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1. 06:06 AM - Liquid pitch control WAS:Cross wind limits (michel)
2. 07:16 AM - Re: Old Wive's Tales (Vic Jacko)
3. 08:51 AM - Cooling 912S (Robert Oliver)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: Old Wive's Tales - wind vs turns (W Duke)
5. 09:49 AM - Alaska Trip Presentation ()
6. 10:06 AM - Re: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in (Steve M)
7. 10:15 AM - Re: Old Wive's Tales - wind vs turns (Vic Jacko)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: : Re:Cross wind limits (Michel Verheughe)
9. 10:58 AM - Stick movement WAS:Cross wind limits (Michel Verheughe)
10. 11:05 AM - "Blind" turn WAS: Old Wive's Tales (Michel Verheughe)
11. 12:50 PM - (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
12. 01:00 PM - Unusual Flight Planning Tool (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
13. 01:11 PM - Re: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in (Lowell Fitt)
14. 04:26 PM - Re: Stick movement (kurt schrader)
15. 04:35 PM - Current Update (JMCBEAN)
16. 05:30 PM - Re: Current Update (Arthur Nation)
17. 05:38 PM - Re: Current Update (Arthur Nation)
18. 06:13 PM - Re: Current Update (JMCBEAN)
19. 06:15 PM - Re: Current Update (Roger McConnell)
20. 06:25 PM - Re: Current Update (Don Pearsall)
21. 06:42 PM - Re: Current Update (JMCBEAN)
22. 06:47 PM - Re: Current Update (Roger McConnell)
23. 06:52 PM - Re: Current Update (JMCBEAN)
24. 09:38 PM - Reduction drive (out put module) ratio (Rick)
25. 11:28 PM - Re: Reduction drive (out put module) ratio (kurt schrader)
26. 11:40 PM - Re: Current Update (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Liquid pitch control WAS:Cross wind limits |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>Maybe a water jug in the baggage sack, that I can dump
>when not needed, would do.
When Bleriot crossed the Channel, he had an extra fuel tank in his tail. It's
simple: You take-off with a full tank, the plane pitches up. As the tank
empties, the plane pitches down and it's time for landing and re-fuelling.
That must be the ultimate KIS Automatic Fuel Management and Safety Auto Pilot
Device!
Cheers,
Michel
... just kidding, of course! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Old Wive's Tales |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
If you make this turn on two instruments, the airspeed and attitude
indicators, and holding a level turn, you and your airplane will not know
that you are making a 180 from a headwind to a tailwind!........
Period........(your airplane will never know unless you tell it)
Only if you take your eyes off the panel and look outside will you sense
the difference in groundspeed which will influence your decision to change
the bank or pitch.
IMHO,
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: <rex@awarenest.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Old Wive's Tales
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rex@awarenest.com>
>
> Back around 1980 (I believe) there was a controversy
> about sharp turns near the ground with windy conditions.
> If I can remember the senario, it was something like:
> If you make a steep 180 turn from a headwind condition
> to a tailwind condition your stall speed will be
> increased. Induced windshear? Inertial lag? I don't
> remember.
>
> There were convincing arguments for both sides and I
> never saw it resolved. The logic from areodynamics experts
> pitted against highly experienced crop dusters and bush
> pilots who swore it was fact. Anyone?
>
> Rex
> Do not achive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Oliver" <rocslo@Charter.net>
Guys: I have a 912S in which I recently changed the coolant and now seem to have
air in the system. For about the first 5 minutes of flight , my CHT goes up
to about 260 F then will drop rapidly back to about 210F then repeats itself
a couple times. After about 5 minutes, it drops to normal and is okay after
that. Lockwood seems to think it is air the system but did not have a good answer
on removing he air. My CHT normally runs about 200F. I have always been
curious about what the water temp actually is, but Lockwood said they did not
know and it was not important. Anybody else see the same problem and are their
any ideas on removing the air and have a handle on what the water temps run?
Robert Oliver
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| Subject: | Re: Old Wive's Tales - wind vs turns |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I am not a cropduster but have watched them my entire life. It looks like they
trade airspeed and inertia for altitude, make their turn, and then trade altitude
for airspeed. All the while with power, hopefully. If you assume a near
or below stall rudder turn at the apex, a pull out into the wind seems preferable
and one with the wind could make you a believer in wive's tales.
Maxwell
Bruce Harrington <aerowood@mcsi.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
Hi Rex,
I suspect the problem was with the cropduster pilot flying a course relative to
the ground, so he banked more sharply than appropriate. Also, the moving air
mass near the ground probably is not acting like one big air mass moving at one
speed. It's probably very shifty and variable with windy conditions near the
ground. So a higher IAS is needed to counteract sudden wind changes, and a stall
during turns.
At 3000 AGL, with steady wind, the airplane doesn't know the air is moving, but
path relative to the ground is very different from light wind conditions, as we
all know by now!
Cheers,
bh
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Back around 1980 (I believe) there was a controversy
> about sharp turns near the ground with windy conditions.
> If I can remember the senario, it was something like:
> If you make a steep 180 turn from a headwind condition
> to a tailwind condition your stall speed will be
> increased. Induced windshear? Inertial lag? I don't
> remember.
>
> There were convincing arguments for both sides and I
> never saw it resolved. The logic from areodynamics experts
> pitted against highly experienced crop dusters and bush
> pilots who swore it was fact. Anyone?
>
> Rex
> Do not achive
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Alaska Trip Presentation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
> As VP of the EAA chapter 1362 in the DC area we invited Chuck Tippit and John
King to give their presentation of their adventures to Alaska in the kitfoxes.
Let me just say, that from the email responses that i've gotten so far it was
by far one of the best presentations we have ever had.
Like others, I dreamed of adventures of Kitfoxes fighting off Grizzly's in the
bush campsites, Giant Mosquitos in barrel rolls with my fox, and nightmares of
Miquel holding up the last ply of toilet paper for a thousand miles.
Truly it was an inspiration to us all on one of the reasons why we build and fly.
I can't wait to see the DVD that they brought produced by Miguell.
>
> From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
> Date: 2004/02/04 Wed AM 09:09:54 CST
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Old Wive's Tales
>
>
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| Subject: | Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Lowell, I'm curious: Is the weather in Cameron Park, pretty much the same as
in Sacramento most of the time?
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
San Diego, CA
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:04:01 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>Inquiries are now coming in regarding the Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and
>thought I might mention it for those that might want to come this year.
>
>It will be held on Saturday, June 12th starting when every one gets here
>and lasting until the last one leaves. We will be out and about most
>likely at first light and early arrivals might be put to work.
>
>For details log onto http://cameronparkkitfox.com
>
>hope to se a bunch of you here.
>
>Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Old Wive's Tales - wind vs turns |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Hey guys, it is all in the mind. Your eyes tell your mind something does
not look right when you are near the ground and your hands and feet react.
If you don't believe this then climb to 10,000 feet AGL and make a bunch of
up-wind down-wind cross-wind turns with 25 MPH+ winds to your hearts
content and you will not "see" one iota difference in the ground speed and
all looks good. Do the same at 100 feet AGL on the same windy day and your
heart may sink a little until you realize you have to keep an eye on the
air speed indicator to tell you the truth because you eyes and mind will lie
to you. IMHO.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke" <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Old Wive's Tales - wind vs turns
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
> I am not a cropduster but have watched them my entire life. It looks
like they trade airspeed and inertia for altitude, make their turn, and then
trade altitude for airspeed. All the while with power, hopefully. If you
assume a near or below stall rudder turn at the apex, a pull out into the
wind seems preferable and one with the wind could make you a believer in
wive's tales.
>
> Maxwell
>
> Bruce Harrington <aerowood@mcsi.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
>
> Hi Rex,
>
> I suspect the problem was with the cropduster pilot flying a course
relative to
> the ground, so he banked more sharply than appropriate. Also, the moving
air
> mass near the ground probably is not acting like one big air mass moving
at one
> speed. It's probably very shifty and variable with windy conditions near
the
> ground. So a higher IAS is needed to counteract sudden wind changes, and a
stall
> during turns.
>
> At 3000 AGL, with steady wind, the airplane doesn't know the air is
moving, but
> path relative to the ground is very different from light wind conditions,
as we
> all know by now!
>
> Cheers,
> bh
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> > Back around 1980 (I believe) there was a controversy
> > about sharp turns near the ground with windy conditions.
> > If I can remember the senario, it was something like:
> > If you make a steep 180 turn from a headwind condition
> > to a tailwind condition your stall speed will be
> > increased. Induced windshear? Inertial lag? I don't
> > remember.
> >
> > There were convincing arguments for both sides and I
> > never saw it resolved. The logic from areodynamics experts
> > pitted against highly experienced crop dusters and bush
> > pilots who swore it was fact. Anyone?
> >
> > Rex
> > Do not achive
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : RE:Cross wind limits |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
Michel, what is "The Book" you are quoting?
I am quoting the Norwegian book for the JAR (a cousin of FAR ;-) compliant
European Private Pilot Licence (PPL-A). You see, I have a microlight license
but the text book is the same as the GA license. A plane is a plane, isn't it?
Thank you for sending me directly the extract of the FAR rules that says that
any plane shall not require a crosswind component less than 0.2 Vso. Somehow,
in the Norwegian translation of the JAR, it reads: If no manufacturer's data is
given, one shall use 0.2 Vso.
Now, I appreciate that, flying a homebuilt, I am the "manufacturer" and can
give what I consider being what my plane can handle. But, as Kurt points out, I
am in no mood to do a destruction test to see the crosswind limit my plane will
tolerate! :-)
Keep also in mind that, even if the theory test is the same as the GA guys,
Norwegian microlights are not certified nor controlled by the Norwegian
Aviation Authorities. It is considered as a sport and comes under the Norwegian
Sport Association and the Norwegian Aero Club. What does that mean in legal
terms? I don't know, and I hope I will never have to find out.
But, since I am the "manufacturer" and I am suppose to "test the plane" and
keep the data, I'll copy Skystar's guestimate of 15 knots and add it to my
Kitfox User's Manual. Not a big deal but the book says that everything must be
written down because someone else might fly my plane one day, and wonder what
are the specs.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Stick movement WAS:Cross wind limits |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Has anyone encountered a real problem with this? Any
> solutions tried?
Kurt, I made a kind of "check-list" board that I give my passenger on the first
time. It reads, among other things, that on take-off and landing, large
movement of the stick may occur and that he/she should stay clear of it.
At run-up, I always move my controls to the maximum, so that the passenger can
feel how far it may extend.
But when flying, I never need to come any near such stick movement. Should it
happen, one day, say in a strong cross-wind, I am pretty sure that my strong
panicking right hand will maybe bruise some flesh but get all the way to
correct the attitude. :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | "Blind" turn WAS: Old Wive's Tales |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Vic Jacko wrote:
> Only if you take your eyes off the panel and look outside will you sense
> the difference in groundspeed which will influence your decision to change
> the bank or pitch.
Quite true, Vic. Although I am quite accustomed to crab a boat in a strong
current, flying a pattern in a strong wind got me quite confused the first
time. Especially turning crosswind to downwind. Visual reference was too
confusing and without a turn coordinator, I really need to look outside to know
my banking angle.
But, becoming a pilot is learning from experience and I guess, with time, I'll
get the hang of it.
Cheers,
Michel
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PRIORITY_NO_NAME
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/Great_Lakes/5_Lake_Composite/West_Composite/c
urrent.jpg
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| Subject: | Unusual Flight Planning Tool |
PRIORITY_NO_NAME
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Living next door to Lake Michigan, flight planning involves getting
around the lake. I'm not brave enough to go straight over it, especially
in the winter. My hangar neighbor goes straight across 60 miles of open
water in his 182 every couple weeks in the summer. Said he times it for
when the Ferry will be at midpoint across the lake, and he know's the
ferry's route. This way he has an emergency splashdown point pre-calculated.
I fly quite a bit over water around the Chicago/Gary Indiana loop in the
summer, but aim from flock of sailboats to flock sailboats just in case
I need to get rescued. I also carry life preserver's as a standard part
of my gear in the plane as well.
I started looking at Ice cover a while back, and came across the following
chart on the NOAA website.
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/Great_Lakes/5_Lake_Composite/West_Composite/c
urrent.jpg
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve,
We are at about 1500 feet and usually don't have the winter valley fog that
Sacramento has. Also we are not as windy as Sacramento on the summer as the
marine influence does not affect the foothills as much and we are probably
about 5 degrees cooler in the Summer.
This winter has been an exception fog wise as we have had a few week-long
periods where the visibility due to low clouds - fog - precluded any thought
of flying. Typically if there is no front passing through, we can fly.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
> Lowell, I'm curious: Is the weather in Cameron Park, pretty much the same
as
> in Sacramento most of the time?
>
> Steve Maher
> Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
> San Diego, CA
>
>
> >From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in
> >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:04:01 -0800
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> >Inquiries are now coming in regarding the Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and
> >thought I might mention it for those that might want to come this year.
> >
> >It will be held on Saturday, June 12th starting when every one gets here
> >and lasting until the last one leaves. We will be out and about most
> >likely at first light and early arrivals might be put to work.
> >
> >For details log onto http://cameronparkkitfox.com
> >
> >hope to se a bunch of you here.
> >
> >Lowell
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Do not archive.
A friend of mine was talking about an F-16 crash a
while back. It was a 2 seater and the local #1 pilot
was taking the doctor up for a ride. Seems that the
doctor kept hitting the side stick with his leg. When
the pilot yelled "Get off the controls" the doctor
thought he meant the rudders and pushed his legs even
higher and wider causing the plane to roll over into
the ground. The strange thing was that the pilot had
a switch where he could cut off the other stick and he
never switched it off.
Of course our sticks are not electric and tied
together so we can apply force to the other one too.
I just worry about if I'll need all the controls one
day.
Went to the local flying club meeting last night.
They were wondering how high you could bounce a tail
dragger before you went around. Some claimed of 20
foot high bounces... Now I don't feel so bad....
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > Has anyone encountered a real problem with this?
> Any
> > solutions tried?
>
> Kurt, I made a kind of "check-list" board that I
> give my passenger on the first
> time. It reads, among other things, that on take-off
> and landing, large
> movement of the stick may occur and that he/she
> should stay clear of it.
> At run-up, I always move my controls to the maximum,
> so that the passenger can
> feel how far it may extend.
> But when flying, I never need to come any near such
> stick movement. Should it
> happen, one day, say in a strong cross-wind, I am
> pretty sure that my strong
> panicking right hand will maybe bruise some flesh
> but get all the way to
> correct the attitude. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Good Afternoon Listers:
As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I wanted to share that as
of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar. The parting was on good
terms. I appreciate all the friendships that I have made both from being a
Demonstration Pilot, Sales and Technical Service for SkyStar and being
personally involved in the Kitfox family with my own build project. I am
still an active CFI and EAA Technical Couselor and will remain very involved
within the Kitfox community and if I can ever be of any help please dont
hesitate to ask.
May the wind always be on your tail, the sun overhead and the wings of
destiny take you aloft to dance in the sky
John McBean
N102YB
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| Subject: | Re: Current Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Wednesday 04 February 2004 16:34, JMCBEAN wrote:
Jim,
Does this mean tht SS is going down the toilet???
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Listers:
> As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I wanted to share that as
> of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar. The parting was on good
> terms. I appreciate all the friendships that I have made both from being a
> Demonstration Pilot, Sales and Technical Service for SkyStar and being
> personally involved in the Kitfox family with my own build project. I am
> still an active CFI and EAA Technical Couselor and will remain very
> involved within the Kitfox community and if I can ever be of any help
> please dont hesitate to ask.
>
> May the wind always be on your tail, the sun overhead and the wings of
> destiny take you aloft to dance in the sky
>
> John McBean
> N102YB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Current Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
How about 'John". Sorry, John
Arthur
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On Wednesday 04 February 2004 16:34, JMCBEAN wrote:
Jim,
Does this mean tht SS is going down the toilet???
do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Listers:
> As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I wanted to share that as
> of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar. The parting was on good
> terms. I appreciate all the friendships that I have made both from being a
> Demonstration Pilot, Sales and Technical Service for SkyStar and being
> personally involved in the Kitfox family with my own build project. I am
> still an active CFI and EAA Technical Couselor and will remain very
> involved within the Kitfox community and if I can ever be of any help
> please dont hesitate to ask.
>
> May the wind always be on your tail, the sun overhead and the wings of
> destiny take you aloft to dance in the sky
>
> John McBean
> N102YB
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Arthur,
I've been called worse :)... I doesn't mean anything other then I am no
longer with the company. It had nothing to do with the viability of SS.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Nation
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Current Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Wednesday 04 February 2004 16:34, JMCBEAN wrote:
Jim,
Does this mean tht SS is going down the toilet???
do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Listers:
> As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I wanted to share that as
> of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar. The parting was on good
> terms. I appreciate all the friendships that I have made both from being
a
> Demonstration Pilot, Sales and Technical Service for SkyStar and being
> personally involved in the Kitfox family with my own build project. I am
> still an active CFI and EAA Technical Couselor and will remain very
> involved within the Kitfox community and if I can ever be of any help
> please dont hesitate to ask.
>
> May the wind always be on your tail, the sun overhead and the wings of
> destiny take you aloft to dance in the sky
>
> John McBean
> N102YB
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Jim,
Best of luck to you. Who will we need to contact at SS if we have at
technical question?
Roger Mac
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Listers:
> As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I wanted to share that as
> of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar. The parting was on good
> terms. I appreciate all the friendships that I have made both from being
a
> Demonstration Pilot, Sales and Technical Service for SkyStar and being
> personally involved in the Kitfox family with my own build project. I am
> still an active CFI and EAA Technical Couselor and will remain very
> involved within the Kitfox community and if I can ever be of any help
> please dont hesitate to ask.
>
> May the wind always be on your tail, the sun overhead and the wings of
> destiny take you aloft to dance in the sky
>
> John McBean
> N102YB
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hi John,
You know the saying, when one door closes, another one opens. I sure hope
you have a lot of open doors now and in the near future. I also hope that
you will remain an active member of this list as you have a lot of
experience to offer, not just as a Skystar rep.
Can you give us any news as to what is happening with Skystar??
Don Pearsall
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Whose this Jim ? I need to meet him :)
Just give the Tech line a call 208.454.1665 or send an email to
support@skystar.com
If you like.. give me a shout...
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Current Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Jim,
Best of luck to you. Who will we need to contact at SS if we have at
technical question?
Roger Mac
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Listers:
> As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I wanted to share that as
> of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar. The parting was on good
> terms. I appreciate all the friendships that I have made both from being
a
> Demonstration Pilot, Sales and Technical Service for SkyStar and being
> personally involved in the Kitfox family with my own build project. I am
> still an active CFI and EAA Technical Couselor and will remain very
> involved within the Kitfox community and if I can ever be of any help
> please dont hesitate to ask.
>
> May the wind always be on your tail, the sun overhead and the wings of
> destiny take you aloft to dance in the sky
>
> John McBean
> N102YB
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Sorry, John
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Current Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hi John,
You know the saying, when one door closes, another one opens. I sure hope
you have a lot of open doors now and in the near future. I also hope that
you will remain an active member of this list as you have a lot of
experience to offer, not just as a Skystar rep.
Can you give us any news as to what is happening with Skystar??
Don Pearsall
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Don,
Thanks ! I absolutely will be on the list... and will always assist when
I
can. Never know what the future holds.....
I know that SS currently has orders for production through.... I think
April. The sales seem to be on an upswing and the LSA, when it happens,
could be a relief.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Current Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hi John,
You know the saying, when one door closes, another one opens. I sure hope
you have a lot of open doors now and in the near future. I also hope that
you will remain an active member of this list as you have a lot of
experience to offer, not just as a Skystar rep.
Can you give us any news as to what is happening with Skystar??
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Reduction drive (out put module) ratio |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Still in the process of an engine overhaul but wanted to change the
reduction drive ratio. I presently have a 2.34:1 driven by the turbo EA-81
engine spinning what is called a 3 blade 72 in Warp drive prop. As I
remember the original engine was good for about 3800 or so RPMs at 26.5
degrees. This leaves me to believe the gears could be changed to make a more
useful range. A lower gear would allow more pitch in the prop and possible
faster cruise. I think it will give more flexibility to change power and
pitch settings than the current configuration. A 2.0:1 will turn the prop
2600RPMs at 5200 engine speed which sounds about right for best torque from
the engine and best tip speed for thrust. Now, how much pitch will I be able
to set at full power 5200RPMs remains to be seen. Does anyone know where the
prop makes the most thrust at a given tip speed? Is there a graph or chart.
I know some of you folks have this figured out already. Tom what did you end
up with?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Reduction drive (out put module) ratio |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
What is the actual HP output of your engine? I think
it is a little more than my 143 hp - something right
about 150 hp? Lance gave me a 2.23:1 ratio for mine.
If you have more hp, you could use a little lower
ratio based upon that, but I think the 2:1 might be
too low.
Then again, take a look at this site:
>http://www.bewersdorff.com/computational/prop.html<
Pluging some numbers in, your 2:1 ratio comes closer
to reaching the optimum tip speed, which it says
requires 3,000 rpm or more from the 72" prop around
our range of speeds and altitudes. We best not run
3,000 prop rpm without Lance's backing though. But I
do know that the accelleration picks up very noticably
when I take off at max rpm, rather than even a few 100
rpm lower.
Interesting? I was surprised at the results when I
first tried this. I bet the prop would be noisy.
Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John & Debra,
Soooo. Get your plane pictured in "Sport Aviation"
and you guys are too good for us? :-)
Well, I really hope you stick with us here because you
have always given solid advice and support - and
occasionally corrected some bad advice here abouts
too. Can't wait to hear which business is blessed
with your efforts next. I hope SS keeps the 10-2-Y-B
attitude you brought to them too.
Please keep us all up to date.
Kurt S.
--- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Listers:
> As we all know, news travels like a brush fire. I
> wanted to share that as
> of yesterday I am no longer employed by SkyStar.
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