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1. 01:01 AM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (kurt schrader)
2. 01:26 AM - Re: A different kind. (kurt schrader)
3. 01:38 AM - Re: Airfoil Data (kurt schrader)
4. 01:44 AM - Re: gap seals (kurt schrader)
5. 05:00 AM - Re: 582 Power loss (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 05:05 AM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
7. 05:12 AM - Re: firewall seal (Dee Young)
8. 05:29 AM - Re: gap seals (Harold Flynn)
9. 05:40 AM - Re: gap seals (Harold Flynn)
10. 06:30 AM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (flier)
11. 07:27 AM - Prop Pitch was: 582 Power loss I would seem to agree (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
12. 07:39 AM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (Lowell Fitt)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: gap seals (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
14. 09:00 AM - Re: 582 Power loss (Bruce Harrington)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
16. 10:15 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 02/24/04 (londt)
17. 10:20 AM - Re: firewall seal (Kerry Skyring)
18. 10:34 AM - Re: : firewall seal (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
19. 11:09 AM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (Torgeir Mortensen)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairings (kurt schrader)
21. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: : firewall seal (Dee Young)
22. 02:25 PM - Re: Static port (Michel Verheughe)
23. 02:30 PM - Re: A different kind. (Michel Verheughe)
24. 03:47 PM - Re: Static port (kurt schrader)
25. 03:47 PM - (no subject) (N53dw@aol.com)
26. 03:57 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (Torgeir Mortensen)
27. 04:27 PM - Re: Static port (Torgeir Mortensen)
28. 04:32 PM - Re: gap seals (dwight purdy)
29. 04:36 PM - Incredible service! (Clifford Begnaud)
30. 05:03 PM - Re: Static port (Lowell Fitt)
31. 05:20 PM - Re: Incredible service! (JMCBEAN)
32. 05:25 PM - Re: Incredible service! (David & Maria Lumgair)
33. 05:29 PM - Re: Incredible service! (Fisher)
34. 05:42 PM - Re: Incredible service! (Fox5flyer)
35. 06:34 PM - Re: Static port (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
36. 06:54 PM - Re: Incredible service! (Rick)
37. 07:26 PM - Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! (Wwillyard@aol.com)
38. 07:58 PM - Re: 582 Power loss (david yeamans)
39. 08:40 PM - Re: 582 Power loss (david yeamans)
40. 10:27 PM - Re: Static port (kurt schrader)
41. 10:41 PM - Re: (no subject) (kurt schrader)
42. 10:41 PM - Re: 582 Power loss (Bruce Harrington)
43. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Strut fairings (kurt schrader)
44. 10:57 PM - Elevator travel and gap seal pictures (jimshumaker)
45. 11:28 PM - Re: (no subject) (Earl Stevens)
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Jeff,
I gave up on that tank and bent one up out of
aluminum. ACS carries the right stuff ID'ed for fuel
tanks. This gave me the chance to make it bigger too,
so I have some place to go after the low fuel light
comes on, other than just down. I bent it and had a
local welder who does fuel tanks put it together.
The new one got a seep on a seam too, which I was
advised to fix with J.B. Weld. It worked. So far so
good. I painted it with red paint that shows quickly
if there are any leaks. Good for annual inspections.
I think I spent about $150 for it???
Someone said that you can heat the poly tank to get it
to seal, but not with fuel or fumes in it. I found
that teflon paste, not tape, worked too. Still kept
it out of the inner threads just in case.
Good luck on the inpection.
Kurt S.
--- Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers
> <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
>
> Man, can you believe it?
>
> I have all my paperwork done, pre-inspection review
> by eaa and friends,
> taxi testing and electrical tests done and I am
> ready! Four years and I (thought) I was ready!
>
> I stopped by the hanger today to make sure every
> thing is ready for the
> FAA inspector......and I find fuel weep leaking
> around my header tank
> full sensor port.......I have tried 3 times to seal
> that threaded port with
> permatex, and two other aviation grade
> sealants.....nothing works.
>
> I read other earlier last year complaning about the
> poly tank leaking,
> and now I know of what you speak!
>
> I will wait until after the inspection, then pull
> out that #$#%@#ing
> tank and replace it with ??????????????? your
> suggestions please!
>
> What should I use and how much will it cost guys
> and gals?
>
> Thanks for being there.
>
> Jeff Smathers N456JT ready for the
> FAA.....almost.
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| Subject: | Re: A different kind. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There are a few vids under the float section that are
interesting too.
Kurt S.
--- Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
> Here is another plane from Norway, an Avid with
> floats and more,
> besides, not that far from Michel. :-)
>
>
> Here is the link:
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> http://home.hia.no/~rolfn/ln-yti/index.html
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> Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Data |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Jeff,
These links of your are a gold mine of info!
Kurt S.
--- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> I made a mistake and posted the "what's new" link
> yesterday, this
> is the link I meant to post for the UIUC aero links.
>
> http://www.aae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/apaLinks.html
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Glenn,
Try this site. This is some info I saved from this
list's earlier postings. So much good stuff people
bring up here....
<http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page29.htm>
Kurt S.
--- Glenn Horne <glennflys@rcn.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne"
> <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
> Anybody know where I can get some
> gap seals for my KitFox Model II?
> Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Power loss |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/04 2:02:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, dafox@ckt.net
writes:
> and replaced with fresh fuel, purged the lines, done a fuel flow test, it
> tested at 12 gals an hr. fuel pump was working, checked floats in carbs.
> OK, installed
I fought that loose nut thing for ever. Even went through a zero time
on the engine (without checking the nut). A loose nut will give you the
opposite situation you are seeing. The engine will rev up not bog down.
I think that 12 GPH fuel gravity flow is a bit low. Also, when you do
the gravity check, the container catching the fuel should be at the height of
the carb. If you are getting 12 GPH with the container sitting on the hanger
floor then you are getting "LESS" at the carb height. Been there and done
that.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/04 9:03:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jsmathers@cybcon.com writes:
> I have all my paperwork done, pre-inspection review by eaa and friends,
> taxi testing and electrical tests done and I am ready! Four years and I
> (thought) I was ready!
>
>
Jeff,
Two things come to mind. One, if you have the older poly tank, they have
less "Boss" threads. Since you are only four years old, you should have the
newer tank with thicker Bosses. Second, there was once a post that talked
about using a small amount of heat (heat gun) to the boss thread just before
assembly. Does something magic. I used this method and have never had a leak.
Don't know if it was the heat trick or just good luck.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: firewall seal |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I also used the 3/8" foam sticky backed insulation manufactured for sealing around
the doors on your house. Its cheap and works pretty darn good. I spent time
flying this winter at 0 and was please with the results. No air from the fire
wall at all.
Dee Young
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: Kerry Skyring<mailto:kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall seal
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com<mailto:kerryskyring@hotmail.com>>
Hi Albert,
I can't answer your question but I can share experience.
We've just gone throught the process of putting the sealing
strip around the firewall. (series 5 rotax 912) Ended up throwing away the
rubber
strip that comes with the kit and used the stronger aluminium reinforced
sealing strip that's used for the continental installation. Just couldn#t
get a satisfactory glue for the rubber to the stainless steel
firewall. Anyway we are trying to get a nice tight seal, we have
the smooth cowl, but don't know how critical this seal is. I guess a bit of
silicon could fill in any holes but I am also interested in any
real life experience in this area. We are living in a Kitfox
free area which makes it a bit difficult to check things like
this.
Kerry
>From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net<mailto:aerowood@mcsi.net>>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall seal
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:01:27 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net<mailto:aerowood@mcsi.net>>
>
>Hi Albert,
>I sealed mine with stick-on insulation from the hardware store.
>Clean cowl where firewall meets it, mark the joint,
>then apply the self-sticking insulation on the mark.
>bh
>
> > I am worried about the air leaking in from the engine compartment around
>the
>firewall. It is a tight fit but still leaks at the top corners of the
>firewall.
>Anyone have this problem or mods to stop it?
> >
> > Albert Smith
> > 5TD NSIT CAP
> > Still test flying and cold
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold Flynn <hflynn46531@yahoo.com>
kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Glenn,
Try this site. This is some info I saved from this
list's earlier postings. So much good stuff people
bring up here....
Kurt S.
--- Glenn Horne wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne"
>
>
> Anybody know where I can get some
> gap seals for my KitFox Model II?
> Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
You can buy it at snow ski shop .They call it ski protection tape
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold Flynn <hflynn46531@yahoo.com>
Glenn Horne <glennflys@rcn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne"
Anybody know where I can get some
gap seals for my KitFox Model II?
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
You can get at a snow ski shop. They call it ski protection tape.
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Jeff,
I went with an aluminum tank and had six made up for
some of the other guys on the list. They run ~$125
for a stock size tank out of .060 5052.
If you have enough boss, try a hose clamp around the
boss.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA
sign off tommorrow!
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers
<jsmathers@cybcon.com>
>
>Man, can you believe it?
>
>I have all my paperwork done, pre-inspection review
by eaa and friends,
>taxi testing and electrical tests done and I am
ready! Four years and I
>(thought) I was ready!
>
>I stopped by the hanger today to make sure every
thing is ready for the
>FAA inspector......and I find fuel weep leaking
around my header tank
>full sensor port.......I have tried 3 times to seal
that threaded port with
>permatex, and two other aviation grade
sealants.....nothing works.
>
>I read other earlier last year complaning about the
poly tank leaking,
>and now I know of what you speak!
>
>I will wait until after the inspection, then pull
out that #$#%@#ing
>tank and replace it with ??????????????? your
suggestions please!
>
>What should I use and how much will it cost guys
and gals?
>
>Thanks for being there.
>
>Jeff Smathers N456JT ready for the
FAA.....almost.
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop Pitch was: 582 Power loss I would seem to agree |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/04 9:43:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Aerobatics@aol.com writes:
thought ti go faster I would crank in some pitch.
A very little pitch change can make a huge difference, nearly killed myself
by changing props many years ago. Sadly prop pitch was what caused the Hughes
Racer to crash.
Careful out there, check static RPM prior to flying insure you have enough
power to clear the wires, or enough thrust to fly the plane prior to going over
engine redline. I nearly didn't have enough thrust, to much pitch same as
you! Certified aircraft have a static RPM range the engine must be in to fly
legally ~~there is a reason.
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
One of the old no longer on the list gurus recommended "Fuel Lube". I use
it and no leaks anywhere. It comes in pint cans and if you were close by
you could use some of mine. A pint will last several lifetimes.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Smathers" <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
>
> Man, can you believe it?
>
> I have all my paperwork done, pre-inspection review by eaa and friends,
> taxi testing and electrical tests done and I am ready! Four years and I
> (thought) I was ready!
>
> I stopped by the hanger today to make sure every thing is ready for the
> FAA inspector......and I find fuel weep leaking around my header tank
> full sensor port.......I have tried 3 times to seal that threaded port
with
> permatex, and two other aviation grade sealants.....nothing works.
>
> I read other earlier last year complaning about the poly tank leaking,
> and now I know of what you speak!
>
> I will wait until after the inspection, then pull out that #$#%@#ing
> tank and replace it with ??????????????? your suggestions please!
>
> What should I use and how much will it cost guys and gals?
>
> Thanks for being there.
>
> Jeff Smathers N456JT ready for the FAA.....almost.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
blue sky has some neat foam units. $60+/-
mine are clear contact film from a home center installed ala r/c hinges $.60
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
> Anybody know where I can get some
> gap seals for my KitFox Model II?
> Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Power loss |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Dave,
I was beginning to think the same thing.
What prop do you have, Dave?
IVOs can act this way if pitched too high.
bh
> Have checked your prop pitch. Maybe the engine is loaded too much by
> excessive propeller pitch and cannot wind up and develop full power until
> you put the nose down and pick up speed.
>
> Just a guess
> Dale Kister
> KF3/582
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
try stuctural adhesive first(last)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
>
> Man, can you believe it?
>
> I have all my paperwork done, pre-inspection review by eaa and friends,
> taxi testing and electrical tests done and I am ready! Four years and I
> (thought) I was ready!
>
> I stopped by the hanger today to make sure every thing is ready for the
> FAA inspector......and I find fuel weep leaking around my header tank
> full sensor port.......I have tried 3 times to seal that threaded port with
> permatex, and two other aviation grade sealants.....nothing works.
>
> I read other earlier last year complaning about the poly tank leaking,
> and now I know of what you speak!
>
> I will wait until after the inspection, then pull out that #$#%@#ing
> tank and replace it with ??????????????? your suggestions please!
>
> What should I use and how much will it cost guys and gals?
>
> Thanks for being there.
>
> Jeff Smathers N456JT ready for the FAA.....almost.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 02/24/04 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "londt" <londt@cyberserv.co.za>
Jeff
To design a strut fairing for a particular diameter strut tube, one would
require the relationship between the strut diam. and the chord, also the
distance of the leading edge to the center of the strut tube. Do you happen
to still have this information, if so would you share it with us?.
Another question, is the design aimed at providing the least drag, the
maximum lift, or optimisation of both?
you opinion would be valued as I hope to start manufacture soon.
Regards
Londt
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Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 02/24/04
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> 1. 12:59 AM - Static port WAS: All those readings! (michel)
> 2. 01:10 AM - SORRY! (michel)
> 3. 01:55 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairings (kurt schrader)
> 4. 02:13 AM - Re: SORRY! (kurt schrader)
> 5. 04:19 AM - How to check altitude. WAS: SORRY! (michel)
> 6. 06:21 AM - Re: CONDUCTIVE GREASE (Norm Beauchamp)
> 7. 06:51 AM - Re: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings (Matt
Keyes)
> 8. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairings (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
> 9. 07:06 AM - Re: New Prop (Lowell Fitt)
> 10. 07:10 AM - Re: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
(jeff.hays@aselia.com)
> 11. 07:16 AM - Re: Static port WAS: All those readings! (torgemor)
> 12. 07:29 AM - Re: Young Eagle Credits (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
> 13. 08:59 AM - Re: Static port WAS: All those readings!
(RiteAngle3@aol.com)
> 14. 09:10 AM - Re: New Prop (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 15. 09:31 AM - Re: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings (Vic
Jacko)
> 16. 09:53 AM - Re: Weight and Balance (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 17. 10:30 AM - Re: retuning exhaust (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 18. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Strut fairings (kurt schrader)
> 19. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Strut fairings (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
> 20. 01:18 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (Dave Savener)
> 21. 01:43 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (dwight purdy)
> 22. 01:45 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (dwight purdy)
> 23. 02:03 PM - Re: Static port (Michel Verheughe)
> 24. 02:07 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 25. 02:55 PM - Re: Elevator travel (Larry Martin)
> 26. 03:04 PM - Re: Static port (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 27. 03:08 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (Dave Savener)
> 28. 03:09 PM - Series 5 bungee gear (N53dw@aol.com)
> 29. 03:47 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 30. 03:56 PM - HAC CONVERSION (Tc9008@aol.com)
> 31. 04:13 PM - Re: CONDUCTIVE GREASE (Dcecil3@aol.com)
> 32. 04:17 PM - Re: HAC CONVERSION (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 33. 04:17 PM - Re: retuning exhaust (Dave Savener)
> 34. 04:31 PM - Re: HAC CONVERSION (Ted Palamarek)
> 35. 04:31 PM - Re: CONDUCTIVE GREASE (Herbert R Gottelt)
> 36. 06:13 PM - Re: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings (Rick)
> 37. 07:27 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (Bruce Harrington)
> 38. 07:31 PM - Re: New Prop (Bruce Harrington)
> 39. 07:53 PM - Re: New Prop (Clem Nichols)
> 40. 07:54 PM - Re: CONDUCTIVE GREASE (Randy Daughenbaugh)
> 41. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Elevator travel (jimshumaker)
> 42. 08:18 PM - Kitfox IV Purchase (Guy Buchanan)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:59:45 AM PST US
> From: michel <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: All those readings!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> >===== Original Message From Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
> >If your encoder or flight instruments are using an internal
> >static system it may cause pressure errors.
>
> Thank you Jeff and Torgeir. Yes, I am aware of that, otherwise the static
port
>
> would be of no use. It is the reason I reported that my altitude reading
> matched exactly the radar reading. Coincidence? Luck? Good cockpit design?
I
> don't know but I know to not repair something that works.
>
> Torgeir, my pitot tube is definitively not parallel to the wing's cord. It
is
> more like, horizontal when on the ground, i.e. about 15 degrees down from
the
> cord. Should I try to bend it up? How will it affect my speed reading?
What is
>
> the angle a pitot tube needs to be bend to become incorrect? My speed
reading
> looks pretty correct, once compared to the GPS and compensated for the
drift.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:10:32 AM PST US
> From: michel <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: SORRY!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> >===== Original Message From Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> =====
> >The similar reading from your altimeter and encoder is also good, but
this
> >might be an "offset" altitude due to a slightly under, or over pressure
> >in your cockpit.
>
> Damn! I am an idiot! Of course, both instruments reading the same is no
proof
> that my altitude is correct! It only proofs that they are both in the same
> static atmospheric pressure. And if I have a few hundred feet difference,
it
> can be quite dangerous in a controlled area where the controller separates
me
> from a traffic that is, in reality, at my altitude.
> ... I need a static port!
>
> Thanks, guys. Sorry about that. BTW, where can I buy a new brain? :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive - no need to imortalize my stupidity! :-)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:55:46 AM PST US
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> Yes, I am talking about improvments over the standard
> strut fairings. I should point out right off that 40%
> improvement over a 9 mph gain is only a 12 mph gain
> over a bare strut, not 40% improvement over the whole
> plane's drag. Each little bit helps though.
>
> We have three possible sizes.
>
> 1. Narrow cord that just meets the strut size.
> 2. Wide cord that does the same.
> 3 And wide cord that encapsulates the strut.
>
> That last one (#3) is easiest to build, but the most
> draggy. The estimate is for a 25% reduction in drag
> over the standard fairing at cruise. (2 mph
> gain?)This is the easiest to make of foam and maybe
> the lightest.
>
> #2, the wide cord that is just as thick as the strut,
> could save as much as 42% of the standard fairing's
> drag in cruise. (3+ mph gain?) But this one is
> harder to build. Probably best made in wood or
> aluminum.
>
> #1 is a compromise. Hard to build like #1, but
> between #1 and #3 in drag. It is just smaller, if
> that size is needed or you don't like wide cord
> fairings.
>
> All 3 would have more lift and an even smaller
> percentage of the standard fairing's drag at the climb
> and descent speeds. Lift at these speeds can be
> nearly double the standard fairing. Example: I am
> estimating 67 lbs of lift at 6 degrees AOA, vs 37 lbs
> with the standard fairing.
>
> This is based on setting the fairing angle to no lift
> in cruise and ever increasing improvements over the
> standard fairing in both lift and drag as you go
> slower, up to fairing stall.
>
> Only testing will tell what actually happens. The
> real world results might be 20 lbs more lift for
> climbs and descents, and 3 mph more speed at cruise.
> Since the drag reduction % is greater and the lift
> improvement is more at higher angles of attack, you
> should see a good improvement in climb rates.
> 100'/min or more?
>
> I hope to test bare fairings, then boundary layer
> testing for turbulator strips to see if they help on
> these profiles.
>
> I hope to post the fairing profiles for anyone's use
> along with the results. Build to suit of whatever
> marterials you want. Accuracy is important though.
>
> The point of all this is that if you are going to
> build your own strut fairings, why not get another 2-3
> mph more and 100'/minute more climb out of them?
> Small increase, but free.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Ted Palamarek <temco@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> > <temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > Are you saying that he is able to get 40% less drag
> > than the
> > standard SS plastic snap together strut fairings
> > that quiet
> > a few of us have??? If so that is interesting!!!
> >
> > Hope you have a good trip to PHX
> >
> > Ted P.
> > Edmonton, Ab
>
> __________________________________
> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:13:35 AM PST US
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SORRY!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Michel,
>
> I was just about to write you... The radar opreator
> only tells you what your encoder is telling him. If
> it is off, it is off for you both.
>
> Perhaps a quick check is in order before you get
> worried. Set your altimeter accurately for the field
> elevation at a known point on the airport before you
> takeoff. Then come back over the field for a low pass
> at cruise speed, maybe at the height of a roof top off
> the runway, and check the reading again. Do this with
> your son or someone else on board to do the reading
> while you accurately fly the low pass at the known
> height. Be careful! Pick something high enough for
> safety.
>
> For example, if the field is at 120' msl next to a
> building and the roof top is 40' higher, your low pass
> should read the 160' as you pass by the building.
> Check for the exact difference to know your error.
> Only correct what is broke.
>
> Make sure you have permission for the low pass. :-)
> A higher point that is accurately measured somewhere
> like a mountin top that you can fly by more safely is
> better.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- michel <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel
> > <michel@online.no>
> >
> > >===== Original Message From Torgeir Mortensen
> > <torgemor@online.no> =====
> > >The similar reading from your altimeter and encoder
> > is also good, but this
> > >might be an "offset" altitude due to a slightly
> > under, or over pressure
> > >in your cockpit.
> >
> > Damn! I am an idiot! Of course, both instruments
> > reading the same is no proof
> > that my altitude is correct! It only proofs that
> > they are both in the same
> > static atmospheric pressure. And if I have a few
> > hundred feet difference, it
> > can be quite dangerous in a controlled area where
> > the controller separates me
> > from a traffic that is, in reality, at my altitude.
> > ... I need a static port!
> >
> > Thanks, guys. Sorry about that. BTW, where can I buy
> > a new brain? :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
>
> __________________________________
> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:19:01 AM PST US
> From: michel <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: How to check altitude. WAS: SORRY!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> >===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >I was just about to write you...
>
> I know, Kurt, I always tend to answer before I get a chance to think ...
just
> like the day I said yes to marry you! :-)
>
> <SNIP>
> >Then come back over the field for a low pass
> >at cruise speed, maybe at the height of a roof top off
> >the runway, and check the reading again.
>
> Eh! That's a great idea, Kurt, thanks! I will do that. And when I have my
> skis, I'll go inland, near a mountain top I know of, with indicated
altitude
> ASL. The trick then is to fly toward it (slightly on the side) keeping the
> summit (in fact, the top of a communication tower) in level with the
horizon.
> I should then read the same as the ICAO chart, provided I have the correct
> QNH.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:21:21 AM PST US
> From: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CONDUCTIVE GREASE
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
> Kopr-shield part #25002 www.eastwood.com If interested. Norm
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:51:11 AM PST US
> From: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
>
> Stick and Rudder is a great arm chair flyer and even though it was written
during
> the glory days of flight, its info will never age. A hard copy eddition
sits
> on the book shelf in our "Airplane room" also known as the spare
bedroom/office.
> I read it in preperation for my ultralight training and would recommend
> it to any pilot or aspiring pilot. Its great review and an enjoyable
read. I
> am currently reading Your Pilot's License by Jerry A. Eichenberger. This
book
> is now in its 7th eddition and is also highly recommended. Much of the
info
> pertains to those of us who are newbies, such as myself and do not yet
carry
> a Private ticket, but I think any pilot will enjoy reading this book. He
covers
> much of the basics and even touches on the proposed Sport Pilot ruling and
training.
> It may bring back fond memories for those of you who completed flight
> training some time ago. It will be a nice introduction and or review to
those
> of us that are just getting started. I found my p
> aperback
> copy at Barnes and Noble.
>
> Happy arm chair flying!
>
> Matt
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:04:19 AM PST US
> From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Wow! Deja-Vu - I built a set of foam core fiberglass strut fairings
> based on an airfoil recommended to me by Dr. Micahel Selig at UIUC
> a couple years ago. http://www.aselia.com/jshays/liftstruts.htm
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: kurt schrader smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> Yes, I am talking about improvments over the standard
> strut fairings. I should point out right off that 40%
> improvement over a 9 mph gain is only a 12 mph gain
> over a bare strut, not 40% improvement over the whole
> plane's drag. Each little bit helps though.
>
> We have three possible sizes.
>
> 1. Narrow cord that just meets the strut size.
> 2. Wide cord that does the same.
> 3 And wide cord that encapsulates the strut.
>
> That last one (#3) is easiest to build, but the most
> draggy. The estimate is for a 25% reduction in drag
> over the standard fairing at cruise. (2 mph
> gain?)This is the easiest to make of foam and maybe
> the lightest.
>
> #2, the wide cord that is just as thick as the strut,
> could save as much as 42% of the standard fairing's
> drag in cruise. (3+ mph gain?) But this one is
> harder to build. Probably best made in wood or
> aluminum.
>
> #1 is a compromise. Hard to build like #1, but
> between #1 and #3 in drag. It is just smaller, if
> that size is needed or you don't like wide cord
> fairings.
>
> All 3 would have more lift and an even smaller
> percentage of the standard fairing's drag at the climb
> and descent speeds. Lift at these speeds can be
> nearly double the standard fairing. Example: I am
> estimating 67 lbs of lift at 6 degrees AOA, vs 37 lbs
> with the standard fairing.
>
> This is based on setting the fairing angle to no lift
> in cruise and ever increasing improvements over the
> standard fairing in both lift and drag as you go
> slower, up to fairing stall.
>
> Only testing will tell what actually happens. The
> real world results might be 20 lbs more lift for
> climbs and descents, and 3 mph more speed at cruise.
> Since the drag reduction % is greater and the lift
> improvement is more at higher angles of attack, you
> should see a good improvement in climb rates.
> 100'/min or more?
>
> I hope to test bare fairings, then boundary layer
> testing for turbulator strips to see if they help on
> these profiles.
>
> I hope to post the fairing profiles for anyone's use
> along with the results. Build to suit of whatever
> marterials you want. Accuracy is important though.
>
> The point of all this is that if you are going to
> build your own strut fairings, why not get another 2-3
> mph more and 100'/minute more climb out of them?
> Small increase, but free.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Ted Palamarek <temco@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> > <temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > Are you saying that he is able to get 40% less drag
> > than the
> > standard SS plastic snap together strut fairings
> > that quiet
> > a few of us have??? If so that is interesting!!!
> >
> > Hope you have a good trip to PHX
> >
> > Ted P.
> > Edmonton, Ab
>
> __________________________________
> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:06:02 AM PST US
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Prop
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Bruce,
>
> Is the performance increase a factory claim or is their user experience
that
> confirms the increase. We get a lot of claims from manufacturers that
when
> put into service, make me not want to be the first to spend my money.
>
> Lowell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Prop
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
<aerowood@mcsi.net>
> >
> > Just in from EAA Hot-Line
> >
> > Hot Props From Oregon Aircraft Design
> > Oregon Aircraft Design LLC recently added Hot Props, an efficient ground
> > adjustable propeller from Kiev, to their array of products. The
propeller,
> which
> > works on all Rotax and Hirth engines, offers an average 10 to 20 percent
> > increase in performance, an increased climb rate, and faster cruise at a
> lower
> > RPM. Additionally, it theres less fuel burn and you enjoy a smoother,
> quieter
> > flight. Available in a three- or five-blade configuration and ranging in
> > diameter from 63.4 inches to 74.8 inches, the Hot Prop runs between $695
> and
> > $1,120. Contact the company at 503/267-1486 or visit
> > www.oregonaircraftdesign.com.
> >
> > bh
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:10:45 AM PST US
> From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Stick and Rudder is a book, that when you start flying you read it and
> think it's interesting, when you get some hours, and get really serious
> about flying, you re-read it, paying attention to the details, and you
> think - How did I miss this before, this guy really know's his stuff!
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Matt Keyes keyesmp@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
>
> Stick and Rudder is a great arm chair flyer and even though it was written
> during the glory days of flight, its info will never age. A hard copy
> eddition sits on the book shelf in our "Airplane room" also known as the
> spare bedroom/office. I read it in preperation for my ultralight training
> and would recommend it to any pilot or aspiring pilot. Its great review
> and an enjoyable read. I am currently reading Your Pilot's License by
> Jerry A. Eichenberger. This book is now in its 7th eddition and is also
> highly recommended. Much of the info pertains to those of us who are
> newbies, such as myself and do not yet carry a Private ticket, but I think
> any pilot will enjoy reading this book. He covers much of the basics and
> even touches on the proposed Sport Pilot ruling and training. It may
bring
> back fond memories for those of you who completed flight training some
time
> ago. It will be a nice introduction and or review to those of us that are
> just getting started. I found my p
> aperback
> copy at Barnes and Noble.
>
> Happy arm chair flying!
>
> Matt
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:16:26 AM PST US
> From: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: All those readings!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Michel,
>
>
> I see, well it's apparent that your pitot tube is bent. There should be a
90
> deg. angle at the first bend, then straight in to the wing (spare), this
> vertical part should be 90 deg. ref to the wing corde. I'll think this
tube is
>
> alu., so should be easy to correct with a little care.
>
>
> The "readback" altitude from the twr. indicate that your altimeter and
encoder
>
> both read same altitude, so both are reading right, but, the pressure in
the
> cockpit may "fools" the system, -and you. ( :-) ..)
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> >===== Original Message From michel <michel@online.no> =====
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
> >
> >>===== Original Message From Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
> >>If your encoder or flight instruments are using an internal
> >>static system it may cause pressure errors.
> >
> >Thank you Jeff and Torgeir. Yes, I am aware of that, otherwise the static
> port
> >would be of no use. It is the reason I reported that my altitude reading
> >matched exactly the radar reading. Coincidence? Luck? Good cockpit
design? I
> >don't know but I know to not repair something that works.
> >
> >Torgeir, my pitot tube is definitively not parallel to the wing's cord.
It is
> >more like, horizontal when on the ground, i.e. about 15 degrees down from
the
> >cord. Should I try to bend it up? How will it affect my speed reading?
What
> is
> >the angle a pitot tube needs to be bend to become incorrect? My speed
reading
> >looks pretty correct, once compared to the GPS and compensated for the
drift.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Michel
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:29:00 AM PST US
> From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Young Eagle Credits
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> no chapter in my area
>
> use the credits in my good wishes
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic"
<steve.magdic@1psg.com>
> >
> > Steve Magdic
> > N71 W27015 Meadow Wood Ln.
> > Sussex WI 53089
> >
> > Thank you John. Your donation is very much appreciated and will
> > be used this summer. We already have a winner in our contest and
> > your contribution will certainly help.
> > Are you a current member of an EAA Chapter? we would like to recognize
> > your contribution on our web site and in our monthly newsletter.
> >
> > Again, thank you.
> > Steve Magdic
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kerrjohna@comcast.net [mailto:kerrjohna@comcast.net]
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Young Eagle Credits
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> > send me an address
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic"
<steve.magdic@1psg.com>
> > >
> > > John, our EAA Ultralight Chapter has a Young Eagles program and we
sponsor
> a
> > > youth through a contest
> > > we run each year. We are using the credits we have collected from our
Young
>
> > > Eagles pilots to help offset
> > > the cost of the sponsorship. We would be honored to accept the credits
you
>
> > have
> > > offered.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Steve Magdic
> > > President
> > > EAA Ultralight Chapter #1
> > > Menomonee Falls WI
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kerrjohna@comcast.net [mailto:kerrjohna@comcast.net]
> > > To: Kitfox
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Young Eagle Credits
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> > >
> > > I have Young Eagle credits is someones EAA Chapter is putting together
a
> > > scholarship. Let me know.
> > >
> > > John Kerr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:59:13 AM PST US
> From: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port WAS: All those readings!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> Michel,
> Yes, your pitot is or was bent downward. However it depends upon where
you
> actually want the most accurate readings. If your plane has an extremely
high
>
> nose up attitude at stall, having the tube down will allow it to be more
in
> line with the relative airflow. I have a friend who actually has his
pitot tube
>
> on a movable vane so it is always pointing into the relative wind, his
> airspeed reading is much more accurate at the extremely high pitch
attitudes just
>
> prior to a power on stall. With the reduced frontal area for impact of
the air,
>
> this is a normal error for aircraft. We all know a Cessna 150 won't fly
at
> zero airspeed, but it nearly indicates that just prior to a stall.
>
> Static Port. IMPORTANT
> Gain extra speed, impress your friends. Try this: fly along at cruise
then
> open your cockpit vents, the ones that let ram air into cabin. Then close
> them, Notice the difference. If you have the little rotating window
vents, notice
>
> the difference between them pointing forward and backward ~~ You will be
> amazed! I used to slightly open the window in my old Funk (it slid back
from
> front) just about and inch and a half, slightly hold left rudder, Amazing
an extra
>
> 10-15 MPH just from difference in static pressure in cockpit. (Altimeter
also
>
> showed a difference) Again over 40 years ago, but was fun to impress
friends
> who had faster airplanes!!~~However you never raced them.
>
> This is a great example of why static ports are necesary. Your flying
toward
> a mountain or something might be fine ~~with all the cockpit vents in one
> specific position, but change one and all gone.
>
> Play with it!
> Elbie
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
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>
>
> Time: 09:10:47 AM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Prop
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Good info Bruce,
>
>
> Been looking around a little, and here is some more info:
>
>
> http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/hotprop/hotprop.html
>
> http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/bbnews/hpflyer.html
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
<aerowood@mcsi.net>
> >
> > Just in from EAA Hot-Line
> >
> > Hot Props From Oregon Aircraft Design
> > Oregon Aircraft Design LLC recently added Hot Props, an efficient ground
> > adjustable propeller from Kiev, to their array of products. The
propeller, which
> > works on all Rotax and Hirth engines, offers an average 10 to 20 percent
> > increase in performance, an increased climb rate, and faster cruise at a
lower
> > RPM. Additionally, it theres less fuel burn and you enjoy a smoother,
quieter
> > flight. Available in a three- or five-blade configuration and ranging in
> > diameter from 63.4 inches to 74.8 inches, the Hot Prop runs between $695
and
> > $1,120. Contact the company at 503/267-1486 or visit
> > www.oregonaircraftdesign.com.
> >
> > bh
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
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>
>
> Time: 09:31:12 AM PST US
> From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Speaking of stick and rudder. I am finished with both of Ed Down's books
> "How to Fly a Kitfox" and "Kitfox Pilot Guide" both of which has only
one
> test flight on them!
>
> I will send to anyone in the USA for $15.00 and pay the postage.
>
> Vic
>
> 505-622-8513
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> >
> > Stick and Rudder is a book, that when you start flying you read it and
> > think it's interesting, when you get some hours, and get really serious
> > about flying, you re-read it, paying attention to the details, and you
> > think - How did I miss this before, this guy really know's his stuff!
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Matt Keyes keyesmp@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:51:01 -0800 (PST)
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Stick and Rudder is a great arm chair flyer and even though it was
written
> > during the glory days of flight, its info will never age. A hard copy
> > eddition sits on the book shelf in our "Airplane room" also known as the
> > spare bedroom/office. I read it in preperation for my ultralight
training
> > and would recommend it to any pilot or aspiring pilot. Its great review
> > and an enjoyable read. I am currently reading Your Pilot's License by
> > Jerry A. Eichenberger. This book is now in its 7th eddition and is also
> > highly recommended. Much of the info pertains to those of us who are
> > newbies, such as myself and do not yet carry a Private ticket, but I
think
> > any pilot will enjoy reading this book. He covers much of the basics and
> > even touches on the proposed Sport Pilot ruling and training. It may
> bring
> > back fond memories for those of you who completed flight training some
> time
> > ago. It will be a nice introduction and or review to those of us that
are
> > just getting started. I found my p
> > aperback
> > copy at Barnes and Noble.
> >
> > Happy arm chair flying!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
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>
>
> Time: 09:53:14 AM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight and Balance
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Patricia,
>
>
> Congratulations with the near addition to the family.
>
>
> Here is some figures for my model II:
>
> Right main; 244
> Left main; 246
> Tail wheel: 39
>
> Tot. Empty. W; 529 pounds eq. to 240 kg's
>
> Engine: Rotax 532 w/ double ignition, starter and battery.
>
> Including; Halon fire ext., Wheelen strobe light (single), position
> light, Garmin 100 GPS, ELT, First aid kit, Horizon, Turn & Slip and
> external venturi (for gyros). Two wing tanks, plus fwd. large header
> tank. In addition "Denneys" standard instruments delivered with the kit
> in 89.
>
> Else, equipped with the "large" main wheels and water cabin heat system
> w/el. blower.
>
>
> The empty weight was last checked in 98, -and it was still the same!
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Patricia Truter wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Patricia Truter"
<PTruter@csir.co.za>
> >
> > Ski in Africa!? (snow is a very scarce commodity down here! :-)
> > maybe I should remove my make-up bag??
> >
> > On a more serious note: everything is 'standard' KitFox stuff except
> > mabe a Maul pneumatic tailwheel, a GPS (which most pilots have I
> > assume?) (on the firewall), battery is on the cabin side of the fire
> > wall, a gascolator (in front of firewall)??
> >
> > Patricia
> >
> > Ps the pilot is also a little bit 'overweight' at this stage: (7,5
> > months pregnant).. but that will be self-correcting in a few weeks time
> >
> > >>> aerowood@mcsi.net 2004-02-23 >>>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <
> > aerowood@mcsi.net >
> >
> > Hi Patricia,
> >
> > For a Model II, it appears to be about 100 pounds overweight!
> > My IV-1200 with 582 came in at 575 pounds. Remove the microwave,
> > autopilot, ski racks, etc.!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > bh
> >
> > > I was wondering what the W&B details are of other KitFox (model
> > > II's). We did our KitFox recently and here are the details:
> > >
> > > Empty weight = 585 lb (265kg)
> > > CoG arm (empty) = 11.9 in (from leading edge of wing, near root)
> > > CoG arm (fuel) = 23.6 in
> > > CoG arm (pilot / PAX) = 17.2 in
> > > CoG arm (baggage) = 50.3 in
> > >
> > > CoG range for KitFox II = 10.2 - 14.3 in
> > >
> > > The CAA limits for microlight in SA is 450kg (990lb) but the
> > > design' MTOW is 430kg (950lbs) for the KitFox. That does not leave
> > us
> > > with a lot of weight to be added (pilot, passenger and fuel).
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Patricia
> > >
> > > (By the way, our 618 has been transplanted with a new 582 - she's
> > > singing
> > > like a Singer. After a test flight by a test pilot, I flew ZU-PAT
> > the
> > > first time on Saturday ...)
> >
> > --
> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > believed to be clean.
> > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support.
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
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>
>
> Time: 10:30:48 AM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi there,
>
>
> Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought, have a
> look at this picture at this link;
>
>
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
>
>
> I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll sure
> find out.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> dwight purdy wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> >
> > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was worth
having
> > a new subject line.
> >
> > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back up to
> > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> >
> > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue. Could
> > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> >
> > dwight
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
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>
>
> Time: 11:37:38 AM PST US
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> Looks good! I am glad that others agree that those
> plastic fairings needing improvement. Yours are very
> close to what our design looks like, and that is the
> method I was going to use too, not that they couldn't
> be done in wood or metal. So a few questions...
>
> Did you have a chance to do before and after
> comparisons of the speed gain you got from them?
>
> How much weight did they add when finished?
>
> My tail wheel instructor doesn't think they will hold
> up to abuse. He likes aluminum. How are yours doing?
>
> Do you know what profile the Dr. used? NACA? I'd like
> to compare. Yours are semetrical. Ours is slightly
> off for more lift at lower speeds - I hope. (Still
> shooting for shorter field performance.)
>
> What voltage did you use across the bow wire and what
> power supply?
>
> How did you cut the center hole, with the bow?
>
> Guess I haven't cut enough foam yet... :-)
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> > "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> > Wow! Deja-Vu - I built a set of foam core fiberglass
> > strut fairings based on an airfoil recommended to me
> > by Dr. Micahel Selig at UIUC a couple years ago.
> > http://www.aselia.com/jshays/liftstruts.htm
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: kurt schrader smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com
> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
> >
> > Hi Ted,
> >
> > Yes, I am talking about improvments over the
> > standard
> > strut fairings.
>
> __________________________________
> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
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>
>
> Time: 12:36:42 PM PST US
> From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Hi -
>
> Michael Selig is an Aero Prof at UIUC, and the airfoil profile I got was
> one of his own, he's at http://www.aae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/whats_new.html
> I knew of him through RC Sailplanes, as he's more or less the "God" of
> low speed/reynolds number airfoils. Almost all the FAI and International
> record holding Sailplanes use his coord's. You can do a search on
> Michael Selig on Google, and there's a lot of info out there about him.
>
> I don't have a before or after of perf specs, but I will say that
> my plane goes as fast as I want it to. My current plans are actually
> for the other end of the perf spectrum, and I'm researching a climb
> prop for it.
>
> With regard to durability, well - I built them the same way they
> build Cozy's, Long-Ez's, etc, so ... I'm happy with them. I pull
> and push the plane by the grab handle, or prop hub, and don't let
> people push on the struts, so no prob.
>
> Mine are a symetrical airfoil, which are cut in two halves (i.e. top
> then bottom) using aluminum templates. Next I used a holding fixture
> and a second template for the U-channel. The Channel at the apex comes
> just tangent to the actual airfoil, so what I then end up with are 4
> pieces. I used the "beds" from the original cuttings as holders for
> the laminating process, with a layer of peelply to keep the mess from
> all bonding together. When the whole sloppy mess get's bonded together
> the inner layer of glass cloth is esentially bonded to the Metal lift
> strut, both through the thin/porous layer of foam, and from areas where
> the foam is slightly cut out at.
>
> There's lots of info for hotwiring small airfoils at
> http://www.nesail.com, the owner's name is Sal DeFrancesco a very nice
> guy, and I'm sure could help to get you going. I have a variable power
> supply from an old soldering station which I use in conjuction with
> a homemade bow.
>
> It is a wortwhile, sloppy wet, nasty process, with a TON of sanding
> involved, and I'm glad I did it, but I never want to do it again. :)
> The composite guys have my respect!
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: kurt schrader smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> Looks good! I am glad that others agree that those
> plastic fairings needing improvement. Yours are very
> close to what our design looks like, and that is the
> method I was going to use too, not that they couldn't
> be done in wood or metal. So a few questions...
>
> Did you have a chance to do before and after
> comparisons of the speed gain you got from them?
>
> How much weight did they add when finished?
>
> My tail wheel instructor doesn't think they will hold
> up to abuse. He likes aluminum. How are yours doing?
>
> Do you know what profile the Dr. used? NACA? I'd like
> to compare. Yours are semetrical. Ours is slightly
> off for more lift at lower speeds - I hope. (Still
> shooting for shorter field performance.)
>
> What voltage did you use across the bow wire and what
> power supply?
>
> How did you cut the center hole, with the bow?
>
> Guess I haven't cut enough foam yet... :-)
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> > "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> > Wow! Deja-Vu - I built a set of foam core fiberglass
> > strut fairings based on an airfoil recommended to me
> > by Dr. Micahel Selig at UIUC a couple years ago.
> > http://www.aselia.com/jshays/liftstruts.htm
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: kurt schrader smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com
> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairings
> >
> > Hi Ted,
> >
> > Yes, I am talking about improvments over the
> > standard
> > strut fairings.
>
> __________________________________
> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
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>
>
> Time: 01:18:01 PM PST US
> From: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
>
> I just finished an annual on my model II with a 532. I didn't build the
> airplane, but did most of the work on the annual, while being supervised
by
> the A&P that signed off the annual. When I reinstalled the exhaust
> extention, I stripped out one of the screw holes. I test flew the
airplane
> without the extention. One cylinder showed about 125 degrees higher egt
and
> was running close to 1200 right after I throttled back from climb to
pattern
> altitude.
>
> Could the missing exhaust extension cause this? If not, where are the
> obvious places to begin looking for the problem??
>
> It was running fine before I changed spark plugs, etc. I made no
> adjustments other than normal service, like cleaning and oiling the air
> filter, etc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> >
> > Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought, have a
> > look at this picture at this link;
> >
> >
>
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll sure
> > find out.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> >
> > dwight purdy wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > >
> > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was worth
> having
> > > a new subject line.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back up
to
> > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > >
> > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue. Could
> > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > >
> > > dwight
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
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>
>
> Time: 01:43:23 PM PST US
> From: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
>
> Thanks for your response.
> I think yours looks just like mine. As I understand it,the first elbow
> has been shortened and a tighter bend. If you look at any other Rotax
elbow
> they are bigger and will not come close to fitting out model ll. I think
> mine wraps around past 90 deg.Say about 100 deg or so. I first heard about
> this in a flying publication. Also in a posting the other week by John
> Larsen :
>
> >>> jopatco@mindspring.com 2004-01-28 >>>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen < jopatco@mindspring.com
> >
>
> Just a note; With modes 1-3, the factory used to cut 2 inches out of
> the cone of the exhaust to make it fit the cowl. This took about 7 hp
> from the engine. One of the fixes we did on the model 4 was to re
> configure the cowl so this trimming was not necessary. You can put an
> extra bend in the exhaust on the earlier models, and avoid de tuning
> the
> pipe, although it has been so long since I worked for the factory, that
>
> I cannot remember exactly what we did.
>
>
> At 07:32 PM 2/24/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> >
> >Hi there,
> >
> >
> >Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought, have a
> >look at this picture at this link;
> >
>
>http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> >
> >
> >I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll sure
> >find out.
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >
> >Torgeir.
> >
> >
> >dwight purdy wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > >
> > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was worth
having
> > > a new subject line.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back up
to
> > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > >
> > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue. Could
> > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > >
> > > dwight
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
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>
>
> Time: 01:45:45 PM PST US
> From: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
> They say nothing matters after the muffler itself.
>
> Dwight
>
>
> At 03:18 PM 2/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
<dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> >
> >I just finished an annual on my model II with a 532. I didn't build the
> >airplane, but did most of the work on the annual, while being supervised
by
> >the A&P that signed off the annual. When I reinstalled the exhaust
> >extention, I stripped out one of the screw holes. I test flew the
airplane
> >without the extention. One cylinder showed about 125 degrees higher egt
and
> >was running close to 1200 right after I throttled back from climb to
pattern
> >altitude.
> >
> >Could the missing exhaust extension cause this? If not, where are the
> >obvious places to begin looking for the problem??
> >
> >It was running fine before I changed spark plugs, etc. I made no
> >adjustments other than normal service, like cleaning and oiling the air
> >filter, etc.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought, have
a
> > > look at this picture at this link;
> > >
> > >
>
>http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll sure
> > > find out.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Torgeir.
> > >
> > >
> > > dwight purdy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > > >
> > > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was worth
> >having
> > > > a new subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back
up to
> > > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > > >
> > > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue.
Could
> > > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > > >
> > > > dwight
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
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>
>
> Time: 02:03:26 PM PST US
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
> > Yes, your pitot is or was bent downward.
>
> Thanks Torgeir and Elbie.
> First, something funny: I got 5 copies of each of your answers. All with
the
> same time of sending. I don't know why, maybe because it was sent to both
my
> email address and the list. Still, why 5? The ways of the internet are
> sometimes obscure.
>
> Here is how my pitot tube is tilted (good to have many digital photos on
my
> hard disk!)
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/pitot.jpg
>
> I choose a photo when I am over the water to get a good horizon. Then I
> measured the angle I drew on the picture. It turns out to be 7 degrees. I
> reckon this is half way between cruise speed (0 degrees) and stall speed
(maybe
> 15 degrees). Looks like a compromise between the two.
> A pitot tube with a windvane sounds great, Elbie. But you are the
"riteAngle
> Man" and you would see everything on a windvane, right? :-) Just kidding,
my friend!
>
> Now, about the "trick to impress friends," yes, I have been thinking that
> opening my ventilation ports (I have only those inlets in the cowling that
I
> close with a piece of foam) would affect the pressure in the cockpit. I
did
> test that a bit, trying to see a difference with it open and close (my son
was
> doing it while I tried to keep level). I can't say that I noticed much
difference.
>
> But you are right that, either those, or the "suction" rotary window type,
will
> affect the air pressure in the cockpit and therefore the air speed, the
> altimeter and transponder readings.
> What I am not sure of is, why neither the original builder, nor the two
other
> owners, have considered installing a static port before. The weird thing
is: I
> have, in the plane's folder, the Denneys installation diagram for the
static
> port. Why wasn't it installed then?
> Maybe I need to make some phone calls.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:07:01 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
>
> Sorry for your mishap. Do you mean the thread going into one of the
> cylinders? If so, you'll have an exhaust leakage and this will for sure
> give EGT difference. If it's just the extension of the exhaust pipe, the
> "add on"- "we" install to avoid "exhaust fume" in the cabin, I'll don't
> think this will matter.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Dave Savener wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
<dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> >
> > I just finished an annual on my model II with a 532. I didn't build the
> > airplane, but did most of the work on the annual, while being supervised
by
> > the A&P that signed off the annual. When I reinstalled the exhaust
> > extention, I stripped out one of the screw holes. I test flew the
airplane
> > without the extention. One cylinder showed about 125 degrees higher egt
and
> > was running close to 1200 right after I throttled back from climb to
pattern
> > altitude.
> >
> > Could the missing exhaust extension cause this? If not, where are the
> > obvious places to begin looking for the problem??
> >
> > It was running fine before I changed spark plugs, etc. I made no
> > adjustments other than normal service, like cleaning and oiling the air
> > filter, etc.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought, have
a
> > > look at this picture at this link;
> > >
> > >
> >
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll sure
> > > find out.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Torgeir.
> > >
> > >
> > > dwight purdy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > > >
> > > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was worth
> > having
> > > > a new subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back
up to
> > > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > > >
> > > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue.
Could
> > > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > > >
> > > > dwight
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:55:02 PM PST US
> From: Larry Martin <Lmar@direcway.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Elevator travel
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Larry Martin <Lmar@direcway.com>
>
>
> I have an Avid MK1V and have discovered the same thing. MY elevator
travel when
> I got it was only rigged to 17 up, 45 down! I was warned that the
airplane
> would "fall out of the sky" so don't take off power until on the ground.
I
> was the 4th owner and the airplane only had 60hrs logged. I also
discovered that
> the rudder did not have appropriate travel. After fixing the elevator to
> travel +30/-17 as per the book, I found I still did not have a good flare
and
> checked the WT&Balance. It was forward of the forward limit, even though
the paper
> work showed it center. Little wonder it fell out of the sky! With those
> items fixed, I still find that the wing still has some lift, but I cannot
get
> it out. I also found that I cannot trim less than about 65mph with the
flaps
> up, power on. With flaps out, and as slow as I can with the stick almost
full
> back, there is nothing left for a good flare. At high speed, I still have
just
> less than neutral trim. My c of g is now forward of the aft limit, but
aft
> of center. I feel that I need to change the angle of the horizontal stab.
> I should be able to trim to approach speed. At the same time I do that,
(hopefully
> in March) I plan to extend the elevator range of travel. Right now it is
> limited by the length of the control rod ends.
> I have considered using vortex generators under the stab, but it is my
understanding
> that it would not work on flat stab like mine.
> I have also found that the tail is vey hard to raise. Lets keep in touch.
The
> aft c of g may help, but I don't think that that is the complete fix. I
think
> the stab is the problem.
> Larry
>
> One thing I noticed after landing was that my trim was
> full nose up. I trimmed for 52 KIAS this time and
> that shows me that I am right there at the fwd CG.
> I'll have to see if I can even use full flaps, or any
> at all, for landing without running out of elevator.
> I landed with 69# of fuel at 1200 lbs total. I
> couldn't catch it, but the stall in ground effect was
> below 40 KIAS somewhere clean.
>
> Now I wonder if I am actually stalling the wing or
> running out of elevator at altitude. I'll have to
> explore the stall deeper, then start moving the CG aft
> with more weight.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:04:28 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Michel,
>
>
> I'm not sure about all the copies you've had.. So..
>
> I know from reading in old files, lot's of people thought that; "in such
> a vented cockpit-, who need a static port".
>
> For your fluctuating airspeed, it's a little more vague to trace. Here
> is several options; fluctuation due to vibration (or foxes can shake or
> instrument panels a lot), fluctuation due to an internal or external
> leakage (airspeed indicator itself or pitot line), fluctuation due to
> water bubble in the pitot line (likely not winter time & ice) and
> fluctuation due to varying static pressure.
>
> OK., the two last can be skipped- agree, then;. Is your "Tango" free of
> vibrations??
>
> A internal instrument leakage can make your needle flickering, but not
> necessarily have much error, the latter due to a "high" flow from your
> piton tube. The second, a leakage in the piton line, also can make
> needle fluctuating.
>
> So, you first test might be to check for piton leakage, next vibration.
>
> My best guess.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Cheers from "Foxtrot" &
>
> Torgeir. :-)
>
>
> Michel Verheughe wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > RiteAngle3@aol.com wrote:
> > > Yes, your pitot is or was bent downward.
> >
> > Thanks Torgeir and Elbie.
> > First, something funny: I got 5 copies of each of your answers. All with
the
> > same time of sending. I don't know why, maybe because it was sent to
both my
> > email address and the list. Still, why 5? The ways of the internet are
> > sometimes obscure.
> >
> > Here is how my pitot tube is tilted (good to have many digital photos on
my
> > hard disk!)
> > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/pitot.jpg
> >
> > I choose a photo when I am over the water to get a good horizon. Then I
> > measured the angle I drew on the picture. It turns out to be 7 degrees.
I
> > reckon this is half way between cruise speed (0 degrees) and stall speed
(maybe
> > 15 degrees). Looks like a compromise between the two.
> > A pitot tube with a windvane sounds great, Elbie. But you are the
"riteAngle
> > Man" and you would see everything on a windvane, right? :-) Just
kidding, my
> friend!
> >
> > Now, about the "trick to impress friends," yes, I have been thinking
that
> > opening my ventilation ports (I have only those inlets in the cowling
that I
> > close with a piece of foam) would affect the pressure in the cockpit. I
did
> > test that a bit, trying to see a difference with it open and close (my
son was
> > doing it while I tried to keep level). I can't say that I noticed much
difference.
> >
> > But you are right that, either those, or the "suction" rotary window
type, will
> > affect the air pressure in the cockpit and therefore the air speed, the
> > altimeter and transponder readings.
> > What I am not sure of is, why neither the original builder, nor the two
other
> > owners, have considered installing a static port before. The weird thing
is:
> I
> > have, in the plane's folder, the Denneys installation diagram for the
static
> > port. Why wasn't it installed then?
> > Maybe I need to make some phone calls.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:08:17 PM PST US
> From: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
>
> I should have made it more clear. It was just one of the screw holes on
the
> Extention that was stripped. I have retapped it for a 1/4" machine screw
> but have yet to reinstall and flight test it.
>
> Since I'm not yet Rotax/2 cycle savvy, where might I look for the cause of
> one cylinder having 125 degrees hotter EGT?
>
> Could one of the new spark plugs be the culprit?
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> >
> > Sorry for your mishap. Do you mean the thread going into one of the
> > cylinders? If so, you'll have an exhaust leakage and this will for sure
> > give EGT difference. If it's just the extension of the exhaust pipe, the
> > "add on"- "we" install to avoid "exhaust fume" in the cabin, I'll don't
> > think this will matter.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> >
> > Dave Savener wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
> <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> > >
> > > I just finished an annual on my model II with a 532. I didn't build
the
> > > airplane, but did most of the work on the annual, while being
supervised
> by
> > > the A&P that signed off the annual. When I reinstalled the exhaust
> > > extention, I stripped out one of the screw holes. I test flew the
> airplane
> > > without the extention. One cylinder showed about 125 degrees higher
egt
> and
> > > was running close to 1200 right after I throttled back from climb to
> pattern
> > > altitude.
> > >
> > > Could the missing exhaust extension cause this? If not, where are the
> > > obvious places to begin looking for the problem??
> > >
> > > It was running fine before I changed spark plugs, etc. I made no
> > > adjustments other than normal service, like cleaning and oiling the
air
> > > filter, etc.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought,
have
> a
> > > > look at this picture at this link;
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll
sure
> > > > find out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Torgeir.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > dwight purdy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
<dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was
worth
> > > having
> > > > > a new subject line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back
> up to
> > > > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > > > >
> > > > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue.
> Could
> > > > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > > > >
> > > > > dwight
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:09:02 PM PST US
> From: N53dw@aol.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 5 bungee gear
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: N53dw@aol.com
>
> Hello
>
> I've been lurking for a while since joining the list. I was a member of
Don
> Pearsall's old list while I was building, but dropped off after that.
I've
> put 105 hours on a Series 5 since August 2001. It has a Stratus EA81 up
front.
>
> I have a set of never-used bungee gear for a Series 5, complete with
axles,
> if anyone is interested. They're powder-coated blue.
>
> Danny Williamson
> Baton Rouge
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:47:37 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> David,
>
> It's just hard to say.. But over all the yrs in the aviation, when such
> thing appear after a maintenance program, we always "new" that this
> "error" had something to do with the last maintenance, -and "always"
> confirmed.
>
> I'll assume you've got only a single ignition system, right? Spark plugs
> "can" fail, but does very seldom to the high quality type we are using.
> (In single ignition system, spark plug failure really bog down your
> engine.)
>
> Most often, -such an error is more or less direct fuel related. Did you
> remove the carb. fuel bowls? Is every thing in place there, as the nylon
> "seeve sleeve" filters, etc. Try thinking through your maintenance
> program, can be valuable.
>
> There is one exception, if your craft is hangared for some time since
> last flight, then issues outside your maintenance is an option.
>
> IMO.
>
> Regards
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Dave Savener wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
<dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> >
> > I should have made it more clear. It was just one of the screw holes on
the
> > Extention that was stripped. I have retapped it for a 1/4" machine
screw
> > but have yet to reinstall and flight test it.
> >
> > Since I'm not yet Rotax/2 cycle savvy, where might I look for the cause
of
> > one cylinder having 125 degrees hotter EGT?
> >
> > Could one of the new spark plugs be the culprit?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> > >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for your mishap. Do you mean the thread going into one of the
> > > cylinders? If so, you'll have an exhaust leakage and this will for
sure
> > > give EGT difference. If it's just the extension of the exhaust pipe,
the
> > > "add on"- "we" install to avoid "exhaust fume" in the cabin, I'll
don't
> > > think this will matter.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Torgeir.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Savener wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
> > <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > > I just finished an annual on my model II with a 532. I didn't build
the
> > > > airplane, but did most of the work on the annual, while being
supervised
> > by
> > > > the A&P that signed off the annual. When I reinstalled the exhaust
> > > > extention, I stripped out one of the screw holes. I test flew the
> > airplane
> > > > without the extention. One cylinder showed about 125 degrees higher
egt
> > and
> > > > was running close to 1200 right after I throttled back from climb to
> > pattern
> > > > altitude.
> > > >
> > > > Could the missing exhaust extension cause this? If not, where are
the
> > > > obvious places to begin looking for the problem??
> > > >
> > > > It was running fine before I changed spark plugs, etc. I made no
> > > > adjustments other than normal service, like cleaning and oiling the
air
> > > > filter, etc.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> > <torgemor@online.no>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi there,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought,
have
> > a
> > > > > look at this picture at this link;
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll
sure
> > > > > find out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Torgeir.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > dwight purdy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
<dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was
worth
> > > > having
> > > > > > a new subject line.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust
back
> > up to
> > > > > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue.
> > Could
> > > > > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dwight
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:56:05 PM PST US
> From: Tc9008@aol.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: HAC CONVERSION
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
> HAS ANYONE USE THE CARB CONVERSION FOR THE 582 ? IT WOULD BE NICE NOT
HAVING
> TO CHANGE THE JETS SO MUCH. BUT DOES IT REALLY WORK?
> TRAVIS
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:13:43 PM PST US
> From: Dcecil3@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CONDUCTIVE GREASE
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> Conductive Grease can be found at any home improvement center in the
> Electrical section. It comes in Abt. a 10 Oz. Bottle and gets all over
everything
> ! It
> aint some mysterious Substance you have to order online. Go to Lowe's or
Home
> Depot or whatever you have in your area and ask (If after 2 Hours you can
> actually find someone who works there) I'm sure they'll be able to help
you and
>
> you won't have to wait for it to come in the mail
> David
Cecil
> KF3#950
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:17:03 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: HAC CONVERSION
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> No, but I've been looking into it for quite some time, this addition
> might be one of the best investment you can do. No more jetting, but
> less fuel too. Yes, this one work, this is the original (previously)
> patented system by Rotax. However, when it was patented, the price for
> the update was much to high.
>
> Now, you can buy this for a reasonable price, even a new carb with the
> vac. outlet-, is not "very" expensive.
>
> This is the best news for the Rotax 2T, -over many years, IMHO.
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Tc9008@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
> >
> > HAS ANYONE USE THE CARB CONVERSION FOR THE 582 ? IT WOULD BE NICE NOT
HAVING
> > TO CHANGE THE JETS SO MUCH. BUT DOES IT REALLY WORK?
> > TRAVIS
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:17:47 PM PST US
> From: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
>
> Torgeir,
>
> Thanks for your thoughtful response. It gives me a good place to begin.
>
> Dave S
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > David,
> >
> > It's just hard to say.. But over all the yrs in the aviation, when such
> > thing appear after a maintenance program, we always "new" that this
> > "error" had something to do with the last maintenance, -and "always"
> > confirmed.
> >
> > I'll assume you've got only a single ignition system, right? Spark plugs
> > "can" fail, but does very seldom to the high quality type we are using.
> > (In single ignition system, spark plug failure really bog down your
> > engine.)
> >
> > Most often, -such an error is more or less direct fuel related. Did you
> > remove the carb. fuel bowls? Is every thing in place there, as the nylon
> > "seeve sleeve" filters, etc. Try thinking through your maintenance
> > program, can be valuable.
> >
> > There is one exception, if your craft is hangared for some time since
> > last flight, then issues outside your maintenance is an option.
> >
> > IMO.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
> >
> > Dave Savener wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
> <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> > >
> > > I should have made it more clear. It was just one of the screw holes
on
> the
> > > Extention that was stripped. I have retapped it for a 1/4" machine
> screw
> > > but have yet to reinstall and flight test it.
> > >
> > > Since I'm not yet Rotax/2 cycle savvy, where might I look for the
cause
> of
> > > one cylinder having 125 degrees hotter EGT?
> > >
> > > Could one of the new spark plugs be the culprit?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for your mishap. Do you mean the thread going into one of the
> > > > cylinders? If so, you'll have an exhaust leakage and this will for
> sure
> > > > give EGT difference. If it's just the extension of the exhaust pipe,
> the
> > > > "add on"- "we" install to avoid "exhaust fume" in the cabin, I'll
> don't
> > > > think this will matter.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Torgeir.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dave Savener wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
> > > <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > I just finished an annual on my model II with a 532. I didn't
build
> the
> > > > > airplane, but did most of the work on the annual, while being
> supervised
> > > by
> > > > > the A&P that signed off the annual. When I reinstalled the
exhaust
> > > > > extention, I stripped out one of the screw holes. I test flew the
> > > airplane
> > > > > without the extention. One cylinder showed about 125 degrees
higher
> egt
> > > and
> > > > > was running close to 1200 right after I throttled back from climb
to
> > > pattern
> > > > > altitude.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could the missing exhaust extension cause this? If not, where are
> the
> > > > > obvious places to begin looking for the problem??
> > > > >
> > > > > It was running fine before I changed spark plugs, etc. I made no
> > > > > adjustments other than normal service, like cleaning and oiling
the
> air
> > > > > filter, etc.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
> > > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: retuning exhaust
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> > > <torgemor@online.no>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi there,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I
thought,
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > look at this picture at this link;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but
you'll
> sure
> > > > > > find out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Torgeir.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dwight purdy wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
> <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was
> worth
> > > > > having
> > > > > > > a new subject line.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust
> back
> > > up to
> > > > > > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an
issue.
> > > Could
> > > > > > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dwight
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 34
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>
>
> Time: 04:31:04 PM PST US
> From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: HAC CONVERSION
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir
>
> The HAC is the feature article in the February EAA
> Experimenter magazine. I believe the Bing 54 carburetor is
> the one used on the Rotax 582. It is available from Green
> Sky Adventures for $189.00 US dollars. Visit
> www.greenskyadventures.com and you can order it there.
>
> Ted Palamarek
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> -
> <<<<<Torgeir said>>>>>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> No, but I've been looking into it for quite some time, this
> addition
> might be one of the best investment you can do. No more
> jetting, but
> less fuel too. Yes, this one work, this is the original
> (previously)
> patented system by Rotax. However, when it was patented, the
> price for
> the update was much to high.
>
> Now, you can buy this for a reasonable price, even a new
> carb with the
> vac. outlet-, is not "very" expensive.
>
> This is the best news for the Rotax 2T, -over many years,
> IMHO.
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 35
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>
>
> Time: 04:31:48 PM PST US
> From: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CONDUCTIVE GREASE
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt
<gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I am sure you do not want to use conductive grease on any of your
electrical connections.
> It should be DIElectric grease. This concentrates the voltage at the
> connection and prevents stray voltage from beeing diverted to areas it is
not
> supposed to go.
>
> Herbert Gottelt
> Mt. Prospect, IL
>
> Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> Conductive Grease can be found at any home improvement center in the
> Electrical section. It comes in Abt. a 10 Oz. Bottle and gets all over
everything
> ! It
> aint some mysterious Substance you have to order online. Go to Lowe's or
Home
> Depot or whatever you have in your area and ask (If after 2 Hours you can
> actually find someone who works there) I'm sure they'll be able to help
you and
>
> you won't have to wait for it to come in the mail
> David Cecil
> KF3#950
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 36
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>
>
> Time: 06:13:21 PM PST US
> From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Sold, will add them right next to Stick and Rudder and a few others.
Thanks
> If you accept Paypal let me know.
>
> Rick N656T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vic Jacko
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Speaking of stick and rudder. I am finished with both of Ed Down's books
> "How to Fly a Kitfox" and "Kitfox Pilot Guide" both of which has only
one
> test flight on them!
>
> I will send to anyone in the USA for $15.00 and pay the postage.
>
> Vic
>
> 505-622-8513
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> >
> > Stick and Rudder is a book, that when you start flying you read it and
> > think it's interesting, when you get some hours, and get really serious
> > about flying, you re-read it, paying attention to the details, and you
> > think - How did I miss this before, this guy really know's his stuff!
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Matt Keyes keyesmp@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:51:01 -0800 (PST)
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stick and Rudder,was Short Field Landings
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes <keyesmp@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Stick and Rudder is a great arm chair flyer and even though it was
written
> > during the glory days of flight, its info will never age. A hard copy
> > eddition sits on the book shelf in our "Airplane room" also known as the
> > spare bedroom/office. I read it in preperation for my ultralight
training
> > and would recommend it to any pilot or aspiring pilot. Its great review
> > and an enjoyable read. I am currently reading Your Pilot's License by
> > Jerry A. Eichenberger. This book is now in its 7th eddition and is also
> > highly recommended. Much of the info pertains to those of us who are
> > newbies, such as myself and do not yet carry a Private ticket, but I
think
> > any pilot will enjoy reading this book. He covers much of the basics and
> > even touches on the proposed Sport Pilot ruling and training. It may
> bring
> > back fond memories for those of you who completed flight training some
> time
> > ago. It will be a nice introduction and or review to those of us that
are
> > just getting started. I found my p
> > aperback
> > copy at Barnes and Noble.
> >
> > Happy arm chair flying!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 37
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>
>
> Time: 07:27:51 PM PST US
> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight and Balance
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
> Hi Patricia,
>
> Hmmmm. Interesting.
> Maybe you have a really beautiful paint job (lots, and thick)?
> Rest is like mine.
> Maybe two 12-13 gal wing tanks?
> Wing lockers?
> Over size tires - 36"????
>
> Cheers,
> bh
>
> > Ski in Africa!? (snow is a very scarce commodity down here! :-)
> > maybe I should remove my make-up bag??
> >
> > On a more serious note: everything is 'standard' KitFox stuff except
> > mabe a Maul pneumatic tailwheel, a GPS (which most pilots have I
> > assume?) (on the firewall), battery is on the cabin side of the fire
> > wall, a gascolator (in front of firewall)??
> >
> > Patricia
> >
> > Ps the pilot is also a little bit 'overweight' at this stage: (7,5
> > months pregnant).. but that will be self-correcting in a few weeks time
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 38
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>
>
> Time: 07:31:37 PM PST US
> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Prop
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
> Hi Lowell,
> Beats me!
> I only forwarded it for the lists info!
> Cheers,
> bh
>
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Is the performance increase a factory claim or is their user experience
that
> > confirms the increase. We get a lot of claims from manufacturers that
when
> > put into service, make me not want to be the first to spend my money.
> >
> > Lowell
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 39
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>
>
> Time: 07:53:41 PM PST US
> From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Prop
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> I was taken in by all the hype and "glowing testimonials" about the Kiev
Hot
> Prop, and purchased one last summer to replace a 3-blade Warp Drive prop I
> was using on a Rans S12XL powered by a Rotax 582. In restrospect, it was
a
> fairly expensive mistake. I think the prop is a little quieter, but
really
> don't see any significant improvement in either climb or cruise speed.
For
> another $150 or so I could have gotten an in-flight adjustable Ivo prop
> which would probably have given much better performance. Call me Sadder
but
> Wiser. By the way, there's an interesting article on props in the March,
> 2004 issue of Kitplanes.
>
> C.N.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Prop
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington"
<aerowood@mcsi.net>
> >
> > Hi Lowell,
> > Beats me!
> > I only forwarded it for the lists info!
> > Cheers,
> > bh
> >
> > > Bruce,
> > >
> > > Is the performance increase a factory claim or is their user
experience
> that
> > > confirms the increase. We get a lot of claims from manufacturers that
> when
> > > put into service, make me not want to be the first to spend my money.
> > >
> > > Lowell
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 40
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>
>
> Time: 07:54:03 PM PST US
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CONDUCTIVE GREASE
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> That makes sense Herb. Where the Skystar instructions call for a
> "conductive grease" is the ground wire to the frame. It may make sense
> there.
>
> As always, thanks list for the education! All of you. David, Norm, Rex,
> Bob, Kurt, Lowell, Robert, John....
>
> Learning is what makes this list great!
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 - Mounting stuff on the panel
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herbert R
> Gottelt
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CONDUCTIVE GREASE
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt
<gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I am sure you do not want to use conductive grease on any of your
electrical
> connections. It should be DIElectric grease. This concentrates the voltage
> at the connection and prevents stray voltage from beeing diverted to areas
> it is not supposed to go.
>
> Herbert Gottelt
> Mt. Prospect, IL
>
> Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> Conductive Grease can be found at any home improvement center in the
> Electrical section. It comes in Abt. a 10 Oz. Bottle and gets all over
> everything ! It
> aint some mysterious Substance you have to order online. Go to Lowe's or
> Home
> Depot or whatever you have in your area and ask (If after 2 Hours you can
> actually find someone who works there) I'm sure they'll be able to help
you
> and
> you won't have to wait for it to come in the mail
> David Cecil
> KF3#950
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 41
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>
>
> Time: 08:17:30 PM PST US
> From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Elevator travel
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
<jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Larry
>
> My Kitfox III also ran out of elevator. Closing the gap with Ski Saver
tape
> gave the greatest improvement. Vortex generators also helped for some
> reason. The Vortex generators under the flat slab elevator made NO
> difference at all.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Martin" <Lmar@direcway.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Elevator travel
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Larry Martin <Lmar@direcway.com>
> >
> >
> > I have an Avid MK1V and have discovered the same thing. MY elevator
> travel when I got it was only rigged to 17 up, 45 down! I was warned that
> the airplane would "fall out of the sky" so don't take off power until on
> the ground. I was the 4th owner and the airplane only had 60hrs logged.
I
> also discovered that the rudder did not have appropriate travel. After
> fixing the elevator to travel +30/-17 as per the book, I found I still did
> not have a good flare and checked the WT&Balance. It was forward of the
> forward limit, even though the paper work showed it center. Little wonder
> it fell out of the sky! With those items fixed, I still find that the
wing
> still has some lift, but I cannot get it out. I also found that I cannot
> trim less than about 65mph with the flaps up, power on. With flaps out,
and
> as slow as I can with the stick almost full back, there is nothing left
for
> a good flare. At high speed, I still have just less than neutral trim.
My
> c of g is now forwar!
> > d of the aft limit, but aft of center. I feel that I need to change the
> angle of the horizontal stab. I should be able to trim to approach speed.
> At the same time I do that, (hopefully in March) I plan to extend the
> elevator range of travel. Right now it is limited by the length of the
> control rod ends.
> > I have considered using vortex generators under the stab, but it is my
> understanding that it would not work on flat stab like mine.
> > I have also found that the tail is vey hard to raise. Lets keep in
touch.
> The aft c of g may help, but I don't think that that is the complete fix.
I
> think the stab is the problem.
> > Larry
> >
> > One thing I noticed after landing was that my trim was
> > full nose up. I trimmed for 52 KIAS this time and
> > that shows me that I am right there at the fwd CG.
> > I'll have to see if I can even use full flaps, or any
> > at all, for landing without running out of elevator.
> > I landed with 69# of fuel at 1200 lbs total. I
> > couldn't catch it, but the stall in ground effect was
> > below 40 KIAS somewhere clean.
> >
> > Now I wonder if I am actually stalling the wing or
> > running out of elevator at altitude. I'll have to
> > explore the stall deeper, then start moving the CG aft
> > with more weight.
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 42
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>
>
> Time: 08:18:03 PM PST US
> From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Purchase
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I'm interested in purchasing an already built Kitfox IV or
similar. (I'm
>
> looking for two seats and folding wings.) I apologize if these have
already
> been covered but I wanted to get the latest thoughts:
>
> 1. What empty weight should I look for?
> 2. Should I hold out for a 1200# gross weight?
> 3. Is a 582 adequate for two, or should I pay for the 912?
> 4. Are there any must-have items?
> 5. What problems should I look out for?
> 6. Hanger rents in the area are about $400/month. I'd therefore like to
> trailer from home, or leave the aircraft at the airport in a toy box.
> (...the way the glider owners do.) Is this practical?
> 7. Anything else I should know?
>
> I'm a PPSEL with tailwheel endorsement and about 100 hours. I hope
to do
>
> all of the maintenance myself.
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Guy
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: firewall seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Thanks Dee, thanks Kurt - that is of course the other option which we
had not considered. Our problem at the moment is the cowl is
just a wee bit too tight in places so will have to cut away a bit more
firewall. But the option of gluing some insulation to the
cowl had simply not occurred to us. How many hours did
I spend trying to get the rubber to stick to the
firewall? Don't ask. Kerry
>
>I also used the 3/8" foam sticky backed insulation manufactured for sealing
>around the doors on your house. Its cheap and works pretty darn good. I
>spent time flying this winter at 0 and was please with the results. No air
>from the fire wall at all.
>
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| Subject: | Re: : firewall seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>I also used the 3/8" foam sticky backed insulation manufactured for sealing
>around the doors on your house. Its cheap and works pretty darn good. I
>spent time flying this winter at 0 and was please with the results. No air
>from the fire wall at all.
***
Please do a burn test first, some of the stuff melts pretty easy, made for
"ambient" temperatures, not those in cowlings!
If cockpit side of firewall fine, engine side ~~ Safety first always
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi there,
Sea Lube is the one to use for fuel fittings etc., used this stuff over
yrs. Looks like "ear" wax, very sticky.
Here is a direct link to Spruce:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php
Torgeir.
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> One of the old no longer on the list gurus recommended "Fuel Lube". I use
> it and no leaks anywhere. It comes in pint cans and if you were close by
> you could use some of mine. A pint will last several lifetimes.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Smathers" <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow!
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
> >
> > Man, can you believe it?
> >
> > I have all my paperwork done, pre-inspection review by eaa and friends,
> > taxi testing and electrical tests done and I am ready! Four years and I
> > (thought) I was ready!
> >
> > I stopped by the hanger today to make sure every thing is ready for the
> > FAA inspector......and I find fuel weep leaking around my header tank
> > full sensor port.......I have tried 3 times to seal that threaded port
> with
> > permatex, and two other aviation grade sealants.....nothing works.
> >
> > I read other earlier last year complaning about the poly tank leaking,
> > and now I know of what you speak!
> >
> > I will wait until after the inspection, then pull out that #$#%@#ing
> > tank and replace it with ??????????????? your suggestions please!
> >
> > What should I use and how much will it cost guys and gals?
> >
> > Thanks for being there.
> >
> > Jeff Smathers N456JT ready for the FAA.....almost.
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Charlie,
I did look into streamlined struts too. I wish SS
used streamline tubing for the struts to begin with.
There has been a problem with the regular streamlined
struts cracking at the tightly bent trailing edge.
Because of that, the tubing has become very expensive
and harder to get, except for the stuff used on
ultralights that is just too weak for us. Now it is
just cheaper to just make fairings for our "iron
pipes".
Kurt S.
--- broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com> wrote:
>
> why not just use streamlined tubing instead of the
> round stuff for the
> struts instead of adding the fairing
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: : firewall seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
No doubt, it is installed on the cockpit side behind the fire wall for just
that reason.
>From: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: : firewall seal
>Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:34:24 EST
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
> >I also used the 3/8" foam sticky backed insulation manufactured for
>sealing
> >around the doors on your house. Its cheap and works pretty darn good. I
> >spent time flying this winter at 0 and was please with the results. No
>air
> >from the fire wall at all.
>***
>Please do a burn test first, some of the stuff melts pretty easy, made for
>"ambient" temperatures, not those in cowlings!
>
>If cockpit side of firewall fine, engine side ~~ Safety first always
>Elbie
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> It's hard to explain "to much" vibration, but if the glareshield (over
> the instrument panel) "tends" to vibrate, you have "some" to much
> vibration.
No, no vibration in the "glareshield," Torgeir. But I agree; contrary to what
the Beach Boys think, there ain't such a thing as "good vibrations!" :-)
> If you are going to change the airspeed
> indicator, it will be wise to make an calibration check.
No, I don't intend to change it. I am happy if the speed is between the two red
marks (Vso and Vne markings, compulsory for Norwegian Microlights). For
navigation purpose, the GPS is fine. For landing, I do it by the seat of my
pants. I reckon that if, by now, I can't "feel" getting close to stall, I have
nothing to do in a plane. Beside that, the speed indicator works, I am probably
exaggerating things. But what I'd like to know is: Does it works as smooth as
say, a car's speed indicator, for you guys?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: A different kind. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Here is another plane from Norway, an Avid with floats and more,
> besides, not that far from Michel. :-)
What? Is Evje "not far" from Tnsberg? ... ok, probably for someone who lives
in Troms! But remember; I am from Belgium. And in Belgium, if you don't have
good brakes on your car, before you manage to stop, you're already out of the
country! That's probably why we have so few tourists! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
just kidding and, please, DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
When I flew last Sunday, the air was pretty calm. I
tried to hold 70 KIAS for a time while circling to get
a ground speed check with the GPS. The ASI did not
vary by more than +/- 3 knots and I think more due to
my flying than the indicator. I did have to look
outside too and that is my excuse! :-) I didn't
notice the indicator vibrating.
Kurt S.
---- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> But what I'd like to know is:
> Does it works as smooth as say, a car's speed
indicator, for you guys?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: N53dw@aol.com
>>>>>Hi Danny,
Would you be so kind as to tell us how your plane
performs with the Stratus and your likes/dislikes of
it? I haven't heard too much from those who bought
the Stratus on this site and I am sure others are
curious too.
Kurt S.<<<<<<<<<<
Well, it trims out at around 100 mph at 4400 rpm, sucking around 4.5 gpm. I
liked how smooth it was (to start with anyway), and how easy it cranks.
Especially warm, I can just look at it hard and it starts. It did delay
construction quite a bit. It took Steve Winder three tries to get the motor mount
right. (Apparently mine was the first Stratus in a Series 5. Skystar was kind
enough to let Steve come over and work off their jigs.) And figuring out the
radiator installation. And dropping the profile of the lower cowl to clear the
flywheel and oil pan. I moved the battery mount to just behind the passenger
seat. If I had bitten the bullet and gone with the straight up 912S
installation, I'd have probably been flying a year sooner. As it was, construction
took
right at three years.
Danny Williamson
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| Subject: | Re: retuning exhaust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Dwight,
Sorry for late reply.
This is interesting info, adding some two inches and gain some 7 hp,
wow..
Should really like to have some more info about, how and where to add
the extra bend.
If there is someone out there having some more details about this "mod",
I'm sure "some" of us like this info. :-) ..
Thanks.
Torgeir.
dwight purdy wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
> Thanks for your response.
> I think yours looks just like mine. As I understand it,the first elbow
> has been shortened and a tighter bend. If you look at any other Rotax elbow
> they are bigger and will not come close to fitting out model ll. I think
> mine wraps around past 90 deg.Say about 100 deg or so. I first heard about
> this in a flying publication. Also in a posting the other week by John
> Larsen :
>
> >>> jopatco@mindspring.com 2004-01-28 >>>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen < jopatco@mindspring.com
> >
>
> Just a note; With modes 1-3, the factory used to cut 2 inches out of
> the cone of the exhaust to make it fit the cowl. This took about 7 hp
> from the engine. One of the fixes we did on the model 4 was to re
> configure the cowl so this trimming was not necessary. You can put an
> extra bend in the exhaust on the earlier models, and avoid de tuning
> the
> pipe, although it has been so long since I worked for the factory, that
>
> I cannot remember exactly what we did.
>
> At 07:32 PM 2/24/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> >
> >Hi there,
> >
> >
> >Hmm, I've a 532 with the full lenght exhaust stack (?) I thought, have a
> >look at this picture at this link;
> >
> >http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1077647236
> >
> >
> >I'm not sure if this is somewhat like the "503" setup, but you'll sure
> >find out.
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >
> >Torgeir.
> >
> >
> >dwight purdy wrote:
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> > >
> > > I asked this in a previous email yesterday and thought it was worth having
> > > a new subject line.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever come up with a good way to get the exhaust back up to
> > > Rotax specs. for the model 1thru 3?
> > >
> > > When I converted from a 532 to a 503 it really became an issue. Could
> > > really use that lost power when carrying a passenger.
> > >
> > > dwight
> > >
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
My airspeed-indicator is smooth as ever, even better than a
"speedometer". :-)
Torgeir.
But what I'd like to know is: Does it works as smooth as
> say, a car's speed indicator, for you guys?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I use vinyl tape you can purchase at Lowes. It is sold in the winter
insulation section. I have never had it come off or crack. I think it's
brand name is Frostproof. It is about two inches wide. Take two pieces and
overlap about half,sticky to sticky. Now put one side on the top of the
horizontal tail and the other side on the bottom of the elevator. This
works great for the model 1to 3. By overlapping the sticky there is almost
no exposed sticky to attract dirt.
Dwight
At 05:40 AM 2/26/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold Flynn <hflynn46531@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Glenn Horne <glennflys@rcn.com> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne"
>
>Anybody know where I can get some
>gap seals for my KitFox Model II?
>Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
>
>
> You can get at a snow ski shop. They call it ski protection tape.
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Incredible service! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I've never seen anything like this!
I own two Lightspeed headsets. One of them, a 20 XL, was purchased at
Oshkosh 2002, the other, a 20K, is 6 years old. The K model was so badly
used and abused that it was falling apart. The headband was broken, head pad
worn and falling off, ear seals completely worn out and it just plain didn't
work. The 20XL was in good physical shape except that the chord had been
stretched and the wires broken.
I sent them to Lightspeed last week on Wednesday. I included a note for them
to call me to tell me how much it would cost to repair the older headset.
Well, today, Thursday, a week and day after I shipped them, I found a box on
my door with both headsets repaired and looking like new. Best of all, there
was no charge. Not even for the old beat up headset. They even apologized
for the inconvenience. My hats off to Lightspeed!
Cliff
Erie, CO kitfox 5
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Kurt, Here is an applet for determining TAS from your GPS. It requires
only three legs at cardinal headings.
http://www.reacomp.com/true_airspeed/index.html#instructions
Lowell
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Michel,
>
> When I flew last Sunday, the air was pretty calm. I
> tried to hold 70 KIAS for a time while circling to get
> a ground speed check with the GPS. The ASI did not
> vary by more than +/- 3 knots and I think more due to
> my flying than the indicator. I did have to look
> outside too and that is my excuse! :-) I didn't
> notice the indicator vibrating.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> ---- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > But what I'd like to know is:
> > Does it works as smooth as say, a car's speed
> indicator, for you guys?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Incredible service! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Cliff,
I had a very similar experience with David Clarks..... Nice to know there
is still CUSTOMER SERVICE out there.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail..
but, a true friend will be sitting in the cell next to you saying,
"Damn...that was fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Begnaud
Subject: Kitfox-List: Incredible service!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I've never seen anything like this!
I own two Lightspeed headsets. One of them, a 20 XL, was purchased at
Oshkosh 2002, the other, a 20K, is 6 years old. The K model was so badly
used and abused that it was falling apart. The headband was broken, head pad
worn and falling off, ear seals completely worn out and it just plain didn't
work. The 20XL was in good physical shape except that the chord had been
stretched and the wires broken.
I sent them to Lightspeed last week on Wednesday. I included a note for them
to call me to tell me how much it would cost to repair the older headset.
Well, today, Thursday, a week and day after I shipped them, I found a box on
my door with both headsets repaired and looking like new. Best of all, there
was no charge. Not even for the old beat up headset. They even apologized
for the inconvenience. My hats off to Lightspeed!
Cliff
Erie, CO kitfox 5
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| Subject: | Re: Incredible service! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
I second that - I sent my 15K headset off because the band had cracked a
couple months ago. It was a tiny crack but I figured I'd get them fixed for
the spring season. I got them back within the week with new leather gel ear
seals at no charge (none at all) and the old ones weren't really bad - just
slightly frayed where my sun glasses had worn on them.... I WILL BUY
ANOTHER SET - and IT WILL be a LIGHTSPEED... Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Incredible service!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I've never seen anything like this!
> I own two Lightspeed headsets. One of them, a 20 XL, was purchased at
> Oshkosh 2002, the other, a 20K, is 6 years old. The K model was so badly
> used and abused that it was falling apart. The headband was broken, head
pad
> worn and falling off, ear seals completely worn out and it just plain
didn't
> work. The 20XL was in good physical shape except that the chord had been
> stretched and the wires broken.
> I sent them to Lightspeed last week on Wednesday. I included a note for
them
> to call me to tell me how much it would cost to repair the older headset.
> Well, today, Thursday, a week and day after I shipped them, I found a box
on
> my door with both headsets repaired and looking like new. Best of all,
there
> was no charge. Not even for the old beat up headset. They even apologized
> for the inconvenience. My hats off to Lightspeed!
> Cliff
> Erie, CO kitfox 5
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Incredible service! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fisher" <fisher@osprey.net>
Cliff glad to hear Lightspeed treated you so well, I also have had the same
type of service from Lightspeed. Garmin is another great company to deal
with. Great day today in Kansas. BF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Incredible service!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I've never seen anything like this!
> I own two Lightspeed headsets. One of them, a 20 XL, was purchased at
> Oshkosh 2002, the other, a 20K, is 6 years old. The K model was so badly
> used and abused that it was falling apart. The headband was broken, head
pad
> worn and falling off, ear seals completely worn out and it just plain
didn't
> work. The 20XL was in good physical shape except that the chord had been
> stretched and the wires broken.
> I sent them to Lightspeed last week on Wednesday. I included a note for
them
> to call me to tell me how much it would cost to repair the older headset.
> Well, today, Thursday, a week and day after I shipped them, I found a box
on
> my door with both headsets repaired and looking like new. Best of all,
there
> was no charge. Not even for the old beat up headset. They even apologized
> for the inconvenience. My hats off to Lightspeed!
> Cliff
> Erie, CO kitfox 5
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Incredible service! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Same thing happened to me Cliff. Mine had a wiring problem and wouldn't
transmitt. They didn't repair it at all. What I received back from them
was a brand new headset.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I've never seen anything like this!
> I own two Lightspeed headsets. One of them, a 20 XL, was purchased at
> Oshkosh 2002, the other, a 20K, is 6 years old. The K model was so badly
> used and abused that it was falling apart. The headband was broken, head
pad
> worn and falling off, ear seals completely worn out and it just plain
didn't
> work. The 20XL was in good physical shape except that the chord had been
> stretched and the wires broken.
> I sent them to Lightspeed last week on Wednesday. I included a note for
them
> to call me to tell me how much it would cost to repair the older headset.
> Well, today, Thursday, a week and day after I shipped them, I found a box
on
> my door with both headsets repaired and looking like new. Best of all,
there
> was no charge. Not even for the old beat up headset. They even apologized
> for the inconvenience. My hats off to Lightspeed!
> Cliff
> Erie, CO kitfox 5
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 2/26/04 2:26:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, michel@online.no
writes:
For landing, I do it by the seat of my
pants. I reckon that if, by now, I can't "feel" getting close to stall, I have
nothing to do in a plane.
Please never say that! I've lost friends who had well over 10000 hours due
to stalling, were darn good pilots who were distracted by a rough engine on
downwind and traffic coming at them entering the pattern, and didn't "feel" due
to the distraction ~ No one plans on an accident!!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Incredible service! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Ditto on their customer service, good folks.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Incredible service!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Same thing happened to me Cliff. Mine had a wiring problem and wouldn't
transmitt. They didn't repair it at all. What I received back from them
was a brand new headset.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I've never seen anything like this!
> I own two Lightspeed headsets. One of them, a 20 XL, was purchased at
> Oshkosh 2002, the other, a 20K, is 6 years old. The K model was so badly
> used and abused that it was falling apart. The headband was broken, head
pad
> worn and falling off, ear seals completely worn out and it just plain
didn't
> work. The 20XL was in good physical shape except that the chord had been
> stretched and the wires broken.
> I sent them to Lightspeed last week on Wednesday. I included a note for
them
> to call me to tell me how much it would cost to repair the older headset.
> Well, today, Thursday, a week and day after I shipped them, I found a box
on
> my door with both headsets repaired and looking like new. Best of all,
there
> was no charge. Not even for the old beat up headset. They even apologized
> for the inconvenience. My hats off to Lightspeed!
> Cliff
> Erie, CO kitfox 5
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nuts! Header tank leaking...FAA sign off tommorrow! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
Jeff, just to give you one more option to think about, I stopped mine from
leaking as we frequently to with problem threaded joints in my line of work.
Remove the problem fitting and clean both male and female threads. Apply a
generous amount of Teflon tape and top off with your favorite fuel compatible
thread sealant. This method even worked on the older style header tank, which
incidentally was shipped with Teflon tape on the port fittings, but no backup
thread sealant. Contrary to popular belief the Teflon tape is of no concern at
this stage. Teflon tape may enter the fuel system if the fitting is removed at
a later date and care is not taken to clean the male and female threads while
paying particular attention to not allow any debris to enter fuel system.
Good luck.
William Willyard
Classic IV
Grandville, MI
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Power loss |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Steve, Thanks for the response to my 582 power loss. I checked the prop pitch
last Aug, when I did my Annual Conditioning Inspection . I have the 3
blade ground adjustable GSC Prop. To reach the 6200 static RPM, I started
at 11 degrees, I don't remember how many times I readjusted that Prop. until
I finally got it right, I ended up at 21 degrees. That has been satisfactory for
6200 RPM ever sense. The Pitch has always stayed put, and only a slight nudge with
the torque wrence at the annual.
I have the glass puralator in line filter coming from each wing tank that
leads into the header tank. Thats the only filters I have, and you can visualy
check them before each flight. I change the filter at annual inspection and
the only thing I ever found was a little fiberglass Fuz.
I haven't checked the Carb. sockets lately, but I keep them well greased,
and I will check them up close now.
I always do a 7 minute warm up and the water Temp. is usually 160
degrees, and the EGT's are 900 to a 1000.
I dercarbonized the Rings and Pistons 25 hrs ago ( 153.6 hrs ) and
the engine has always performed excelent before and after, except these two incedents.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Magdic
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Power loss
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Did you check the pitch on your prop, blade to blade and compare?
(Providing your prop is pitch adjustable)
Fuel Filter OK? Could be partially blocked and when high flow is needed
it can't get to the carbs. How are your EGT's when applying full power?
One step at a time, you'll find it.
Steve Magdic
Model 3 - 912
-----Original Message-----
From: david yeamans [mailto:dafox@ckt.net]
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Power loss
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
I know this issue is about three weeks old, but my 582 is having that
same kind of power loss, again. (RPM slowing down to 5100 to 5200
on ground roll ) I was wondering after all the suggestions, if it solved anyones
problem ?
I had this problem a year ago december, 2002. My first thought was the
fuel sence it was over 60 days old. I drained both tanks and header tank,
and replaced with fresh fuel, purged the lines, done a fuel flow test, it
tested at 12 gals an hr. fuel pump was working, checked floats in carbs.
OK, installed new plugs, even put in new battery. none of this worked !!
After a suggestion to call an authorized Rotax dealer and explain the
problem. He said the Nut on the Tapered Prop shaft that is connected
in the Gear Box, needs tighten'd. He said he's tighten'd 100's of them,
and no doubt , that is the problem. Took off the gear box, after draining,
went to town to find a big mechanic with a big wrench. He put all he had
on the wrench and felt like it was tight as it could get. ..... Reasembled
everything, went to fly, and the same thing. power loss on ground roll.
called Rotax again, the same guy said I needed a cheater bar and put
more grunt into it. This time the wrench is 3 feet long. reasembled ,went
to fly, and still the same thing, Called the Rotax guy again, and he said
to put a longer cheater bar on the wrench, 4 or 5 feet if necessary. A Pilot
friend of mine who weighs 240 lbs was on the end of this 5 foot wrench
giving it all he had. nothing broke !! I was surprised !!! Reasembled, went
to fly and still the same thing. I didn't call Rotax back. and a funny thing,
I asked the Rotax dealer and shop mechanic at the time if it could be the
fuel, and he said,no way. Well, to make a long story longer. My 240
lb friend suggested to re set the neddle jet to a different setting, I said it
won't do any good,after all,I was told from the true source that wasn't the
problem. I moved the Jet one knotch, and the 582 has performed
perfect ever sense................. Until now. I installed new plugs, changed
the Jet needle setting in the Carbs, from full rich to next to full lean, and
still
nothing helps. What worked before, doesn't work now.
What do I do now ? Help !!!
At 5100 RPM the 582 developes 43.6 HP. Enough to still fly the Kitfox,
which I do. After reaching pattern altitude and level off, I put the nose down
the engine picks up speed, and from there on the engine performs just fine.
Until the next ground roll. and then the same thing, until I get to pattern
altitude and put the nose down.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Dear Torgeir,
Thanks for your input and concern, there has been a lot of response
on the problem with the 582 power loss. It seems to be a problem with more
than one solution. finding that solution is a problem. When this power loss
first happened .I too thought it could be on the edge of a seizure, but that
was not the problem, Happy about that !!!!!!
After putting the nose down the power comes up, but a little sluggish.
When I was testing, my daughter drives in the driveway at the end of the runway,
I decide to make a low high speed pass, and that it was, I had to
throutle back to keep from exceeding the VNE . The engine reved to 6500
RPM and I was right at 110 MPH, I did have a down hill start though. Now,
wouldn't you think everything was OK. Not so, on ground roll, again, the
power droped off to 5100 to 5200.
I don't remember if I richen'd or leaned the Carbs at the first problem,
that was over a year ago. However this time, I went both directions, and
either one didn't help. I am' going to replace the " Pulse " line to the Fuel
pump just to make sure that will not be the problem,
I'm enclined to believe this is a fuel problem also. But Where ?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Torgeir Mortensen
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Power loss
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi David,
Must say, when I first read through this I was thinking about seizure,
of some kind. However, when you say; put the nose down-, do you really
get full power from that point(?), I.E. can climb as normal with 6200 or
so- RPM?
You said the first (time) change of the needle height corrected the
problem, did you lift the needle (enrich) or ?.
I'll think this is a fuel "starving" problem, and something is getting
worse.
Low nose really increase (gravity) fuel pressure, so ..
I a "past" discussion, someone mentioned that you can fly with just
gravity fuel, but the RPM will be restricted- and high EGT.
Have you checked the "pulse" line between the fuel pump and the engine?
If this one is leaking (small invisible cracks), your fuel pressure is
reduced.
My best guess..
Good luck
Torgeir.
(PS. Don't fly before this thing is fixed..)
david yeamans wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>
> I know this issue is about three weeks old, but my 582 is having that
> same kind of power loss, again. (RPM slowing down to 5100 to 5200
> on ground roll ) I was wondering after all the suggestions, if it solved anyones
problem ?
>
> I had this problem a year ago december, 2002. My first thought was the
> fuel sence it was over 60 days old. I drained both tanks and header tank,
> and replaced with fresh fuel, purged the lines, done a fuel flow test, it
> tested at 12 gals an hr. fuel pump was working, checked floats in carbs.
> OK, installed new plugs, even put in new battery. none of this worked !!
> After a suggestion to call an authorized Rotax dealer and explain the
> problem. He said the Nut on the Tapered Prop shaft that is connected
> in the Gear Box, needs tighten'd. He said he's tighten'd 100's of them,
> and no doubt , that is the problem. Took off the gear box, after draining,
> went to town to find a big mechanic with a big wrench. He put all he had
> on the wrench and felt like it was tight as it could get. ..... Reasembled
> everything, went to fly, and the same thing. power loss on ground roll.
> called Rotax again, the same guy said I needed a cheater bar and put
> more grunt into it. This time the wrench is 3 feet long. reasembled ,went
> to fly, and still the same thing, Called the Rotax guy again, and he said
> to put a longer cheater bar on the wrench, 4 or 5 feet if necessary. A Pilot
> friend of mine who weighs 240 lbs was on the end of this 5 foot wrench
> giving it all he had. nothing broke !! I was surprised !!! Reasembled, went
> to fly and still the same thing. I didn't call Rotax back. and a funny thing,
> I asked the Rotax dealer and shop mechanic at the time if it could be the
> fuel, and he said,no way. Well, to make a long story longer. My 240
> lb friend suggested to re set the neddle jet to a different setting, I said
it
> won't do any good,after all,I was told from the true source that wasn't the
> problem. I moved the Jet one knotch, and the 582 has performed
> perfect ever sense................. Until now. I installed new plugs, changed
> the Jet needle setting in the Carbs, from full rich to next to full lean, and
still
> nothing helps. What worked before, doesn't work now.
>
> What do I do now ? Help !!!
>
> At 5100 RPM the 582 developes 43.6 HP. Enough to still fly the Kitfox,
> which I do. After reaching pattern altitude and level off, I put the nose
down
> the engine picks up speed, and from there on the engine performs just fine.
> Until the next ground roll. and then the same thing, until I get to pattern
> altitude and put the nose down.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Lowell,
That sure is faster than my "Whiz Wheel". Got it on
my "favorite places" now. :-)
Since the wind was so little, my circular readings
were not a problem Sunday. 70-74 Knots GPS, vs 70
indicated and 73 True off my Whiz Wheel. For a quick
check, it is within ~1 Knot. I'll do more checks at
different speeds later using the cardinal heading
method.
Kurt S.
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> Kurt, Here is an applet for determining TAS from
> your GPS. It requires
> only three legs at cardinal headings.
>
http://www.reacomp.com/true_airspeed/index.html#instructions
>
> Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Danny,
My Soob ran really smooth at first too. We discussed
this on the list with other Soob builders and it seems
that adjusting the valves and changing plugs cures the
roughness. After only 10 hrs, but almost all at full
rich and for short duration, I changed my plugs and it
did do much better. I have the hydraulic valves, so
that was not my problem.
BTW, I am sure you meant 4.5 gph, not per minute. :-)
Even my turbo Soob can't pump that much thru.
I am still learning how to start mine. I tend to
under prime when cold and over prime when hot, but
each time I get it started faster.
> Kurt S.<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Well, it trims out at around 100 mph at 4400 rpm,
> sucking around 4.5 gpm. I
> liked how smooth it was (to start with anyway), and
> how easy it cranks.
> Especially warm, I can just look at it hard and it
> starts. It did delay
> construction quite a bit. It took Steve Winder
> three tries to get the motor mount
> right. (Apparently mine was the first Stratus in a
> Series 5. Skystar was kind
> enough to let Steve come over and work off their
> jigs.) And figuring out the
> radiator installation. And dropping the profile of
> the lower cowl to clear the
> flywheel and oil pan. I moved the battery mount to
> just behind the passenger
> seat. If I had bitten the bullet and gone with the
> straight up 912S
> installation, I'd have probably been flying a year
> sooner. As it was, construction took
> right at three years.
>
> Danny Williamson
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Power loss |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi David,
Where do you measure the pitch? At the tips?
What length GSC prop? 68"?
With my 582 and 3 blade GSC, either 66" wide tip, or 68" narrow tip,
I measured at the 25% or 33% from tip point, which ever was recommended by GSC.
At this point on the blade, it was about 14 for winter, 13 for summer.
The tip has more pitch than at the correct point, and I found the tips angle
was not all the same!
I think you have too much pitch (6500 on descent and 110 mph!!!!!).
Someone on the list should be able to tell you the proper distance to measure
pitch at.
Don't use the tips. Use 13 or 14 at the proper location on the blades.
IMHO,
bh (occassionally good at diagnosing problems in the past)
> Steve, Thanks for the response to my 582 power loss. I checked the prop
pitch last Aug, when I did my Annual Conditioning Inspection . I have the 3
> blade ground adjustable GSC Prop. To reach the 6200 static RPM, I started
> at 11 degrees, I don't remember how many times I readjusted that Prop. until
> I finally got it right, I ended up at 21 degrees. That has been satisfactory
for
> 6200 RPM ever sense. The Pitch has always stayed put, and only a slight nudge
with the torque wrence at the annual.
>
>
After putting the nose down the power comes up, but a little sluggish.
When I was testing, my daughter drives in the driveway at the end of the runway,
I decide to make a low high speed pass, and that it was, I had to
throutle back to keep from exceeding the VNE . The engine reved to 6500
RPM and I was right at 110 MPH, I did have a down hill start though. Now,
wouldn't you think everything was OK. Not so, on ground roll, again, the
power droped off to 5100 to 5200.
I dercarbonized the Rings and Pistons 25 hrs ago ( 153.6 hrs ) and
the engine has always performed excelent before and after, except these two
incedents.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Jeff,
Do not archive.
I agree, modeling is not just fun but about innovation
and creativity. I sent your links on to Michel's
friend and my fairing designer, the Frenchman, too
since they both like to do computer modeling and
simulations. Sharing the fun... The only problem
(kidding) I have with the Frenchman is that he
sometimes tries to turn it into a work of art and my
plane is not that good looking. :-) Or is it me?
:-(
I found that if I work hard at making things good
right off, even the little things, I am not sorry for
doing it later. The things I regret on my KF are
those I hurried thru. Only a few things left to get
right and then, hopefully, it is just maintenance and
fun flying after that.
Thanks again for the help,
Kurt S.
--- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com> >
>
> Hi Kurt -
>
> No problem on the links. With regard to the struts,
> I went the
> simple and expedient way, I called somebody who does
> a lot of work
> with aerodynamics, said what I was doing, and what
> would they
> suggest? I then simply hacked it together.
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| Subject: | Elevator travel and gap seal pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
I will try to get some photos this weekend. (Gap seal and VG's)
Jim Shumaker
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
>
> Hi Jim
> Any photos of your model III with Ski Tape and Vortex Gen installed?
> Thanks
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Earl Stevens" <earlaa@hotmail.com>
What ignition system does it use? Also, what is the exhaust/muffler congifuration?
Earl
----Original Message Follows----
From: N53dw@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: (no subject)
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: N53dw@aol.com
Hi Danny,
Would you be so kind as to tell us how your plane
performs with the Stratus and your likes/dislikes of
it?I haven't heard too much from those who bought
the Stratus on this site and I am sure others are
curious too.
Kurt S.
Well, it trims out at around 100 mph at 4400 rpm, sucking around 4.5 gpm.I
liked how smooth it was (to start with anyway), and how easy it cranks.
Especially warm, I can just look at it hard and it starts.It did delay
construction quite a bit.It took Steve Winder three tries to get the motor mount
right.(Apparently mine was the first Stratus in a Series 5.Skystar was kind
enough to let Steve come over and work off their jigs.)And figuring out the
radiator installation.And dropping the profile of the lower cowl to clear the
flywheel and oil pan. I moved the battery mount to just behind the passenger
seat.If I had bitten the bullet and gone with the straight up 912S
installation, I'd have probably been flying a year sooner.As it was, construction
took
right at three years.
Danny Williamson
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