - My guess that is.
Jeff Hays
Original Message:
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From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Ron,
I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may not be
what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not a lot
of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
Cliff
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm considering a
> C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a Kitfox?
>
> Thanks, Ron N55KF
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Can a Model-3 or a Model-4 be converted from tailwheel to tricycle gear?
If possible I would consider this for my 3, and my neighbor wonders if this can
be done to his nearly completed Model-4.
Ron Carroll
KF-3/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I know a guy who converted a Model II to tri-gear. If he can do it most
anyone can change to the tri configuration I would believe.
Dee Young
Model II
>From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Tri-gear mod?
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:04:52 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
>Can a Model-3 or a Model-4 be converted from tailwheel to tricycle gear?
>
>If possible I would consider this for my 3, and my neighbor wonders if this
>can be done to his nearly completed Model-4.
>
>Ron Carroll
>KF-3/582
>
>
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| Subject: | Duel; wast: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Ha ha, very funny. I sense a rivalry brewing. ;-)
Wait; let me pull out my dueling glove.... there it is... SLAP, SLAP!
You've chosen your weapon sir; name the time, I'll choose the location.
Kind Regards,
Cliff
our Kitfox 5 with a yucky 0-235 will whup your brand spankin new, REAL
engined kitfox, anyday ;-)
>
>
> Yuck! Why an O-235? you could get a real engine for almost that
> price (IO-240B for instance). Then you'd have a "real"
> airplane. :)
>
> Knowing Ron, he's probably interested in a C-85, because he's
> figured out how to get one for almost free ... Which makes his
> $$/hp. ratio really good. - My guess that is.
>
> Jeff Hays
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:25:29 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> Ron,
> I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may not be
> what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not a
lot
> of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
> Cliff
> >
> > Hello Listers,
> >
> > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm considering
a
> > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
Kitfox?
> >
> > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Alberto Barba" <ambarba@infosel.net.mx>
CAP 140
Any comments about this prop
maintenance performance
problems etc.
Alberto Barba
Guadalajara MEX.
Serie 6 912S
315 hrs
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| Subject: | Duel; wast: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hey, no prob! I've sold my trailer, but until the new buyer picks
it up I can loan it to you so you can make it to the duel ... :)
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Duel; wast: Engine choice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Ha ha, very funny. I sense a rivalry brewing. ;-)
Wait; let me pull out my dueling glove.... there it is... SLAP, SLAP!
You've chosen your weapon sir; name the time, I'll choose the location.
Kind Regards,
Cliff
our Kitfox 5 with a yucky 0-235 will whup your brand spankin new, REAL
engined kitfox, anyday ;-)
>
>
> Yuck! Why an O-235? you could get a real engine for almost that
> price (IO-240B for instance). Then you'd have a "real"
> airplane. :)
>
> Knowing Ron, he's probably interested in a C-85, because he's
> figured out how to get one for almost free ... Which makes his
> $$/hp. ratio really good. - My guess that is.
>
> Jeff Hays
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:25:29 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> Ron,
> I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may not be
> what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not a
lot
> of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
> Cliff
> >
> > Hello Listers,
> >
> > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm considering
a
> > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
Kitfox?
> >
> > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
While on the subject of cockpit adjustable props, does anyone in the group have
experience with the Ivo CAP, particularly with the add-on electronic unit which
makes it a constant-speed prop?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Hello Clem
I have the IVO CAP on my Lite2/582. I also have the C Box at a 3:1 reduction
ratio so this caused a lot of problems due to harmonic vibration with my
initial UL 3 blade IVO set up. I ended up changing to the "Medium" 2 blade
configuration and this solved all of my initial problems (High lead screw
wear due to vibration).
I love the prop now as it gives great take off performance and better top
speed
I don't have the constant speed governor so I unfortunately can't be of much
help to you on this subject
Gary
Gary Algate
President
SDS Digger Tools Canada Inc
Ph. +1 (705) 670-8459
Fax +1 (705) 670-9591
Cell +1 (705) 688-2236
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clem Nichols
Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
While on the subject of cockpit adjustable props, does anyone in the group
have experience with the Ivo CAP, particularly with the add-on electronic
unit which makes it a constant-speed prop?
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Yeah, I thought you would be chicken. Going to Oshkosh this year? I'll give
a chance to save face and accept the challenge ;-)
Cliff
>
>
> Hey, no prob! I've sold my trailer, but until the new buyer picks
> it up I can loan it to you so you can make it to the duel ... :)
>
> Jeff
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:51:19 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Duel; wast: Engine choice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Ha ha, very funny. I sense a rivalry brewing. ;-)
> Wait; let me pull out my dueling glove.... there it is... SLAP, SLAP!
> You've chosen your weapon sir; name the time, I'll choose the location.
> Kind Regards,
> Cliff
> our Kitfox 5 with a yucky 0-235 will whup your brand spankin new, REAL
> engined kitfox, anyday ;-)
>
> >
> >
> > Yuck! Why an O-235? you could get a real engine for almost that
> > price (IO-240B for instance). Then you'd have a "real"
> > airplane. :)
> >
> > Knowing Ron, he's probably interested in a C-85, because he's
> > figured out how to get one for almost free ... Which makes his
> > $$/hp. ratio really good. - My guess that is.
> >
> > Jeff Hays
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:25:29 -0700
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> >
> > Ron,
> > I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may not
be
> > what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not a
> lot
> > of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
> > Cliff
> > >
> > > Hello Listers,
> > >
> > > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm
considering
> a
> > > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
> Kitfox?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi Cliff -
I live 3 hr.s drive from Oshkosh, so the answer is - Yes. Whether I
take my plane or not is another story. But if you come, Waukegan is
1 hr. by air from Oshkosh, so we can definetly get together.
By the way, my mom lives in Boulder, and I learned to fly at Jeffco,
so the possibility is quite real that I'll be out there at some
point in the future for the "duel".
By the way how do you launch your plane? Do you tow it up to the top
of Flagstaff, and then roll downhill until sufficient speed for
takeoff ...? :)
Take Care,
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Duel; wast: Engine choice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Yeah, I thought you would be chicken. Going to Oshkosh this year? I'll give
a chance to save face and accept the challenge ;-)
Cliff
>
>
> Hey, no prob! I've sold my trailer, but until the new buyer picks
> it up I can loan it to you so you can make it to the duel ... :)
>
> Jeff
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:51:19 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Duel; wast: Engine choice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Ha ha, very funny. I sense a rivalry brewing. ;-)
> Wait; let me pull out my dueling glove.... there it is... SLAP, SLAP!
> You've chosen your weapon sir; name the time, I'll choose the location.
> Kind Regards,
> Cliff
> our Kitfox 5 with a yucky 0-235 will whup your brand spankin new, REAL
> engined kitfox, anyday ;-)
>
> >
> >
> > Yuck! Why an O-235? you could get a real engine for almost that
> > price (IO-240B for instance). Then you'd have a "real"
> > airplane. :)
> >
> > Knowing Ron, he's probably interested in a C-85, because he's
> > figured out how to get one for almost free ... Which makes his
> > $$/hp. ratio really good. - My guess that is.
> >
> > Jeff Hays
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:25:29 -0700
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> >
> > Ron,
> > I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may not
be
> > what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not a
> lot
> > of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
> > Cliff
> > >
> > > Hello Listers,
> > >
> > > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm
considering
> a
> > > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
> Kitfox?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Subject Changes and Do Not Archive |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Hey Fellows
How about we all start changing subject lines when the msgs
no longer relate to the original subject. Also recall that
personal exchanges should be marked DO NOT ARCHIVE. Sure
makes looking up material in the archives a hell of a lot
easier. Anyway that's the way I see it. DO NOT ARCHIVE. IMHO
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Duel; wast: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Jeff,
I thought you were selling the trailer, how will you get here?
Yes, towing mine up to Flagstaff will work, but yours is so heavy that I
doubt there's truck around here big enough to tow it!
You learned to fly at Boulder? Interesting; I guess that explains the 4
chickenhawks (C-172's) at the bottom of the lake on short final :-o
Best Regards,
Cliff
>
>
> Hi Cliff -
>
> I live 3 hr.s drive from Oshkosh, so the answer is - Yes. Whether I
> take my plane or not is another story. But if you come, Waukegan is
> 1 hr. by air from Oshkosh, so we can definetly get together.
>
> By the way, my mom lives in Boulder, and I learned to fly at Jeffco,
> so the possibility is quite real that I'll be out there at some
> point in the future for the "duel".
>
> By the way how do you launch your plane? Do you tow it up to the top
> of Flagstaff, and then roll downhill until sufficient speed for
> takeoff ...? :)
>
> Take Care,
> Jeff
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:34:05 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Duel; wast: Engine choice
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Yeah, I thought you would be chicken. Going to Oshkosh this year? I'll
give
> a chance to save face and accept the challenge ;-)
> Cliff
>
> >
> >
> > Hey, no prob! I've sold my trailer, but until the new buyer picks
> > it up I can loan it to you so you can make it to the duel ... :)
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:51:19 -0700
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Duel; wast: Engine choice
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> > Ha ha, very funny. I sense a rivalry brewing. ;-)
> > Wait; let me pull out my dueling glove.... there it is... SLAP, SLAP!
> > You've chosen your weapon sir; name the time, I'll choose the location.
> > Kind Regards,
> > Cliff
> > our Kitfox 5 with a yucky 0-235 will whup your brand spankin new, REAL
> > engined kitfox, anyday ;-)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yuck! Why an O-235? you could get a real engine for almost that
> > > price (IO-240B for instance). Then you'd have a "real"
> > > airplane. :)
> > >
> > > Knowing Ron, he's probably interested in a C-85, because he's
> > > figured out how to get one for almost free ... Which makes his
> > > $$/hp. ratio really good. - My guess that is.
> > >
> > > Jeff Hays
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Clifford Begnaud shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:25:29 -0700
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > > <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > > I've never heard of one with the C85. I suspect the performance may
not
> be
> > > what you would expect in a Kitfox. You'll have a heavy engine but not
a
> > lot
> > > of power. Why not sell it or trade it for an 0-235?
> > > Cliff
> > > >
> > > > Hello Listers,
> > > >
> > > > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm
> considering
> > a
> > > > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
> > Kitfox?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Duel; was: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Jeff,
For Oshkosh, it would be fun to do a fly-out somewhere. My guess is that
quite a few fellow kitfoxers will be interested in tagging along to see the
fireworks. I'll gladly grant home field advantage to you....
My wife and I would love for you come visit us at our new home in the Erie
Airpark. Also, there are a bunch of Kitfoxes here along the front range, so
if you make it this way in your plane, give us some notice and we'll put
together a gathering of Foxes.
Best,
Cliff
yucky 0-235 ;-(
do not archive
>
> Jeff,
> I thought you were selling the trailer, how will you get here?
>
> Yes, towing mine up to Flagstaff will work, but yours is so heavy that I
> doubt there's truck around here big enough to tow it!
> You learned to fly at Boulder? Interesting; I guess that explains the 4
> chickenhawks (C-172's) at the bottom of the lake on short final :-o
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Cliff -
> >
> > I live 3 hr.s drive from Oshkosh, so the answer is - Yes. Whether I
> > take my plane or not is another story. But if you come, Waukegan is
> > 1 hr. by air from Oshkosh, so we can definetly get together.
> >
> > By the way, my mom lives in Boulder, and I learned to fly at Jeffco,
> > so the possibility is quite real that I'll be out there at some
> > point in the future for the "duel".
> >
> > By the way how do you launch your plane? Do you tow it up to the top
> > of Flagstaff, and then roll downhill until sufficient speed for
> > takeoff ...? :)
> >
> > Take Care,
> > Jeff
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Moody" <moodyj@melbpc.org.au>
Alberto
I have a Series 5/ 912S/ CAP140 with about 130 hours on it now - the prop
has worked great and makes a big difference in performance. However the prop
gauge has not worked after about 20 hours. I have replaced the circuit board
in the hub once. While the gauge is not necessary for flight it certainly is
convenient. Factory support to fix the gauge problem has been non-existant.
Two friends with Glastars have the same problem - Cap works great but gauge
doesn't.
cheers
John Moody
Melbourne, Australia
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you John, Bruce, Dave, Larry and Lowell for your answers. I have now a
pretty good idea of how I can measure the toe in / toe out of my plane. Not
that I really need to, the plane behaves like a charm. But, since I didn't
built the plane myself, I didn't go through that procedure before and it's nice
to know how to do it.
The time I spend in the hangar is precious to me. I'd like to know everything
there is to know about my plane.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Landing on Roads - Quick Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Our family has property in Northern Michigan, with a nice flat
long road in front, with no power lines, no houses nearby, and
not much traffic. Decided to check to see if it was legal to
land on the road. So I checked the law in Michigan, and quite
clearly it states, that it is not a lawfull thing to do unless
in an emergency.
I'm curious if any of you know if it is legal in your state, and if
so what state is that? Also do you have the link to the pertinent
info.
Here's the Michigan code:
http://documents.michiganlegislature.org/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-327-of-19
45.pdf
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Landing on Roads - Quick Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Our law in Montana states that you can land on any road as long as you are
not impeding traffic too much.
Lots of people use highways and county roads.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jeff.hays@aselia.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on Roads - Quick Survey
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Our family has property in Northern Michigan, with a nice flat
long road in front, with no power lines, no houses nearby, and
not much traffic. Decided to check to see if it was legal to
land on the road. So I checked the law in Michigan, and quite
clearly it states, that it is not a lawfull thing to do unless
in an emergency.
I'm curious if any of you know if it is legal in your state, and if
so what state is that? Also do you have the link to the pertinent
info.
Here's the Michigan code:
http://documents.michiganlegislature.org/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-327-of-19
45.pdf
Jeff Hays
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I've got 250 trouble free hours on mine. Great prop. Great support.
Darrel
> CAP 140
> Any comments about this prop
> maintenance performance
> problems etc.
>
> Alberto Barba
> Guadalajara MEX.
> Serie 6 912S
> 315 hrs
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Alberto
I have 250 hours on a CAP-140. Works great. Never touched it. (hmm...maybe
it's about time I did)
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alberto
Barba
Subject: Kitfox-List: CAP-140
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Alberto Barba" <ambarba@infosel.net.mx>
CAP 140
Any comments about this prop
maintenance performance
problems etc.
Alberto Barba
Guadalajara MEX.
Serie 6 912S
315 hrs
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| Subject: | Landing on Roads |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
I'm curious if any of you know if it is legal in your state, and if
so what state is that? Also do you have the link to the pertinent
info.
Jeff,
Not only is it LEGAL to land on roads & highways in Alaska, but it's
quite acceptable behavior.
I have a couple of flying buddies (Piper fans) that live in cabins about
75 mile "out the road".
The road is the only decent place way out there on the tundra (river
gravel beds are OK, too.) to put down a plane without banging it up.
Gotta be a little careful though, Kitfoxes have kinda low wing spars
which road marker posts (metal ones!! )
just tear the heck out of. My buddies pull them from their "landing
strips" during the summer. The snow almost covers
them over in the winter. (no snowplowing after October)
Locals are always wary of "incoming". I usually buzz low along the road
to check it out and get the attention of anybody on the road
that "Here I Come!"
Scott in Nome
PS. My new skis are working well and are a lot of fun
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| Subject: | Off Airport Landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Seeing as how Jeff was so interested, this site is pretty interesting
and informative. Check it out:
http://www.alaska.faa.gov/faifsdo/safoffairport.htm
Scott
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net
grove has shims just for that purpose. It is also very easy to make
yur own.
---- Original Message ----
From: Lmar@direcway.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Toe In
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Larry <Lmar@direcway.com>
>
>The way that I measured the angle is as follows. I strung a line
>from the center of the tail wheel spring bolt to the center of the
>firewall and carried it forward a long way. I then used a board
>clamped to the outer side of the wheel. I then measured the distance
>from the centerline to the board 3' aft of the tire, and again 3'
>forward of the tire. That measurement differed by "x", with the
>forward measurement narrower. I am from the school of a bit of out
>is better. I had 2 degrees of toe in - definitely not good. (good
>thing that I have never landed on pavement) I used a washer to
>adjust my wheel temporarily, but I'm going to send the gear to Grove
>to get repaired.
>Hope this helps,
>Larry
>
>
>=====
>=====
>=====
>=====
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on Roads - Quick Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> I'm curious if any of you know if it is legal in your state, and if
> so what state is that? Also do you have the link to the pertinent
> info.
Jeff, here's the Oregon law.
837.090 Landings on public highways and grounds prohibited. Except in an
emergency, no person shall land aircraft on highways or public parks or
other public grounds without permission from the authorities in charge
thereof. [Formerly 493.180]
Oregon Department of Aviation link http://www.aviation.state.or.us/ click on
"Aviation Laws".
I know pilots land on roads in the more remote areas of Oregon quite often
and I doubt that they have permission. There is just no one around to see
or care.
Tom Jones, La Pine, OR
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Jeff, the captain of the ship can define his own "emergency" at any time
=46rom my code:
Our family has property in Northern Michigan, with a nice flat
long road in front, with no power lines, no houses nearby, and
not much traffic. Decided to check to see if it was legal to
land on the road. So I checked the law in Michigan, and quite
clearly it states, that it is not a lawfull thing to do unless
in an emergency.
I'm curious if any of you know if it is legal in your state, and if
so what state is that? Also do you have the link to the pertinent
info.
Here's the Michigan code:
http://documents.michiganlegislature.org/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-327-of-19
45.pdf
Jeff Hays
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi all,
I am getting ready for sign-off on my KF5 with the NSI CAP140 and
my gauge will power up but will not display the degrees of angle from the
prop. It just indicates 52 degrees constantly........is that the normal failure
mode of
the display? I've already replaced the chips on the hub board.
Jeff Smathers Molalla, Ore. N456JT
John Moody wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Moody" <moodyj@melbpc.org.au>
>
> Alberto
>
> I have a Series 5/ 912S/ CAP140 with about 130 hours on it now - the prop
> has worked great and makes a big difference in performance. However the prop
> gauge has not worked after about 20 hours. I have replaced the circuit board
> in the hub once. While the gauge is not necessary for flight it certainly is
> convenient. Factory support to fix the gauge problem has been non-existant.
>
> Two friends with Glastars have the same problem - Cap works great but gauge
> doesn't.
>
> cheers
>
> John Moody
> Melbourne, Australia
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gene m. calkins" <calkinsgm@charter.net>
Jeff You are not the only one with this problem, mine has not worked for
over 100 hrs. I talked with Lance this afternoon and that gauge is not on
his priority list. Just cover it and get your inspection as the prop will
work just fine with out it. If you call Lance he will try to sell you the
board on the back of the hub for $167.00 and it will not fix it. If you
would more information on your prop call me at 608-754-2774... Gene N99GC
NSI SHO CAP140
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Smathers" <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CAP-140
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am getting ready for sign-off on my KF5 with the NSI CAP140 and
> my gauge will power up but will not display the degrees of angle from the
> prop. It just indicates 52 degrees constantly........is that the normal
failure
> mode of
> the display? I've already replaced the chips on the hub board.
>
> Jeff Smathers Molalla, Ore. N456JT
>
>
> John Moody wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Moody" <moodyj@melbpc.org.au>
> >
> > Alberto
> >
> > I have a Series 5/ 912S/ CAP140 with about 130 hours on it now - the
prop
> > has worked great and makes a big difference in performance. However the
prop
> > gauge has not worked after about 20 hours. I have replaced the circuit
board
> > in the hub once. While the gauge is not necessary for flight it
certainly is
> > convenient. Factory support to fix the gauge problem has been
non-existant.
> >
> > Two friends with Glastars have the same problem - Cap works great but
gauge
> > doesn't.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > John Moody
> > Melbourne, Australia
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Moody" <moodyj@melbpc.org.au>
Jeff
My CAP140 gauge is stuck at "beta 26" which is the max reverse position
irrespective of prop position. We are working with a local electronics guy
to try come up with a fix - one of the Glastar guys has replaced the pot
which engages the prop drive screw and I believe this is working. I've
emailed him for an update.
Lance should either recall these units or offer a refund.
One theory about the problem appears to be this pot - the internal contacts
are fine wires on the outside of the spiral resistor coil - when the prop
rotates centrifigal force lifts these contacts off the coil losing
calibration - my experience was consistent with this theory - initially the
gauge worked OK, then only with the engine at idle, then not all.
John Moody
Melbourne, Australia
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Thanks John.
Mine is stuck at 52 degrees. I have checked and replaced the components
(voltage to frequency chip and the precision reference diode) and I have
also checked the pot resistance. The wiper on the pot lifting is an
interesting
effect I have not considered however... I wouldn't think that at that radial
position there is enough "g" force to pull the wiper away? hmmmmmmm.
lets see lets round 3000 RPM @ .50" radius. nuts! I can't find my physics
cheat sheet..........anyone?
Thanks again, Jeff Smathers
John Moody wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Moody" <moodyj@melbpc.org.au>
>
> Jeff
>
> My CAP140 gauge is stuck at "beta 26" which is the max reverse position
> irrespective of prop position. We are working with a local electronics guy
> to try come up with a fix - one of the Glastar guys has replaced the pot
> which engages the prop drive screw and I believe this is working. I've
> emailed him for an update.
>
> Lance should either recall these units or offer a refund.
>
> One theory about the problem appears to be this pot - the internal contacts
> are fine wires on the outside of the spiral resistor coil - when the prop
> rotates centrifigal force lifts these contacts off the coil losing
> calibration - my experience was consistent with this theory - initially the
> gauge worked OK, then only with the engine at idle, then not all.
>
> John Moody
> Melbourne, Australia
>
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