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1. 02:08 AM - Re: VA Landing on Roads (broschart)
2. 07:55 AM - Loctite question (Jay Fabian)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Tri-gear mod? (Floran Higgins)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Engine choice (Lowell Fitt)
5. 12:32 PM - Engine Help? (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
6. 01:42 PM - Re: Engine choice (Ron)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: Avionics (Kitfox)
8. 05:25 PM - fire wall (DeWayne Clifford)
9. 05:38 PM - Re: Tri-gear mod? (Dcecil3@aol.com)
10. 05:40 PM - Re: fire wall (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 06:57 PM - Re: HKS engine (Matt Keyes)
12. 09:25 PM - Re: Engine Help? (John E. King)
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| Subject: | Re: VA Landing on Roads |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
did your insurance cover those charges
Have a good day - Charlie
jareds wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> I too had an engine out just outside of DC in VA a while ago at
> night and had to land on the highway. About every agency that has
> lights on top showed up to see, including the news. Perfect landing and
> there was nothing to see except a "Do Not Enter" sign embedded in the
> wing! FAA made me do the standard check ride and the tow truck made me
> pay for him pulling me 5 miles to the nearest airport but VA was just
> amused!
>
> Vicki L. Tippett wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vicki L. Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
> >
> > Jeff
> > I live in Virginia and have been landing on our neighbors driveway with
> >my Kitfox and also my J 3 Cub for over 14 years .The driveway is private and
> >this is the important part .It also serves 10 others homes as my friend
> >gave them an easement through his property to build their river front homes
> > Now their driveway is right off a paved state road and occasionally I will
> >get the curious passerby to stop . I have even had a sheriff stop by
> >several times just to look and he was amused by our little homebuilt .
> > Recently a neighbor just 5 miles away was able to license his driveway
> >with the county as a private airstrip and just last year paved his
> >airstrip/driveway ! This is an option , but as asking the state is it "
> >legal to land on a road " liability now adays ? , just remember the words "
> >precautionary landing "
> > I did have an engine out and landed on a 4 lane highway several years ago
> > He stayed there with me as I got the problem fixed and stopped traffic so I
> >could take back off ! He did tell me though that his supervisor would
> >probably not okay this and so he just would not ask and if something else
> >were to happen during the takeoff that he would take the " I did not tell
> >him it was OKAY "
> >
> > Boy do I Love the " Alaska Approach " I just wish that it wasn't SO COLD
> >( -;
> >
> >Chuck
> >KF II 582 Floats
> >KF IV 912
> >
> >-------Original Message-------
> >
> >From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:40:28 PM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on Roads - Quick Survey
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia
> >com>
> >
> >
> >Our family has property in Northern Michigan, with a nice flat
> >long road in front, with no power lines, no houses nearby, and
> >not much traffic. Decided to check to see if it was legal to
> >land on the road. So I checked the law in Michigan, and quite
> >clearly it states, that it is not a lawfull thing to do unless
> >in an emergency.
> >
> >I'm curious if any of you know if it is legal in your state, and if
> >so what state is that? Also do you have the link to the pertinent
> >info.
> >
> >Here's the Michigan code:
> >
> >http://documents.michiganlegislature.org/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-327-of-19
> >45.pdf
> >
> >Jeff Hays
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Loctite question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi All,
I found a good source for alot of Loctite products. www.wttool.com
What was the # loctite that someone was looking for to fix the coolant leaks on
the 912 fittings?
Jay Fabian
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear mod? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
Tricycle gear airplanes are more susceptible to damage during off airport
operations.
It doesn't take much of a rock or gopher hole to overstress the attachment
point where the nose wheel attaches to the frame.
Also the prop tips are much closer to the ground. On take off roll when you
are at high rpm and slow ground speed, the prop tips will create a vortex
and pick up small rocks and suck them into the prop arc. This can cause
considerable damage to the prop.
There are reasons that people that operate routinely off airport fly
taildraggers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Laker" <desertfoxlead@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tri-gear mod?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Laker"
<desertfoxlead@hotmail.com>
>
> First of all. Yes you can convert a model 3 or 4 to tri gear. Murle
> Williams
> just completed one for a Desert Fox member. I can post details if you
are
> interested.
> This morning 4 foxes from the Desert Fox Squadron left headquarters in
rainy
> windy weather for Quartzite, the worlds largest swap meet. After about
60
> miles
> of "terrain following" we arrived to find the dirt strip surrounded by
RV's
> and a
> stiff direct cross wind. After a choppy approach we landed without
> incident.
> Now any competent tailwheel pilot could have done the same, but with the 3
> Vixens and the trigear IV it was easy! Stan Foster has 700 hours in his
> tail dragger
> model 4, including Alaska and much back country, but his new plane is
> trigear
> because "it's just a lot easier to land and I can stop shorter". Steve
> Kellander
> has hundreds of hours in Cubs and 1200 hours in a model 3, his new plane
is
> a model 4 trigear for the same reasons. I have no doubt a dragger pilot
> has
> the highest of skills, but boy the 1100 hours in my Vixen have been pretty
> stress
> free, and my reason for building and flying this plane is pure enjoyment.
>
> Phil Laker Desert Fox Squadron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Ron,
It is interesting that you compare the Whitman Tailwind with the Series 5.
My suggestion is that to get 115 cruise, you concentrate on every bit of
fairing that you can possibly do. The tailwind is a very clean airplane
whereas the 5 as delivered is not so clean. With just a tad more HP than a
R-912, my guess is that you will cruise in more the 90 mph range. I fly
with a group of 912 UL powered Model IVs, some not so clean and one
weighing in at 605 lbs and the general cruise is in the mid 90s. My
airplane is very clean and I can get 115, but it is at maximum cruise RPM
5500.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Milt,
>
> Jeff Hays hit it right on the head when he said that I would do it because
> the price was great. It will cost me $6000 to install a zero time C-85
> with electrical system. A C-85 in a Wittman Tailwind will cruise it at
> 145mph. Its empty wt. is the same as the Series 5. My climb rate will be
> down to about 600fpm but my cruise should be about 115. The higher hp
> engines will show their hp mostly in climb performance. I'll still be a
lot
> better than a Cessna 140...I'll be happy. I hear that the cost of a new
> 912s with firewall forward is over 17K now.......Retirement pension allows
> for the C-85 at about 1/3 that cost.
> Just got home from Oshkosh where they had the yearly ski plane/ chili
fest.
> 7 deg temp but no wind and blue skies made for a great day. Lots of neat
> planes on skis. No Kitfoxes, darn.....
>
> Ron N55KF
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Milt's Kitfox Stuff"
> <flysly@erols.com>
> >
> > Ron,
> > I would do some head scratching before I put a C-85 on a Series V and
> > carefully consider a 912 in light of the weight to power ratio. I'm
> putting
> > a Franklin A-235 on my Series V that offers 125 hp. Once I get it
flying
> > and put some time on it, I plan to upgrade to high compression pistons
> which
> > will yield 145 hp. At that power to weight ratio I should have a pretty
> > good capability for the cost... about $14-$15K.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Hello Listers,
> > >
> > > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm
considering
> a
> > > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
> Kitfox?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
Is there anyone in the DC,MD,VA, that would be willing to drive or fly down
to Freeway Airport located in Mitchellville MD, to help me adjust my carbs
and give my plane a good looks over? Help!
Ray N2BH
Model IV 1200 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Hey Lowell,
About all I had to say about the C-85 and performance stuff came to me 2nd
hand. I agree that it is optimistic but only time will tell. I do build
clean airplanes and that will help in the cruise department. It will be 2
years till it flies at best as now I am restoring a 1941 T-Craft from the
tubing on up...If I am able, down the road I would like to have a
Tailwind........
Stay well, -3 deg w/wind chill here in Chicago.. Ron N55KF
> Ron,
> It is interesting that you compare the Whitman Tailwind with the Series 5.
> My suggestion is that to get 115 cruise, you concentrate on every bit of
> fairing that you can possibly do. The tailwind is a very clean airplane
> whereas the 5 as delivered is not so clean. With just a tad more HP than
a
> R-912, my guess is that you will cruise in more the 90 mph range. I fly
> with a group of 912 UL powered Model IVs, some not so clean and one
> weighing in at 605 lbs and the general cruise is in the mid 90s. My
> airplane is very clean and I can get 115, but it is at maximum cruise RPM
> 5500.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
> >
> > Hi Milt,
> >
> > Jeff Hays hit it right on the head when he said that I would do it
because
> > the price was great. It will cost me $6000 to install a zero time
C-85
> > with electrical system. A C-85 in a Wittman Tailwind will cruise it at
> > 145mph. Its empty wt. is the same as the Series 5. My climb rate will
be
> > down to about 600fpm but my cruise should be about 115. The higher hp
> > engines will show their hp mostly in climb performance. I'll still be a
> lot
> > better than a Cessna 140...I'll be happy. I hear that the cost of a
new
> > 912s with firewall forward is over 17K now.......Retirement pension
allows
> > for the C-85 at about 1/3 that cost.
> > Just got home from Oshkosh where they had the yearly ski plane/ chili
> fest.
> > 7 deg temp but no wind and blue skies made for a great day. Lots of neat
> > planes on skis. No Kitfoxes, darn.....
> >
> > Ron N55KF
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Milt's Kitfox Stuff"
> > <flysly@erols.com>
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > > I would do some head scratching before I put a C-85 on a Series V and
> > > carefully consider a 912 in light of the weight to power ratio. I'm
> > putting
> > > a Franklin A-235 on my Series V that offers 125 hp. Once I get it
> flying
> > > and put some time on it, I plan to upgrade to high compression pistons
> > which
> > > will yield 145 hp. At that power to weight ratio I should have a
pretty
> > > good capability for the cost... about $14-$15K.
> > >
> > > Good Luck,
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choice
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hello Listers,
> > > >
> > > > I have a Model 5 which I will rebuild in the future and I'm
> considering
> > a
> > > > C-85 with starter and alternator. Has anyone heard of a C-85 in a
> > Kitfox?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ron N55KF
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
Randy,
Got a bit of a problem with the pictures, had my laptop stolen together with
the e-reader and the camera data lead and am unable to transfer the files.
For info what I've done is bought a RAM bracket which has two gimbal mounts,
it's designed to fit onto a tube so it's connected to one of the fuzz tubes
behind the panel. Originally I had a GPSIII in there, all I've done is
enlarged the hole and mounted the plate so the 196 mounts in its place.
There should be a picture of my original panel on sportflight.
Once I can get the pictures off I'll drop you a line.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avionics
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Chris,
> I am working on my panel and plan to use the Garmin GPSmap 196, (The
> "panel view" screen looks real useful.) I am curious what you mean by
> "semi-flush" in panel.
>
> Do you have a picture you could share on Sportflight?
>
> Randy - anxious to get to flying!
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kitfox
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avionics
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
>
>
> Only thing I'd say is the nice thing about separate units is if one goes
> wrong you send it off and get it fixed. If it's a combined unit and part
> of
> it fails you lose the whole shooting match.
> I run a garmin GTX-320A with an Ameri-King encoder, not had a problem in
> 2
> years. I've a Microair 760 radio (which is superb) but it does need some
> back room so careful how it's mounted, and a 196 semi flush in the panel
> in
> place of my GPSIII- I really like the 196, makes flying so much easier
> with
> it's database.. I'm just thinking of putting a mounting in for my iPAQ
> as
> that shows me the Aviation maps, OS maps and ground photo'swhich is
> particularly useful over here as you can have a look at an aerial photo
> before you turn up at a field you've not visited before.
>
> Chris
> MKII - UK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> To: "kitfox list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Avionics
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> >
> > My Model IV is presently equipped with only a hand-held Icom radio and
> a
> Model 315 Magellan GPS receiver. I'm intending to add a transponder and
> a
> panel mounted radio. I haven't decided on a Comm radio with a built-in
> GPS
> receiver or a basic radio plus something like a Garmin 196 unit, nor
> have I
> decided on a specific transponder and encoder. Do I purchase these new
> or
> take my chances on E-Bay purchasing yellow-tagged units? I'd appreciate
> any
> advice. Bear in mind that I'll probably have the units installed by a
> professional rather than undertaking the job myself.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@aalweb.net>
Did SKY STAR stop making aluminum fire walls or are all the kits still being sent
with them ?
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear mod? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Floran , I live in Va.at the last census we only had 1 Gopher. I think he's
in a Zoo(moved there after the last airplane took off and scared the hell outta
him) Tee Hee.As for the Rocks we have Red Clay here( good ole Tera Ruba) but
no rocks, infact if you find one most people will pay you for it.Tee Hee
again.I have 1,000 Ft. of thick green grass, all of which is, as we speak under
7"
of Snow! I agree with you that off airport flying does take a different kind
of machine but as for me,I'm leaveing the Cow pasture to the Cows(don't want
that green stuff on the bottom of my wings makes em stink
Best
David Cecil
KF950
Do not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/25/04 5:26:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kitfox@aalweb.net writes:
>
> Did SKY STAR stop making aluminum fire walls or are all the kits still
> being sent
> with them ?
>
>
>
Mine was stainless in 1995. I thought all were stainless??????
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Not sure what cowling mods would need to be done to fit the opposed cylinder HKS.
Good question. I don't think you would want to cut holes in the sides of
your cowling, though, as this would ruin the looks, not to mention create a big
drag issue in the slipstream of the prop. I would check the engine dementions
listed on the web sites I gave. For my pending Fisher Flying Products application
(830 lbs gross) it should fit nicely in the supplied cowling. As this
is a smaller plane than a Kitfox Classic IV, I would think it would also work
with the III's shorter cowling, however, I don't know if mods would need to be
made for airflow and engine cooling, such as with the air cooled Jabi 2200.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Help? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Ray,
I had talked to you earlier about flying to Freeway Airport. My only
concern was that Freeway is smack in the center of the Washington, DC
ADIZ. You were going to find out what the ADIZ approach procedure was
to enter Freeway. I am not sure about "Condition Yellow", but for
"Condition Orange" you had to first fly to another designated airport
(don't remember the airport name) for inspection prior to proceeding to
Freeway. Do Not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
KITFOXPILOT@att.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
>
>Is there anyone in the DC,MD,VA, that would be willing to drive or fly down
>to Freeway Airport located in Mitchellville MD, to help me adjust my carbs
>and give my plane a good looks over? Help!
>
>Ray N2BH
>Model IV 1200 912S
>
>
>
>
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