Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Dead Battery (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: 912S Starter Issue (Phil Laker)
3. 06:28 AM - L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 (Gill Levesque)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback (Tom Jones)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback (Tom Jones)
7. 07:15 AM - Re: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT... (Vic Jacko)
8. 07:27 AM - Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback (Trey Moran)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 (michel)
10. 12:08 PM - Re: 912S Starter Issue (Ted Palamarek)
11. 03:16 PM - Sport Prop blades needed (Ron Carroll)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT... (Bruce Lina)
13. 03:34 PM - Re: Sport Prop blades needed (Torgeir Mortensen)
14. 05:11 PM - Re: Rotax 532 Starter (dwight purdy)
15. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point (dwight purdy)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Compass sensor in wing tip (Rick)
17. 06:35 PM - Slipper clutch (Shane Sather)
18. 06:57 PM - Re: Slipper clutch (JMCBEAN)
19. 08:40 PM - Re: 912S Starter Issue (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
20. 08:51 PM - Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback (Jeff Smathers)
21. 11:07 PM - Hi - Brand New series 5 owner - looking for a little advice : (Phil Cowley)
22. 11:09 PM - 2-blade vs. 3-blade (Ron Carroll)
23. 11:22 PM - Re: L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 (kurt schrader)
24. 11:27 PM - Kitfox for microsoft flight simulator 2004 (Phil Cowley)
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> I have a 97 582 rotax engine . My battery ran down and I put a six amp
> charger on it and the engine immediately cranked. It was on for about three
>
> minutes. I could hear something in the system humming. It was not the
> charger. I hope
>
Possibly the starter solenoid?? It sounds like the battery was hot but not
getting the juice to the starter. Maybe the master solenoid?? The charger
might have triggered the contacts in one or the other. I heard the same humming
on a light switch that controls the light in my kitchen pantry. The switch
went bad shortly afterwards. Just a wild guess.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Starter Issue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Laker" <desertfoxlead@hotmail.com>
We installed Steve Kellander's 912s in his new model 4 with the "old"
starter.
It has the slipper clutch and has been trouble free for 300 hours. Stan
Foster
and I each have over 400 hours on our 912s with never a start up shake or
"vibration" issue. We owe this to Clint's start procedure I think. My old
Vixen
had 700 hours on the 912 and now another 400 hours with the 912s. My
experience is the "s" motor is smoother.
Phil Laker Desert Fox Squadron
>From: "Len Shorethose" <TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:35:53 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose"
><TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
>
>Hello List,
>
>I'm having issues with my 912S and need some opinions.
>
> I recently had Lockwood install the new slipper clutch in the gearbox to
>reduce the vibration problem that has plagued the 912S. They also
>replaced
>the original starter with the new high torque model that Rotax recommends
>for the slipper clutch equipped engines. My problem is that the new
>starter
>is about 1/2 inch too long for my Series 5 firewall mount. In other
>words,
>it just won't fit!
>
>My options are either to replace the starter back with the original one, or
>cut the engine mount and weld in a small extension that will allow
>clearance
>for the starter.
>
>I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using the old starter and the
>new
>slipper clutch, or if anyone has actually cut an engine mount and done some
>re-welding like I am suggesting.
>
>Thanks for any responses.
>
>Len Shorethose.....Series 5...912S
>
>
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| Subject: | L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hey Y'all,
Does anyone know the L/D of a model 4.1050? Or ,how to calculate it!!
Gill Levesque
Model 4 1050
582 LC
22hrs.TT
Forest, VA (winter home!!)
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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| Subject: | L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Interesting question Gill,
I am studding up on my commercial ticket and they go into this at some
depth. You will need to get it for your aircraft at a specific weight. Off
the top of my head you will need to know these things to get actuate
measurements. Density altitude, true airspeed, power out put for the
engine. Basically you will need to fly at the same density altitude and
plot true airspeed vs. engine power. At different weights the AOA will
change and you will get a slightly different L/D.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gill
Levesque
Subject: Kitfox-List: L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hey Y'all,
Does anyone know the L/D of a model 4.1050? Or ,how to calculate it!!
Gill Levesque
Model 4 1050
582 LC
22hrs.TT
Forest, VA (winter home!!)
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Jeff, the drawings are in the "Painting templates" in "The Kitfox Builder"
at Sportflight.com
http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/painttemplates.htm If you have photo shop you
can paint the drawing to match your plane.
Tom Jones, La Pine, OR
> I am trying to find a 3-view drawing .jpg , .pdf , or ? of my KF 5
Outback
> with
> the round bump cowl. Even Skystar didn't find one in their archives. I
want to
> give the FAA inspector next week for sign off.
>
> I know I saw one at one time with dimensions......hmmmmmm....
>
> Any one? Thanks.
>
> Jeff Smathers
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Jeff, I just noticed the round cowl serries 5 in the painting templates has
the tube gear only. If you have the spring gear and don't have access to a
photo program, I can probably talk my photo shop expert wife into putting
the spring gear onto the round cowl template for you.
Tom Jones
> I am trying to find a 3-view drawing .jpg , .pdf , or ? of my KF 5
Outback
> with
> the round bump cowl. Even Skystar didn't find one in their archives. I
want to
> give the FAA inspector next week for sign off.
>
> I know I saw one at one time with dimensions......hmmmmmm....
>
> Any one? Thanks.
>
> Jeff Smathers
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| Subject: | Re: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Hi, I have a new cabin cover for the model 5, 6 and 7 but I don't know
if it would work on the model 4. Maybe someone else on the list has the
answer.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tc9008@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox
E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
> I have a 1997 Model IV Kitfox. Do you have a cover for the plane that I
could
> use for trailering or storage in my garage or hanger ?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Trey Moran" <ffmoran@centurytel.net>
Jeff,
You could use the paint template drawings available on Sportflight.com at http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/painttemplates.htm. They are downloadable. All you need to do is put in the dimensions.
Trey Moran
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| Subject: | L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
> Does anyone know the L/D of a model 4.1050? Or ,how to calculate it!!
Gill, I agree with Noel that the lift to drag ratio is nearly impossible to
assess as it varies all the time, depending of air density, altitude,
temperature, speed, AoA, number of bugs on your leading edge, etc.
When I fly my simulator, one interesting data to output to the screen is the
L/D. You can see how it increases, e.g. when you land and arrive at an
altitude where the ground effect starts to work.
A few years ago, I was modelling in the simulator a WIG (Wing In Ground)
craft. You know one of those half-plane, half-boat, that stay at ground effect
altitude. It turns out that L/D can be calculate for anything. Transport is to
carry goods over a distance. Goods are heavy and have to be lifted by ... the
lift. The distance has to be covered by thrust that is limited by ... drag.
From a camel, an airliner or a tank ship, the most efficient transporter
(read: best L/D) is ... the WIG. Hence its commercial interest.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | 912S Starter Issue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
OK Phil, don't keep a secret ---- What's Clint's start
procedure??
Ted
-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
<<<<
>>>
We owe this to Clint's start procedure I think.
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| Subject: | Sport Prop blades needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Can anyone help me locate replacement blades for a Sport-Prop? I damaged my 3-blade
Sport-Prop, so I need 3-blades for a 68" setup, with tractor configuration,
for use with a Rotax C-Box. They can be new or used, as long as they are
in good condition.
Maybe someone in Europe knows of a source for these props, either an individual,
a distributor or the factory. Are then still being made?
Thanks for any help you can offer,
--
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon, USA
RonCarr@Qwest.Net
Ron Carroll
Oregon, USA
RonCarr@Qwest.Net
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| Subject: | Re: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox
E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi, I have a new cabin cover for the model 5, 6 and 7 but I don't
know
> if it would work on the model 4. Maybe someone else on the list has the
> answer.
>
> Vic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Tc9008@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Knight Upholstery for Kitfox
> E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KIT...
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
> >
> > I have a 1997 Model IV Kitfox. Do you have a cover for the plane that I
> could
> > use for trailering or storage in my garage or hanger ?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Prop blades needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Check this one:
http://www.ultralight.ca/props/propspricing.htm
Torgeir.
Ron Carroll wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
>
> Can anyone help me locate replacement blades for a Sport-Prop? I damaged my
3-blade Sport-Prop, so I need 3-blades for a 68" setup, with tractor configuration,
for use with a Rotax C-Box. They can be new or used, as long as they are
in good condition.
>
> Maybe someone in Europe knows of a source for these props, either an individual,
a distributor or the factory. Are then still being made?
>
> Thanks for any help you can offer,
> --
> Ron Carroll
> KF3/582 - Oregon, USA
> RonCarr@Qwest.Net
>
> Ron Carroll
> Oregon, USA
> RonCarr@Qwest.Net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 532 Starter |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
It is no different than any of Rotax 2cycle engines. Never had a problem
with one.
dwight
At 08:38 PM 2/18/2004 -0330, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
>
>Anyone have experience working on the starter in a Rotax 532?
>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EGT Cold Joint Calibration point |
(Westberg types).
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com> (Westberg
types).
That is not the way I understand it. Try: True EGT temp.= Indicator
reading - (70-30) = 1160
Think of it as Indicated plus or minus the difference. Plus if it is
over 70 at cold junction,minus if below 70.
dwight
At 01:21 AM 2/19/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>
>I've made an ERROR about the definition Westberg is using for the
>calibration points they are using.
>
>Here it's:
>
> >So, remember; the calibration temperature, is the "cold junction"
> >surrounding temperature that give the most accurate EGT temperature
> >indicated-, but you most correct for the cold junction temperature.
>
>For a "normal" system the above is true, but It's not - for the Westberg
>70 deg. calibrated version.
>
>When Westberg is talklking about CALIBRATION points, (32 and 70) deg.
>F., this mean, they've MOVED the "cold junction point"! So, actually
>they are using TWO DIFFERENT cold junction references.
>
>Note:
>
>If you make a test of your "Westberg 70 deg. F." calibrated indicator,
>the reading will be 38 deg.F. higher than the values shown in the
>"temperature/voltage tables" for iron/constantan thermocouples.
>
>
>So, if you have the standard Westberg EGT indicator without a "S" index
>after the type no., the correction will be:
>
>True EGT temp= Ind.reading - (actual cold junction temp - cold
>junction cal. temp.)
>
>If we put in the numbers, say indicated 1200 deg. F., actual cold
>junction temp (= cockpit temp.) is 30 deg. F., and finally our cold
>junction cal. temp. = 70 deg. F.
>
>We have:
>
>True EGT temp.= (1200 - (30 - 70)) deg. F.= (1200 + 40) deg. F = 1240
>deg. F.
>
>So, the correct formula for calculating "true EGT" is:
>
>True EGT temp.= Indicator reading - ( cockpit temp. - 70 deg. F.)
>
>
>Well, sorry for the error.
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Compass sensor in wing tip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Just to stir the pot. Just got off the phone with the EAA technical advisor.
Yes, if you plan on flying at night or if IFR equipped you have to have a
compass. And much to my dismay, a compass that is self magnetic sensing,
though it doesn't have to be a whisky compass. So much for my GPS simulated
compass idea. Now the big part. If you only plan on flying VFR day, no
compass required. Since I do like and occasional look at the pretty night
sites, and am set up for night flying I will have to put something back in.
At least that will make me legal at night. I will still count on my 295 to
keep me on the right path and out of restricted air space and so on.
Rick ( no engine so mute point right now :))
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Compas sensor in wing tip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Rick,
Here is the section, you can see for yourself, here is everything you
might like to know about F.A.R.
Here is a link to FAA about FAR regulations:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFram
e?OpenFrameSet
Here is a link to type cert. for the different group of AC's:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
Here is the req. for "our" type of aircraft's:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/Special_Airworthiness_Certificate
s.htm
Here is our type, the "experimental" group:
http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/Special_Airworthiness_Certificate
s_Experimental_Category_General.htm
If you download this document (I did it today -and it contain 285 pages
(!), you'll find the connection to F.A.R. 91:
Remember to use the whole line below in the subject field for your
browser.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/467ae
87b93de461085256a350075b076/95d58c1a6db9705886256b37005ff944/$FILE/8130.2DC3
.pdf
Here is the actual
Document:
8130.2D Change 3 Incorporated
At page 134, find para. 9.
(9) Aircraft instruments and equipment installed and used under 91.205
must be inspected
and maintained in accordance with the requirements of part 91. Any
maintenance or inspection of this
equipment must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records.
>>> This document is pointing directly to F.A.R. part 91: 91.205 <<<
Hope this help.....
Torgeir.
Rick wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> You are quoting from the wrong part of the book. Dang, Guess I am going to
> have to get the section. How about this. If my opinion is wrong I will
shut
> up, if it isn't everyone can chip in and buy me a new remote sensor
compass.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
> Mortensen
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Compas sensor in wing tip
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Sorry for late reply, but much (to much) to do.
>
> I work quite often with this "kind" of questions for my company, you'll
> know the MEL (minimum equipment list for aircraft's) and questions like
> that.
>
> If I know- and have time, it is just a pleasure to give some references.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Torgeir.
>
> Scott McClintock wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> >
> > Torgeir,
> > Thanks for expanding on what I had mentioned to Jeff last week.
> > I have been working at our local FSS part-time. Part of my duties has
been
> to
> > become more acquainted with the F.A.R.'s and A.I.M.'s.
> > I really did not want to get into a "pissing match" on this subject, but
I
> knew
> > Jeff (others) were incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to dig a little
> deeper.
> > I just completed my annual inspection and re-calibrated my compass as
part
> > of the inspection.
> > Scott
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
> > >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > I must comment this one! Our experimental aircraft is operated as a
> > > "standard aircraft" AFTER the "test period".
> > >
> > > I.E. You can fly the same routes, same altitudes and SAME rules as
> > > "standard aircraft" ( C-192, Piper Ch. 140 etc.)
> > >
> > > All of the above is operating according to FAR Part 91, here you'll
find
> > > anything -even, the limitation during the "test period" for an
> > > experimental aircraft.
> > >
> > > OK. Here is just a little of FAR part 91:
> > >
> > > Sec. 91.205 Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S.
> > > airworthiness
> > > certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
> > >
> > > (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of
this
> > > section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a
> > > standard
> > > category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described
in
> > > paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft
> > > contains the
> > > instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or
> > > FAA-approved
> > > equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and
> > > items of
> > > equipment are in operable condition.
> > > (b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the
> > > following
> > > instruments and equipment are required:
> > > (1) Airspeed indicator.
> > > (2) Altimeter.
> > > (3) Magnetic direction indicator.
> > > (4) Tachometer for each engine.
> > > (5) Oil pressure gauge for each engine using pressure system.
> > > (6) Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine.
> > > (7) Oil temperature gauge for each air-cooled engine.
> > > (8) Manifold pressure gauge for each altitude engine.
> > > (9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
> > > (10) Landing gear position indicator, if the aircraft has a
> > > retractable
> > > landing gear.
> > > (11) For small civil airplanes certificated after March 11, 1996,
in
> > > accordance with part 23 of this chapter, an approved aviation red or
> > > aviation
> > > white anticollision light system. In the event of failure of any
light
> > > of the
> > > anticollision light system, operation of the aircraft may continue
to
> > > a
> > > location where repairs or replacement can be made.
> > >
> > > Also, in my EAA manual the check list include the compass and the
above
> > > instruments.
> > >
> > > Did you know that the compass is mandatory to be checked every second
> > > year?
> > >
> > > (If you think this is bad, -well, the certified "IFR AC's" or a
> > > commercially (VFR operated) has to do this every year!)
> > >
> > > For a two stroke water cooled engine, water temperature indicator is
> > > required. For an air cooled two stroke the cyl. temp indicator is
> > > required.
> > >
> > > As you have the same rights as standard aircraft's, you must gratify
> > > same "instrument standard" as "standard aircraft", logical isn't..
> > >
> > > In this case we are talking about VFR...
> > >
> > > Well, here is a link to "FAR part 91":
> > >
> > > http://www.safetydata.com/far-91.htm
> > >
> > > Torgeir.
> > >
> > > Rick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> > > >
> > > > OK Guys lets get an independent among us to call the EAA and get an
> answer.
> > > > I did this some time ago. You do not have to have a compass in an
> > > > experimental VFR aircraft. Please post the response for all to see.
> You may
> > > > want, need, like or are use to but don't have to, have one.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dmorisse
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Compas sensor in wing tip
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dmorisse"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > >
> > > > I've got an electronic compass by Richie that has always been a
> problem
> > > > because I have the fluxgate in the baggage area where it's affected
> each
> > > > time I put something back there with any metal. I've often
considered
> > > > installing in a wing tip, but was reluctant to do so because of the
> flapping
> > > > inertia during travel through turbulence. The sensor has a moving
> part in
> > > > it that seems would be sensitive to a lot of bumping around. Is
this
> an
> > > > issue or should I just install it in the wing tip? Of course it
would
> > > > require getting an extention cable from Richie, but I don't think
that
> it
> > > > would be a problem. Any opinions?
> > > > Darrel
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
> > > > <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are required by the FAA to have a magnetic compass, so I put
one
> in
> > > > the
> > > > > normal spot. The Dynon has one too and you will have to mount the
> > > > fluxgate
> > > > > out in the wing tip way away from metal.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > > kerrjohna@comcast.net
> > > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Dynon Avionics EFIS D10
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> > > > >
> > > > > Noel, what have you done for magnetic compass when using the
dynon?
> Do Not
> > > > > Archive.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Kerr
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
> > > > > > <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jimmy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was actually one of the first 10 or so customers to get the
> instrument
> > > > > in
> > > > > > and flying. I have installed the Dynon in three panels now, one
> plug
> > > > and
> > > > > > play the other two were aircraft (RV-6A and RV-9A) that I built
> have
> > > > test
> > > > > > flown. The only thing I can say is WOW. There will be nothing
> you can
> > > > do
> > > > > > in a Kitfox to saturate it, or gray the screen, it only takes a
> few
> > > > > seconds
> > > > > > for it to catch up. (Big statement, I'm sure someone can but
most
> are
> > > > > smart
> > > > > > enough not to try). I have done stall turns, spins, aileron
> rolls,
> > > > loops,
> > > > > > Cuban eights, -g's. and only once have I saturated the unit, but
I
> was
> > > > > > trying!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.Light
> > > > > > 2.replaces your blind encoder
> > > > > > 3.has it's own back up power internally
> > > > > > 4.the company is wonderful to work with. You call about
a
> > > > > question and
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > get it answered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the belt and suspenders so I always add an airspeed and
> altimeter
> > > > > > next to it but you will find that the information is much easier
> to read
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the Dynon and you will not look at the others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the ultimate check out Grand Rapids Tech's new EFIS that
> integrates
> > > > > with
> > > > > > there EIS and a GPS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Noel Simmons
> > > > > > Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
> > > > > > Phone & Fax: 406-538-6574
> > > > > > noel@blueskyaviation.net <mailto:noel@blueskyaviation.net>
> > > > > > www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Jimmie
> > > > > > Blackwell
> > > > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Dynon Avionics EFIS D10
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > List
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I noted a product in the last issue of Kitplanes that is new to
me
> and
> > > > was
> > > > > > wondering if anyone on the list has tested this instrument. It
is
> on
> > > > page
> > > > > > 31 one of the February issue of Kitplanes. If it does what they
> say it
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > would save a lot of instrument panel space and possibly weight
as
> it
> > > > > > provides an attitude indicator, airspeed, altitude, compass,
turn
> rate,
> > > > > > slip/skid ball, clock, gmeter, vertical speed and voltmeter.
All
> this
> > > > on
> > > > > > about a 3" x 4" screen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
Those who have the slipper clutch installed.
Can you really tell the difference? Is it really noticable or is it more
piece of mind than anything?
When you shut down or start up that 912 is the shake somewhat reduced or
greatly reduced? Is it worth the money and if you had to do it over again
would you?
Shane
Up in the cold, cold, high Arctic
----- Original Message -----
From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Len,
> You can remove the ears off the back of the starter. If you have
the round
> cowling it would be easiest to go back to the old starter. I have the
older
> starter in mine with the 912S and a slipper clutch.. seems to do just
fine.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Len Shorethose
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose"
> <TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
>
> Hello List,
>
> I'm having issues with my 912S and need some opinions.
>
> I recently had Lockwood install the new slipper clutch in the gearbox to
> reduce the vibration problem that has plagued the 912S. They also
replaced
> the original starter with the new high torque model that Rotax recommends
> for the slipper clutch equipped engines. My problem is that the new
starter
> is about 1/2 inch too long for my Series 5 firewall mount. In other
words,
> it just won't fit!
>
> My options are either to replace the starter back with the original one,
or
> cut the engine mount and weld in a small extension that will allow
clearance
> for the starter.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using the old starter and the
new
> slipper clutch, or if anyone has actually cut an engine mount and done
some
> re-welding like I am suggesting.
>
> Thanks for any responses.
>
> Len Shorethose.....Series 5...912S
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Yes, Yes and Yes.....
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Shane Sather
Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipper clutch
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
Those who have the slipper clutch installed.
Can you really tell the difference? Is it really noticable or is it more
piece of mind than anything?
When you shut down or start up that 912 is the shake somewhat reduced or
greatly reduced? Is it worth the money and if you had to do it over again
would you?
Shane
Up in the cold, cold, high Arctic
----- Original Message -----
From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Len,
> You can remove the ears off the back of the starter. If you have
the round
> cowling it would be easiest to go back to the old starter. I have the
older
> starter in mine with the 912S and a slipper clutch.. seems to do just
fine.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Len Shorethose
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose"
> <TooLowTerrain@comcast.net>
>
> Hello List,
>
> I'm having issues with my 912S and need some opinions.
>
> I recently had Lockwood install the new slipper clutch in the gearbox to
> reduce the vibration problem that has plagued the 912S. They also
replaced
> the original starter with the new high torque model that Rotax recommends
> for the slipper clutch equipped engines. My problem is that the new
starter
> is about 1/2 inch too long for my Series 5 firewall mount. In other
words,
> it just won't fit!
>
> My options are either to replace the starter back with the original one,
or
> cut the engine mount and weld in a small extension that will allow
clearance
> for the starter.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using the old starter and the
new
> slipper clutch, or if anyone has actually cut an engine mount and done
some
> re-welding like I am suggesting.
>
> Thanks for any responses.
>
> Len Shorethose.....Series 5...912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Starter Issue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Ted, I also use Clint's procedure - it works really well. Engine fires and
runs at 2000 - 2500 rpm instantly, no shaking. Here it is...
"Here is how I now start my engine, every time. I have seperated switches
for Ign A & B. I fully close the throttle, pull the choke and crank the
engine with Ign's off. As long as 10 sec. Wait 40 seconds or so, open the
throttle about 1 1/2 turns on venier throttle. Crank the engine and it
starts instanly and is running about 2500 to 3000 rpm's and very smooth.
If the engine starts to shake at all and does not start, will repeat the
process. Too many broken engine mounts (my observation) I do not have the
shortened spacers, I think that it couples too much energy to the area that
can be broken.
Clint Bazzill 800 hrs 912ULS Model IV."
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
OK Phil, don't keep a secret ---- What's Clint's start
procedure??
Ted
-
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Starter Issue
<<<<
>>>
We owe this to Clint's start procedure I think.
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5 Outback |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Thanks Tom,
I have the standard tube gear so that will work out perfect!
Thanks for your help, Jeff Smathers
Tom Jones wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> Jeff, I just noticed the round cowl serries 5 in the painting templates has
> the tube gear only. If you have the spring gear and don't have access to a
> photo program, I can probably talk my photo shop expert wife into putting
> the spring gear onto the round cowl template for you.
> Tom Jones
>
> > I am trying to find a 3-view drawing .jpg , .pdf , or ? of my KF 5
> Outback
> > with
> > the round bump cowl. Even Skystar didn't find one in their archives. I
> want to
> > give the FAA inspector next week for sign off.
> >
> > I know I saw one at one time with dimensions......hmmmmmm....
> >
> > Any one? Thanks.
> >
> > Jeff Smathers
>
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| Subject: | Hi - Brand New series 5 owner - looking for a little advice |
:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Cowley" <pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
Hi all,
First off I want to thank this wonderful group for being here. I just
purchased a series 5 that is just ready to cover and finish with engine
installation (not included) & instruments.
I have a bit of a challenge though, as it is 3,000 miles away (I'm in
san Luis Obispo / Santa cruz, California & its in new york state !.
I'm going to tow it home (and all its assorted parts) with a flatbed
utility trailer, probably 18 or 20' in length and 82" wide with tarps
wrapped around the aircraft.
Any ideas on the best way to pack it on the trailer (it's not currently
covered at all). It's currently got its wings, flight surfaces, and gear
on - I'm planning to take them both off and stow. What about the
elevator - will it come off ?
How much work is it to disassemble it (wings off, gear off, elev off ? )
What should I worry about in regards to towing in this type of a
situation. I read something about a fuse bending on the list - should I
be concerned ?
Any other ideas on what I should do in prep for the trip? Has anyone
else done anything like this ?
Does anyone have Drawings of the series 5 (safari - taildragger). If
someone has cad files that would be great !
A couple non travel related questions too:
1) I'd love to talk to any series 5-7 owners about power plants and
installs. I'm leaning towards the Subaru's and like the Ea81 & 82 as
well as the EJ22. Pro's & con's anyone ?
2) If anyone has recommendations on what should be beefed up or modified
in the build, please let me know. I'm planning on beefing up the
elevator trim per the crash stories online - any thoughts ?
3) Anyone know of a good place to get my instruction in a tailwheel in
California ?
4) Has anyone converted a 5 tail dragger to tri gear ? (Gasp.... I know,
I just have never flown one)
5) Does anyone know of a CFI in California who would teach in a
tailwheel kitfox (either mine or his ?)
6) who do you recommend for insurance ? ideas of rates for 2 low time
pilots ( Do I even want to know ?)
Now for the crazy part - I just purchased this aircraft, and have never
actually seen a series 5 in "Real Life". I'm pretty familiar with the
IV's and have sat in a few. If anyone in California is interested in
showing off their airplane I'd love to take a look and talk to you about
it & your experiences.
Thanks again for everyone's time - sorry for the long email and so many
questions
Happy flying & warm regards !
Phil Cowley
831.588.7596
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Smathers
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5
Outback
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Thanks Tom,
I have the standard tube gear so that will work out perfect!
Thanks for your help, Jeff Smathers
Tom Jones wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> Jeff, I just noticed the round cowl serries 5 in the painting
templates has
> the tube gear only. If you have the spring gear and don't have access
to a
> photo program, I can probably talk my photo shop expert wife into
putting
> the spring gear onto the round cowl template for you.
> Tom Jones
>
> > I am trying to find a 3-view drawing .jpg , .pdf , or ? of my KF
5
> Outback
> > with
> > the round bump cowl. Even Skystar didn't find one in their
archives. I
> want to
> > give the FAA inspector next week for sign off.
> >
> > I know I saw one at one time with dimensions......hmmmmmm....
> >
> > Any one? Thanks.
> >
> > Jeff Smathers
>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | 2-blade vs. 3-blade |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Carroll" <RonCarr@Qwest.Net>
Is there any significant difference between a 2 & 3 blade prop?
Advantage/disadvantage of one over the other?
Ron Carroll
KF3/582 - Oregon, USA
RonCarr@Qwest.Net
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| Subject: | L/D of Kitfox Model 4 1050 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Flame suit on? Check. Bullet bouncer on? Check.
Ok, guys. Another wives tale here and this time it
isn't me with the red face. ;-) Well, at least this
one time anyway....
Actually it is a very common misconception of L/D max
that weight changes it, but it doesn't change with
weight. Got my "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators"
right here...
L/D max occurs at the same angle of attack under all
weights, unless you change configuration (Flaps, gear,
trim, etc which changes drag) This is another nice
feature of AOA indicators. You can set them for L/D
max indication just like stall indication and you will
always get it right.
The speed for L/D max changes with weight, but the AOA
and the ratio of L/D max does not change. If it is
10:1, it is always 10:1 under any weight. If you go
to the L/D max AOA with an engine failure, you will
glide the same distance no matter what the weight.
That is the hardest part to understand. When you are
heavier, you go down faster and forward faster to keep
the AOA. You go the same distance both down and
forward, but in less time. The angle or ratio doesn't
change.
L/D max is important because it is were you have the
best glide ratio and the best long range cruise. If
the engine quits, or you are low on fuel, going to the
L/D max AOA is the best you can do.
Since we each build a little differently, especially
in drag reduction, our L/D max's will not be the same.
But you can test for it.
I forgot how the graph looks, but to test for L/D, you
have to do a series of power off glides. Say you
start at 3,500' and glide to 2,000'. You fly at a
constant airspeed and record the gps ground speed (no
wind for this) or convert to true airspeed, and you
record the time it takes to drop from 3,000 to 2,000.
(You use the first 500' drop to get stable.)
Repeating the test for 75, 70, 65, 60, 55, 50 mph (and
maybe 45 mph for you light weight guys) should give
you a curve. If I remember correctly, you use speed
across the bottom in both mph and feet per minute, and
descent in fpm on the side. Then you can compare the
ft/minute forward against the ft/minute downward.
(The mph scale is so you can use the speed in the
plane instead of ft/min.)
The graph can also be set up as AOA across the bottom
instead of speed, if you have an AOA indicator.
At one point on the curve you will travel the most
distance forward vs the distance downward. That is
your ratio to look for. But I haven't gotten to this
point in my testing, so I don't remember what the
graph really looks like. But that is how you test for
it.
Sorry. Maybe someone has already done it in their
testing and can fill in. I'd have to go dig up my
archives to find it again, and I don't have the time
right now. There have been some articles about "Zero
Thrust Testing" and L/D test a while back, if anyone
has them.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
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| Subject: | Kitfox for microsoft flight simulator 2004 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Cowley" <pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
Does anyone have or know of a Kitfox model for MS flight simulator 2004
?
Specifically looking for a taildragger - but anything would be
appreciated !
Thanks !
Phil Cowley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Smathers
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trying to find 3-View Drawings of a Kitfox 5
Outback
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Thanks Tom,
I have the standard tube gear so that will work out perfect!
Thanks for your help, Jeff Smathers
Tom Jones wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> Jeff, I just noticed the round cowl serries 5 in the painting
templates has
> the tube gear only. If you have the spring gear and don't have access
to a
> photo program, I can probably talk my photo shop expert wife into
putting
> the spring gear onto the round cowl template for you.
> Tom Jones
>
> > I am trying to find a 3-view drawing .jpg , .pdf , or ? of my KF
5
> Outback
> > with
> > the round bump cowl. Even Skystar didn't find one in their
archives. I
> want to
> > give the FAA inspector next week for sign off.
> >
> > I know I saw one at one time with dimensions......hmmmmmm....
> >
> > Any one? Thanks.
> >
> > Jeff Smathers
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