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1. 12:50 AM - Re: engine mount mis-alignment (JMCBEAN)
2. 01:02 AM - Re: Kitfox Dream (kurt schrader)
3. 01:47 AM - Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster (kurt schrader)
4. 01:54 AM - Re: Re: Back on the list (kurt schrader)
5. 04:15 AM - Re: engine mount mis-alignment (Grant Fluent)
6. 04:45 AM - Re: Kitfox Maintenance (Bob Unternaehrer)
7. 05:44 AM - Re: Temperature on a 582 (jareds)
8. 06:07 AM - Re: (off-topic) What a nice day! (Gary Algate)
9. 06:07 AM - Re: Temperature on a 582 (michel)
10. 06:16 AM - (off-topic) So Cold! WAS Back on the list (michel)
11. 06:46 AM - Re: Thank you (Gary Algate)
12. 06:58 AM - Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster (Tom Jones)
13. 07:18 AM - Re: engine mount mis-alignment (Lowell Fitt)
14. 07:52 AM - Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster (Jimmie Blackwell)
15. 08:11 AM - Re: Kitfox Maintenance - Sport Plane Gross Wt? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
16. 09:10 AM - Re: Kitfox Maintenance - Sport Plane Gross Wt? (JMCBEAN)
17. 09:10 AM - Re: engine mount mis-alignment (JMCBEAN)
18. 09:36 AM - Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster (Jimmie Blackwell)
19. 09:45 AM - Re: engine mount mis-alignment (Arthur Nation)
20. 10:21 AM - Re: Kitfox Dream (Arthur Nation)
21. 11:04 AM - Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster (Grant Fluent)
22. 11:19 AM - Re: Kitfox Dream (kurt schrader)
23. 11:39 AM - REPLY 2 ---BRS Chute Installation (Barry Huston)
24. 11:53 AM - Re: Kitfox Dream (Gary Algate)
25. 12:47 PM - Unfinished Kitfox 6 For Sale (Tom Edwards)
26. 01:31 PM - Re: (off-topic)Virtual aviation (Michel Verheughe)
27. 01:37 PM - Winter weather (Michel Verheughe)
28. 02:01 PM - Re: Tri-Gear Nose Weights? (Dcecil3@aol.com)
29. 02:01 PM - Re: Temperature on a 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
30. 03:06 PM - Re: engine mount mis-alignment (Roger McConnell)
31. 04:05 PM - Model 3 with VW peformance (Paul Seehafer)
32. 04:10 PM - Re: (off-topic)Virtual aviation (Paul Seehafer)
33. 05:49 PM - Re: Model 3 with VW peformance (Bob Unternaehrer)
34. 05:53 PM - Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster (Randy Daughenbaugh)
35. 06:07 PM - Re: (off-topic)Virtual aviation (Fred Shiple)
36. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: Back on the list (Marc Arseneault)
37. 09:13 PM - Re: Model 3 with VW peformance (Marc Arseneault)
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| Subject: | engine mount mis-alignment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Jeff,
Congrats !!! You'll enjoy flying it....
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Smathers
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi All,
I am waiting for the FAA to comeout in 2 weeks and inspect my Kitfox 5
Outback. I also have the NSI EA-81 and CAP 140 (display now working),
and I have been taxi testing my airplane today, and really enjoying the
handling
of the aircraft and the reponse of the NSI engine.
Speaking of bolt - up with the engine and airframe, I thought since they
are
aircraft parts they all go together without alignment problems. Mine
certainly
did!
My empty weight BTW is Rt 411 lbs. / Lt 391 lbs / Tail 51 lbs. (853
total)
the tail is a bit heavy cause I put a 26 lb. Genesis battery back there...!
my Empty Wt. CG is at 12.73 (Limits 9.96 - 14.75 )
Jeff Smathers Molalla, OR.
kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Arthur,
>
> Do not archive.
>
> I am no welder, but I would be embarrassed if I welded
> a mount and let it spring that far out coming off the
> jig. I wonder if the mounts were stress relieved?
>
> If I were President of SS, I would ask - no beg John
> King to do my quality assurance program and be shop
> steward. When we get tired of drill sgt John kicking
> our be-hinds for sloppy work, we'd send him off on
> another well organized gaggle to Alaska, etc to sell
> the KitFox dream. Bet there'd be none of this "It
> don't fit" stuff going out the door fer sure! Have
> you all seen his work? We'd have two more space
> shuttles now if John were in charge there.
>
> There would be some others on this list I would beg to
> work at SS too. In just a few years of work and
> reputation building, NASA would be coming to SS for
> their next Rover. The smartest thing I could do as SS
> president is listen to you guys on this list and blast
> ahead of the competition with your ideas.
>
> Well, in my dreams anyway.
>
> I do believe that the NSI mounts are consistantly
> better than you are getting from SS. Lance farms a
> lot of work out after he has designed it, but he is
> very careful about their quality. The NSI's cowling
> is also better. NSI primarily makes parts for Boeing
> and other serious companies so NSI quality is standard
> practice for them.
>
> I have just begun to do my test flying with my NSI
> engine. There are 10.2 hrs total with about 3 of them
> flying hrs. With just me and partial tanks, I am very
> close to the forward CG limit. That is where I like
> it because it gives me the most cargo flexability. It
> also make the plane handle very well, but I will
> install the elevator gap seal to give me a little more
> aft stick for landing. Haven't done any flap landings
> yet, but I think I will run out of aft stick unless I
> pretrim a little more nose up for slow flight. There
> is no stick left to "plant it" on landing otherwise.
> But that is near empty and no gap seals.
>
> Though the Soob is heavier than the Rotax, it was
> lighter than I thought. I expected the all up wet
> weight to be heavier than Lance advertises because
> that is usual for engine builders, but I actually came
> out a few pounds lighter. If you bought his normally
> asperated engine, you could have it mounted and
> flyable (without cowl painting) in a week. He says 30
> hrs of work. His setup is not built to the turbo
> model, last I saw, and that takes additional time for
> some modifications.
>
> I suppose you have already prepaid SS for the engine?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kurt,
> > Yes the engine mount is the correct version, I
> > think!! Apparently the welding
> > process leaves the mounting holes out of alignment.
> > I really don't understand
> > this as a jig is used. Perhaps the stresses from
> > welding distort the frame
> > after cooling and release from the jig.
> > The firewall holes are near perfect.
> > I am really thinking of something besides the 912S
> > that I have ordered, but
> > don't expect to get.
> > How many hrs do you have on yours and do you find
> > your plane 'nose-heavy' as one other person
> > commented?
> > Arthur
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Dream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey John,
You caught me. I have been making confessions all
week and I am not even married. :-) But yes, I am
anxious to go and willing to let you pave the way
while I hunt the scenery like a dog. Guess I didn't
hide the hint well enough. ;-)
And my sister lives in FT Pierce, your last jumping
off point. Might make arrangements easier.
But I am not ready to go across the pond just yet.
Maybe next year. I haven't trusted this plane so far
to a 30 minute X-county since I only have 3 air hrs
total on it.
And please consider at least one more to Alaska some
time. And someone mentioned the memorial Mexico trip
too. I think I was first on the list for his CD's.
So don't let your flight planning get rusty. I'm
counting on you.
It's this job thing ya know. :-(
Imagine - I can't wait to retire from this airline job
so that I can have the time to fly my plane! 35,000
feet just doesn't cut it. And look out! He's pulling
a 1.0002 G load! At least the boxes don't complain
back there.
Kurt S. KitFox student pilot
--- "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com> wrote:
> Kurt,
>
> I get the feeling that you might be ready to take
> your flying machine on a nice long flying adventure.
I have been to Alaska twice and as far
> north as one can go in the USA. However, I have not
> given up on the Bahamas trip. If I can find at
> least two other aircraft of any make and
> model that want to make the trip, I am out of here.
> I 'm sick and tired of the cold weather we are now
> having in Virginia and the warmer weather
> in the Bahamas looks very inviting. Why not give
> that NSI you fly behind a real test and lets all
> head south for some real fun.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Jimmie,
I think my SS instructions were that old too.
Where are you in the process? At the point of
installing the wing mounts at the root and the spar
mounts for the lift struts?
Or all done with that and hanging and adjusting the
wings on the struts?
I think the first, so I would say that you need to
take the time to level the plane really well and
measure everything 3 times or more. This is the time
to get it exact. Same when you rig the flight
controls. These times have the most to do with
straight, comfortable flying.
It is a good idea to pick a point that you can level
from when the plane is done so that you stay
consistant with future leveling.
Have a lot of duct tape and don't be afraid to use it.
Have both wings hanging on the fuselage, if you can,
to keep it level while you adjust. You need to do
both wings together anyway.
Measure from the tips to the verticle stab at a common
point to keep the sweep even. Now is a good time to
make sure your verticle stab is straight!
Make a blind hole finder for that front fuselage to
spar mount. That really helped me get it lined up for
a good fit. If you want, I'll describe mine for you.
If you are mounting the lift strut brackets on the
wings, make sure that your rivet holes do not line up
with the verticle wing spar web inside. The front
ones can be trouble. Every rivet counts and must line
up OK.
Any time you change one thing, check all your other
measurements again. Keep it straight.
I did a bit of a dry run one day to make sure I had
everything I needed and only drilled the rear spar
carry thru attachment holes. I only drilled the top
holes first until it was all aligned. Then I got it
all done the next time I had a good day to do it.
When it was all aligned. I drilled thru for the
bottom spar holes too. Finally pull your reamer thru
to make the holes just tight.
You need a good helper. Can't do this well without
someone who double checks you. At least I can't.
Hope that helps.
Kurt S.
--- Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
> Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am approaching the most dreaded part of building
> so far, wing rigging. My wings are quick builds
> and all appears well except bottom false ribs
> protruding below the rib caps, which I have fixed.
>
> Wondering if any of you have any advice or
> experience beyond the instructions contained in the
> Skystar manual and Service letter 27B pertaining to
> setting dihedral, sweep and twist.
>
> My kit and manual are 1994 vintage.
>
> Would appreciate any and all of your thoughts and
> advice.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Back on the list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Welcome back Marc,
Seems that Canada is a good place for KitFoxes. The
two just seem to go together. Good planes for places
of adventure and Canada has a lot to explore.
Maybe we can get you to compete with Torgier and
Michel, both of Norway, and our Alaska buddies, for
the best stories from the North. :-) Inspire the
builders and tinkerers?
Kurt S.
--- Marc Arseneault <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> After a few months of being off the list, I have
> re-joined.
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| Subject: | Re: engine mount mis-alignment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
I kind of assumed the money was gone but didn't want
to come out and say it...
--- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@c-magic.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> <<<I don't understand why they are having trouble
> delivering an engine that is already paid for?>>>>
>
> MONEY'S Gone!!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Arthur,
> > I also had to tweak my engine mount a little to
> get
> > it to fit (Classic IV 912S). Two of the five
> mounting
> > points were off about 1/4".
> > As for the 912S, IMHO I would stay with your
> > original plan. If you decide on a different
> engine,
> > you'd still have to get your money back from
> Skystar.
> > I don't understand why they are having trouble
> > delivering an engine that is already paid for?
> When I
> > heard about your problem and some others, I did
> not
> > have an engine and did some checking with the
> Rotax
> > service centers to see if getting an engine was a
> > problem. All of them either had the 912S in stock
> or
> > could get one in about a week or two. I purchased
> my
> > 912S from Leading Edge Air Foils in Wisconsin. It
> came
> > in about a week.
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
> >
> >
> > --- Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net> wrote:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation
> > > <anation@w-link.net>
> > >
> > > On Friday 13 February 2004 22:58, kurt schrader
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kurt,
> > > Yes the engine mount is the correct version, I
> > > think!! Apparently the welding
> > > process leaves the mounting holes out of
> alignment.
> > > I really don't understand
> > > this as a jig is used. Perhaps the stresses from
> > > welding distort the frame
> > > after cooling and release from the jig.
> > > The firewall holes are near perfect.
> > > I am really thinking of something besides the
> 912S
> > > that I have ordered, but
> > > don't expect to get.
> > > How many hrs do you have on yours and do you
> find
> > > your plane 'nose-heavy' as
> > > one other person commented?
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt
> schrader
> > > > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Arthur,
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if they just sent an engine mount for
> the
> > > > wrong series plane? Is it for the -7 for
> sure?
> > > Does
> > > > the firewall match the plane and it is only
> the
> > > mount
> > > > that is off? Or does nothing match?
> > > >
> > > > Kurt S.
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Maintenance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
What's the gross weight of your plane (series 5/7) Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Clem,
> I had a DAR tell me a few weeks ago that I should register my plane as an
> experimental because if my health changes and I can't get a physical, I
can
> always change the plane to sport plane.
>
> I don't know anything more, so treat this as a rumor.
>
> Randy - Series 5/7
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clem Nichols
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> John:
>
> Indeed you had put out the original information. That's what led to my
> question which hasn't been answered. Can a plane which was originally
> registered as an amateur-built experimental be somehow reclassified as a
> sport plane and therefore come under the new regs which would allow me,
with
> the 16 hours of training, to do my own annual inspection? Will this 16-hr
> training rule only apply to factory-built sport planes or will it also
> apply to amateur-built sport planes? Will all amateur built planes
continue
> to be registered as experimentals even if they fall under the parameters
of
> a light sport plane? Do you see where I'm coming from? I know I can do
the
> maintenance on my Model IV. What I'm wondering is will I, when Sport
Plane
> goes into effect and with the 16 hours training, be able to do my own
> annual, even though I didn't build the plane? Your patience and
forbearance
> with my ignorance is appreciated.
>
> Clem Nichols
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> > Thought I had put this out once.....
> >
> > If I bought the aircraft used, I can still do the maintenance ?
> >
> > Assuming the aircraft you buy is certificated in the experimental
> > light-sport aircraft category you can perform the maintenance consistent
> > with the manufacturers continuing airworthiness instructions and any
> > restrictions in the operating limitations section of the airworthiness
> > certificate without specific maintenance training. In order to perform
the
> > 12-month condition inspection and approve the aircraft for return to
> > service, you would need to attend the 16-hour inspection training course
> and
> > obtain an FAA repairman certificate (light-sport aircraft) with
inspection
> > privileges.
> >
> > However, if the aircraft you buy is certificated as an amateur-built
> > experimental aircraft then you can perform maintenance on the aircraft
but
> > cannot approve the aircraft for return to service after a 12-month
> condition
> > inspection. This is because you are not eligible for the repairman
> > certificate under 65.104 on account of the fact that you were not the
> > original builder of the aircraft.
> >
> > Also... try this link
http://www.sportpilot.org/nprm/aircraft_maint.html
> >
> >
> > Blue Skies!!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> >
> > Clem, maybe John McBean will chime in, as he is the Sport Pilot expert
as
> he
> > worked closely with Ed Downs. As I understand it, if you take a
> maintenance
> > class, you will be able to do work and annual your Model IV yourself.
> > Depending on weight, your Model IV will be able to classify as a sport
> > plane.
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> > Seattle, WA
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: Temperature on a 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I agree with Marc. I called Lockwood and technically they pointed
out that 177 was the max. While there may be discrepencies in the
sensors I opted to try to stay within specs by redesigning things and
lowering my radiator. On a hot day you'd be even more succeptable and
may not be able to afford a shallower climb.
A recent article in EAA's magazine confirmed most of the cowling
concepts. Especially keeping the radiators away from the skin of the
plane and out in the airstream. The other big one was shaping the flow
with a cowling.
Probobly just lowering will do the trick and unless you are bored
and want to fiddle with cowling design or an actuated flapper then that
will do the trick!
Good luck
Jared
Marc Arseneault wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I also have a Model IV with a 582 and on climb out my temps go to 180. This is
the maximum you want it to get and to lower this you could lower the rad by approx.
one inch. I lowered mine 1" and I will be lowering it another one.
>
><EM>Best Regards,
>
>Marc Arseneault
>Ontario Canada
></EM>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | (off-topic) What a nice day! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Great photos Michel
It looks a lot like a N.Ontario winter landscape - I think I would feel
quite at home - even though I am a transplanted Australian.
Gary
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Friends,
Today is my birthday and the weather gods gave me a nice present: CAVOK and
no wind. After three weeks without flying, I couldn't do anything else than
... fly to celebrate the day.
What a nice day!
Here, I come on final. Not easy to see the runway in the snow. Do you see
it?
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| Subject: | Temperature on a 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From jareds <jareds@verizon.net> =====
>I opted to try to stay within specs by redesigning things and
>lowering my radiator.
I have never gone over 180 F, even on a long climb on a hot day. But when the
discussion of the "inch between the fuselage and radiator" came on this list,
I hurried to check my plane and was delighted to see that it was what I had.
Since the plane was built between 1991-93 by a person I never met, it gives me
the good feeling that he knew what he was doing and that my plane is a good
plane.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | (off-topic) So Cold! WAS Back on the list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>Maybe we can get you to compete with Torgier and Michel, both of Norway, and
>our Alaska buddies, for the best stories from the North. :-)
Ok, I'll start:
- "How cold was it?"
- "So cold that my exhaust fumes came out as snow flakes!"
Now, try to beat that, Canadians and Alaskians! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Michel
When we fly here in the Winter it seems we often experience the same weather
phenomenon's as you. I have often looked at my wind sock on a cold winters
morning and it is hanging completely limp so the weather should be perfect -
wrong!
It's perfect up to about 1,000 ft and then sometimes all hell breaks loose
as you run into 40 - 50mph Westerlies. Going through the transition is
"interesting" but normally once you reach 3,000 ft AGL it's as smooth as
silk again.
I took my wife up on one of these days in my Challenger - looked great on
the ground but flying into that wall of air certainly elevated the
excitement level. She hasn't flown in a light aircraft since! It used to be
a real pain in the Challenger with that light wing loading and reduced climb
rate, not only did you get bounced around more, you had to spend more time
in the turbulence trying to break through. I have recorded GS over 150mph
and considering I cruise at 90-95 IAS it it gives you a good opportunity to
experience that down wind turn syndrome.
I have found that you have to be a little careful on these days not to stay
up too long as the winds tend to settle lower down as the day progress and
you end up landing in some pretty awful conditions. Not bad when you're
landing on a lake as you don't have to make too many crosswind landings but
sometimes we have to, as the blowing snow makes it really difficult to see
the surface (like a glassy water landing) so it's safer to use the marked
runway where you have better perspective.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Martin, I know what you mean with "silk winter." But yesterday was
different. As you can see from the windsock, it was calm. But above say, 700
ft AGL, there was a strong northerly wind. On the ground, my OAT was 6.0 C,
but at 1,000 ft, 8.8 C. The cold terrain created an inversion that kept the
warmer upper wind away. I could notice on crosswind that my drift was quite
significant. I could also notice the turbulence between the two layers of
air masses.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Jimmie,
My kit is a 1994 with quick build wings too. Here is one thing I think that
is not in the manual or service letter. The distance center to center on
the root end of the spars may not be exactly the same as the spar attach
lugs on the fuselage. Before you locate the top hole in the front spar,
place the root rib in position and bungee around the front and rear spars so
they are tight in place against the rib. This should align the center of
the front spar directly over the front attach lug holes. Mine were off
almost a 1/4 inch without pulling the front spars tight against the root
rib.
Tom Jones
> I am approaching the most dreaded part of building so far, wing rigging.
My wings are quick builds and all appears well except bottom false ribs
protruding below the rib caps, which I have fixed.
>
> Wondering if any of you have any advice or experience beyond the
instructions contained in the Skystar manual and Service letter 27B
pertaining to setting dihedral, sweep and twist.
>
> My kit and manual are 1994 vintage.
>
> Would appreciate any and all of your thoughts and advice.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: engine mount mis-alignment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This is an interesting thread. Ancient problems with discussing NSI issues
resulted in a defacto prohibition of saying anything on the list negative
about NSI. Once called NSI bashing. Skystar, Rotax and any other system on
the list of course remain fair game.
I am glad you NSI guys are happy with the way your mount fits and the easy 3
day installation. What I want to remind the list - kindly, I hope - is that
from what I read, after the easy installation there have been lots of
gremlins pop up. Far more than I have had with my 912, and most detected by
list members themselves and also solved by themselves.
Yes I did replace the stator on my 912, as the result of a Rotax Service
Bulletin with free parts and free loan of special tooling provided by
Rotax. Please some one tell me that NSI sends out Service Bulletins that
address the numerous problems that have arisen with this system. Recently
there has been a comment that reverberates in my mind - "This is not one of
Lance's priorities now".
Sorry about this, but in the interest of fairness and free flow if
information, I think it is important that enough honest information be
presented that new folks won't be inclined to make mistakes in choices based
on incomplete information. I have a good friend that began the building
process at the same time I did. the Rotax Stator issue scared him off Rotax
and onto NSI. I have 670 hours on my airplane and he is still on the gourd
with his almost 900 lb. Model IV. This is a sensitive issue with me.
Regards,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> OK Noel,
>
> It is Sunday and I am thankful for NSI too.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Noel & Yoshie Simmons <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > I have installed 5 or so NSI engines and I do the
> > same thing you did and
> > they are but just a giggle. Other mounts I have
> > done are just the same as
> > Arthur is explaining, and John is right sometimes it
> > takes two people, one
> > to really grunt and the other to cuss.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> > If you think SS is bad try an AVID!
>
> __________________________________
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Kurt
I have not leveled the fuselage or mounted the wings at all. Have been
kicking around several thoughts on how to level the fuselage. One is to
bolt it to my concrete driveway or place the fuselage on real sturdy saw
horses. I am a bit concerned about using the driveway because even the
slightest wind would make it difficult if not impossible to set the wing
sweep using plumb bobs. Am I thinking right?
There is a possibility that I can borrow a closed in hanger for a few days,
but it is such a pain to haul the wings and fuselage to the airport. I
suppose I may need to do this to make sure it is done right, but the
driveway sure is convenient.
I don't like the SS method of weighting the fuselage down with weights as a
way to steady the fuselage when rigging the wings. Seems to me that even
the slightest movement could get measurements out of alignment.
I am kind of confused about your comment on making sure the vertical
stabilizer is straight. If I measure from the outboard tip of each trailing
edge to say the middle rudder mount on the vertical stabilizer is that
sufficient for helping determining if the vertical stabilizer is straight?
Yes indeed I would be interested in the details of your blind hole finder
and how you used it.
Sorry to have so many questions, but I realize this process will determine a
lot as to how well my Fox performs in the air.
I have some really good help available, but I always try to get different
ideas and I really appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me.
Thanks again.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> I think my SS instructions were that old too.
>
> Where are you in the process? At the point of
> installing the wing mounts at the root and the spar
> mounts for the lift struts?
>
> Or all done with that and hanging and adjusting the
> wings on the struts?
>
> I think the first, so I would say that you need to
> take the time to level the plane really well and
> measure everything 3 times or more. This is the time
> to get it exact. Same when you rig the flight
> controls. These times have the most to do with
> straight, comfortable flying.
>
> It is a good idea to pick a point that you can level
> from when the plane is done so that you stay
> consistant with future leveling.
>
> Have a lot of duct tape and don't be afraid to use it.
>
> Have both wings hanging on the fuselage, if you can,
> to keep it level while you adjust. You need to do
> both wings together anyway.
>
> Measure from the tips to the verticle stab at a common
> point to keep the sweep even. Now is a good time to
> make sure your verticle stab is straight!
>
> Make a blind hole finder for that front fuselage to
> spar mount. That really helped me get it lined up for
> a good fit. If you want, I'll describe mine for you.
>
> If you are mounting the lift strut brackets on the
> wings, make sure that your rivet holes do not line up
> with the verticle wing spar web inside. The front
> ones can be trouble. Every rivet counts and must line
> up OK.
>
> Any time you change one thing, check all your other
> measurements again. Keep it straight.
>
> I did a bit of a dry run one day to make sure I had
> everything I needed and only drilled the rear spar
> carry thru attachment holes. I only drilled the top
> holes first until it was all aligned. Then I got it
> all done the next time I had a good day to do it.
> When it was all aligned. I drilled thru for the
> bottom spar holes too. Finally pull your reamer thru
> to make the holes just tight.
>
> You need a good helper. Can't do this well without
> someone who double checks you. At least I can't.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
> > Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > I am approaching the most dreaded part of building
> > so far, wing rigging. My wings are quick builds
> > and all appears well except bottom false ribs
> > protruding below the rib caps, which I have fixed.
> >
> > Wondering if any of you have any advice or
> > experience beyond the instructions contained in the
> > Skystar manual and Service letter 27B pertaining to
> > setting dihedral, sweep and twist.
> >
> > My kit and manual are 1994 vintage.
> >
> > Would appreciate any and all of your thoughts and
> > advice.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Jimmie
>
> __________________________________
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Maintenance - Sport Plane Gross Wt? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Bob,
I haven't established that yet. If I go with Experimental, it will be 1550
lb.
If the sport plane comes out at 1400 or higher, I will probably go with that
as a sport plane. I suspect that sport plane will come out at 600 kg - or
1320 lbs. Does anyone have a better guess or knowledge of what it will be?
Randy - Series 5/7 - This spring????
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
What's the gross weight of your plane (series 5/7) Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Clem,
> I had a DAR tell me a few weeks ago that I should register my plane as an
> experimental because if my health changes and I can't get a physical, I
can
> always change the plane to sport plane.
>
> I don't know anything more, so treat this as a rumor.
>
> Randy - Series 5/7
>
> .
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| Subject: | Kitfox Maintenance - Sport Plane Gross Wt? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
I suspect it will be 1232... comments requested 1300
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance - Sport Plane Gross Wt?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Bob,
I haven't established that yet. If I go with Experimental, it will be 1550
lb.
If the sport plane comes out at 1400 or higher, I will probably go with that
as a sport plane. I suspect that sport plane will come out at 600 kg - or
1320 lbs. Does anyone have a better guess or knowledge of what it will be?
Randy - Series 5/7 - This spring????
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
What's the gross weight of your plane (series 5/7) Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Maintenance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Clem,
> I had a DAR tell me a few weeks ago that I should register my plane as an
> experimental because if my health changes and I can't get a physical, I
can
> always change the plane to sport plane.
>
> I don't know anything more, so treat this as a rumor.
>
> Randy - Series 5/7
>
> .
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| Subject: | engine mount mis-alignment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Very well put Lowell !
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This is an interesting thread. Ancient problems with discussing NSI issues
resulted in a defacto prohibition of saying anything on the list negative
about NSI. Once called NSI bashing. Skystar, Rotax and any other system on
the list of course remain fair game.
I am glad you NSI guys are happy with the way your mount fits and the easy 3
day installation. What I want to remind the list - kindly, I hope - is that
from what I read, after the easy installation there have been lots of
gremlins pop up. Far more than I have had with my 912, and most detected by
list members themselves and also solved by themselves.
Yes I did replace the stator on my 912, as the result of a Rotax Service
Bulletin with free parts and free loan of special tooling provided by
Rotax. Please some one tell me that NSI sends out Service Bulletins that
address the numerous problems that have arisen with this system. Recently
there has been a comment that reverberates in my mind - "This is not one of
Lance's priorities now".
Sorry about this, but in the interest of fairness and free flow if
information, I think it is important that enough honest information be
presented that new folks won't be inclined to make mistakes in choices based
on incomplete information. I have a good friend that began the building
process at the same time I did. the Rotax Stator issue scared him off Rotax
and onto NSI. I have 670 hours on my airplane and he is still on the gourd
with his almost 900 lb. Model IV. This is a sensitive issue with me.
Regards,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> OK Noel,
>
> It is Sunday and I am thankful for NSI too.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Noel & Yoshie Simmons <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > I have installed 5 or so NSI engines and I do the
> > same thing you did and
> > they are but just a giggle. Other mounts I have
> > done are just the same as
> > Arthur is explaining, and John is right sometimes it
> > takes two people, one
> > to really grunt and the other to cuss.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> > If you think SS is bad try an AVID!
>
> __________________________________
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Tom
Thank you. I might very well have missed this.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> Jimmie,
> My kit is a 1994 with quick build wings too. Here is one thing I think
that
> is not in the manual or service letter. The distance center to center on
> the root end of the spars may not be exactly the same as the spar attach
> lugs on the fuselage. Before you locate the top hole in the front spar,
> place the root rib in position and bungee around the front and rear spars
so
> they are tight in place against the rib. This should align the center of
> the front spar directly over the front attach lug holes. Mine were off
> almost a 1/4 inch without pulling the front spars tight against the root
> rib.
> Tom Jones
>
> > I am approaching the most dreaded part of building so far, wing
rigging.
> My wings are quick builds and all appears well except bottom false ribs
> protruding below the rib caps, which I have fixed.
> >
> > Wondering if any of you have any advice or experience beyond the
> instructions contained in the Skystar manual and Service letter 27B
> pertaining to setting dihedral, sweep and twist.
> >
> > My kit and manual are 1994 vintage.
> >
> > Would appreciate any and all of your thoughts and advice.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine mount mis-alignment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Monday 16 February 2004 04:14, Grant Fluent wrote:
Grant,
Never be afraid to "come out and say it". If it is the truth, then that is
what counts.
Arthur
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> I kind of assumed the money was gone but didn't want
> to come out and say it...
>
> --- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@c-magic.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> > Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > <<<I don't understand why they are having trouble
> > delivering an engine that is already paid for?>>>>
> >
> > MONEY'S Gone!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> >
> > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > > Arthur,
> > > I also had to tweak my engine mount a little to
> >
> > get
> >
> > > it to fit (Classic IV 912S). Two of the five
> >
> > mounting
> >
> > > points were off about 1/4".
> > > As for the 912S, IMHO I would stay with your
> > > original plan. If you decide on a different
> >
> > engine,
> >
> > > you'd still have to get your money back from
> >
> > Skystar.
> >
> > > I don't understand why they are having trouble
> > > delivering an engine that is already paid for?
> >
> > When I
> >
> > > heard about your problem and some others, I did
> >
> > not
> >
> > > have an engine and did some checking with the
> >
> > Rotax
> >
> > > service centers to see if getting an engine was a
> > > problem. All of them either had the 912S in stock
> >
> > or
> >
> > > could get one in about a week or two. I purchased
> >
> > my
> >
> > > 912S from Leading Edge Air Foils in Wisconsin. It
> >
> > came
> >
> > > in about a week.
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> > > Classic IV 912S
> > >
> > > --- Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net> wrote:
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation
> > > > <anation@w-link.net>
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 13 February 2004 22:58, kurt schrader
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kurt,
> > > > Yes the engine mount is the correct version, I
> > > > think!! Apparently the welding
> > > > process leaves the mounting holes out of
> >
> > alignment.
> >
> > > > I really don't understand
> > > > this as a jig is used. Perhaps the stresses from
> > > > welding distort the frame
> > > > after cooling and release from the jig.
> > > > The firewall holes are near perfect.
> > > > I am really thinking of something besides the
> >
> > 912S
> >
> > > > that I have ordered, but
> > > > don't expect to get.
> > > > How many hrs do you have on yours and do you
> >
> > find
> >
> > > > your plane 'nose-heavy' as
> > > > one other person commented?
> > > > Arthur
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt
> >
> > schrader
> >
> > > > > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Arthur,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if they just sent an engine mount for
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > wrong series plane? Is it for the -7 for
> >
> > sure?
> >
> > > > Does
> > > >
> > > > > the firewall match the plane and it is only
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > mount
> > > >
> > > > > that is off? Or does nothing match?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt S.
> > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Dream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Monday 16 February 2004 01:02, kurt schrader wrote:
do not archive
Kurt,
Years ago, I thought of making the same trip to the Bahamas. At that time, I
had my trusty Stinson 108-3 Station Wagon. A dream to fly with 165 hp 6
cylinder Franklin. Smoother than 4 cyl!! I was thinking of going all the way
to Trinidad de Tobago (sp). I may be interested, however it may be a couple
of more years before I can finish.
As for the lack of trust to do a 30 min. x-country, I have this suggestion.
The rules for glider students at my club are this:
1. take your altitude, say 5,000 ft above ground and subtract 1,000 ft for
traffic pattern altitude. Let's put the best L/D of the glider at 25/1.
Really a low figure for most gliders. Multiply the 4,000 ft difference by
the 25/1 (glide ratio) and one could go 100,000 ft. Divide this by 5,280 to
arrive at miles. In this case, just under 19 miles. For safety sake, this is
divided in half. Thus one could theoretically be up to 9 miles from the
glider port and still make the traffic pattern altitude under perfect
conditions.
I hope I have been clear. Given that the Kitfox may have a best L/D of 10/1,
engine out, then the safe distance away from the airport with the above
parameters would be 4 miles. Not good! However you could always fly higher
and circle the airport at a farther distance. Or buy a glider.
Arthur
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey John,
>
> You caught me. I have been making confessions all
> week and I am not even married. :-) But yes, I am
> anxious to go and willing to let you pave the way
> while I hunt the scenery like a dog. Guess I didn't
> hide the hint well enough. ;-)
>
> And my sister lives in FT Pierce, your last jumping
> off point. Might make arrangements easier.
>
> But I am not ready to go across the pond just yet.
> Maybe next year. I haven't trusted this plane so far
> to a 30 minute X-county since I only have 3 air hrs
> total on it.
>
> And please consider at least one more to Alaska some
> time. And someone mentioned the memorial Mexico trip
> too. I think I was first on the list for his CD's.
>
> So don't let your flight planning get rusty. I'm
> counting on you.
>
> It's this job thing ya know. :-(
>
> Imagine - I can't wait to retire from this airline job
> so that I can have the time to fly my plane! 35,000
> feet just doesn't cut it. And look out! He's pulling
> a 1.0002 G load! At least the boxes don't complain
> back there.
>
> Kurt S. KitFox student pilot
>
> --- "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com> wrote:
> > Kurt,
> >
> > I get the feeling that you might be ready to take
> > your flying machine on a nice long flying adventure.
>
> I have been to Alaska twice and as far
>
> > north as one can go in the USA. However, I have not
> > given up on the Bahamas trip. If I can find at
> > least two other aircraft of any make and
> > model that want to make the trip, I am out of here.
> > I 'm sick and tired of the cold weather we are now
> > having in Virginia and the warmer weather
> > in the Bahamas looks very inviting. Why not give
> > that NSI you fly behind a real test and lets all
> > head south for some real fun.
> >
> > --
> > John King
> > Warrenton, VA
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Jimmie,
I have pictures of my wing rigging for my Classic IV
that I can send to you off list if you wish. I did
mine inside and weighted down the fuselage with bags
of sand and cement blocks. Everything worked well.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
> Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Tom
>
> Thank you. I might very well have missed this.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Jones" <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fitting Wings Model IV
> Speedster
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones
> <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
> >
> > Jimmie,
> > My kit is a 1994 with quick build wings too. Here
> is one thing I think
> that
> > is not in the manual or service letter. The
> distance center to center on
> > the root end of the spars may not be exactly the
> same as the spar attach
> > lugs on the fuselage. Before you locate the top
> hole in the front spar,
> > place the root rib in position and bungee around
> the front and rear spars
> so
> > they are tight in place against the rib. This
> should align the center of
> > the front spar directly over the front attach lug
> holes. Mine were off
> > almost a 1/4 inch without pulling the front spars
> tight against the root
> > rib.
> > Tom Jones
> >
> > > I am approaching the most dreaded part of
> building so far, wing
> rigging.
> > My wings are quick builds and all appears well
> except bottom false ribs
> > protruding below the rib caps, which I have fixed.
> > >
> > > Wondering if any of you have any advice or
> experience beyond the
> > instructions contained in the Skystar manual and
> Service letter 27B
> > pertaining to setting dihedral, sweep and twist.
> > >
> > > My kit and manual are 1994 vintage.
> > >
> > > Would appreciate any and all of your thoughts
> and advice.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Dream |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Arthur,
I should clarify, I simply have not flown the plane
for over 30 minutes at a time. Everything works,
except my fuel air ratio meter lost signal the last
time and I need to trace that down. (It is my own add
on and I like how it reads mixture instantly rather
than wait for the EGT to show the change.) Anyway,
single engine across water always worries me, so I
just want to prove my performance and reliability to
myself first.
So far my greatest hazard is still my landings. :-)
It's so new, I haven't even used the flaps yet.
I would certainly want to apply a glide ratio for
altitude to make land as I cross water, as you
explained. Without the fairings I need to add during
testing, I figure glide ratio like this:
Open the door, throw out a brick, stay over the brick.
:-)
Really, my glide ratio is pretty poor right now and my
max level speed is maybe 95 knots due to drag. There
are no anti drag devices on it yet and I intend to get
good test data, then add one at a time and accurately
measure the change.
But I still float on landing. After only 3 tailwheel
hrs and in a brand new airplane, what do I expect...
To take on the water next year.
Kurt S.
--- Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net> wrote:
>
> do not archive
>
> Kurt,
> As for the lack of trust to do a 30 min. x-country,
> I have this suggestion.
> The rules for glider students at my club are this:
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| Subject: | REPLY 2 ---BRS Chute Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry Huston" <barryehuston@earthlink.net>
Hi Kurt
BRS sent me pictures and one print of an old AVID
installation plus all the current downward info.
The chute is located in the baggage area behind the
right seat. I still have to reposition the rocket for a
center shot thru the hole in the turtle deck and as
mentioned earlier, I need to get satisfied that the Kevlar
harness will rip away everything that it should and without
damaging the strap.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: REPLY 1 ---BRS Chute Installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> OK Barry,
>
> That makes a difference. When I talked to them, they
> had your size rocket redesigned, but not mine.
>
> They were the ones who gave me the side firing
> instructions and explained what it was for. It was
> mounted right behind the baggage area and fired right
> thru the side fabric. The straps had to be put in
> under the side fabric before covering and up over the
> right side turtle deck mounts to the wing attachments.
> When you fired the rocket, you would need a new cover
> job on the right side, a new turtle deck, a new canopy
> and clean underware, but you would land on the wheels.
>
> Where did you get the verticle mount plans?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Barry Huston <barryehuston@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry Huston"
> > <barryehuston@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > This unit is for 1200 lbs so believe rocket is OK .
> >
> > This is the first time I've heard about side
> > discharge,
> > but heard about the folding wing issue with regard
> > to the downward discharge and that was in the
> > installation package.
> >
> > I went the upward discharge because I'm installing
> > floats.
> >
> > This side discharge is of interest if there is any
> > installation
> > info available.
> >
> > Thanks ---- Barry
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Kurt
Are you using flaps when landing as I find these normally slow me up pretty
dramatically. I use them even more now that I have a two bladed vs three
bladed prop as there is a lot less drag and I found that my finals were
extended. I also use side slips a lot to shorten up final as most of my
flying is in and out of fields and lakes etc.
When I first fitted my strut fairings I noticed the difference in speed on
approach but most of these little problems seem to go away with time,
experience and practice.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But I still float on landing. After only 3 tailwheel
hrs and in a brand new airplane, what do I expect...
To take on the water next year.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Unfinished Kitfox 6 For Sale |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:41:27 -0500
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Edwards" <k1kbl@msn.com>
Firewall aft kit, Powdercoat and factory wings. Fuselage almost complete, need
to complete wings and cover. Email for complete specs and pictures. 20k invested
asking 15k Northern Vermont.
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic)Virtual aviation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Gary Algate wrote:
> It looks a lot like a N.Ontario winter landscape
Did you say North Ontario, Gary? Funny because this evening I flew an old
battered Beaver on skis from Pikangikum CYPM to a place called Burntwood. The
navigation was this: about 19 NM heading 210, to Wagin Lake, then 240 for
another 12 NM. I landed there on a small private grass strip.
Am I crazy? No, I did it in the virtual world of flight simulator, together
with my friends. We have done that for the last four years. We have been flying
all over Europe, then two years ago, we went over to Canada, invited by a
friend from Calgary and visited the Rockies. We visited Banff, Kaslo, Nelson,
Cold Lake. Then we moved to Ontario, Red Lake area.
I fly my simulator with joystick and pedals with toe brakes. It's good
training. We also use real METAR. For example, I can tell you that today, in
Pikangikum, the weather was not good for Kitfox: -8 C, NNW wind at 10-15 knots,
snow and low ceiling.
This is what lead me to start real aviation and the Kitfox. Real aviation is
better but the virtual adventures with my friends is something I'll continue to
do for as long as I have a computer. Two of us are real-life glider pilots, one
has an old GA license and is mostly interested in vintage fighters, but we all
share the same love for aviation.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: My region is as flat as Ontario only near the coast. West of Oslo, the
mountains are not as high as the Rockies but they end with the big fjords that
you see on the Norwegian postcards.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Gary Algate wrote:
> When we fly here in the Winter it seems we often experience the same weather
> phenomenon's as you.
Yes, Gary, it sounds pretty much the same. I am sorry your wife got that bad
experience. That's why I am careful with mine, I know that a "bumpy road" is
enough to make her say no, for life.
As a sailor, I have always followed closely the weather. But never above ground
(or ... sea!). As I saw the fog banks lingering over the ground that morning, I
knew there was an inversion. But I didn't know I could expect turbulence if it
wasn't that I read about it in my Norwegian meteorology book for pilots. Once I
was in it, I recognized what the book was talking about.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-Gear Nose Weights? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Temperature on a 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> I have a 97 Model IV w/ 582 water cooled engine. While doing touch and goes
>
> on climb out the temp goes to 180. In the pattern it cools back to 160-170.
> Is
> this a problem that I need to address or is everything ok. The outside temp
> is
> 50F. Everything else is good and it really runs well.
>
>
Don't let me get you upset but, I think you have a bit of a problem.
Mine also climbs to 180 + during a climbout however, it doesn't do it until the
OAT's get to about 80+ degrees. At 50 degrees, I can climb all day and not get
anywhere near 180.
I tried lowering the radiator with little to no success. The only
success I had was to lower the radiator about 4" and move it fwd to a point where
it
was fwd of the engine cowl output. I then put on a deflector to force the
air down and through the radiator. This was a temp mod but will design it into
a finished product this summer. This method fixed all my coolant problems.
At 80+ degrees OAT's I could only get to about 200' before busting 180.
I then had to level off until the temps dropped to about 165 then step climb.
I felt this to be a little on the unsafe side.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | engine mount mis-alignment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Have you heard the old saying, Robbing from Peter to pay Paul, well just
call me PETER!
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
I kind of assumed the money was gone but didn't want
to come out and say it...
--- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@c-magic.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> <<<I don't understand why they are having trouble
> delivering an engine that is already paid for?>>>>
>
> MONEY'S Gone!!!!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine mount mis-alignment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Arthur,
> > I also had to tweak my engine mount a little to
> get
> > it to fit (Classic IV 912S). Two of the five
> mounting
> > points were off about 1/4".
> > As for the 912S, IMHO I would stay with your
> > original plan. If you decide on a different
> engine,
> > you'd still have to get your money back from
> Skystar.
> > I don't understand why they are having trouble
> > delivering an engine that is already paid for?
> When I
> > heard about your problem and some others, I did
> not
> > have an engine and did some checking with the
> Rotax
> > service centers to see if getting an engine was a
> > problem. All of them either had the 912S in stock
> or
> > could get one in about a week or two. I purchased
> my
> > 912S from Leading Edge Air Foils in Wisconsin. It
> came
> > in about a week.
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
> >
> >
> > --- Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net> wrote:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation
> > > <anation@w-link.net>
> > >
> > > On Friday 13 February 2004 22:58, kurt schrader
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kurt,
> > > Yes the engine mount is the correct version, I
> > > think!! Apparently the welding
> > > process leaves the mounting holes out of
> alignment.
> > > I really don't understand
> > > this as a jig is used. Perhaps the stresses from
> > > welding distort the frame
> > > after cooling and release from the jig.
> > > The firewall holes are near perfect.
> > > I am really thinking of something besides the
> 912S
> > > that I have ordered, but
> > > don't expect to get.
> > > How many hrs do you have on yours and do you
> find
> > > your plane 'nose-heavy' as
> > > one other person commented?
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt
> schrader
> > > > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Arthur,
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if they just sent an engine mount for
> the
> > > > wrong series plane? Is it for the -7 for
> sure?
> > > Does
> > > > the firewall match the plane and it is only
> the
> > > mount
> > > > that is off? Or does nothing match?
> > > >
> > > > Kurt S.
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
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| Subject: | Model 3 with VW peformance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Guys:
Just wondering if anyone out in the wonderful world of Kitfoxes can tell me
how a model 3 might perform with a VW on it? I have a friend that is
considering buying a VW powered 3 project that he ultimately wants to put on
floats (amphibs maybe?). I am somewhat leary of that arrangement for fear
of not only little or no useful load, but also for having enough power to
get it all off the water. But I really have no exposure to the vw
powerplant in a Kitfox.
Anyone have any knowledge or experience with VW powered Kitfoxes? Expected
empty weights? Climb rate? Cruise? Etc, etc,...
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic)Virtual aviation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Michel
Tell us more about this computer program. It sounds interesting. Is the
name of the program used "Virtual Flight Simulator"? Who makes it? Or how
does one get it? (Not that any of my friends would want to be riding around
with me even in a virtual world. But maybe I could get some training...
:-)
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (off-topic)Virtual aviation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Gary Algate wrote:
> > It looks a lot like a N.Ontario winter landscape
>
> Did you say North Ontario, Gary? Funny because this evening I flew an old
> battered Beaver on skis from Pikangikum CYPM to a place called Burntwood.
The
> navigation was this: about 19 NM heading 210, to Wagin Lake, then 240 for
> another 12 NM. I landed there on a small private grass strip.
>
> Am I crazy? No, I did it in the virtual world of flight simulator,
together
> with my friends. We have done that for the last four years. We have been
flying
> all over Europe, then two years ago, we went over to Canada, invited by a
> friend from Calgary and visited the Rockies. We visited Banff, Kaslo,
Nelson,
> Cold Lake. Then we moved to Ontario, Red Lake area.
> I fly my simulator with joystick and pedals with toe brakes. It's good
> training. We also use real METAR. For example, I can tell you that today,
in
> Pikangikum, the weather was not good for Kitfox: -8 C, NNW wind at 10-15
knots,
> snow and low ceiling.
>
> This is what lead me to start real aviation and the Kitfox. Real aviation
is
> better but the virtual adventures with my friends is something I'll
continue to
> do for as long as I have a computer. Two of us are real-life glider
pilots, one
> has an old GA license and is mostly interested in vintage fighters, but we
all
> share the same love for aviation.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> PS: My region is as flat as Ontario only near the coast. West of Oslo, the
> mountains are not as high as the Rockies but they end with the big fjords
that
> you see on the Norwegian postcards.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model 3 with VW peformance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I'm betting you'ld like the fox on floats with a Valley Engingeering redrive
and Long prop, maybe 84 to 96 inch. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 3 with VW peformance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Just wondering if anyone out in the wonderful world of Kitfoxes can tell
me
> how a model 3 might perform with a VW on it? I have a friend that is
> considering buying a VW powered 3 project that he ultimately wants to put
on
> floats (amphibs maybe?). I am somewhat leary of that arrangement for fear
> of not only little or no useful load, but also for having enough power to
> get it all off the water. But I really have no exposure to the vw
> powerplant in a Kitfox.
>
> Anyone have any knowledge or experience with VW powered Kitfoxes?
Expected
> empty weights? Climb rate? Cruise? Etc, etc,...
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Wisconsin
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jimmie,
I want to echo what Kurt said. NOW is the time to do the rigging right. I
think I did a pretty good job, but always had it in the back of my mind that
I would do fine adjusting later. But there ain't no later. Do it right
now!
As for the vertical stabilizer, I think the trailing edge - with the hinge -
is likely square with the rest of the fuselage, but you may have to "adjust"
the leading edge. Stand where the motor will be and hold your eye at the
intersection of the two cross braces behind the instrument panel and look to
see how the leading and trailing edges line up. If they are off a bit, get
a sturdy something (2X4?) and put it between the leading and trailing edge
to pull the leading edge to the right point and then just lean on it again
and again until you are convinced that it is straight.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Kurt
I have not leveled the fuselage or mounted the wings at all. Have been
kicking around several thoughts on how to level the fuselage. One is to
bolt it to my concrete driveway or place the fuselage on real sturdy saw
horses. I am a bit concerned about using the driveway because even the
slightest wind would make it difficult if not impossible to set the wing
sweep using plumb bobs. Am I thinking right?
There is a possibility that I can borrow a closed in hanger for a few days,
but it is such a pain to haul the wings and fuselage to the airport. I
suppose I may need to do this to make sure it is done right, but the
driveway sure is convenient.
I don't like the SS method of weighting the fuselage down with weights as a
way to steady the fuselage when rigging the wings. Seems to me that even
the slightest movement could get measurements out of alignment.
I am kind of confused about your comment on making sure the vertical
stabilizer is straight. If I measure from the outboard tip of each trailing
edge to say the middle rudder mount on the vertical stabilizer is that
sufficient for helping determining if the vertical stabilizer is straight?
Yes indeed I would be interested in the details of your blind hole finder
and how you used it.
Sorry to have so many questions, but I realize this process will determine a
lot as to how well my Fox performs in the air.
I have some really good help available, but I always try to get different
ideas and I really appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me.
Thanks again.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fitting Wings Model IV Speedster
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> I think my SS instructions were that old too.
>
> Where are you in the process? At the point of
> installing the wing mounts at the root and the spar
> mounts for the lift struts?
>
> Or all done with that and hanging and adjusting the
> wings on the struts?
>
> I think the first, so I would say that you need to
> take the time to level the plane really well and
> measure everything 3 times or more. This is the time
> to get it exact. Same when you rig the flight
> controls. These times have the most to do with
> straight, comfortable flying.
>
> It is a good idea to pick a point that you can level
> from when the plane is done so that you stay
> consistant with future leveling.
>
> Have a lot of duct tape and don't be afraid to use it.
>
> Have both wings hanging on the fuselage, if you can,
> to keep it level while you adjust. You need to do
> both wings together anyway.
>
> Measure from the tips to the verticle stab at a common
> point to keep the sweep even. Now is a good time to
> make sure your verticle stab is straight!
>
> Make a blind hole finder for that front fuselage to
> spar mount. That really helped me get it lined up for
> a good fit. If you want, I'll describe mine for you.
>
> If you are mounting the lift strut brackets on the
> wings, make sure that your rivet holes do not line up
> with the verticle wing spar web inside. The front
> ones can be trouble. Every rivet counts and must line
> up OK.
>
> Any time you change one thing, check all your other
> measurements again. Keep it straight.
>
> I did a bit of a dry run one day to make sure I had
> everything I needed and only drilled the rear spar
> carry thru attachment holes. I only drilled the top
> holes first until it was all aligned. Then I got it
> all done the next time I had a good day to do it.
> When it was all aligned. I drilled thru for the
> bottom spar holes too. Finally pull your reamer thru
> to make the holes just tight.
>
> You need a good helper. Can't do this well without
> someone who double checks you. At least I can't.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
> > Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > I am approaching the most dreaded part of building
> > so far, wing rigging. My wings are quick builds
> > and all appears well except bottom false ribs
> > protruding below the rib caps, which I have fixed.
> >
> > Wondering if any of you have any advice or
> > experience beyond the instructions contained in the
> > Skystar manual and Service letter 27B pertaining to
> > setting dihedral, sweep and twist.
> >
> > My kit and manual are 1994 vintage.
> >
> > Would appreciate any and all of your thoughts and
> > advice.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Jimmie
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic)Virtual aviation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
Which flight simulator program are you using?
Fred
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Back on the list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
<EM>Thanks Kurt! Canada is a very nice place to fly. 70% of our country is accessible
only by air leaving us with some really nice country to explore and excellent
fishing and hunting. Once I am licensed, I will send you some pictures
of our country and of course some of fishing. As for the best stories from the
North, Shane Sather who lives in Nunavut that owns a Lite Squared with a 912S
probably has really good stories to tell us. The last time I talked to Shane,
it was -45 C in Nunavut when we were at -15 Cin Sudbury. Our winters are cold
but nothing compared to theirs. One of my dreams is tovisit Alaska!</EM>
<EM>Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
</EM>----Original Message Follows---- From: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Back on the list Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:53:51 -0800 (PST) -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM>Welcome back Marc, Seems that Canada is a good place for KitFoxes. The two just seem to go together. Good planes for places of adventure and Canada has a lot to explore. Maybe we can get you to compete with Torgier and Michel, both of Norway, and our Alaska buddies, for the best stories from the North. :-) Inspire the builders and tinkerers? Kurt S. --- Marc Arseneault <NORTHERNULTRALIGHTS@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote: Hello Everyone, After a few months of being off the list, I have re-joined. __________________________________ http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Model 3 with VW peformance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
I know of someone who owns a Model IV with a VW in it and from what I have heard
the performance isn't as good as compared to a Rotax. He was thinking of installing
a 912S in it but the cost of doing this is approx. $25 000.00 Can. As
for putting floats on it, that would depend on what he finds acceptable but the
previous owner of this plane had it on Aerocet amphibs and sold it because he
wasn't happy with the performance. I know that he wouldn't consider putting
it on floats without replacing the motor. Another problem he has had ishigh temps.
The last time I talked to him,his climb rate was400 ft/min. with 2 people
on skis and still having high temps. Gary could probably add to this.
<EM>Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
</EM>----Original Message Follows---- From: "Paul Seehafer" <AV8RPS@TZNET.COM>Reply-To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>Subject: Kitfox-List:
Model 3 with VW peformance Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:05:26 -0800 --
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <AV8RPS@TZNET.COM>Hi Guys: Just
wondering if anyone out in the wonderful world of Kitfoxes can tell me how a
model 3 might perform with a VW on it? I have a friend that is considering buying
a VW powered 3 project that he ultimately wants to put on floats (amphibs
maybe?). I am somewhat leary of that arrangement for fear of not only little or
no useful load, but also for having enough power to get it all off the water.
But I really have no exposure to the vw powerplant in a Kitfox. Anyone have
any knowledge or experience with VW powered Kitfoxes? Expected empty weights?
Climb rate? Cruise? Etc, etc,...
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