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1. 12:29 AM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (Ron Carroll)
2. 12:45 AM - Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . (kurt schrader)
3. 01:04 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
4. 03:22 AM - Re: Aericet floats (Paul Seehafer)
5. 05:15 AM - Re: Aericet floats (Gary Algate)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? And wing strut fairings. (Lowell Fitt)
7. 07:11 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: Aericet floats (Kirk's Welding)
9. 07:18 AM - Re: PVC Fairings (Gary Algate)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 for sale (Dcecil3@aol.com)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: Let's try to be constructive (Dcecil3@aol.com)
12. 08:54 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 for sale (Clifford Begnaud)
13. 09:06 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 for sale (Dcecil3@aol.com)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 for sale (Clifford Begnaud)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: 912 overhaul (HOLZY@aol.com)
16. 10:08 AM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (jareds)
17. 10:43 AM - Re: Let's try to be constructive (Randy Daughenbaugh)
18. 12:02 PM - Re: 912 overhaul (Clifford Begnaud)
19. 01:01 PM - BEWARE OF COUNTERFEITS! (Torgeir Mortensen)
20. 01:18 PM - Re: lost name (Mike Chaney)
21. 01:48 PM - EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types). (Torgeir Mortensen)
22. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: lost name (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
23. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: lost name (Michel Verheughe)
24. 02:18 PM - Re: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types). (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
25. 02:22 PM - Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures (Torgeir Mortensen)
26. 02:33 PM - Chance to show off (Scott McClintock)
27. 02:34 PM - List member profile WAS: lost name (Michel Verheughe)
28. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: lost name (Mike Chaney)
29. 03:06 PM - Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures (Roger McConnell)
30. 03:07 PM - Re: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types). (Torgeir Mortensen)
31. 03:17 PM - Re: List member profile WAS: lost name (Howard Firm)
32. 03:52 PM - Re: List member profile WAS: lost name (Scott McClintock)
33. 04:28 PM - Re: List member profile WAS: lost name (Don Pearsall)
34. 04:29 PM - Re: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures (John Oakley)
35. 05:25 PM - tiny tach (Fred Shiple)
36. 06:40 PM - Re: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures (Lowell Fitt)
37. 07:31 PM - Re: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures (Roger McConnell)
38. 10:17 PM - Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Yes, the ball is centered until the right wing dips, then goes off-center.
Ron Carroll
KF3/582
Time: 08:30:31 PM PST US
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Ron,, Is the Ball in the Center?? bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons - To trim or not to trim . . . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Ron,
Great to hear that your plane is so good now that you
have to pick nits. :-)
I was wondering whether you have enough dihedral in
the wings because of your statement below. The
building instructions should give the required amount.
I know that the earlier models had a bit less
directional and roll stability and this may be all it
is. But it would be worth checking to see if the
dihedral is off and if so, to correct it. That may
allow you to pick up a wing with rudder. Then you can
trim the plane better and maybe all your nits will
become microscopic.
Kurt S.
--- Ron Carroll <RonCarr@Qwest.Net> wrote:
...Applying left rudder does not have an effect on
this, it just makes the plane fly bit sideways....
__________________________________
http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
12/02/2004 09:03:52,
Serialize complete at 12/02/2004 09:03:52
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Jared
Where did you get hold of some fairings for the lift struts?
Regards
Roger
jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
Size: 5 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
STeve, I ordered some for my tundras from spruce. They still weren't
big enough and ended up shaving them a bit but i think they will work.
I never quite figured out whether i was going to drill my axle or weld a
threaded nut on end of axle nut but did weld brackets on inside.
Definately short on space there. I did put some wing lift fairings on
and a few other things but have not tested a grid for exact speeds yet
from last year! I'm around 90 though with a 582 and the prop set for
wharp speed.
I know it's all a trade off but the brochures said i'd be flying at 105
........ so since then I can ;'t get that out of my brain.
Jared
Steve M wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
>On a slightly different subject...
>
>Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
>earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be big, obviously, which
>might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny, too, but if I was
>worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
>
>Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty draggy in
themselves...
>to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big tundra tires are
without
>them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
>
>Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and contribute to the
slow
>speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also working on.
>
>But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big enough to fit on Kitfox
>tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my first experience
with
>foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of (cringe)
>
>Steve Maher
>Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
>San Diego, CA
>
>overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aericet floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Gary:
Those Aerocet 1200's are getting harder and harder to find. I really
appreciate you helping me out in finding that set of amphibs in your area,
so if I hear of a set of Aerocets available I will be sure to let you know
first.
But I'm kind of curious why you want a set? Are you wanting amphibs? If
so, I would highly recommend the Czech amphibs as they are readily
available. They offer similar performance as the Aerocet, plus have more
floatation, which frankly the Aerocet is somewhat lacking if you have a
fourstroker under the cowl or like a lot of luxuries in the cabin. A couple
friends fly their Rans S7's on the Czech/Zenair amphibs and have absolutely
marvelous performance with a 912s for power. Weak link of the float? No
gear suspension, just the air in the tires. But not an issue from anyone
that I know operating them, even on grass. Also, they have no locker
storage compartments. But that could be easily remedied either by you and a
tin snips, or the factory when they make them. Also, they are not the
strongest floats ever made (however they are pretty light), but since you
already have experience with Zenairs on your airplane, you already probably
know the good and bad of what you can and can't do with them in rough
water.
I have photos of a Model IV on the Czech amphibs if you are interested.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aericet floats
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Can anyone on the list tell me where I can find a supplier for Aerocet
1200
> floats
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Paul
The floats aren't for me they are for a friend who is nearing completion
with his Lite2 / 912S.
I tend to agree with you re weight aspects etc and will pass on your
comments to him.
And yes I would like to see the photo if you can email it to me.
Thanks and regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Gary:
Those Aerocet 1200's are getting harder and harder to find. I really
appreciate you helping me out in finding that set of amphibs in your area,
so if I hear of a set of Aerocets available I will be sure to let you know
first.
But I'm kind of curious why you want a set? Are you wanting amphibs? If
so, I would highly recommend the Czech amphibs as they are readily
available. They offer similar performance as the Aerocet, plus have more
floatation, which frankly the Aerocet is somewhat lacking if you have a
fourstroker under the cowl or like a lot of luxuries in the cabin. A couple
friends fly their Rans S7's on the Czech/Zenair amphibs and have absolutely
marvelous performance with a 912s for power. Weak link of the float? No
gear suspension, just the air in the tires. But not an issue from anyone
that I know operating them, even on grass. Also, they have no locker
storage compartments. But that could be easily remedied either by you and a
tin snips, or the factory when they make them. Also, they are not the
strongest floats ever made (however they are pretty light), but since you
already have experience with Zenairs on your airplane, you already probably
know the good and bad of what you can and can't do with them in rough
water.
I have photos of a Model IV on the Czech amphibs if you are interested.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? And wing strut fairings. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Kurt, This has been my thoughts also. I have the hubcaps, though and
thought of cantilevering them from the inside with a brake fairing similar
to the way Aircoupe does it. I have a set of the SS supplied pants and was
planning on using the aft end as a mold to make the basic aft fairing and
fabricating the rest.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? And wing strut
fairings.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> ACS has some wheel pants up to tire size 8.50x10, but
> those cost $300 each.
>
> So far I am planning to make my own, but not the
> complete coverage type. I use the tire to stand on to
> check my fuel, or add fuel. For this reason, I'll
> probably make it a streamlined fairing around the
> sides and back only. It is the only way I know of to
> make any that fit.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I've got a set of the PVC fairing's from Skystar if anybody
wants them, best offer + shipping charges. Never used, just
sitting in the garage attic.
Jeff Hays
Original Message:
-----------------
From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
12/02/2004 09:03:52,
Serialize complete at 12/02/2004 09:03:52
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Jared
Where did you get hold of some fairings for the lift struts?
Regards
Roger
jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
12/02/2004 00:15
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
Size: 5 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
STeve, I ordered some for my tundras from spruce. They still weren't
big enough and ended up shaving them a bit but i think they will work.
I never quite figured out whether i was going to drill my axle or weld a
threaded nut on end of axle nut but did weld brackets on inside.
Definately short on space there. I did put some wing lift fairings on
and a few other things but have not tested a grid for exact speeds yet
from last year! I'm around 90 though with a 582 and the prop set for
wharp speed.
I know it's all a trade off but the brochures said i'd be flying at 105
........ so since then I can ;'t get that out of my brain.
Jared
Steve M wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
>On a slightly different subject...
>
>Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
>earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be big, obviously, which
>might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny, too, but if I was
>worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
>
>Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty draggy in
themselves...
>to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big tundra tires are
without
>them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
>
>Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and contribute to the
slow
>speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also working on.
>
>But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big enough to fit on Kitfox
>tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my first experience
with
>foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of (cringe)
>
>Steve Maher
>Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
>San Diego, CA
>
>overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aericet floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
Hello Paul:
I am interested in putting floats on my Classic IV someday. Could you send
me the pictures of your IV with floats as well?
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aericet floats
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Hi Gary:
>
> Those Aerocet 1200's are getting harder and harder to find. I really
> appreciate you helping me out in finding that set of amphibs in your area,
> so if I hear of a set of Aerocets available I will be sure to let you know
> first.
>
> But I'm kind of curious why you want a set? Are you wanting amphibs? If
> so, I would highly recommend the Czech amphibs as they are readily
> available. They offer similar performance as the Aerocet, plus have more
> floatation, which frankly the Aerocet is somewhat lacking if you have a
> fourstroker under the cowl or like a lot of luxuries in the cabin. A
couple
> friends fly their Rans S7's on the Czech/Zenair amphibs and have
absolutely
> marvelous performance with a 912s for power. Weak link of the float? No
> gear suspension, just the air in the tires. But not an issue from anyone
> that I know operating them, even on grass. Also, they have no locker
> storage compartments. But that could be easily remedied either by you and
a
> tin snips, or the factory when they make them. Also, they are not the
> strongest floats ever made (however they are pretty light), but since you
> already have experience with Zenairs on your airplane, you already
probably
> know the good and bad of what you can and can't do with them in rough
> water.
>
> I have photos of a Model IV on the Czech amphibs if you are interested.
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aericet floats
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> >
> > Can anyone on the list tell me where I can find a supplier for Aerocet
> 1200
> > floats
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
> > Gary Algate
> > Lite2/582
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: PVC Fairings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I purchased a set of these fairings and instantly gained almost 8 mph. They
are easy to fit (less than 2 hours) and they can be painted with Automotive
Urethane paint with excellent results. They are a little heavier than most
but I couldn't find anything detrimental.
I would recommend them highly to anyone considering them
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
tires?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I've got a set of the PVC fairing's from Skystar if anybody wants them, best
offer + shipping charges. Never used, just
sitting in the garage attic.
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Cliff I have a 912 I bought used Could you give me a clue as to how Much a
rebuild is for a 912 .I was planning to send it to Lockwood but befor I did I
wanted to know a "Ballpark Figure"
Thanks David Cecil
KF3#950
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| Subject: | Re: Let's try to be constructive |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Glad I Didn't get Flight Training In Russia!!!!!!!European people Must look
Differently at instruction. I was Fifteen Yrs. old My father had a friend who
was a German pilot in WW2. He ask him to take me"Up". John said he would.So to
the Airpark we went where John had a T-34 Beech that belonged to the CAP
Squadron . He sized me up and asked "You get sick?" I said "I don't know" He said
"I gonna make you Sick" ...well he did everything but run that T-34 into the
ground and I didn't get sick , so I guess in his eyes , I was worth teaching!!!!
(I'm 45 now ,Sure glad I didn't get sick) just wish my first flight didn't
have so maney Loops ,Rolls ,and Spins in it , not to mention someone had left
the conopy open and it had rained. First time we went inverted we got blasted
with about 5 gallons of Water! I guess everybody has to indure a little Hell
to get what they want
Best to All
David Cecil
KF3#950
Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
David,
What you ask is impossible to answer. Your overhaul cost will depend upon
what they find. Does it need new pistons, cylinders, heads, camshaft,
crankshaft etc, etc etc? Can they just rework the heads vs. replacing? Is
the crankshaft in good shape, the gear box, the carbs? Is the crankcase
subject to the service bulletin? (cracks)
On mine, the crankcase, crankshaft and camshaft were good, but had to
replace 3 cylinders, two pistons and rework the heads. They replaced
bearings, seals rings etc., trued the valve covers and a few things I can't
remember. I think it was all just under $3000 not including shipping.
However, I had the carbs and gear box overhauled the year before for about
$600 or so. Also, mine had a new stator from the earlier recall and I had a
new oil pump from the previous service bulletin.
My overhaul was required because of foreign object ingestion (washers). The
A&P at Lockwood commented that other than the damage from ingestion, there
was little to no wear on the rest of the engine. The overhaul was done at
952 hours.
They did a great job with a fast turn around. The engine runs like new now.
They even had the Masterkraft high compression pistons in stock!
I recommend them without reservation.
Good luck,
Cliff
PS.- If anyone wonders about the validity of the longer TBO of 1500 hours,
Lockwood told me they have seen engines come in from rental planes with 1800
hours showing little wear.
>
> Cliff I have a 912 I bought used Could you give me a clue as to how Much a
> rebuild is for a 912 .I was planning to send it to Lockwood but befor I
did I
> wanted to know a "Ballpark Figure"
> Thanks David Cecil
> KF3#950
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Thanks Cliff I know it's a matter of what they find. My engine has about 800
Hrs. and I had figured about $4-5,000 as the overhaul price . I built
raceing engines as a kid and know this is best left to experts. I agree with
Lockwoods reputation and will send them my engine
Thanks David
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
David,
Be sure to call Lockwood for help finding a shipper. They may be able to
save you a few $$.
Cliff
>
> Thanks Cliff I know it's a matter of what they find. My engine has about
800
> Hrs. and I had figured about $4-5,000 as the overhaul price . I built
> raceing engines as a kid and know this is best left to experts. I agree
with
> Lockwoods reputation and will send them my engine
> Thanks David
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 overhaul |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: HOLZY@aol.com
Cliff,
I have a model IV that I just purchased in Dec. It was completed in 95 but
has only 80 hours. The person I bought it from, (second owner, not builder)
put on about 25, but only flew it 3 hours in the last 3 years. It seems that he
knew very little about the engine and went by a "if it aint broke don't fix
it" mentality in regards to the recalls & items you mentioned to David (stator,
oil pump, etc). Based on your knowledge of the 912 what recommecdations
could you make as to the immediate necessity of these items. I plan to take it
to
the local Rotax dealer when the weather gets nice, but am wondering about
flying it before then. I haven't even flown it yet as it is not sealed well &
I
live in Wisconsin. The guy that ferried it home for me froze his butt off! I
had hoped to put in an hour here or there with my CFI on semi nice days so I
can have my tailwheel endorsement by spring. Do you think this is wise or
should I wait until the shop can make the updates? I would have been more
reluctant to buy from a guy who seemed to have done so little to it but with only
80 hrs it seemed like a good bet. What are your thoughts?
Mike Holzberger
Milwaukee, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I used wood ones that someone had laying around.
But noticed someone has the pvc available. Wt is the same.
r.thomas@za.pwc.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
>Hi Jared
>
>Where did you get hold of some fairings for the lift struts?
>
>Regards
>Roger
>
>
>jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>12/02/2004 00:15
>
>Please respond to kitfox-list
>
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
>
> Size: 5 Kb
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>STeve, I ordered some for my tundras from spruce. They still weren't
>big enough and ended up shaving them a bit but i think they will work.
>I never quite figured out whether i was going to drill my axle or weld a
>threaded nut on end of axle nut but did weld brackets on inside.
>Definately short on space there. I did put some wing lift fairings on
>and a few other things but have not tested a grid for exact speeds yet
>from last year! I'm around 90 though with a 582 and the prop set for
>wharp speed.
>
>I know it's all a trade off but the brochures said i'd be flying at 105
>........ so since then I can ;'t get that out of my brain.
>
>Jared
>
>Steve M wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>>
>>On a slightly different subject...
>>
>>Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
>>earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be big, obviously, which
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny, too, but if I was
>>worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
>>
>>Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty draggy in
>>
>>
>themselves...
>
>
>>to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big tundra tires are
>>
>>
>without
>
>
>>them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
>>
>>Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and contribute to the
>>
>>
>slow
>
>
>>speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also working on.
>>
>>But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big enough to fit on Kitfox
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my first experience
>>
>>
>with
>
>
>>foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of (cringe)
>>
>>Steve Maher
>>Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
>>San Diego, CA
>>
>>overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Let's try to be constructive |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Neat story! Thanks David.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dcecil3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Let's try to be constructive
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Glad I Didn't get Flight Training In Russia!!!!!!!European people Must look
Differently at instruction. I was Fifteen Yrs. old My father had a friend
who
was a German pilot in WW2. He ask him to take me"Up". John said he would.So
to
the Airpark we went where John had a T-34 Beech that belonged to the CAP
Squadron . He sized me up and asked "You get sick?" I said "I don't know" He
said
"I gonna make you Sick" ...well he did everything but run that T-34 into the
ground and I didn't get sick , so I guess in his eyes , I was worth
teaching!!!!
(I'm 45 now ,Sure glad I didn't get sick) just wish my first flight didn't
have so maney Loops ,Rolls ,and Spins in it , not to mention someone had
left
the conopy open and it had rained. First time we went inverted we got
blasted
with about 5 gallons of Water! I guess everybody has to indure a little
Hell
to get what they want
Best to All
David Cecil
KF3#950
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| Subject: | Re: 912 overhaul |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Mike,
Go to this web site and see which service bulletins are applicable to your
serial number: http://www.rotax-owner.com
If the stator has not been changed, do a thorough inspection of all the
wiring. I'm not positive but I think there was only one known failure and I
think it was caused by using a caustic engine cleaner. I don't know how
serious the oil pump bulletin was. They changed from a rolled drive pin to a
solid one. I have no idea how many failures there were.
One of the major bulletins was the rocker arms. Mine was not subject to it,
but many were.
All the Service bulletins, service letters etc are listed at the above web
site. Surely you don't expect me to recommend flying without taking care of
these service bulletins, do you?
You'll have to make your own judgment about whether or not to fly.
Good luck,
Cliff
>
> Cliff,
>
> I have a model IV that I just purchased in Dec. It was completed in 95
but
> has only 80 hours. The person I bought it from, (second owner, not
builder)
> put on about 25, but only flew it 3 hours in the last 3 years. It seems
that he
> knew very little about the engine and went by a "if it aint broke don't
fix
> it" mentality in regards to the recalls & items you mentioned to David
(stator,
> oil pump, etc). Based on your knowledge of the 912 what recommecdations
> could you make as to the immediate necessity of these items. I plan to
take it to
> the local Rotax dealer when the weather gets nice, but am wondering about
> flying it before then. I haven't even flown it yet as it is not sealed
well & I
> live in Wisconsin. The guy that ferried it home for me froze his butt
off! I
> had hoped to put in an hour here or there with my CFI on semi nice days so
I
> can have my tailwheel endorsement by spring. Do you think this is wise or
> should I wait until the shop can make the updates? I would have been
more
> reluctant to buy from a guy who seemed to have done so little to it but
with only
> 80 hrs it seemed like a good bet. What are your thoughts?
>
> Mike Holzberger
> Milwaukee, WI
>
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| Subject: | BEWARE OF COUNTERFEITS! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Here is an "ALARM", from Westberg, the instrument producer.
http://www.frostalarm.com/cat/clone.html
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
A member of the list e-mailed me concerning my Jabiru 2200 and I accidently
lost the message and name. If they coud resend I would appreciate it. Sorry
to take up space for this.
Mike Chaney
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| Subject: | EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types). |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
You know, you can buy two different types of "SAME" EGT indicator, they
look the same and no visual difference. So, what's the difference?
The difference is in the instrument's P/N., and this tell you about the
calibration temperature, or better, the temperature where the instrument
is "most" accurate.
There is two calibration temperatures, one at 32 deg. F and the other at
70 deg. F. The one calibrated at 32 deg. F. is identified with a "S"
after the P/N., and the 70 deg. F. version has the P/N. without this "S"
index.
The "S" version is said to be used for snowmobiles, the other one is for
our use, -or is it?
Here is a link to Westberg site stating this:
http://www.frostalarm.com/cat/clone.html
Now, here is the question; Why is it necessary to have two calibration
point?
Lots of us, esp. those living in the "inland", can have temperature's
qualifying for the "S" model in the winter, -and the "origin" we are
using in the summer, agree?
Can't we have just one calibration point for all conditions?
A little to remember; An EGT thermocouple system is reading differential
temperature, the different between the cold junction and our EGT probe.
If the actual cockpit temp. is less than the "cal. temp." the indicator
show to high reading, and if the cockpit temp. is higher than the "cal.
temp." the instrument read to low.
Also, the cold junction temperature is said to be the same as the
cockpit temperature, is it? And-, how many of us have a thermometer for
cockpit temperature?
Well, you've got something to ponder about for the weekend (, if the
weather is bad) :) ...
Regards,
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
An easy way to get list member email address is to go to the list
archives on the matronics website, they're all there in the archives
if they posted anything.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Mike Chaney mdps_mc@swoca.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: lost name
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
A member of the list e-mailed me concerning my Jabiru 2200 and I accidently
lost the message and name. If they coud resend I would appreciate it. Sorry
to take up space for this.
Mike Chaney
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| Subject: | Re: RE: lost name |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mike Chaney wrote:
> A member of the list e-mailed me concerning my Jabiru 2200 and I accidently
> lost the message and name. If they coud resend I would appreciate it. Sorry
> to take up space for this.
I was inquiring about the Jabiru 2200, Mike, especially about the modifications
that was needed to the cowling on a model 3. I saw your pictures on Jabiru USA
site and I noticed that you had to extend its length. I also noticed that your
cowling is pointing a bit up.
Any comment your have on that would be welcomed.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types). |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hey Torgeir -
Fair enough, but how would you verify the accuracy of your EGT at say
1200-1400F, which is a fairly typical range?
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Torgeir Mortensen torgemor@online.no
Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types).
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
You know, you can buy two different types of "SAME" EGT indicator, they
look the same and no visual difference. So, what's the difference?
The difference is in the instrument's P/N., and this tell you about the
calibration temperature, or better, the temperature where the instrument
is "most" accurate.
There is two calibration temperatures, one at 32 deg. F and the other at
70 deg. F. The one calibrated at 32 deg. F. is identified with a "S"
after the P/N., and the 70 deg. F. version has the P/N. without this "S"
index.
The "S" version is said to be used for snowmobiles, the other one is for
our use, -or is it?
Here is a link to Westberg site stating this:
http://www.frostalarm.com/cat/clone.html
Now, here is the question; Why is it necessary to have two calibration
point?
Lots of us, esp. those living in the "inland", can have temperature's
qualifying for the "S" model in the winter, -and the "origin" we are
using in the summer, agree?
Can't we have just one calibration point for all conditions?
A little to remember; An EGT thermocouple system is reading differential
temperature, the different between the cold junction and our EGT probe.
If the actual cockpit temp. is less than the "cal. temp." the indicator
show to high reading, and if the cockpit temp. is higher than the "cal.
temp." the instrument read to low.
Also, the cold junction temperature is said to be the same as the
cockpit temperature, is it? And-, how many of us have a thermometer for
cockpit temperature?
Well, you've got something to ponder about for the weekend (, if the
weather is bad) :) ...
Regards,
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Ted,
Yes, this was my first comment, however, they have some holes cutted out
into the lower front cowl. Also, up here at 69 deg North, high oil
temperature is -more or less, a "nonexistent" problem. .. :) ..
Torgeir.
Ted Palamarek wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir
>
> Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
> whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
> it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
> cowling around the propeller hub.
>
> Ted
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Randy,
>
> Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
> oil cooler
> for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
>
> Torgeir.
>
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| Subject: | Chance to show off |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Hey Guys,
I'm looking for someone on the list who lives close to Sunnyvale, CA.
for a "modeling" mission.
I'm having a cowl cover made for my Model V smooth cowl and they don't
have a pattern.
"Bruce's Custom Covers" says if I can get a model to stand in, they can
make one for me.
Any volunteers? I'll buy the gas?
Let me know and I'll fill you in on the details.
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | List member profile WAS: lost name |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote:
> An easy way to get list member email address is to go to the list
> archives on the matronics website, they're all there in the archives
> if they posted anything.
... which reminds me: Do we have a place on this list where we can leave our
profile? It could be nice if we could have our names, plane, photos of the
plane/ourselves somewhere. We know each other but we don't know how we look
like, nor our ages. Well, some of you do because you met in real life but the
chances that I meet any of you (maybe Torgeir) are minimal. Unless, of course,
you come to Norway.
Does Matronics provide such a profile database?
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Michel
The cowling (Model IV) was a tough job compared to the installation of the
engine. I had to lengthen the the bump cowling by about five inches and
widen it by one-half to three quartes if an inch. I cut the top half of the
bump cowling in half and the same to the bottom cowling. I basically had the
bump cowling cut into quarters. Jabiru provides a fiberglass insert which
fits into the front opening in the cowling. This had to be enlarged because
I widened the other cowling. Lastly I had to double the airflow exit which
was the easiest of all the cowling modifications. Half of the lower aft
cowling was already open and all I had to do was continue the opening all
the way across the bottom.
I found that in the process of modifying the cowling that I got to a point
where if I fixed one thing something else would change. I finally decided
that a slight pitch up was the best of all the other options. In fact I
kind of like the look, I may change my story, I designed it that way.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: lost name
I was inquiring about the Jabiru 2200, Mike, especially about the
modifications
that was needed to the cowling on a model 3. I saw your pictures on Jabiru
USA
site and I noticed that you had to extend its length. I also noticed that
your
cowling is pointing a bit up.
Any comment your have on that would be welcomed.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Hi Lowell,
will need to add a seperate alternator. Has anybody on the list run in to
this problem? I have installed strobes on my wing tips. Do I now need to by
a seperate alternator to run them?..................thanks
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Roger, there are generator coils at the rear of the engine that put out
about 18 Amps.
It is good for most flying, but will be challenged by position lights and
landing lights.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> To the List,
> Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a
dumb
> question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't
know
> another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
> Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator
extra
> or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
> alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run your
> electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy
answer
> to this question.
>
> Roger Mac
> S7/912S (maybe by May)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
> Palamarek
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir
>
> Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
> whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
> it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
> cowling around the propeller hub.
>
> Ted
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Randy,
>
>
> Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
> oil cooler
> for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types). |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Jeff,
(Long time, long seen..)
Now, first to the "go - no go item", yes this is the probe with it's
cable, this one work correctly or simply not working at all.
So, everything to check for, is the accuraty of the indicator. Here we
use a millivolt generator, at last able to give some 40 mV, also we'll
need a resistor to compensate for the missing (EGT) probe with cable
during the test.
There is two kind of thermocouple preferred to use, iron/constantan and
chromel/alumel. The first one is less expensive, have a little less max.
usage temperature than the chromel/alumel. The less exp. is mostly used
in our kind of aircraft.
To do the calibration we need the correct table to use for our kind of
thermocouple, mV (milli Volt) to temperature in deg. F. or deg. C. Those
tables can easily be found on the internet.
Now we use the millivolt-generator with the compensating resistor in
serial (with the positive output from the millivolt generator).
The voltage we use here is the correct one, and we must remember to
add/subtract the comp. temp.
Here is a link to Westberg with chromel/alumel (and more) as an example:
http://www.frostalarm.com/cat/airworth.html
Cheers,
Torgeir.
"jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
> Hey Torgeir -
>
> Fair enough, but how would you verify the accuracy of your EGT at say
> 1200-1400F, which is a fairly typical range?
>
> Jeff
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Torgeir Mortensen torgemor@online.no
> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:50:00 +0100
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (Westberg types).
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> You know, you can buy two different types of "SAME" EGT indicator, they
> look the same and no visual difference. So, what's the difference?
>
> The difference is in the instrument's P/N., and this tell you about the
> calibration temperature, or better, the temperature where the instrument
> is "most" accurate.
>
> There is two calibration temperatures, one at 32 deg. F and the other at
> 70 deg. F. The one calibrated at 32 deg. F. is identified with a "S"
> after the P/N., and the 70 deg. F. version has the P/N. without this "S"
> index.
>
> The "S" version is said to be used for snowmobiles, the other one is for
> our use, -or is it?
>
> Here is a link to Westberg site stating this:
>
> http://www.frostalarm.com/cat/clone.html
>
> Now, here is the question; Why is it necessary to have two calibration
> point?
>
> Lots of us, esp. those living in the "inland", can have temperature's
> qualifying for the "S" model in the winter, -and the "origin" we are
> using in the summer, agree?
>
> Can't we have just one calibration point for all conditions?
>
> A little to remember; An EGT thermocouple system is reading differential
> temperature, the different between the cold junction and our EGT probe.
>
> If the actual cockpit temp. is less than the "cal. temp." the indicator
> show to high reading, and if the cockpit temp. is higher than the "cal.
> temp." the instrument read to low.
>
> Also, the cold junction temperature is said to be the same as the
> cockpit temperature, is it? And-, how many of us have a thermometer for
> cockpit temperature?
>
> Well, you've got something to ponder about for the weekend (, if the
> weather is bad) :) ...
>
> Regards,
>
> Torgeir.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Michel, here is kind of what you're looking for;
www.sportflight.com/kitfoxlistmembers/
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Michel,
That's probably an OK idea for some of us, but speaking for myself, I've got a
bad
case
of Beauty Challenged going. (I think my mom musta' beat me with a Big Ol' Ugly
Stick!)
Too hideous for mixed company. The only way I get to go to other people's houses
is to fly
over them! It's pretty pathetic when the polar bears turn and run away. I kinda'
smell bad too, but then
that's why I'm on the internet because I actually stink over the telephone.
I guess I could leave out actual pictures of myself......sounds like a good idea,
the Piper Cub guys (or is that gays?, not really)
have something like that.
Scott
do not archive
Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> "jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote:
> > An easy way to get list member email address is to go to the list
> > archives on the matronics website, they're all there in the archives
> > if they posted anything.
>
> ... which reminds me: Do we have a place on this list where we can leave our
> profile? It could be nice if we could have our names, plane, photos of the
> plane/ourselves somewhere. We know each other but we don't know how we look
> like, nor our ages. Well, some of you do because you met in real life but the
> chances that I meet any of you (maybe Torgeir) are minimal. Unless, of course,
> you come to Norway.
> Does Matronics provide such a profile database?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | List member profile WAS: lost name |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Matronics does not have a profile database, and Matt and I have been in
discussion about this. I am programming a profile database that will enable
all to enter their profile as information that others can see. The main use
of this is to eliminate the many messages we get such as "are there any
Kitfox owners in Florida?" It is almost there, so you can expect it to be
online in a week or two.
I will keep you informed when it is online.
Thanks
Don Pearsall
KF List Admin.
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| Subject: | Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Roger,
I have one of the most electrical sucking kitfox ever made. Lowell can atest
to this. It has
moving maps strobe mav lite interior lites transponder eis encoder , ok i
will stop, but it is loaded.
At nite I dont taxi with everything on but have no problem running
everything once in the air.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Hi Lowell,
will need to add a seperate alternator. Has anybody on the list run in to
this problem? I have installed strobes on my wing tips. Do I now need to by
a seperate alternator to run them?..................thanks
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Roger, there are generator coils at the rear of the engine that put out
about 18 Amps.
It is good for most flying, but will be challenged by position lights and
landing lights.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> To the List,
> Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a
dumb
> question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't
know
> another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
> Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator
extra
> or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
> alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run your
> electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy
answer
> to this question.
>
> Roger Mac
> S7/912S (maybe by May)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
> Palamarek
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir
>
> Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
> whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
> it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
> cowling around the propeller hub.
>
> Ted
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Randy,
>
>
> Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
> oil cooler
> for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Can any one tell me which Tiny Tach model - 1C or 2C - works on the 912S? It looks
like the 2C to me, but I'm beginning to learn to ask questions first.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Roger, I agree with John, Though I don't fly much at night, I have
everything but the landing lights and with the engine turning cruise RPM, no
problem with everything on.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Hi Lowell,
> will need to add a seperate alternator. Has anybody on the list run in to
> this problem? I have installed strobes on my wing tips. Do I now need to
by
> a seperate alternator to run them?..................thanks
> Roger Mac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Roger, there are generator coils at the rear of the engine that put out
> about 18 Amps.
>
> It is good for most flying, but will be challenged by position lights and
> landing lights.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> >
> > To the List,
> > Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a
> dumb
> > question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't
> know
> > another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
> > Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator
> extra
> > or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
> > alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run
your
> > electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy
> answer
> > to this question.
> >
> > Roger Mac
> > S7/912S (maybe by May)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
> > Palamarek
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
<temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Torgeir
> >
> > Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
> > whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
> > it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
> > cowling around the propeller hub.
> >
> > Ted
> > Edmonton, Ab
> >
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> > <torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > Randy,
> >
> >
> > Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
> > oil cooler
> > for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
> >
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Umm, I guess the admin. bleeped the first part of my post. Any way thanks
John and Lowell for the info. I'll try not to add too much to my panel once
I get to that point, as I don't want to add an extra alt. to my engine.
Roger
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Roger, I agree with John, Though I don't fly much at night, I have
everything but the landing lights and with the engine turning cruise RPM, no
problem with everything on.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax alternator was Oil Cooler Failures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Hi Lowell,
> will need to add a seperate alternator. Has anybody on the list run in to
> this problem? I have installed strobes on my wing tips. Do I now need to
by
> a seperate alternator to run them?..................thanks
> Roger Mac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Roger, there are generator coils at the rear of the engine that put out
> about 18 Amps.
>
> It is good for most flying, but will be challenged by position lights and
> landing lights.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> >
> > To the List,
> > Ok, I'm going to ask what I'm sure most of you will think is a
> dumb
> > question but sense I don't even have an engine for my fox yet, I don't
> know
> > another way to find out except to ask. My question is this.
> > Where is the alternator on these Rotax 912S engines? Is the alternator
> extra
> > or optional? Looking at the pictures Torgeir posted, I do not see an
> > alternator on these engines. How do you recharge the battery and run
your
> > electrical system with this type of engine? I'm sure there is a easy
> answer
> > to this question.
> >
> > Roger Mac
> > S7/912S (maybe by May)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted
> > Palamarek
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
<temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Torgeir
> >
> > Neat installation -- but I am wondering if on a hot day
> > whether you would get enough air flow through the cooler as
> > it is not directly in the air stream entering through the
> > cowling around the propeller hub.
> >
> > Ted
> > Edmonton, Ab
> >
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912-S Oil Cooler Failures
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> > <torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > Randy,
> >
> >
> > Her is a few pictures how my friend, Arnulf, installed the
> > oil cooler
> > for a 912S into a model 4/1200.
> >
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants for tundra tires? |
13/02/2004 06:16:09,
Serialize complete at 13/02/2004 06:16:09
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Jeff
Please can you confirm if your fairings will fit a model II. I did e-mail
SS sometime back and they responded that they did not have retrofit
fairing for a model II.
Regards
Roger
"jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
12/02/2004 17:11
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
Size: 7 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I've got a set of the PVC fairing's from Skystar if anybody
wants them, best offer + shipping charges. Never used, just
sitting in the garage attic.
Jeff Hays
Original Message:
-----------------
From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
12/02/2004 09:03:52,
Serialize complete at 12/02/2004 09:03:52
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Jared
Where did you get hold of some fairings for the lift struts?
Regards
Roger
jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
12/02/2004 00:15
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Pants for tundra tires?
Size: 5 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
STeve, I ordered some for my tundras from spruce. They still weren't
big enough and ended up shaving them a bit but i think they will work.
I never quite figured out whether i was going to drill my axle or weld a
threaded nut on end of axle nut but did weld brackets on inside.
Definately short on space there. I did put some wing lift fairings on
and a few other things but have not tested a grid for exact speeds yet
from last year! I'm around 90 though with a 582 and the prop set for
wharp speed.
I know it's all a trade off but the brochures said i'd be flying at 105
........ so since then I can ;'t get that out of my brain.
Jared
Steve M wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
>On a slightly different subject...
>
>Has anyone ever put wheel pants on the giant tundra tires that came with
>earlier Kitfoxes like my Model 2? They'd have to be big, obviously, which
>might mean they could weigh a lot. Would look funny, too, but if I was
>worried about looks I'd be flying a P-51.
>
>Some say that such big wheel pants would be pretty draggy in
themselves...
>to which I reply, think how draggy the just-as-big tundra tires are
without
>them! I can get about 60 mph IAS cruise, tops.
>
>Of course, the round wing struts are draggy too, and contribute to the
slow
>speeds. That's a seperate issue, that I'm also working on.
>
>But does anyone know where to get wheel pants big enough to fit on Kitfox
>tundra tires? Or do I have to make them? Would be my first experience
with
>foam and fiberglas, or whatever they're made of (cringe)
>
>Steve Maher
>Kitfox Model 2 "Bigfoot", Geo Metro engine
>San Diego, CA
>
>overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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