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1. 04:03 AM - Re: EIS engine info system (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: Varnishing Ribs (Ronald K. Stevens)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Altimeter needed (Randy Daughenbaugh)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Varnishing Ribs (flier)
5. 07:05 AM - Re: Altimeter needed (Gary Algate)
6. 07:26 AM - Re: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement (Lowell Fitt)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: Altimeter needed - Get RMI Microencoder (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
9. 07:41 AM - Re: Removing PTT button from Model 2 stick? (Rex)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (Lowell Fitt)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (Fox5flyer)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
13. 08:52 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (JMCBEAN)
14. 09:03 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
15. 09:24 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (Lines, John)
16. 09:38 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (kurt schrader)
17. 10:28 AM - Re: Cruise Speeds (martin dovey)
18. 12:24 PM - Re: Removing PTT button from Model 2 stick? (Scott McClintock)
19. 01:17 PM - Re: Altimeter needed (dsherburn)
20. 02:04 PM - Re: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement (Lowell Fitt)
21. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200,was Rotax 582 Engine problems (Matt Keyes)
22. 02:11 PM - Re: Cruise Speeds (Lowell Fitt)
23. 02:49 PM - Classic IV (Victor Marsh)
24. 03:08 PM - Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (Grant Fluent)
25. 05:26 PM - "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement (Michael Gibbs)
26. 05:47 PM - Re: Captive PAX/ Stick movement (kurt schrader)
27. 06:11 PM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (Lowell Fitt)
28. 06:21 PM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (kurt schrader)
29. 06:26 PM - Re: NSI/CAP prop cruising (kurt schrader)
30. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: NSI/CAP prop cruising (Rick)
31. 07:38 PM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (Ceashman@aol.com)
32. 08:03 PM - Re: Sky Star (Dcecil3@aol.com)
33. 08:15 PM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (Grant Fluent)
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| Subject: | Re: EIS engine info system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/5/04 6:10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes:
> Hope it's a good as everyone says.
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 - 912S - this spring!!! (?)
> .
>
>
Randy,
You'll love it. Will probably be the best thing on the panel.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Ribs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
>Wanted to get your opinions on varnishing wing ribs and other wooden parts in
the wing. I have quick build wings.
>
>How many coats of varnish? and is it necessary to sand between coats?
>
>Thanks
>Jimmie
>
>
>
>
Use 2-3 coats of epoxy varnish - not the 'regular' kind as the MEK used
in the covering process will melt & remove 'normal' varnishes. It's not
really necessary to sand in between coats. Though, it's sometimes
necessary to lightly sand any high spots/bumps on the tops of the ribs
where it would come into contact with the fabric covering.
Without the varnish, your ribs will most certainly warp due to changes
in humidity.
Ron
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| Subject: | Altimeter needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Hey Jay,
Have you looked at the Garmin GPSmap 196. It's panel view screen has
Altimeter, VSI and other cute things. I kind of like steam gages for basic
info too, but I don't plan to put other VSI in.
Maybe you have been in on discussions on this already, but...
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Fabian
Subject: Kitfox-List: Altimeter needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi List,
I am starting to do my annual , and it just so happens that my altimeters
barometer does not work right now. The vent line is not clogged.
I wanted to know if anyone has an instrument that might include ALT, RATE
OF CLIMB, BARO, and maybe some more all in one, and what the cost would be?
Thanks
Jay Fabian
4-1200 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Ribs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Definately use epoxy varnish as Jimmie noted.
Before covering it's a good idea to scuff the tops of
the capstrips with some sandpaper to provide tooth
adhesion for the PolyTak or whatever adhesive process
you're using.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Varnishing Ribs
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K.
Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
>Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>>
>>Wanted to get your opinions on varnishing wing ribs
and other wooden parts in the wing. I have quick
build wings.
>>
>>How many coats of varnish? and is it necessary to
sand between coats?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jimmie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Use 2-3 coats of epoxy varnish - not the 'regular'
kind as the MEK used
>in the covering process will melt & remove 'normal'
varnishes. It's not
>really necessary to sand in between coats. Though,
it's sometimes
>necessary to lightly sand any high spots/bumps on
the tops of the ribs
>where it would come into contact with the fabric
covering.
>
>Without the varnish, your ribs will most certainly
warp due to changes
>in humidity.
>
>Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | Altimeter needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have the 196 and love it - the panel screen not only gives VSI etc it also
has a turn and Bank which is a welcome addition. The screen is big and it is
very user friendly
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey Jay,
Have you looked at the Garmin GPSmap 196. It's panel view screen has
Altimeter, VSI and other cute things. I kind of like steam gages for basic
info too, but I don't plan to put other VSI in.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Re: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Hey, Jeff, If you are putting the stresses on your stick that can be put on
your rudder/brake pedals, You need to check the friction in your slystem.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> I always worry that the Mig welded control column might be
> welded by the same welder as the rudder pedals, so I want
> the second stick in case the first breaks off ... :)
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: michel michel@online.no
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:43:20 +0100
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> >--- Dave & Wendy Grosvenor <dwg@iafrica.com> wrote:
> >I take it out when I'm flying alone or if I have a pax who
> >doesn't want to do any flying.
>
> While I understand you, Dave, I feel that, if I should become ill while
> flying
> (I am 56) my passenger should get a fair chance to crash ... not
> vertically.
> As a matter of fact, I always explain the rudiment of the stick and the
two
> red lines (Vso and Vne) to all my passengers, prior to take-off. They
> usually
> enjoy it, feeling less "captive."
> But I am a beginner and I'd like to hear old-timers' opinion on that one.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Ok - That does it. Out with the IO-240 and in with a new IO-540
add a little nitrous, and we'll see how fast my Kitfox can go!
All this talk about speed. Feel like I tuned into the Lancair
list by mistake ...
How about a little talk about getting in and out of muddy fields,
or various tundra tire options, etc. Stuff the plane was meant to
do.
Original Message:
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From: JMCBEAN JDMCBEAN@cableone.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Paul,
At the Sun-n-Fun Dash 100 the Series 6 (standard wing) was recorded
by the
officials at 119 kts (136.8 mph) Remember that most everyone has their
props pitched for climb or a compromise.... Very few will pitch or for that
matter prop for just the speed.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Sid:
But the Avid Speedwing has a sem-symmetrical airfoil that the Kitfox doesn't
have the luxury of, plus was only 24 feet long verses the Kitfox wing of
29'+. So while I agree the Speedwing Avid was a little hotrod, we're not
really comparing apples to apples.
My purpose in asking the question about whether or not the Kitfox IV
Speedster could really do 130-140 mph was to find out if anyone is actually
doing it with their airplane. Apparently there are some owners that are
doing numbers that are close, but I haven't heard of anyone actually
attaining the numbers claimed by the writers and the factory (yet).
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
>
> Paul, they get 120mph out of the Avid Speedwing with the 582 Rotax, sounds
> like the Kitfox should get 130 behind the 912......if real clean and
faired
> out.
> Sid
> --------------
>
> Does anyone know if the Model IV 912ul Speedster really could cruise at
130
> mph like they claimed it would?
>
> Previous questions about how to get more speed from our Kitfoxes made me
> think about this. I have articles where independent aviation writers
> claimed 125-140 mph speeds from the Speedster, verified by loran / gps.
And
> then there are other articles whereas the writers claimed to have verified
> 110+ out of the long winged 912ul Model IV. Is this all hipe, or is it
> really possible? Comments or opinions?
>
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Wisconsin
>
>
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| Subject: | Altimeter needed - Get RMI Microencoder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
http://www.rkymtn.com/rm00002.htm
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Randy Daughenbaugh rjdaugh@rapidnet.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Altimeter needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Hey Jay,
Have you looked at the Garmin GPSmap 196. It's panel view screen has
Altimeter, VSI and other cute things. I kind of like steam gages for basic
info too, but I don't plan to put other VSI in.
Maybe you have been in on discussions on this already, but...
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Fabian
Subject: Kitfox-List: Altimeter needed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi List,
I am starting to do my annual , and it just so happens that my altimeters
barometer does not work right now. The vent line is not clogged.
I wanted to know if anyone has an instrument that might include ALT, RATE
OF CLIMB, BARO, and maybe some more all in one, and what the cost would be?
Thanks
Jay Fabian
4-1200 912ul
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| Subject: | Removing PTT button from Model 2 stick? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex" <rex@awarenest.com>
Hi Steve,
It would depend of course on what adhesive was used to glue the grip. I have had
some sucess removing motorcycle grips by working a thin screwdriver blade between
the grip and handlebar. This is a mechanical means to break the bond. Perhaps
a special tool could be made that would have a thin flexible blade with
a handle. I have something similar which I think is a kitchen tool for spreading
icing or such. It is too wide for this idea, but one could be made narrow
and could work. If the glue is like motorcycle grip glue it can be nearly impossible
to remove a grip without destroying it. Perhaps sharpening the end of the
tool to cut the glue as you stab between the stick and grip. A little oil in
there should help too. (WD-40?) too keep to tool and grip sticking together
from friction.
Good luck, I hope this gives you an idea that will help.
Rex
Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise Speeds |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Paul, I opted for the Speedster elevator when I purchased my kit. I used
trim a lot while flying my C-170 and couldn't rationalize the flaperon trim
in my mind. The whole empennage fairing think came about because I got the
elevator with the tab cut out but didn't get the Full Speedster tail
option - I was then leg\ft to figure it out on my own.
The difference is speeds was determined by taking off with the trim tab in
neutral and trimming for level cruise with flaperons, then neutralizing the
flaperons and trimming with the trim tab.
As I recall, the Speedster came with a fully faired and closed gap rudder,
electric elevator trim. The wings shortened by one rib bay, lift strut
fairings, faired jury strut and horizontal stabilizer struts, radiator
shroud, smaller tires with wheel pants and a bit larger spinner.
There was one on our Idaho trip last year, but since we generally fly at
the speed of the slowest airplane, I can't speak as to its performance.
Early on when he flew with us until he got used to our protocol, we always
saw him disappear into the horizon in front of us and we would meet up at
the destination airport.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Hi Lowell:
>
> Thanks for the great info. But I'm curious, 5mph for flaperon trim? How
> did you do that?
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > Not Really, Most of the fairings were added during construction. As I
> > recall the hubcaps give about 2 mph and the trim tab - eliminating
> flaperon
> > trim - adds about 5
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > Lowell,
> > >
> > > Thats really impressive. There is hope for my model IV yet!
> > > Wing strut,spinner, and some covering on the landing gear is all i've
> > > put on so far with a 582.
> > > I'm only at 90-95. I'll try some of these.
> > > Did you test and evaulate which had the biggest effect?
> > >
> > > Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > >
> > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> > > >
> > > >Paul, I have a lot of drag reducing mods on my Model IV and it will
> > easily
> > > >cruise at 115 mph.
> > > >
> > > >The mods include Wing Strut fairings, jury strut and horizontal
> > stabilizer
> > > >strut fairings, internal wingtip nav lights, hubcaps, fully faired
> rudder
> > > >vertical stabilizer / rudder and horizontal stabilizer / elevator
gaps
> > and,
> > > >according to recent posts, benefit from a 9-1/2" spinner. I do pay a
> > drag
> > > >penalty in the large 21X12X8 tires.
> > > >
> > > >Some of the mods can be seen on Sportflight:
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1041348095
> > > >http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/tip6.jpg
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1075488689
> > > >
> > > >The last photo also shows the pod covering the video camera mount on
> the
> > > >left wing strut.
> > > >
> > > >Lowell
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
> > > >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer"
<av8rps@tznet.com>
> > > >>
> > > >>Hi Rick:
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm not trying to make a case against the slow speed of the design.
> But
> > I
> > > >>do think anything we can do to make our airplanes faster makes them
> not
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >only
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>more useful for cross country travel, but also more efficient. My
> > initial
> > > >>question about the Speedsters true cruise speed was really to find
out
> > if
> > > >>the design fine tuned with only 80 hp could really be that fast?
> > > >>
> > > >>My Lake amphibian isn't a fast airplane either, but it sure is
> > versatile.
> > > >>And you wouldn't believe how envious some of my float plane buddies
> are
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >that
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>fly around at under 100 mph when I can breeze by them 30+ mph faster
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >burning
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>less fuel. And as we all know, the longer the trip, the more
benefit
> we
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >see
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>from any increase in speed.
> > > >>
> > > >>Given my druthers, Kitfoxes would go 200 knots. But we know that
will
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >never
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>happen. However, if we can get 120+ mph out of our planes it will
> make
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>the difference between it being used as a local puddle jumper, or an
> > > >>effective and efficient cross country cruiser.
> > > >>
> > > >>Paul
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: <RGray67968@aol.com>
> > > >>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Hi Gang,
> > > >>>Just curious.....why are all you folks worrying about 'how fast'
your
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>Kitfox
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>will go? If you want to go 'fast' then why are you flying Kitfoxes?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>Kitfoxes
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>are great little airplanes to tool around the sky and enjoy the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >afternoon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>Nothing more fun than buzzing around checking out the sites and
even
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>enjoying an
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>occasional X-country in your Kitfox. If you want to go
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>'fast'....sorry....but
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>you guys are flying the wrong airplane. Enjoy your Kitfox for what
it
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Just
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>my opinion and worth what you paid for it.....smile.
> > > >>>Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - RV6 w 280+ hours - former
> > Kitfox
> > > >>>owner (and loved every 115 mph flight in my little Kitfox)
> > > >>>Oh yea......and you guys need to do a LOT better job with the do
not
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>archive
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>- ever search a topic looking for something??? No fun weeding
through
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>the
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>'junk' to get what you want.
> > > >>>do not archive this either :
> > > >>>)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Paul, they get 120mph out of the Avid Speedwing with the 582 Rotax,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >sounds
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>like the Kitfox should get 130 behind the 912......if real clean
and
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>faired
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>out.
> > > >>>Sid
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Does anyone know if the Model IV 912ul Speedster really could
cruise
> at
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>130
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>mph like they claimed it would?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Previous questions about how to get more speed from our Kitfoxes
made
> > me
> > > >>>think about this. I have articles where independent aviation
writers
> > > >>>claimed 125-140 mph speeds from the Speedster, verified by loran /
> gps.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>And
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>then there are other articles whereas the writers claimed to have
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >verified
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>110+ out of the long winged 912ul Model IV. Is this all hipe, or
is
> it
> > > >>>really possible? Comments or opinions?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Paul Seehafer
> > > >>>Wisconsin
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I love this thread on cruise speeds. I've done a lot of work on mine,
including "faired gas caps" that gives my S5 a fairly respectable 2up
110mph indicated at less than 4gph with 100hp NSI/CAP at about 22 inches
mp. I can push it a lot faster, but the fuel use goes up just as fast so
I've found that 3900rpm and 22 inches gives me best economy with good
cruise. I live on a farm with a short farm strip (with obstacles) that
requires a careful and accurate approach to get in on the first try and the
interesting thing is that this heavy S5 will get in and out just about as
short as my previous lightweight model II did with a 582. By adding
fairing material to various places and paying attention to aerodynamic
details I have a fairly decent cross country cruiser while still keeping my
"bush plane" traits. When I have time I've got some ideas to clean it up
even more. The way I figure it, the cleaner it is the more efficient it is
which results in more speed and better fuel economy. This in no way
inhibits my ability to pull it back to 85 and cruise around watching ladies
in their hot tubs.
Ok, that being said, has anybody found a way to clean up the fuselage strut
attach points with a fairing that is removable? This is a fairly draggy
area and could be worth a knot or two.
For what it's worth.
Darrel
> At the Sun-n-Fun Dash 100 the Series 6 (standard wing) was
recorded by the
> officials at 119 kts (136.8 mph) Remember that most everyone has their
> props pitched for climb or a compromise.... Very few will pitch or for
that
> matter prop for just the speed.
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| Subject: | Re: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hey Lowell -
This I was making a more tongue in cheek comment, about Mig
welding for building aircraft, than as a serious comment about
the control column.
However - Since the subject is here. That control column is
not that well designed, and does indeed flex quite a bit. My system
is very friction free, but when you put some heavy airloads on
it - For example slow flight with flaperons deployed, etc. There
is a noticeable amount of flex in the system.
The way the column makes a U-Channel on the pilots side, where the
aileron axis pivot bolt goes through, the steel is simply too
thin. It forms a sort of rectangle with one end u-shaped (bottom),
and with no means of diagonal support naturally flexes. It's a poor
design, which could have been done much simpler, and stronger.
One day if I get ambitious I might rip it out, and stiffen it. But
for now, my wife's list of things I need to do - After 3 years of
airplane construction induced home neglect, has the priority.
Cheers,
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Lowell Fitt lcfitt@inreach.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Hey, Jeff, If you are putting the stresses on your stick that can be put on
your rudder/brake pedals, You need to check the friction in your slystem.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> I always worry that the Mig welded control column might be
> welded by the same welder as the rudder pedals, so I want
> the second stick in case the first breaks off ... :)
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: michel michel@online.no
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:43:20 +0100
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> >--- Dave & Wendy Grosvenor <dwg@iafrica.com> wrote:
> >I take it out when I'm flying alone or if I have a pax who
> >doesn't want to do any flying.
>
> While I understand you, Dave, I feel that, if I should become ill while
> flying
> (I am 56) my passenger should get a fair chance to crash ... not
> vertically.
> As a matter of fact, I always explain the rudiment of the stick and the
two
> red lines (Vso and Vne) to all my passengers, prior to take-off. They
> usually
> enjoy it, feeling less "captive."
> But I am a beginner and I'd like to hear old-timers' opinion on that one.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Jeff,
I've said it before... I'll race any Lancair with my fox...... I get to
pick where the race ends. :) Oh, and part of the rules... One has to be
able to fly the aircraft away from wherever the finish line is.
Nitrous and a 540... Lets just go turbine.. or jet... we already have
variable geometry wings...... push the throttles past the stops, sweep the
wings and lets rock..... Maybe when we push the throttles forward the wings
will sweep back for us ???
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jeff.hays@aselia.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Ok - That does it. Out with the IO-240 and in with a new IO-540
add a little nitrous, and we'll see how fast my Kitfox can go!
All this talk about speed. Feel like I tuned into the Lancair
list by mistake ...
How about a little talk about getting in and out of muddy fields,
or various tundra tire options, etc. Stuff the plane was meant to
do.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: JMCBEAN JDMCBEAN@cableone.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Paul,
At the Sun-n-Fun Dash 100 the Series 6 (standard wing) was recorded
by the
officials at 119 kts (136.8 mph) Remember that most everyone has their
props pitched for climb or a compromise.... Very few will pitch or for that
matter prop for just the speed.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Sid:
But the Avid Speedwing has a sem-symmetrical airfoil that the Kitfox doesn't
have the luxury of, plus was only 24 feet long verses the Kitfox wing of
29'+. So while I agree the Speedwing Avid was a little hotrod, we're not
really comparing apples to apples.
My purpose in asking the question about whether or not the Kitfox IV
Speedster could really do 130-140 mph was to find out if anyone is actually
doing it with their airplane. Apparently there are some owners that are
doing numbers that are close, but I haven't heard of anyone actually
attaining the numbers claimed by the writers and the factory (yet).
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
>
> Paul, they get 120mph out of the Avid Speedwing with the 582 Rotax, sounds
> like the Kitfox should get 130 behind the 912......if real clean and
faired
> out.
> Sid
> --------------
>
> Does anyone know if the Model IV 912ul Speedster really could cruise at
130
> mph like they claimed it would?
>
> Previous questions about how to get more speed from our Kitfoxes made me
> think about this. I have articles where independent aviation writers
> claimed 125-140 mph speeds from the Speedster, verified by loran / gps.
And
> then there are other articles whereas the writers claimed to have verified
> 110+ out of the long winged 912ul Model IV. Is this all hipe, or is it
> really possible? Comments or opinions?
>
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Wisconsin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise Speeds |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Time spent "in" the hot tub with the ladies, is better than
time wasted fairing gas caps ... :)
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Fox5flyer morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I love this thread on cruise speeds. I've done a lot of work on mine,
including "faired gas caps" that gives my S5 a fairly respectable 2up
110mph indicated at less than 4gph with 100hp NSI/CAP at about 22 inches
mp. I can push it a lot faster, but the fuel use goes up just as fast so
I've found that 3900rpm and 22 inches gives me best economy with good
cruise. I live on a farm with a short farm strip (with obstacles) that
requires a careful and accurate approach to get in on the first try and the
interesting thing is that this heavy S5 will get in and out just about as
short as my previous lightweight model II did with a 582. By adding
fairing material to various places and paying attention to aerodynamic
details I have a fairly decent cross country cruiser while still keeping my
"bush plane" traits. When I have time I've got some ideas to clean it up
even more. The way I figure it, the cleaner it is the more efficient it is
which results in more speed and better fuel economy. This in no way
inhibits my ability to pull it back to 85 and cruise around watching ladies
in their hot tubs.
Ok, that being said, has anybody found a way to clean up the fuselage strut
attach points with a fairing that is removable? This is a fairly draggy
area and could be worth a knot or two.
For what it's worth.
Darrel
> At the Sun-n-Fun Dash 100 the Series 6 (standard wing) was
recorded by the
> officials at 119 kts (136.8 mph) Remember that most everyone has their
> props pitched for climb or a compromise.... Very few will pitch or for
that
> matter prop for just the speed.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lines, John" <JLines@phelpsdodge.com>
That could be very debatable...and it would / could be a more interesting
thread than some other's of late
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.hays@aselia.com [mailto:jeff.hays@aselia.com]
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Time spent "in" the hot tub with the ladies, is better than
time wasted fairing gas caps ... :)
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Fox5flyer morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I love this thread on cruise speeds. I've done a lot of work on mine,
including "faired gas caps" that gives my S5 a fairly respectable 2up
110mph indicated at less than 4gph with 100hp NSI/CAP at about 22 inches
mp. I can push it a lot faster, but the fuel use goes up just as fast so
I've found that 3900rpm and 22 inches gives me best economy with good
cruise. I live on a farm with a short farm strip (with obstacles) that
requires a careful and accurate approach to get in on the first try and the
interesting thing is that this heavy S5 will get in and out just about as
short as my previous lightweight model II did with a 582. By adding
fairing material to various places and paying attention to aerodynamic
details I have a fairly decent cross country cruiser while still keeping my
"bush plane" traits. When I have time I've got some ideas to clean it up
even more. The way I figure it, the cleaner it is the more efficient it is
which results in more speed and better fuel economy. This in no way
inhibits my ability to pull it back to 85 and cruise around watching ladies
in their hot tubs.
Ok, that being said, has anybody found a way to clean up the fuselage strut
attach points with a fairing that is removable? This is a fairly draggy
area and could be worth a knot or two.
For what it's worth.
Darrel
> At the Sun-n-Fun Dash 100 the Series 6 (standard wing) was
recorded by the
> officials at 119 kts (136.8 mph) Remember that most everyone has their
> props pitched for climb or a compromise.... Very few will pitch or for
that
> matter prop for just the speed.
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise Speeds |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Darrel,
I had to copy your e-mail on improved efficiency for
my archives. You are showing what can be done with
real good results. Thanks.
A long time ago I used to fly CH-53 helicopters.
Cruise speed was 150 kts and max speed 170 kts. But
we could beat an F-4 to 10,000' from a standing
start...using less fuel...carrying a bigger load...
:-) Now that is real apples and oranges. Hehe
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise Speeds |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "martin dovey" <kitfox.england@ntlworld.com>
Yes but when you are "in" the hot tub with the ladies you still
have to take basic aerodynamics in to acount,
Lift, Weight, Drag & Thrust!
Martin Dovey
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Time spent "in" the hot tub with the ladies, is better than
> time wasted fairing gas caps ... :)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Removing PTT button from Model 2 stick? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Steve,
I owned several motorcycle/ATV businesses over the years.
You need to use a thin, long tube attached to a air blower and use compressed air.
Work the end of the tube around the grip as you push it in.This is the ONLY way
to remove those grips. If you do it right, the grip will be usable.
Remove the old glue with alcohol or paint thinner.
When you re-install, don't use any glue. A little old spit (or soap) will get it
back on then use a wrap
of safety wire to secure.
Scott in Nome
Rex wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex" <rex@awarenest.com>
>
> Hi Steve,
> It would depend of course on what adhesive was used to glue the grip. I have
had some sucess removing motorcycle grips by working a thin screwdriver blade
between the grip and handlebar. This is a mechanical means to break the bond.
Perhaps a special tool could be made that would have a thin flexible blade with
a handle. I have something similar which I think is a kitchen tool for spreading
icing or such. It is too wide for this idea, but one could be made narrow
and could work. If the glue is like motorcycle grip glue it can be nearly impossible
to remove a grip without destroying it. Perhaps sharpening the end of
the tool to cut the glue as you stab between the stick and grip. A little oil
in there should help too. (WD-40?) too keep to tool and grip sticking together
from friction.
> Good luck, I hope this gives you an idea that will help.
>
> Rex
> Colorado Springs
>
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dsherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
Gary,
Is the screen "update" rate fast enough for the
turn and bank/HSI etc to work well?
ds
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Altimeter needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I have the 196 and love it - the panel screen not only gives VSI etc it
also
> has a turn and Bank which is a welcome addition. The screen is big and it
is
> very user friendly
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Hey Jay,
> Have you looked at the Garmin GPSmap 196. It's panel view screen has
> Altimeter, VSI and other cute things. I kind of like steam gages for
basic
> info too, but I don't plan to put other VSI in.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jeff, - can't remember the V design, but the IV is pretty stiff there.
Working the pilot's stick against the passenger's gives me no movement,
flex or slop. I did put in bronze bushings at the stick pivot to eliminate
the effects of the tapered reamers there, though.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Hey Lowell -
>
> This I was making a more tongue in cheek comment, about Mig
> welding for building aircraft, than as a serious comment about
> the control column.
>
> However - Since the subject is here. That control column is
> not that well designed, and does indeed flex quite a bit. My system
> is very friction free, but when you put some heavy airloads on
> it - For example slow flight with flaperons deployed, etc. There
> is a noticeable amount of flex in the system.
>
> The way the column makes a U-Channel on the pilots side, where the
> aileron axis pivot bolt goes through, the steel is simply too
> thin. It forms a sort of rectangle with one end u-shaped (bottom),
> and with no means of diagonal support naturally flexes. It's a poor
> design, which could have been done much simpler, and stronger.
>
> One day if I get ambitious I might rip it out, and stiffen it. But
> for now, my wife's list of things I need to do - After 3 years of
> airplane construction induced home neglect, has the priority.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Lowell Fitt lcfitt@inreach.com
> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 07:23:10 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Hey, Jeff, If you are putting the stresses on your stick that can be put
on
> your rudder/brake pedals, You need to check the friction in your slystem.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Captive PAX - WAS: Stick movement
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> >
> > I always worry that the Mig welded control column might be
> > welded by the same welder as the rudder pedals, so I want
> > the second stick in case the first breaks off ... :)
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: michel michel@online.no
> > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:43:20 +0100
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
> >
> > >--- Dave & Wendy Grosvenor <dwg@iafrica.com> wrote:
> > >I take it out when I'm flying alone or if I have a pax who
> > >doesn't want to do any flying.
> >
> > While I understand you, Dave, I feel that, if I should become ill while
> > flying
> > (I am 56) my passenger should get a fair chance to crash ... not
> > vertically.
> > As a matter of fact, I always explain the rudiment of the stick and the
> two
> > red lines (Vso and Vne) to all my passengers, prior to take-off. They
> > usually
> > enjoy it, feeling less "captive."
> > But I am a beginner and I'd like to hear old-timers' opinion on that
one.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michel, Jabi 2200,was Rotax 582 Engine problems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I believe Kitplanes Magazine did a series of articles on a Kitfox/Jabiru 2200 installation.
You can find them on the web if not at the news stand. May be of
interest to you in deciding on engines.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise Speeds |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I love this thread on cruise speeds. I've done a lot of work on mine,
> including "faired gas caps" that gives my S5 a fairly respectable 2up
> 110mph indicated at less than 4gph...
Darrel, This is a good point. In our first Idaho trip as a group I used
7.7 gallons in the three hour flight from Cameron Park to Winnemucca, NV. I
still hear about that one. And in all subsequent trips, when the others top
off the tanks, I will need about 70% of what the others use.
I expect in another 6 months or so, I will be able to afford the
aforementioned "Hot Tub" with the fuel savings alone.
Lowell
.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor Marsh" <vmarsh@ib4e.biz>
Is there anyone in the Stockton CA, area with a classic IV that I can
catch a ride with. I am nearing completion of my project. I have
time in an Avid Flyer, but my insurance carrier wants me to have time
in make and model etc...
Thanks.
Please contact me at vmarsh@ib4e.biz
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hello List,
I am installing the fiberglass dash cover on my
Classic IV and have a question. The manual says to
drill 10 holes to fasten the cover to the windshield.
If I position the cover level with the fuselage, the
holes through the windshield to fasten it will have to
be above the edge of the top cowling. Are they
supposed to be?
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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| Subject: | "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>(I am 56) my passenger should get a fair chance to crash ... not vertically.
>I always worry that the Mig welded control column might be
>welded by the same welder as the rudder pedals, so I want
>the second stick in case the first breaks off ... :)
You guys have your probabilities all mixed up. You are a lot more
likely to have the passenger's knees interfering with your operation
of the controls than to become incapacitated or have the stick break
off in your hand.
Mike G.
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| Subject: | Re: Captive PAX/ Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I wish we had a center stick option with dual
throttles. That would eliminate some weight,
interference and slop. Push to talk would have to be
somewhere else though. Kind'a crowded to install in
the middle too I know.
Anyone hear of someone doing this on a KF or Avid?
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Grant, Mine are just below the raised lip, so out of sight. I don't think
you would want them above the cowl. I have never seen one that way.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover)
Installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello List,
>
> I am installing the fiberglass dash cover on my
> Classic IV and have a question. The manual says to
> drill 10 holes to fasten the cover to the windshield.
> If I position the cover level with the fuselage, the
> holes through the windshield to fasten it will have to
> be above the edge of the top cowling. Are they
> supposed to be?
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Like Lowell says, below the cowl lip. I was able to
align mine to be about straight back from the cowl so
that, if the cowl lip and windscreen weren't there, it
would form a straight line cowl top to panel cover
top. That made the cover's bottom sides just barely
forward of the panel corners. The way you dress the
cover lip out can help if you need an extention. You
need something there to blunt that edge anyway.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello List,
>
> I am installing the fiberglass dash cover on my
> Classic IV and have a question. The manual says to
> drill 10 holes to fasten the cover to the
> windshield.
> If I position the cover level with the fuselage, the
> holes through the windshield to fasten it will have
> to
> be above the edge of the top cowling. Are they
> supposed to be?
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
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| Subject: | RE: NSI/CAP prop cruising |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick and others with the NSI turbo and CAP props,
How do you set your cruise? Pitch to full course,
throttle back, then lean? Some intermediate pitch
setting? Leave the throttle max, as Lance says?
What cruise FF do you get and at what speed?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI Turbo
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| Subject: | RE: NSI/CAP prop cruising |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
It seems like its been years but as I recall I set climb on the ground at
run up by appx. pitch, full power full rich , pitch for 5200 RPMs, as she
climbs and gains speed, back off the throttle in steps to maintain 5200 if
needed depending on the day and altitude, and then at cruise altitude pull
back the throttle to give me about 4600 then pitch full to about 3600. Of
course if I am going to climb for any real altitude like 10K plus I will go
to a 4800 RPM setting and lean back as needed to altitude. Once there back
to full throttle and full pitch. Guess there are so many ways to do it and
again slow flight is a different matter as well. I like to keep the engine
RPMs at or above 3600 which seem a fair trade for torque and HP at cruise
and put along about 110mph indicated on 5.5GPH. Hope to do better with the
new engine.
BTW I spoke with Darrell at warp. said they shoot for tip speed of 850FPS.
So if I like the 5200 engine speed and do a 2:1 reduction that will yield a
816FPS. May go 1.9 for 860 tip speed. I can always fudge up a bit on RPMs
if needed. He says we are running the warp props to slow for best
performance. So the math looks like this:
5200/2:1=2600X72=187200/229.183=816FPS
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: NSI/CAP prop cruising
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick and others with the NSI turbo and CAP props,
How do you set your cruise? Pitch to full course,
throttle back, then lean? Some intermediate pitch
setting? Leave the throttle max, as Lance says?
What cruise FF do you get and at what speed?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI Turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Grant.
I put together a Classic IV.
That windshield, top instrument cowling and the top engine cowling is a real
pain.
Be careful, if you have cut, drilled and installed the full engine cowling in
relationship to the engine you have installed. That is a done thing (very
difficult to make adjustments to the cowling after this).
If this is the case, I would say that, first install the windshield, having
cut the windshield to SkyStar specs. and cleco in place on roof (butt ribs).
And then down the side posts
Now place the instrument glare panel, rear end resting on the positioned
aluminum instrument panel. And slide the fiberglass glare panel foreword until
the
bottom of the flange is in line with the bottom edge of the windshield. This
should make for a pleasant profile of the glare panel
If the back edge of the top engine cowling (where it flutes up) is below the
holes (finally Phillips screws) then I think the cowlings are set too low on
the fuselage!!.
The other thing could be that the windshield could be flexed back a little
more. (If you haven't already drilled the holes in the sides). This should bring
the screw holes down a little.
My 10 windshield screws are slightly lower than the flute of the top engine
cowl (just about). I would have preferred to have a little more space there!
But it is very tricky and I spent hours on this area.
If you go to the recent builder completion's at the SkyStar site, (Ashman.
Blue and red) you will see my window. I have placed a white rubber "P" weather
strip to the windshield. I had a little rain come in one day.
I hope this helps. Eric Ashman. Atlanta
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
I can only speculate as to whats going on at Sky Star but I'm kinda nervous .
I can't contact them any other way than by phone and then its hard to get an
answer on anything .the last time I ordered parts was in October and they just
about brought them here ! I thought "What Service!" now I can't get them to
do anything? This , and a dedicated Employee leaveing? well one can only guess
employees off , it attracts them course this is only my opinion but it don't
take much to read between the lines
Best David Cecil
KF950
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Thanks Lowell, Kurt and Eric.
From reading your responses, I think I've got
something drastically wrong here. The bottom lip on
the dash cover is 1" above the bottom lip on the
windscreen. Eric, you may be right, I may have the
cowlings mounted too low. At most I could only gain
1/2" though if I were to epoxy the holes shut and
start over moving the lower cowling up. The
windscreen seems very close to the x-brace tubing in
the front. By that I mean you can just get your
fingers between the tubes and the windscreen. It had
to be positioned like that because the top cowling was
such a tight fit against it. Any ideas or suggestions?
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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