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1. 02:30 AM - sport flight rules (broschart)
2. 06:47 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (dmorisse)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question (Ron Carroll)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTM... (Dcecil3@aol.com)
5. 09:20 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question (Tom Jones)
6. 09:45 AM - Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (Steve M)
7. 09:56 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new questionHTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, (Torgeir Mortensen)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new questionHTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, (Torgeir Mortensen)
9. 10:16 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question (Torgeir Mortensen)
10. 10:19 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question (Torgeir Mortensen)
11. 10:26 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question (Torgeir Mortensen)
12. 10:43 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new questionHTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTM... (Dcecil3@aol.com)
13. 10:43 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (Michel Verheughe)
14. 10:45 AM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, (Bob Unternaehrer)
15. 10:47 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? And wing strut fairings. (kurt schrader)
16. 10:49 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (Dcecil3@aol.com)
17. 10:49 AM - Re: Heat transition. (Torgeir Mortensen)
18. 10:50 AM - Re: Heat transition. (Michel Verheughe)
19. 11:13 AM - Re: Let's try to be constructive (Kitfox)
20. 12:09 PM - Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Ron Carroll)
21. 12:12 PM - Re: Let's try to be constructive (Scott McClintock)
22. 12:21 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
23. 12:38 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Ted Palamarek)
24. 12:53 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Clifford Begnaud)
25. 12:57 PM - Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, (Glenn Horne)
26. 02:03 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Randy Daughenbaugh)
27. 02:18 PM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (jareds)
28. 03:27 PM - REMOVE (Bruce Voyles)
29. 04:14 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Torgeir Mortensen)
30. 04:36 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Racing4funn@aol.com)
31. 04:39 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Ted Palamarek)
32. 04:43 PM - Kitfox 5 for sale (Clifford Begnaud)
33. 04:45 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (algate@attglobal.net)
34. 05:17 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Fox5flyer)
35. 06:03 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Roger McConnell)
36. 06:32 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Dee Young)
37. 06:38 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Randy Daughenbaugh)
38. 07:10 PM - Re: Heat transition. (Randy Daughenbaugh)
39. 07:38 PM - CAP-140 digital display (Jeff Smathers)
40. 07:42 PM - Re: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox (Sam Knight)
41. 07:53 PM - Florida Kitfox (Roger Rockwell)
42. 07:59 PM - Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... (Cy Galley)
43. 08:05 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Lowell Fitt)
44. 08:30 PM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Bob Unternaehrer)
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| Subject: | sport flight rules |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
I wonder how long it will take before the new rule's are in use
after the 3 month it'll likely be quite awhile getting the rules
published and instructors approved to sign us off to fly under them
Have a good day - Charlie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Scotty, I installed the Skystar wheel pants and never regretted it. First,
they gave me an increase in cruise speed. Second, I have grass strip that
is muddy in the spring and they keep my airplane clean. And third, they
look nice and give the airplane a finished look.
I installed a baffle behind each tire using 1" blue board foam with a layer
of glass. Works great. I also beefed up the area around the outside bolt
hole that goes into the wheel axle. Other than that I just went by the
Skystar instructions.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scotty <mr.scotty@earthlink.net>
>
> Do any of you guys have any suggestions on mounting wheel pants on a
> Kitfox Vixen. Do they need any beefing up in the corner cuts or a
> baffle in the rear to keep wind from making them flutter. Any
> suggestion will be considered - - except don't do it. They look very
> good.
>
> Scotty
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question |
HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'. Any ideas?
Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and want to
switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the synthetic before
putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir and fill with the
new oil?
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582 rotax?
I
> can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even with
shipping costs added.
<http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less than
$1/pt.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, |
HTM...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
In a message dated 2/11/2004 11:16:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
RonCarr@Qwest.Net writes:
> http://oil-store.com
Typed in the web Addr. went right to it I have AOL But Ought to work in
search mode
D. Cecil
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question |
HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com> HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN,
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
Ron,
I just now clicked on the oil-store.com link in your reply below and it
worked. If you are typing it in, note there is no www in their address. As
for mixing brands of oil I have heard yes and no. Some say don't mix
synthetic with mineral oil. It will turn to jello. Maybe someone that
knows is reading this and will reply. If you do mix the two, you could try
mixing them in a jar and let it set a while to see the results first.
Tom Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking
the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'.
Any ideas?
>
> Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and
want to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the
synthetic before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir
and fill with the new oil?
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
>
>
> Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
<fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582
rotax?
> I
> > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
>
> This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even
with
> shipping costs added.
> <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less
than
> $1/pt.
> Tom Jones
>
>
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| Subject: | Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
On a slightly different subject...
Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be big, obviously, which
might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny, too, but if I was
worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty draggy in themselves...
to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big tundra tires are without
them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and contribute to the slow
speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also working on.
But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big enough to fit on Kitfox
tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my first experience with
foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of (cringe)
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
San Diego, CA
overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new questionHTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, |
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Ron,
Me too, no problem with this link.
Rotax's recommendation is flushing.
Torgeir.
Norway.
Ron Carroll wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'. Any ideas?
>
> Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and want to
switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the synthetic before
putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir and fill with
the new oil?
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
>
> Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582 rotax?
> I
> > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
>
> This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even with
> shipping costs added.
> <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less than
> $1/pt.
> Tom Jones
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new questionHTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, |
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Forgot to mention why not to mix brands.
This is because -between brands there is different components added, mix
of brands can lead to "unpredicted" reaction between this components,
and lubrication qualities "may" be much degraded.
This is important for the rotary valve's closed oil system.
Torgeir.
Tom Jones HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED@matronics.com,
HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE@matronics.com wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com> HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN,
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
>
> Ron,
> I just now clicked on the oil-store.com link in your reply below and it
> worked. If you are typing it in, note there is no www in their address. As
> for mixing brands of oil I have heard yes and no. Some say don't mix
> synthetic with mineral oil. It will turn to jello. Maybe someone that
> knows is reading this and will reply. If you do mix the two, you could try
> mixing them in a jar and let it set a while to see the results first.
> Tom Jones
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
> HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking
> the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'.
> Any ideas?
> >
> > Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and
> want to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the
> synthetic before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir
> and fill with the new oil?
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3/582 - Oregon
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> > From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> > Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
> <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> >
> > > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582
> rotax?
> > I
> > > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
> >
> > This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even
> with
> > shipping costs added.
> > <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less
> than
> > $1/pt.
> > Tom Jones
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Ron,
Me too, no problem with this link.
Rotax's recommendation is flushing.
Torgeir.
Norway.
> Ron Carroll wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'. Any ideas?
> >
> > Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and want
to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the synthetic
before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir and fill with
the new oil?
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3/582 - Oregon
> >
> > Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> > From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> > Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> >
> > > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582
rotax?
> > I
> > > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
> >
> > This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even with
> > shipping costs added.
> > <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less than
> > $1/pt.
> > Tom Jones
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Forgot to mention why not to mix brands.
This is because -between brands there is different components added, mix
of brands can lead to "unpredicted" reaction between this components,
and lubrication qualities "may" be much degraded.
This is important for the rotary valve's closed oil system.
Torgeir.
Tom Jones HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED@matronics.com,
HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE@matronics.com wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
<fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> Ron,
> I just now clicked on the oil-store.com link in your reply below and
it
> worked. If you are typing it in, note there is no www in their
address. As
> for mixing brands of oil I have heard yes and no. Some say don't mix
> synthetic with mineral oil. It will turn to jello. Maybe someone
that
> knows is reading this and will reply. If you do mix the two, you
could try
> mixing them in a jar and let it set a while to see the results first.
> Tom Jones
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll"
<RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried
taking
> > the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'.
> > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and
> > want to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the
> > synthetic before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir
> > and fill with the new oil?
> > >
> > > Ron Carroll
> > > KF3/582 - Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> > > From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> > > Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
> > <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> > >
> > > > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582
> > rotax?
> > > I
> > > > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
> > >
> > > This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even
> > with
> > > shipping costs added.
> > > <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less
> > than
> > > $1/pt.
> > > Tom Jones
> > >
> > >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Forgot to mention why not to mix brands.
This is because -between brands there is different components added, mix
of brands can lead to "unpredicted" reaction between this components,
and lubrication qualities "may" be much degraded.
This is important for the rotary valve's closed oil system.
Torgeir.
Tom Jones HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED@matronics.com,
HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE@matronics.com wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com> HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN,
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
>
> Ron,
> I just now clicked on the oil-store.com link in your reply below and it
> worked. If you are typing it in, note there is no www in their address. As
> for mixing brands of oil I have heard yes and no. Some say don't mix
> synthetic with mineral oil. It will turn to jello. Maybe someone that
> knows is reading this and will reply. If you do mix the two, you could try
> mixing them in a jar and let it set a while to see the results first.
> Tom Jones
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
> HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking
> the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'.
> Any ideas?
> >
> > Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and
> want to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the
> synthetic before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir
> > and fill with the new oil?
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3/582 - Oregon
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> > From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> > Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
> <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> >
> > > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582
> > rotax?
> > I
> > > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
> >
> > This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even
> > with
> > shipping costs added.
> > <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less
> > than
> > $1/pt.
> > Tom Jones
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new questionHTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, |
HTM...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Don't know who ,but Someone was looking for Pennzoil MAKE Sure you use the
oil for Injection Systems.Aircooled oil is a little thicker I don't have a 582
But I Do have a Challenger with a 447 And you can't use (Outboard) injection
oil in it . Guess this is the reason I'm installing a 912 in the Fox
Best to All
David Cecil
KF III# 950
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve M wrote:
> Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
> earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2?
Steve, I am a rookie and I don't know a thing. But I read in a Norwegian
magazine the following test: A Euro Cub (Kitfox look-alike) with Rotax 912.
With 8 inches tyres: 76 knots at 5,000 RPM.
With 4 inches tyres: 78 knots at 5,000 RPM.
The author concludes: With a draggy side-by-side microlight plane, there is
very little to gain in reducing the size of the tyres. In this case, only two knots.
... fairing the struts will probably make the big difference for you.
Cheers,
Michel
Kitfox mod 3 with 582 and naked big tundra tyres. "Big is beautiful!" :-)
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, |
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I think the aeroshell multiweight oils are a blend, but I'd agree, don't
mix. You just can't BROAD STROKE any question that can have serious
consequences. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN" <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>;
<HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED@matronics.com>; <HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
>
> Ron,
> I just now clicked on the oil-store.com link in your reply below and it
> worked. If you are typing it in, note there is no www in their address.
As
> for mixing brands of oil I have heard yes and no. Some say don't mix
> synthetic with mineral oil. It will turn to jello. Maybe someone that
> knows is reading this and will reply. If you do mix the two, you could
try
> mixing them in a jar and let it set a while to see the results first.
> Tom Jones
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
> HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
> >
> > I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking
> the hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'.
> Any ideas?
> >
> > Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and
> want to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the
> synthetic before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the
reservoir
> and fill with the new oil?
> >
> > Ron Carroll
> > KF3/582 - Oregon
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
> > From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> > Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
> <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> >
> > > What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV
582
> rotax?
> > I
> > > can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
> >
> > This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even
> with
> > shipping costs added.
> > <http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less
> than
> > $1/pt.
> > Tom Jones
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? And wing strut fairings. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Steve,
ACS has some wheel pants up to tire size 8.50x10, but
those cost $300 each.
So far I am planning to make my own, but not the
complete coverage type. I use the tire to stand on to
check my fuel, or add fuel. For this reason, I'll
probably make it a streamlined fairing around the
sides and back only. It is the only way I know of to
make any that fit.
As for wing strut fairings, I have just been doing
some figuring and found that a 3" cord or larger
fairing should be able to lift itself at anything
above 35 mph - even the 16 lb ones. Above that you
get a free lift increase while reducing drag for
takeoff, climb out and landing. Probably only a drag
reduction and no lift increase in cruise because KF
don't need more cruise lift. :-) Lift increase was
on the order of 5% for climb. Lots of variables
there, but the end result is that you have less drag
and more lift too.
Kurt S.
--- Steve M <ondeck355@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M"
> <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
> On a slightly different subject...
>
> Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra
> tires that came with
> earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be
> big, obviously, which
> might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny,
> too, but if I was
> worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
>
> Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty
> draggy in themselves...
> to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big
> tundra tires are without
> them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
>
> Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and
> contribute to the slow
> speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also
> working on.
>
> But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big
> enough to fit on Kitfox
> tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my
> first experience with
> foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of
> (cringe)
>
> Steve Maher
> Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
> San Diego, CA
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Hey Steve I've got a 1991 issue of Kitplanes with a Pic of the Pants on a
model 3 with the ATV tires. This plane is a Show winner. Can send it to you if
you like so you can see what yours will look like
Best to All
David Cecil
KF3#950
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| Subject: | Re: Heat transition. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Brian,
Boring, not at all, this stuff is very interesting, IMHO.
And-, the link between aerodynamic's(fluid mechanic's) and
thermodynamic's is quite strong..
Cheers,
Torgeir.
Brian Peck wrote:
> Anyway, sorry to bore you with thermodynamics, but it's in my nature.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian Peck,
> Physics teacher
> Kitfox pilot
> U-2 Test pilot
>
> On Feb 10, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> >> I'm sure you know.. :)
> >
> > Nope! I was only an observation, from looking at the thermometer
> > outside my
> > window, Torgeir. I have several books about meteorology and I have
> > never found
> > that "plateau at 0 degrees" explanation anywhere. Therefore I thank
> > you for
> > confirming it. It sort of made sense but it's always good to get
> > confirmation
> > from a pro.
> >
> > BTW, as a child, my father, who was teaching meteorology to Belgian
> > airmen,
> > showed us a jewel, an animated film Walt Disney studio did during WWII
> > to teach
> > meteorology to allied airmen. I would kill (a form a speech, of
> > course! :-) to
> > get my hand on a copy of this film.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat transition. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Brian Peck wrote:
> Anyway, sorry to bore you with thermodynamics, but it's in my nature.
Bored? The day man is bored with science is the day civilization faces
extinction, Brian. Thank you for enlightening us with those explanations. What
a great thing the internet is, and so much to learn from so many knowledgeable
friends!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Let's try to be constructive |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
Thought I'd add my six penny worth seeing as people are talking about sticks
coming off in their hands, this is a story I was told by a Russian transport
pilot at an airshow over here.
One of the 'old school' instructors who used to train on Yaks had a
favourite trick he used to play on students when they were nervous about
landing. He would disconnect his joy stick, open the canopy and throw it out
of the aircraft leaving the student in no doubt he had to land the aircraft
as his instructor could not do it for him. In the UK we call this character
building
Rumours circulated about his antics and some of the other instructors set
him up by giving one of the students a spare stick taken off another
aircraft and warning him what would happen. When the instructor played his
favourite trick on his (this time suspecting) student, the student took the
spare stick and threw it over board as well with the result his instructor
jettisoned the canopy, climbed out and parachuted safety to the ground
leaving his student who had only a few hours to land the aircraft on his
own!
I don't know how true the story is but it makes me smile when I think about
it, especially when people talk about sticks breaking off.
Happy Kitfoxing
Chris Bates
Kitfox Owners Club (UK)
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| Subject: | Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
. . . That is the question.
Now, having conquered my problem with the flaperon induced roll to the right. I
have a quick question for the experienced KF pilots.
I now have my KF3 flying nearly perfectly. By 'nearly' I mean that there is a
very slight tendency for the right wing to slowly drop while in cruise. I adjusted
the lift struts of the right wing to add a bit more lift, but it hasn't
taken care of the problem. My EAA tech councilor reminds me that 'lift creates
drag'. Therefore, if I increase lift for the right wing, I also create more
drag, resulting in the right wing being 'dragged back'. It seems to be a no-win
situation. Applying left rudder does not have an effect on this, it just
makes the plane fly bit sideways.
My question is: Is it recommended to place a trim tab on a flaperon? Pros? Cons?
Is there some other means of correcting this?
Thanks,
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
RonCarr@Qwest.Net
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
do not archive
And who said that the Brits have a dry sense of humor?
Scott - Nome
Kitfox wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <Kitfox@chrisbates.co.uk>
>
> Thought I'd add my six penny worth seeing as people are talking about sticks
> coming off in their hands, this is a story I was told by a Russian transport
> pilot at an airshow over here.
>
> One of the 'old school' instructors who used to train on Yaks had a
> favourite trick he used to play on students when they were nervous about
> landing. He would disconnect his joy stick, open the canopy and throw it out
> of the aircraft leaving the student in no doubt he had to land the aircraft
> as his instructor could not do it for him. In the UK we call this character
> building
>
> Rumours circulated about his antics and some of the other instructors set
> him up by giving one of the students a spare stick taken off another
> aircraft and warning him what would happen. When the instructor played his
> favourite trick on his (this time suspecting) student, the student took the
> spare stick and threw it over board as well with the result his instructor
> jettisoned the canopy, climbed out and parachuted safety to the ground
> leaving his student who had only a few hours to land the aircraft on his
> own!
>
> I don't know how true the story is but it makes me smile when I think about
> it, especially when people talk about sticks breaking off.
>
> Happy Kitfoxing
>
> Chris Bates
> Kitfox Owners Club (UK)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
at the angle of attack in cruise lift/drag may be linear but not likely to be 1:1.
Try another turn on the lift strut. I kept tinkering until I got it perfect
and gain a HUGE sense of accomplishment. Keep track of the adjustments made,
you can always put it back the way it is.
John Kerr
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> . . . That is the question.
>
> Now, having conquered my problem with the flaperon induced roll to the right.
I
> have a quick question for the experienced KF pilots.
>
> I now have my KF3 flying nearly perfectly. By 'nearly' I mean that there is
a
> very slight tendency for the right wing to slowly drop while in cruise. I
> adjusted the lift struts of the right wing to add a bit more lift, but it hasn't
> taken care of the problem. My EAA tech councilor reminds me that 'lift creates
> drag'. Therefore, if I increase lift for the right wing, I also create more
> drag, resulting in the right wing being 'dragged back'. It seems to be a no-win
> situation. Applying left rudder does not have an effect on this, it just makes
> the plane fly bit sideways.
>
> My question is: Is it recommended to place a trim tab on a flaperon? Pros?
> Cons? Is there some other means of correcting this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
> RonCarr@Qwest.Net
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
John
Could you please send the pictures to me directly as well.
By the way what did Herb eventually find what was causing
his engine to quite on the trip south. I never did see
anything on the list that explained what his problem with
the 912 was. All-be-it I have been away skiing for a while.
Say Hi to Chuck when you see him.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thanks
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
<kingjohn@erols.com>
John,
I'll send you several pictures directly to your e-mail
address.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Ron,
Under the left flaperon, out near the outboard end, try taping a 1/4" dowel
in place or something of that shape. I used a piece of plastic control
linkage tubing from a radio controlled airplane that worked well. Adjust the
length of the piece until it flies perfect. Once you have the right size,
you can attach it with fabric and paint it. Not likely that anyone will ever
notice it.
Cliff
>
> My question is: Is it recommended to place a trim tab on a flaperon?
Pros? >Cons? Is there some other means of correcting this?
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| Subject: | 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, |
HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Should work.
Glenn
Ps- works for me.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Carroll
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - PLUS a new question
HTML_FONTCOLOR_GREEN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
I can't get the link ( http://oil-store.com/ ) to work. I tried taking the
hyphen out, but then went to a site that has nothing to do with 'oil'. Any
ideas?
Also, I am about out of the synthetic oil that came with my plane, and want
to switch over to Pennzoil-2 Stroke. Would I have to flush out the
synthetic before putting in the Pennzoil, or can I just empty the reservoir
and fill with the new oil?
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon
Time: 05:35:36 AM PST US
From: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: 2 stroke oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> What is the best 2 stroke oil to use on a 1997 kitfos model IV 582
rotax?
I
> can't find the pennzoil for air cooled engines.
This place has the best price I have found on two cycle oil, even with
shipping costs added.
<http://oil-store.com/> Penzoil for air cooled 2 strokes is less than
$1/pt.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
As one of many who may be installing an oil cooler on a 912S at some point
in the not too distant future, I am requesting that you post the pictures on
Sport Fllight or the Matronics site if you could. It sounds like a key
issue and your information could be real valuable.
Randy - Series 5/7 and a partially installed 912S
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Palamarek
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
John
Could you please send the pictures to me directly as well.
By the way what did Herb eventually find what was causing
his engine to quite on the trip south. I never did see
anything on the list that explained what his problem with
the 912 was. All-be-it I have been away skiing for a while.
Say Hi to Chuck when you see him.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thanks
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
<kingjohn@erols.com>
John,
I'll send you several pictures directly to your e-mail
address.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
STeve, I ordered some for my tundras from spruce. They still weren't
big enough and ended up shaving them a bit but i think they will work.
I never quite figured out whether i was going to drill my axle or weld a
threaded nut on end of axle nut but did weld brackets on inside.
Definately short on space there. I did put some wing lift fairings on
and a few other things but have not tested a grid for exact speeds yet
from last year! I'm around 90 though with a 582 and the prop set for
wharp speed.
I know it's all a trade off but the brochures said i'd be flying at 105
........ so since then I can ;'t get that out of my brain.
Jared
Steve M wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
>On a slightly different subject...
>
>Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
>earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be big, obviously, which
>might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny, too, but if I was
>worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
>
>Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty draggy in themselves...
>to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big tundra tires are without
>them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
>
>Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and contribute to the slow
>speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also working on.
>
>But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big enough to fit on Kitfox
>tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my first experience with
>foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of (cringe)
>
>Steve Maher
>Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
>San Diego, CA
>
>overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Voyles" <bvoyles1@san.rr.com>
REMOVE
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| Subject: | Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Randy,
Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the oil cooler
for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
Here is the direct link (our site, Sportflight):
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1076544254
By some reason, the last picture was only half a "success", however,
here is another link to a similar picture. Just "roll" down to the last
picture.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1052260109
Torgeir.
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> As one of many who may be installing an oil cooler on a 912S at some point
> in the not too distant future, I am requesting that you post the pictures on
> Sport Fllight or the Matronics site if you could. It sounds like a key
> issue and your information could be real valuable.
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 and a partially installed 912S
>
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Palamarek
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> John
>
> Could you please send the pictures to me directly as well.
> By the way what did Herb eventually find what was causing
> his engine to quite on the trip south. I never did see
> anything on the list that explained what his problem with
> the 912 was. All-be-it I have been away skiing for a while.
> Say Hi to Chuck when you see him.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Thanks
> Ted
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> -
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
> <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> John,
>
> I'll send you several pictures directly to your e-mail
> address.
> --
>
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com
FUCK YOU!!!
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Torgeir
Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
cowling around the propeller hub.
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
Randy,
Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
oil cooler
for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Well, after nearly 5 years of flying our model 5 kitfox it's time to sell
it. We replaced it with another one purchased from Vic Jacko.
The plane is very nice and will serve someone very well. The only reason we
replaced it is because we fly almost exclusively out of high elevation
airports, often heavily loaded, and we needed more power.
The price is a very reasonable $27,500, it has a Rotax 912 xtra (95hp)
freshly overhauled by Lockwood, long wing, warp drive prop, custom built,
expanded aluminum cargo bay and more. Send me an email for more info and
pictures.
There are a few pictures here: http://barefootpilot.tripod.com
Best Regards,
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "algate@attglobal.net" <algate@attglobal.net>
Re message posted by "Racing4funaol.com" - is this guy really part of our
list or has he/she just managed to crash our system.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----------------
From: Racing4funn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com
XXXXXX YOU!!!
<<<<<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I don't know who he is (was), but he's gone now. He shouldn't sugar coat
things so much.
Darrel
List Admin
> Re message posted by "Racing4funaol.com" - is this guy really part of our
> list or has he/she just managed to crash our system.
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
> -----------------
> From: Racing4funn@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:36:18 EST
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com
>
> XXXXXX YOU!!!
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
To the List,
Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a dumb
question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't know
another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator extra
or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run your
electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy answer
to this question.
Roger Mac
S7/912S (maybe by May)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Palamarek
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Torgeir
Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
cowling around the propeller hub.
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
Randy,
Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
oil cooler
for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:31:26 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Way to go Darrel, the list has always been a good place with out that stuff. Thanks
for making a quick move to clear the problem from the list.
Dee Young
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us>>
I don't know who he is (was), but he's gone now. He shouldn't sugar coat
things so much.
Darrel
List Admin
> Re message posted by "Racing4funaol.com" - is this guy really part of our
> list or has he/she just managed to crash our system.
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
> -----------------
> From: Racing4funn@aol.com<mailto:Racing4funn@aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:36:18 EST
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Racing4funn@aol.com<mailto:Racing4funn@aol.com>
>
> XXXXXX YOU!!!
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| Subject: | 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Roger,
There is a small one built into the aft end of the engine with the Mag
chargers. I forget what it produces, but it will do most things. But you
can add another for more capacity, and for more weight, and for less power
to the prop.
Hope you get a better answer than this one.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
To the List,
Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a dumb
question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't know
another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator extra
or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run your
electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy answer
to this question.
Roger Mac
S7/912S (maybe by May)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
Palamarek
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Torgeir
Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
cowling around the propeller hub.
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
Randy,
Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
oil cooler
for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Heat transition. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
The day man is bored with science is the day civilization faces
extinction,
Cheers,
Michel
Hey Michel,
I love it! And it's probably true!
Randy - Recovering scientist.
.
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| Subject: | CAP-140 digital display |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi John,
I emailed another friend my success with the CAP digital prop gauge fix.
I will attach it here. I don't know if is the same problem but it worked on
mine.
After the boot up display it only showed 52 degrees until I put the fix in.
Hello Gene,
>
> I was able to get my pitch display working after tracing it to a failed
component on the
> digital display board.
>
> On the input side of the board near the connector there sits a six pin chip
that functions
> as an isolated signal input device. In short, the signal from the prop that
comes in as
> a frequency wave form signal, goes into this chip and is converted into a
"flashing internal LED",
> that is picked up by a internal sensor that detects its light and then goes
back out as a similar signal waveform.
>
> This protects the sensitive circuts from direct voltages from outside the
box. The weak link in this is the
> LED that burned out....thus no signal to the rest of the circut.
>
> Pins 1 & 2 drive the internal LED and if they are open or shorted it won't
work.
>
> The chip is hard to find, and if you can't locate one I will send you one of
my spares for $8.
> ( I had to pay a premium to resource them and send them ASAP ). If you can
find it, it is
a 4N35 or MCT-2 6 pin optocoupler.
>
> I called the FAA the other day to come and do my airworthiness
inspection...I'll let you know
> how it came out.
>
> Hope to meet you sometime,
>
> Jeff Smathers KF5 Outback N456JT NSI EA-81& CAP140 Empty Wt.
853lbs.
> (503) 829-2594 Home Molalla, OR 97038
John Moody wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Moody" <moodyj@melbpc.org.au>
>
> Alberto
>
> I have a Series 5/ 912S/ CAP140 with about 130 hours on it now - the prop
> has worked great and makes a big difference in performance. However the prop
> gauge has not worked after about 20 hours. I have replaced the circuit board
> in the hub once. While the gauge is not necessary for flight it certainly is
> convenient. Factory support to fix the gauge problem has been non-existant.
>
> Two friends with Glastars have the same problem - Cap works great but gauge
> doesn't.
>
> cheers
>
> John Moody
> Melbourne, Australia
>
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| Subject: | Re: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox |
E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KITFOX\KITFOX~1\KIT2.JPG;
E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KITFOX\KITFOX~1\KIT3.JPG;
E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KITFOX\KITFOX~1\KITPLN.JPG;
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sam Knight <knightair@lv.rmci.net>
Thank you for your inquiry about Kitfox upholstery products and request for
photos. Samples of fabrics will be provided upon request. Please indicate
what type fabric you are interested in and what color range.
As I mentioned before, I have several interior upholstery products for other
models of kitplanes. Prices and photos are available.
If you have any further questions or comments or if you were unable to read
any attachment, please let me know. You may contact me at telephone number
(702) 207-6681 or e-mail: knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention.
As I have attached the price listing and other information below, be sure to
scroll down to find this information.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
__________________
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
"KITFOX" UPHOLSTERY PRODUCTS
VIXEN/
MODELS I, II, MODEL IV/ SERIES 5
MODEL III SPEEDSTER SERIES 6
LITE2 (SQ'D) MODEL IV CS
Seats (*) - - - - - - - $ 275.00 - - - - $ 275.00 - - - $ 375.00
(No Logo) Cordura Cordura Cordura
- - - $ 455.00
Velour
- - - $ 455.00
Tweeds
Optional Baggage
Area Cover - - - - - - STANDARD - - - - STANDARD - - - $ 75.00
Cordura
- - - $ 95.00
Velour
(*) For Seats: Add $ 20.00 for Extended Baggage Area Cover
Floor Carpet - - - - - $ 92.00 - - - - $ 92.00 - - - $ 92.00
Kick Panels - - - - - - $ 62.50 - - - - $ 62.50 - - - $ 65.00
Control Stick
Covers - - - - - - - - N/A - - - - $ 65.00 - - - $ 65.00
Console Cover - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - BY THE YARD
Dash Cover - - - - - - BY THE YARD - - BY THE YARD BY THE YARD
Side Panels - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 38.50
Cordura
- - - $ 49.00
Velour
- - - $ 49.00
Tweeds
Baggage Sacks - - - - - $ 42.00 - - - - $ 90.00 - - - $ 90.00
Cargo Bay - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 225.00
Side Windows (Set) - - $ 35.00 - - - - $ 35.00 - - - N/A
Fuel Site Windows (Set) $ 35.00 - - - - $ 35.00 - - - N/A
Door Panels
Velour - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 157.00
Cordura - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 147.00
Tweeds - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 147.00
Cabin Cover - - - - - - $ 155.00 - - - - $ 155.00 - - - $ 155.00
Tow Covers
(Short) - - - - - - - - $ 57.50 - - - - $ 57.50 - - - N/A
Tow Covers
(Extended Back) - - - - $ 72.50 - - - - $ 72.50 - - - $ 72.50
Back Pads - - - - - - - $ 55.00 - - - - $ 55.00 - - - $ 65.00
Velour
- - - $ 55.00
Cordura
- - - $ 65.00
Tweeds
Booster Cushion - - - - $ 40.00 - - - - $ 40.00 - CALL FOR INFO
Kitfox Lite Seats (No Logo)
2" Seats - - - $ 135.00 - Cordura
$ 155.00 - Velour
$ 155.00 - Tweeds
3" Seats - - - $ 155.00 - Cordura
$ 175.00 - Velour
$ 175.00 - Tweeds
Kitfox Lite Cabin Cover - $ 155.00
Kitfox Lite Tail Tow Pads - $ 65.00
Kitfox Lite Baggage Sacks - $ 75.00
Carpet By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 20.00
Cordura By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 17.50
Velour By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 39.50
Tweeds By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 39.50
Leather - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Call for Information
________________
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
"KITFOX" INFORMATION
SEATS for Model I, II, III, and IV, Lite2 Squared, are a one-piece seat that
velcros in place and are light weight. They come in Cordura fabric only, in
any color combination. Check seat chart for color combination. They also
come with a baggage area cover with flap for easy access to baggage sacks.
The flap has clear pockets sewn on for your documents.
SEATS for Model IV CS, Series 5, Series 6, and Vixen are a four-cushion seat
that velcros into place. They come with fitted pieces that you glue to the
fiberglass seat on center and sides. The bottom and back rest cushions can
be done to any thickness necessary for your comfort for an additional cost.
These seats can be done in Cordura, velour, leather, or tweed materials.
There is an optional baggage area cover for Model IV and earlier Series 5
manufactured before November 1, 1994. The baggage area cover can be done in
Cordura or velour fabrics only.
FLOOR CARPETS are bound on edges with Velcro sewn on. They come with
adhesive Velcro that you stick to the floor of the plane. They have heel
pads sewn on the carpet. I need to send you patterns for Models I, II, III,
and IV for proper fit.
KICK PANELS cover the side of the plane next to the floor area and are made
out of carpet that are bound on the edges with Velcro sewn on the back side.
There is also a separate piece of adhesive Velcro to adhere the panels to
the plane. Series 5 panels come with a clear pocket for your documents.
BAGGAGE SACKS and cargo bays are made of Cordura fabric and come with
adhesive Velcro to adhere to plane.
DOOR PANELS are made out of Lexan panel with one-fourth inch foam with your
choice of fabric. They have pockets sewn on both pilot and co-pilot sides
and glue into place. A pattern needs to be sent to you for proper fit.
CABIN COVERS are made of Evolution 4 fabric and are water repellent and will
not rot or mildew. Nylon straps are sewn on the cover with Velcro sewn on
the ends. The straps wrap around the fuselage and wings to secure the cabin
cover in place. A storage bag is included for the cabin cover. The weight
of the cabin cover and storage bag is approximately three pounds. The
dimensions are approximately 16" X 12" X 3". Colors include shadow gray as
the standard color with optional colors of desert tan and harbor blue.
___________________
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
UPHOLSTERY COLOR CHART
CORDURA
1A - Beige
2A - Yellow
2B - Sunshine Yellow
3A - Orange
4A - Red
5A - Burgundy
6A - Green
6B - Forest Green
7A - Dark Brown
8A - Royal Blue
9A - Gray
10A - Black
VELOUR
V1 - Beige
V2 - Red
V3 - Maroon
V4 - Black
V5 - Gray
V6 - Charcoal
V7 - Royal Blue
V7A- Dark Blue
V8 - Ocean Blue
V9 - Forest Green
V10 - Turquoise
V11 - Mauve
V12 - Brown
TWEEDS
Black
Blue
Gray
Sand
Turquoise
Green
Burgundy
Brown
Teal
CARPET
Black
Red
Blue
Forest Green
Green
Gray
Charcoal
Brown
Beige
Burgundy
LEATHER - Call for Colors Available
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
O R D E R F O R M
To place your order, please call KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC., at
telephone number (702) 207-6681, between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 5:00
P.M. (Pacific Standard Time), Monday through Friday. For your convenience,
you may also copy this order form and mail or fax it to me. When your order
is received, I will call you to review the options and confirm your total
charges (including any applicable shipping and handling charges). For this
purpose, please include your daytime and evening telephone numbers. Thank you!
SOLD TO:
Name: __________________________________________________________
Address: _______________________________________________________
City: ________________ State: ______________ Zip: __________
Telephone: (Day) ________________ (Eves) ____________________
SHIP TO:
Name: __________________________________________________________
Address: _______________________________________________________
(No Post Office Boxes)
City: ________________ State: ______________ Zip: ___________
Telephone: (Day) ________________ (Eves) ____________________
PAYMENT: Money Order _____ Cashier's Check _____
Personal Check _______ MAKE PAYABLE TO SAM KNIGHT.
Model of Plane / Quantity / Description / Color / Price / Total
NO REFUNDS Subtotal _______ FOR
EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ONLY Sales Tax* _______
PRODUCTS DO NOT MEET FAA Shipping and Handling Costs _______
CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS Total _______
*Nevada residents add 7.50% sales tax.
Shipping costs vary and will be included on all orders. To avoid delays,
please do not send payment prior to receiving a confirmed total for your
order. Upholstery products and prices for all items are subject to change.
At 06:50 AM 2/10/2004 EST, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
>I have a 1997 kitfox model 4 . Do you have any pics of your covers and
>interiors?
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger Rockwell <flkitfox@juno.com>
I am leaving Pensacola tomorrow for Marco Island. Anyone along the way
have a Kitfox they want to show off?
Roger Rockwell
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<Commander-List@matronics.com>, <RV8-List@matronics.com>,
<Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>, <Kitfox-List@matronics.com>,
<Tailwind-List@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I just forwarded the messages to abuse@aol.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
<RV8-List@matronics.com>; <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>;
<Kitfox-List@matronics.com>; <Tailwind-List@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched...
> --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
>
> Hi Ed and all,
>
> This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole
> bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got
> through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time
> to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe
> himself.
>
> My appologies.
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin.
>
>
> >--------------
> >Hi Matt,
> >
> >I don't know where the below email came from other than its the
Racing4Funn
> >address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we
set
> >for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and
I'm
> >sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list.
I
> >presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the
> >appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate
> >subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it.
> >
> >Sincerely
> >
> >Ed
> >Ed Anderson
> >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >Matthews, NC
> >
> >
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> >From: <Racing4funn@aol.com>
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| Subject: | Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Roger, there are generator coils at the rear of the engine that put out
about 18 Amps.
It is good for most flying, but will be challenged by position lights and
landing lights.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> To the List,
> Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a
dumb
> question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't
know
> another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
> Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator
extra
> or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
> alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run your
> electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy
answer
> to this question.
>
> Roger Mac
> S7/912S (maybe by May)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
> Palamarek
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir
>
> Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
> whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
> it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
> cowling around the propeller hub.
>
> Ted
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Randy,
>
>
> Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
> oil cooler
> for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Ron,, Is the Ball in the Center?? bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> . . . That is the question.
>
> Now, having conquered my problem with the flaperon induced roll to the
right. I have a quick question for the experienced KF pilots.
>
> I now have my KF3 flying nearly perfectly. By 'nearly' I mean that there
is a very slight tendency for the right wing to slowly drop while in cruise.
I adjusted the lift struts of the right wing to add a bit more lift, but it
hasn't taken care of the problem. My EAA tech councilor reminds me that
'lift creates drag'. Therefore, if I increase lift for the right wing, I
also create more drag, resulting in the right wing being 'dragged back'. It
seems to be a no-win situation. Applying left rudder does not have an
effect on this, it just makes the plane fly bit sideways.
>
> My question is: Is it recommended to place a trim tab on a flaperon?
Pros? Cons? Is there some other means of correcting this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon
> RonCarr@Qwest.Net
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