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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 05:53 AM - Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (David Wright)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (Dee Young)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (Lowell Fitt)
6. 06:52 AM - Re: "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement (Clifford Begnaud)
7. 07:04 AM - new member saying Hi!! and lite paint (Jim Chuk)
8. 07:09 AM - Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (Lowell Fitt)
9. 07:38 AM - 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (John Banes)
10. 07:43 AM - Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (David Wright)
11. 07:47 AM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Floran Higgins)
12. 07:48 AM - Re: "PAX and the Stick" (Michel Verheughe)
13. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 (Michel Verheughe)
14. 08:20 AM - Re: "Captive" PAX (Michel Verheughe)
15. 08:30 AM - lite paint (hausding, sid)
16. 09:00 AM - Re: new member saying Hi!! and lite paint (Howard Firm)
17. 10:07 AM - Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (Steve Cooper)
18. 10:14 AM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (JMCBEAN)
19. 10:15 AM - Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (JMCBEAN)
20. 10:24 AM - Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation (kurt schrader)
21. 10:53 AM - Re: lite paint HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY (Dan Sherburn)
22. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 (Jimmie Blackwell)
23. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 (kurt schrader)
24. 03:02 PM - Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (kurt schrader)
25. 03:09 PM - Low Fuel Warning (Norm Beauchamp)
26. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: NSI/CAP prop cruising (kurt schrader)
27. 03:34 PM - Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite (Bob Unternaehrer)
28. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: NSI/CAP prop rpm (kurt schrader)
29. 03:53 PM - Re: Low Fuel Warning (Torgeir Mortensen)
30. 06:04 PM - Re: EIS engine info system (Paul Seehafer)
31. 06:04 PM - Re: Cruise Speeds HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY (Paul Seehafer)
32. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 (Woody (Lew) Moyle)
33. 07:29 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Clint Bazzill)
34. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: NSI/CAP prop rpm (Rick)
35. 09:01 PM - (hausding, sid)
36. 09:15 PM - Re: Low Fuel Warning (Vic Jacko)
37. 09:48 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (John Banes)
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/6/04 3:10:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gjfpilot@yahoo.com writes:
> holes through the windshield to fasten it will have to
> be above the edge of the top cowling. Are they
> supposed to be?
>
> Grant Fluent
>
Grant,
On my Classic IV, the holes were below the top edge of the cowl. On my
first windshield, all the holes started to crack out. I didn't drill holes for
the second windshield and everything works just fine. I wouldn't drill the
holes if I were you. As far as the cover being above the lip, I'd bring it
down to a point where it would be below the lip. I also used a bracket up to the
cover off the two rods that support the panel. This held it in place where I
wanted it.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what I see
as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use Poly-Spray
as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite heavier than the
254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV blocker to add
to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for ultralights in these
situations that it might be best to try some Poly-spray and then use the UV blocker.
As another option they mention that Nevada and Rancho Silver topcoats
can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the same UV blocking silver. As
I don't feel that the Skystar approach is reasonable I am trying to "lock in"
on another.
1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is both legal
and as light as I can make it. And one
that has a full life span available to the fabric.
2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as weight goes.
3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft will
be heavier than it could be but it might
actually look decent.
I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's opinions.
Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hi Grant.
If my memory serves me well, when I received my kit, the windshield was
already marked out by Skystar. I had to cut to the line with my jig saw and smooth
and polish the edges. But no holes were marked.
I figured that I had to start from somewhere, so this windshield was an
important reference for me. (you have all these loose components. Windshield,
instrument glare panel, engine cowling.) My other reference was the engine, In
fact
I didn't start on the engine cowlings until I could afford the 912UL.
(ordered them at the same time from Skystar).
Main reference point for the cowling was the prop hub (with the engine
installed I cut a short length of 1X4" wood plank and drilled a hole big enough
to
slip on the prop flange) This helped to align everything up front.
I clecoed the roof portion of the windshield and cussed and the two of us
bent the windshield back and held the plastic in place with clamps.
These were my two reference points. A false prop and the window, and with
lots of patience everything was slowly mated up.
Grant, It looks like the lower engine cowling either has to move forward or
up. If it was, say, hinged at the lower screw point, down by the rudder pedals
on each side. Is it possible to raise the back end, this should lift the back
end up and forward. That is what your after, right.
With the engine reference! with your plank in place. This will let you know
how centered you are. If by hinging up, the front cowl hits the plank! make a
smaller plank shim to send the false prop forward an inch.
Now I think this is somewhat doable if you haven't already trimmed the engine
cowling down to finest degree. If you have, I think you will have a lot of
fiberglass and polyester resin work to do!! And thats another story.
Trying my best to help and I can understand your frustrations. But you know,
in a year from now this will all be memory and you will be enjoying the fruits
of your labor.
Greetings. Eric.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 06:15:57 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
IMHO #3 is the best option. You have to look at it for long time and you don't
want problems with the fabric later on. Do it once and do it right and you will
not be sorry. The Poly system is a proven system and should last 20+ years.
I really don't think you can improve much on that.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
--- Original Message -----
From: David Wright<mailto:deedubs@charter.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 5:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net<mailto:deedubs@charter.net>>
I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what I
see as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use Poly-Spray
as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite heavier than the
254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV blocker to add
to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for ultralights in these
situations that it might be best to try some Poly-spray and then use the UV
blocker. As another option they mention that Nevada and Rancho Silver topcoats
can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the same UV blocking silver.
As I don't feel that the Skystar approach is reasonable I am trying to "lock
in" on another.
1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is both legal
and as light as I can make it. And one
that has a full life span available to the fabric.
2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as weight
goes.
3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft will
be heavier than it could be but it might
actually look decent.
I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's opinions.
Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
My first thought is that it is pretty hard to get the cowling to low with
the oil tank where it is. Then you might not be using the R-912. Actually,
if it is the cowl being too low it isn't too difficult to add some length
to the lower edge of the top cowl. Definitely better than seeing the screws
and wishing they didn't show.
If you want to modify the cowl send a post direct and I will give some
suggestions on methods.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover)
Installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks Lowell, Kurt and Eric.
>
> From reading your responses, I think I've got
> something drastically wrong here. The bottom lip on
> the dash cover is 1" above the bottom lip on the
> windscreen. Eric, you may be right, I may have the
> cowlings mounted too low. At most I could only gain
> 1/2" though if I were to epoxy the holes shut and
> start over moving the lower cowling up. The
> windscreen seems very close to the x-brace tubing in
> the front. By that I mean you can just get your
> fingers between the tubes and the windscreen. It had
> to be positioned like that because the top cowling was
> such a tight fit against it. Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Captive" PAX - WAS: Stick movement |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Mike,
You are correct about the probabilities, but when calculating risk you also
have to factor in the "consequences". I have often had passengers'
knees/legs interfere with the stick, yet, I'm still here to tell about it.
However, if I had a broken stick with no backup, what would be the
consequences?
The likelihood of a pilot becoming incapacitated is indeed very remote, but
the consequences ....
Also, considering the number of broken welds experienced by Kitfox owners
over the years, I would suggest that the probability of a broken stick is
not all that remote. Just my 2 cents.
My passenger side stick will stay right where it is.
Best Regards,
Cliff
>
>
> >(I am 56) my passenger should get a fair chance to crash ... not
vertically.
>
> >I always worry that the Mig welded control column might be
> >welded by the same welder as the rudder pedals, so I want
> >the second stick in case the first breaks off ... :)
>
> You guys have your probabilities all mixed up. You are a lot more
> likely to have the passenger's knees interfering with your operation
> of the controls than to become incapacitated or have the stick break
> off in your hand.
>
> Mike G.
>
>
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| Subject: | new member saying Hi!! and lite paint |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim Chuk" <thesupe@hotmail.com>
Hi all, Jim Chuk here. I live in COLD northern MN and have been flying a Himax
for the last 3 years or so. I'm new to this group, I just bought a Kitfox 3 a
week ago that is in need of a bit of work. Some damage was done to one wing
in a trailering incident and the top of the plane where the wings attach has been
cut off with a new one from skystar ready to be welded in. A friend of mine
who has built a few planes and worked on others didn't think it was much of
a problem to fix so after he told me he would help, I bought it. The plane needs
to be covered of course and as I want to keep it as light as possible, I've
been thinking about useing latex paint. I'm on the Ison aircraft (makers of
the Minimax and Himax aircraft) builders website and a number of them have used
latex with (they said) good results. I guess I'm just throwing the thought
out there to see what youall think. I know it would be far less expensive
to use but of course one has to be concerned with the results also. Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
David, A couple if questions.
Will the airplane be hangared or stored out of the sun? How many hours a
year will you be flying? In other words, how many hours a year will it be
exposed to the sun's UV?
The Poly Fiber system is good for a lot of years even if the aircraft is
stored outside 100% of the time. The Dacron will deteriorate without a
doubt in time, but consider the time of exposure. It may not be much of an
issue.
That said, one of our flying buddies has a silver airplane with a blue
sunburst pattern on the wings. It looks nice, but we call it the Stealth
Kitfox because it is almost invisible in flight. In fact when we got in
trouble last year for flying where we shouldn't have been, only three
airplanes were seen from the ground when there were four. At first the
others thought that timid me didn't follow the group into never-never
airspace.
I would likely go for option 3 if exposure was going to be significant.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
>
> I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what
I see as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
>
> Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use
Poly-Spray as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite heavier
than the 254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV
blocker to add to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for
ultralights in these situations that it might be best to try some Poly-spray
and then use the UV blocker. As another option they mention that Nevada and
Rancho Silver topcoats can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the
same UV blocking silver. As I don't feel that the Skystar approach is
reasonable I am trying to "lock in" on another.
>
> 1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is
both legal and as light as I can make it. And one
> that has a full life span available to the fabric.
> 2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as
weight goes.
> 3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft
will be heavier than it could be but it might
> actually look decent.
>
> I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's
opinions. Tx.
>
>
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Recently a friend of mine who flys a Rans S-7 related that his hangar mate's
Rans S-10 with a 912S had two oil cooler failures. These failures were
believed to be the result of engine vibration on the cooler. As part of the
second replacement he fabricated a rubber mounting system for the oil
cooler. Not many hours but no failures since. The plane has flown for
roughly a year. My friend's S-7 with a 912S came with a rubber type
mounting system for the oil cooler. He has had no failures but the plane
has flown only a few hours.
The mounting system on the KF S-6 with 912S is all steel tubing with no
flexible isolation material such as rubber. Is there any experience with
oil coolers failing on KF-5/6 with 912S due to vibration?
John Banes
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| Subject: | Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite |
MARKETING_SUBJECT
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what I
see as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use
Poly-Spray as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite heavier
than the 254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV
blocker to add to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for
ultralights in these situations that it might be best to try some Poly-spray
and then use the UV blocker. As another option they mention that Nevada and
Rancho Silver topcoats can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the
same UV blocking silver. As I don't feel that the Skystar approach is
reasonable I am trying to "lock in" on another.
1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is both
legal and as light as I can make it. And one
that has a full life span available to the fabric.
2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as weight
goes.
3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft
will be heavier than it could be but it might
actually look decent.
I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's
opinions. Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
When I changed the engine in my model 4 Speedster from a 912 UL to a 912
ULS, I used the oil cooler and mount from the 912 UL. I had three oil cooler
failures with this setup.
I obtained the mount and oil cooler from Skystar for the 912 ULS and have no
further problems in over 200 hrs.
Floran
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
>
> Recently a friend of mine who flys a Rans S-7 related that his hangar
mate's
> Rans S-10 with a 912S had two oil cooler failures. These failures were
> believed to be the result of engine vibration on the cooler. As part of
the
> second replacement he fabricated a rubber mounting system for the oil
> cooler. Not many hours but no failures since. The plane has flown for
> roughly a year. My friend's S-7 with a 912S came with a rubber type
> mounting system for the oil cooler. He has had no failures but the plane
> has flown only a few hours.
>
> The mounting system on the KF S-6 with 912S is all steel tubing with no
> flexible isolation material such as rubber. Is there any experience with
> oil coolers failing on KF-5/6 with 912S due to vibration?
>
> John Banes
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "PAX and the Stick" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> I offered her the controls, and to my (pleasant) surprise, she gave it a
> try.
You are more lucky than me, Scott. My wife accepted to do one traffic pattern
with me, just for the record. When asked after if there will be more trips, she
answered: "Don't push your luck, it's your hobby, not mine!" ... :-)
Otherwise, I agree with Kurt. It would be safer if we had one central stick and
dual throttles.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Matt Keyes wrote:
> I believe Kitplanes Magazine did a series of articles on a Kitfox/Jabiru 2200
installation. You can find them on the web if not at the news stand. May be
of interest to you in deciding on engines.
Thanks Matt. I found, on the Kitplane web site, that a Kitfox with Jabiru 2200
was talked about in the Dec 2003 issue but ... no chance to find that magazine
on the Norwegian news stands.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: "Captive" PAX |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
> The likelihood of a pilot becoming incapacitated is indeed very remote, but
> the consequences ....
Maybe, Cliff ... but last year, when I was learning to land my Kitfox with the
instructor, after several T&G, we went for full stop. As the plane stopped, I
got a very bad cramp in my left leg. Probably from all the tension, keeping the
plane coordinated, listening to the instructor and ... trying the land the
plane with not too many bounces.
Anyway, as a Skyhawk was behind us on final, and I was in terrible pain, my
instructor tracked back and exited the active runway as fast as possible. Since
I don't have brakes on the right-hand seat, he stopped the plane on the side of
the taxiway and switched off the engine.
When the Skyhawk passed us, our Kitfox badly parked, me with my left leg
stretched outside the half open door, the pilot shook his head and he probably
thought: "Those damn microlight pilots!" I wasn't feeling very proud, ... but I
was safe on the ground.
Today, when I fly, I make sure to move my legs and relax them so that I won't
experience a cramp when alone. Should it happen, I think my survival instinct
will take over and I'll keep control of the plane. After all, a few minutes
later, the cramp was gone. But I'd feel safer if someone else is in the plane.
All the passengers I've had, who tried the stick, even without previous flying
experience, managed to, at least, keep the plane level ... well, about level ...
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Jim,
I too am here in the cold north....Alpena. Give me a shout and I will send
you some of the articles on painting with latex, who is doing it, and how it
is being done. My Avid Speedwing is a good example if you're nearby.......
.
Sid
-------------------------
Hi all, Jim Chuk here. I live in COLD northern MN and have been flying a
Himax for the last 3 years or so. I'm new to this group, I just bought a
Kitfox 3 a week ago that is in need of a bit of work. Some damage was done
to one wing in a trailering incident and the top of the plane where the
wings attach has been cut off with a new one from skystar ready to be welded
in. A friend of mine who has built a few planes and worked on others didn't
think it was much of a problem to fix so after he told me he would help, I
bought it. The plane needs to be covered of course and as I want to keep it
as light as possible, I've been thinking about useing latex paint. I'm on
the Ison aircraft (makers of the Minimax and Himax aircraft) builders
website and a number of them have used latex with (they said) good results
I guess I'm just throwing the thought out there to see what youall think.
I know it would be far less expensive to use but of course one has to be
concerned with t!
he results also. Thanks, Jim
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| Subject: | Re: new member saying Hi!! and lite paint |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Jim, where in MN are you at?
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Chuk" <thesupe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: new member saying Hi!! and lite paint
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim Chuk" <thesupe@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi all, Jim Chuk here. I live in COLD northern MN and have been flying a
Himax for the last 3 years or so. I'm new to this group, I just bought a
Kitfox 3 a week ago that is in need of a bit of work. Some damage was done
to one wing in a trailering incident and the top of the plane where the
wings attach has been cut off with a new one from skystar ready to be welded
in. A friend of mine who has built a few planes and worked on others didn't
think it was much of a problem to fix so after he told me he would help, I
bought it. The plane needs to be covered of course and as I want to keep it
as light as possible, I've been thinking about useing latex paint. I'm on
the Ison aircraft (makers of the Minimax and Himax aircraft) builders
website and a number of them have used latex with (they said) good
results. I guess I'm just throwing the thought out there to see what youall
think. I know it would be far less expensive to use but of course one has
to be concerned with t!
> he results also. Thanks, Jim
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Don't worry about the weight limit. Sport Pilot has been approved by DOT,
FAA and is now less than 60 days away from OMBs 90 day (by law) review
period. After that we have the rule!!! Your bird can be as heavy as 1232 lbs
gross at takeoff. Don't sweat the small stuff. Go for the full Poly Fiber
treatment and you'll have a fine bird your finished.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
>
> I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what
I
> see as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
>
> Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use
> Poly-Spray as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite
heavier
> than the 254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV
> blocker to add to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for
> ultralights in these situations that it might be best to try some
Poly-spray
> and then use the UV blocker. As another option they mention that Nevada
and
> Rancho Silver topcoats can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the
> same UV blocking silver. As I don't feel that the Skystar approach is
> reasonable I am trying to "lock in" on another.
>
> 1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is
both
> legal and as light as I can make it. And one
> that has a full life span available to the fabric.
> 2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as
weight
> goes.
> 3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft
> will be heavier than it could be but it might
> actually look decent.
>
> I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's
> opinions. Tx.
>
>
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| Subject: | Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Below the edge... I haven't seen one above and I don't think you would want
them visible.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Kitfox-List: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover)
Installation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hello List,
I am installing the fiberglass dash cover on my
Classic IV and have a question. The manual says to
drill 10 holes to fasten the cover to the windshield.
If I position the cover level with the fuselage, the
holes through the windshield to fasten it will have to
be above the edge of the top cowling. Are they
supposed to be?
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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| Subject: | Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
David,
I think Lowell hit it on the head..... Obviously the best thing for
longevity is to use the poly-spray as it was intended but it will add the
weight and you really do want to stay as light as possible. Also, PF says
if done correctly the fabric can last outside, unprotected for 20 years. Do
you plan on having your UL outside all day everyday ? The system that SS
uses is actually not SS it is in the poly fiber manual as an alternative for
ultra-light aircraft to keep the weight down.
Next question: are you planning on registering your light in the new LSA
certification ? Are you going to use the 2si, 503 or some other engine ?
Who says the Nevada and Rancho Silver Top coats have UV protection....
Poly-fiber ? I don't think PF would recommend using another product on the
fabric and either would I. Not saying that one can't use another product and
I'm not going to get in a discussion over the uses.. PF has been around for
a long time and their system is time tested and proving. It may not be the
best, and there may be other products that will work as well but I'll stick
with what has been time proving..
Don't ignore weight... Keep it as light as possible.. Compromise maybe one
coat of poly-spray and put the UV blocker in the color...
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Wright
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what I
see as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use
Poly-Spray as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite heavier
than the 254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV
blocker to add to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for
ultralights in these situations that it might be best to try some Poly-spray
and then use the UV blocker. As another option they mention that Nevada and
Rancho Silver topcoats can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the
same UV blocking silver. As I don't feel that the Skystar approach is
reasonable I am trying to "lock in" on another.
1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is both
legal and as light as I can make it. And one
that has a full life span available to the fabric.
2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as weight
goes.
3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft
will be heavier than it could be but it might
actually look decent.
I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's
opinions. Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV - Instrument Panel Cover (Dash Cover) Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
It does sound like your cowl is too low, but just an
idea here. Would it be easier to modify the dash
cover than the cowl? Which one would be best in the
long run to change? Do the cowl if it wrong, but if
there is no other problem, just modify the cover,
IMHO.
Kurt S.
--- Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lowell, Kurt and Eric.
>
> From reading your responses, I think I've got
> something drastically wrong here. The bottom lip on
> the dash cover is 1" above the bottom lip on the
> windscreen. Eric, you may be right, I may have the
> cowlings mounted too low. At most I could only gain
> 1/2" though if I were to epoxy the holes shut and
> start over moving the lower cowling up. The
> windscreen seems very close to the x-brace tubing in
> the front. By that I mean you can just get your
> fingers between the tubes and the windscreen. It had
> to be positioned like that because the top cowling
> was
> such a tight fit against it. Any ideas or
> suggestions?
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
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| Subject: | Re: lite paint HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dan Sherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
Sid,
Just subscribed as I'm trying to find a kit for next year.
The city "Alpena" caught my eye as I'll be heading there
this Monday.
Dan Sherburn
Spring Lake, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: lite paint HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
>
> Jim,
> I too am here in the cold north....Alpena. Give me a shout and I will
send
> you some of the articles on painting with latex, who is doing it, and how
it
> is being done. My Avid Speedwing is a good example if you're
nearby.......
> .
> Sid
> -------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Michel
The Jabiru installation is in the last two issues of Kitplane. There is
supposed to be one more article in the next issue.
If you would like I can scan the articles and email to you. I have talked
extensively with the author and owner of the airplane that the article is
about. As of now I am planning to install the Jabiru 2200 in the Model IV
that I am building. Looks like the key to a good installation is to use the
cowling from Skyfox and modify it to fit the Model IV. I would be happy to
share the research that I have done on the Jabiru installation and can give
you Dave Jalanti's email address. Dave built the Model IV that is featured
in the Kitplane article. He is rather pleased with the 2200 and is always
willing to help other builders.
Let me know how I can help and if you want me to email the articles to you.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Matt Keyes wrote:
> > I believe Kitplanes Magazine did a series of articles on a Kitfox/Jabiru
2200 installation. You can find them on the web if not at the news stand.
May be of interest to you in deciding on engines.
>
> Thanks Matt. I found, on the Kitplane web site, that a Kitfox with Jabiru
2200
> was talked about in the Dec 2003 issue but ... no chance to find that
magazine
> on the Norwegian news stands.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I would take Jimmie up on that info offer, if I were
you. I just got the March KitPlanes and here is what
Dave said in a nutshell.
He is working with a good Jabi dealer now and that
makes a big difference.
Jabiru did some improving on the engine and corrected
the problems Dave had with it. (Cyl heat and carb)
Dave aleady has a good prop figured from his testing.
Dave has worked out many of the bugs for you in the
other areas too.
Performance for him is as follows:
"It is a blast to fly!" he says.
Good takeoff accelleration and distance.
Climb of 700-1300 ft/min
Cruise of 98-102 mph at 3.4 gph
Max speed of 112-115 mph
He doesn't mention the weight, as far as I have found.
I didn't see the price either.
What is your VNE? Maybe you will need more of a climb
prop not to exceed it at full throttle? :-) Or
should I say, "Oh, boo hoo...?" :-)
Kurt S.
--- Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
> Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Michel
>
> The Jabiru installation is in the last two issues of
> Kitplane. There is
> supposed to be one more article in the next issue.
>
> If you would like I can scan the articles and email
> to you. I have talked
> extensively with the author and owner of the
> airplane that the article is
> about. As of now I am planning to install the
> Jabiru 2200 in the Model IV
> that I am building. Looks like the key to a good
> installation is to use the
> cowling from Skyfox and modify it to fit the Model
> IV. I would be happy to
> share the research that I have done on the Jabiru
> installation and can give
> you Dave Jalanti's email address. Dave built the
> Model IV that is featured
> in the Kitplane article. He is rather pleased with
> the 2200 and is always
> willing to help other builders.
>
> Let me know how I can help and if you want me to
> email the articles to you.
>
> Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I'll agree with Steve. Well, worry about the weight,
but build it to last and be safe first.
If you want to save weight, apply only one silver coat
to the wing and fuselage bottoms and put the UV
blocker in the paint coat to back it up. The bottoms
see little UV. If you cut back from 3 or 4 to 1 good
silver coat on the bottoms, you might save 2.5 lbs
overall. I don't think it would be more than that.
Kurt S.
--- Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Don't worry about the weight limit. Sport Pilot has
> been approved by DOT,
> FAA and is now less than 60 days away from OMBs 90
> day (by law) review
> period. After that we have the rule!!! Your bird can
> be as heavy as 1232 lbs
> gross at takeoff. Don't sweat the small stuff. Go
> for the full Poly Fiber
> treatment and you'll have a fine bird your finished.
>
> Steve
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| Subject: | Low Fuel Warning |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I have just discovered I have the same problem as some others have had.
The blank-it-blank low fuel warn light won't work. I have checked and
double checked the wiring, and its been right every time. I even removed
it from the tank and shined a flashlight on it, no light If some has
one that is not hooked up, would you mind reading the ohms between the
leads and sending them to me. At least then I'll have some idea of what
I should see. On the same subject. Anyone know where these are
manufactured? Maybe it was the shelf life here at the hanger. Hell
it's only seven years old, but never been used!.
Took my first tail dragger training today. Things are coming together.
Getting close to taxi time. Thanks Norm
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | RE: NSI/CAP prop cruising |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Rick,
I know there are so many variables... Just wondered
where to start and what works out there. Thanks for
the info.
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> It seems like its been years but...
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Why not plan on flying under sport pilot rules and build an airplane that
looks good and like YOU like it . May not build and fly but one. The
training required under sport pilot will be worthwhile. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ultralight Weight Limits & Paint on the Lite
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Wright" <deedubs@charter.net>
>
> I am currently working on a Lite and would appreciate any thoughts on what
I see as a bit of an issue with the Lite.
>
> Skystar puts the kit out there with the intention that I should not use
Poly-Spray as the full Poly-Fiber coating system will make the Lite heavier
than the 254 lb weight limit for ultralights. They supply a chemical UV
blocker to add to the top-coat paint. Poly-Fiber recommends that for
ultralights in these situations that it might be best to try some Poly-spray
and then use the UV blocker. As another option they mention that Nevada and
Rancho Silver topcoats can be used with no Poly-Spray as they contain the
same UV blocking silver. As I don't feel that the Skystar approach is
reasonable I am trying to "lock in" on another.
>
> 1. Just go with a silver airplane and end up with an aircraft that is
both legal and as light as I can make it. And one
> that has a full life span available to the fabric.
> 2. Try the partial Poly-Spray system and hope for the best as far as
weight goes.
> 3. Ignore the weight limit and use the full Poly-Spray system. Aircraft
will be heavier than it could be but it might
> actually look decent.
>
> I'm currently swaying towards <1> and I would appreciate hearing other's
opinions. Tx.
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | RE: NSI/CAP prop rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
That is what I thought. We have more to go on the
prop rpm. I forgot if Lance offers a 2:1 ratio in his
lineup. That would make it easier.
If you go 2:1, will you limit the rpm at the ignition
to something less than 56-5800 rpm? You will be
beyond Warps suggested tip speed at that rpm and 2:1,
but I don't think it will hurt if you need to use it.
You will still be lower than most efficient in cruise
even at 2:1 and probably just noisy at max rpm.
BTW The new KitPlanes has Vortelator Kits advertised
on page 4. It doesn't say exactly what they are, but
they are supposed to increase prop efficiency for
20-40 more rpm or 2-4 mph. That is a wild claim
without more specifics. I wonder if it isn't just
some dimple tape on the props like we talked about
before.
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> BTW I spoke with Darrell at warp. said they shoot
> for tip speed of 850FPS.
> So if I like the 5200 engine speed and do a 2:1
> reduction that will yield a
> 816FPS. May go 1.9 for 860 tip speed. I can always
> fudge up a bit on RPMs
> if needed. He says we are running the warp props too
> slow for best
> performance. So the math looks like this:
> 5200/2:1=2600X72=187200/229.183=816FPS
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Warning |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Norm,
Just wondered if your system is using the "optocoupler", this is a
device consisting of one LED and an photosensor. This system was
described in the UKAVID 3 newsletter in mid 95, think I've got a copy of
this letter (as a pdf file). Well, here is a direct link to the device
I'm thinking about:
http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/search/SearchDisplay.jsp?3253650031=3253650031&cacheID=ukie
Make sure you use all the part of this address link.
This is RS component in UK, however you'll find them in US as well.
Here is their international start point:
http://www.rs-components.com/index.html
Torgeir.
Norm Beauchamp wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
> I have just discovered I have the same problem as some others have had.
> The blank-it-blank low fuel warn light won't work. I have checked and
> double checked the wiring, and its been right every time. I even removed
> it from the tank and shined a flashlight on it, no light If some has
> one that is not hooked up, would you mind reading the ohms between the
> leads and sending them to me. At least then I'll have some idea of what
> I should see. On the same subject. Anyone know where these are
> manufactured? Maybe it was the shelf life here at the hanger. Hell
> it's only seven years old, but never been used!.
>
> Took my first tail dragger training today. Things are coming together.
> Getting close to taxi time. Thanks Norm
>
> Do not archive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: EIS engine info system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Jay:
I haven't flown the EIS behind a 912, but I put a good fifty hours in a
buddies Mark IV/618 Rotax Avid with the EIS system in it. It is hands down
the best instrument for the money in my opinion! You can have pages of
useful information in it, and choose what's important to you for the main
page that shows all the time without having to scroll to the next page
unless you need to. BUT, if anything goes above your limits (you set) a red
flashing light comes on and the problem area (egt as an example) flashes on
the first page until you hit the button acknowledging the problem. It is
superior to manual guages because there is no way anyone can monitor all the
instruments like the EIS computer can. And with all of the extra features
like altitude, oat, etc, it is far away one of the best investments you can
make for an instrument panel/airplane.
My model IV that I'm refurbing came with a completed panel. But if it
hadn't I would have tossed the old instruments and put in an EIS unit in a
heartbeat. Oh incidentally, because this Avid was built when EIS had just
started their company, we had some issues with the unit that took them a
while to sort out. Their support of their product was fantastic.
Theres my two cents worth...
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: EIS engine info system
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
> Does any one out there have the EIS instrument with the 912 engine? I need
to replace my regular Altimeter that is broken.
> Any info and cost would help.
>
> thanks
> Jay
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sid:
Don't worry. I'll forgive you this time :-)
While it's always fun to gloat over things, what I really enjoyed was that
article you sent me on the new radial engined ROUND-COWLED, LOW DRAG Reno
air racer being developed. Maybe I should consider putting an R-2800 in my
Model IV Fox? I'll bet all that streamlining and fairings wouldn't mean
much by comparison....hmmmm.....a power loading of somewhere around .4 lbs
per hp!!!! A true Speedster no doubt...
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
> Holy BatMan Paul,
> I really didn't realize the speedster and speedwing were that much
different
> Just assumed without really checking over the years........Oops, my
fault
> there, and I appreciate your pointing out the difference. Nothing in
> common means we (I) can't compare the two. Sorry. Glad to be part of the
> discussion and will help when I can. Surprised my buddy from Mikado, Mi.
> didn't jump on me for that fau pax! Hey, Darrel, you alive out there? NO
> names mentioned here.
> Sid
> -------------------------
>
>
> But the Avid Speedwing has a sem-symmetrical airfoil that the Kitfox
doesn't
> have the luxury of, plus was only 24 feet long verses the Kitfox wing of
> 29'+. So while I agree the Speedwing Avid was a little hotrod, we're not
> really comparing apples to apples.
>
> My purpose in asking the question about whether or not the Kitfox IV
> Speedster could really do 130-140 mph was to find out if anyone is
actually
> doing it with their airplane. Apparently there are some owners that are
> doing numbers that are close, but I haven't heard of anyone actually
> attaining the numbers claimed by the writers and the factory (yet).
>
> Paul Seehafer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cruise Speeds
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > Paul, they get 120mph out of the Avid Speedwing with the 582 Rotax,
sounds
> > like the Kitfox should get 130 behind the 912......if real clean and
> faired
> > out.
> > Sid
> > --------------
> >
> > Does anyone know if the Model IV 912ul Speedster really could cruise at
> 130
> > mph like they claimed it would?
> >
> > Previous questions about how to get more speed from our Kitfoxes made me
> > think about this. I have articles where independent aviation writers
> > claimed 125-140 mph speeds from the Speedster, verified by loran / gps.
> And
> > then there are other articles whereas the writers claimed to have
verified
> > 110+ out of the long winged 912ul Model IV. Is this all hipe, or is it
> > really possible? Comments or opinions?
> >
> >
> > Paul Seehafer
> > Wisconsin
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michel, Jabi 2200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Woody (Lew) Moyle" <lew555@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Michel, Jabi 2200
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Michel,
>
> I would take Jimmie up on that info offer, if I were
> you. I just got the March KitPlanes and here is what
> Dave said in a nutshell.
>
> He is working with a good Jabi dealer now and that
> makes a big difference.
>
> Jabiru did some improving on the engine and corrected
> the problems Dave had with it. (Cyl heat and carb)
>
> Dave aleady has a good prop figured from his testing.
>
> Dave has worked out many of the bugs for you in the
> other areas too.
>
> Performance for him is as follows:
> "It is a blast to fly!" he says.
> Good takeoff accelleration and distance.
> Climb of 700-1300 ft/min
> Cruise of 98-102 mph at 3.4 gph
> Max speed of 112-115 mph
>
> He doesn't mention the weight, as far as I have found.
> I didn't see the price either.
>
> What is your VNE? Maybe you will need more of a climb
> prop not to exceed it at full throttle? :-) Or
> should I say, "Oh, boo hoo...?" :-)
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
> > Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > The Jabiru installation is in the last two issues of
> > Kitplane. There is
> > supposed to be one more article in the next issue.
> >
> > If you would like I can scan the articles and email
> > to you. I have talked
> > extensively with the author and owner of the
> > airplane that the article is
> > about. As of now I am planning to install the
> > Jabiru 2200 in the Model IV
> > that I am building. Looks like the key to a good
> > installation is to use the
> > cowling from Skyfox and modify it to fit the Model
> > IV. I would be happy to
> > share the research that I have done on the Jabiru
> > installation and can give
> > you Dave Jalanti's email address. Dave built the
> > Model IV that is featured
> > in the Kitplane article. He is rather pleased with
> > the 2200 and is always
> > willing to help other builders.
> >
> > Let me know how I can help and if you want me to
> > email the articles to you.
> >
> > Jimmie
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
What kind of oil cooler problerms are you talking about. Can't imagine that many
failures. I have a 912ul and 912uls not quite 1000 hours no problems. Clint
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| Subject: | RE: NSI/CAP prop rpm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I think he said it would be fine , just noisy. Don't think I will change the
limiter. I want to get some good numbers with the new engine before I try
the prop VGs. But 4mph is impressive.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: NSI/CAP prop rpm
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
That is what I thought. We have more to go on the
prop rpm. I forgot if Lance offers a 2:1 ratio in his
lineup. That would make it easier.
If you go 2:1, will you limit the rpm at the ignition
to something less than 56-5800 rpm? You will be
beyond Warps suggested tip speed at that rpm and 2:1,
but I don't think it will hurt if you need to use it.
You will still be lower than most efficient in cruise
even at 2:1 and probably just noisy at max rpm.
BTW The new KitPlanes has Vortelator Kits advertised
on page 4. It doesn't say exactly what they are, but
they are supposed to increase prop efficiency for
20-40 more rpm or 2-4 mph. That is a wild claim
without more specifics. I wonder if it isn't just
some dimple tape on the props like we talked about
before.
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> BTW I spoke with Darrell at warp. said they shoot
> for tip speed of 850FPS.
> So if I like the 5200 engine speed and do a 2:1
> reduction that will yield a
> 816FPS. May go 1.9 for 860 tip speed. I can always
> fudge up a bit on RPMs
> if needed. He says we are running the warp props too
> slow for best
> performance. So the math looks like this:
> 5200/2:1=2600X72=187200/229.183=816FPS
>
> Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Dan, sending you some personal contact info for up here in Alpena, Mi. Give
us a call or stop by. Darrel isn't too far from here, or on your way home..
..
----------------------
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dan Sherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
Sid,
Just subscribed as I'm trying to find a kit for next year.
The city "Alpena" caught my eye as I'll be heading there
this Monday.
Dan Sherburn
Spring Lake, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: lite paint HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
>
> Jim,
> I too am here in the cold north....Alpena. Give me a shout and I will
send
> you some of the articles on painting with latex, who is doing it, and how
it
> is being done. My Avid Speedwing is a good example if you're
nearby.......
> .
> Sid
> -------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Warning |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Good to hear you are almost ready for the first flight. If I get the
opportunity I will drop in (fly-in) and see you. Give me your phone
number.
Vic
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norm Beauchamp" <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Warning
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
> I have just discovered I have the same problem as some others have had.
> The blank-it-blank low fuel warn light won't work. I have checked and
> double checked the wiring, and its been right every time. I even removed
> it from the tank and shined a flashlight on it, no light If some has
> one that is not hooked up, would you mind reading the ohms between the
> leads and sending them to me. At least then I'll have some idea of what
> I should see. On the same subject. Anyone know where these are
> manufactured? Maybe it was the shelf life here at the hanger. Hell
> it's only seven years old, but never been used!.
>
> Took my first tail dragger training today. Things are coming together.
> Getting close to taxi time. Thanks Norm
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Thanks Floran and Clint for the response!
Floran, do the two oil cooler mounting brackets attach to the engine at the
four forward engine mount bolts on your Speedster? I'm curious if they are
the same style mounting brackets as the S-6.
Clint, the oil coolers on the Rans S-10 failed to the point that they leaked
and were not repairable.
The reason I asked the question was that the square tubing portion of the
mounting brackets supplied with the oil cooler kit is shorter than the
distance between the mounting flanges on the oil cooler. I'm trying to
decide whether to fill these gaps with AN washers or rubber grommets.
Thanks again,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint
Bazzill
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
<clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
What kind of oil cooler problerms are you talking about. Can't imagine that
many failures. I have a 912ul and 912uls not quite 1000 hours no problems.
Clint
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