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1. 12:24 AM - Re: Spam, from where? (Kitfox)
2. 03:41 AM - Re: Spam, from where? (michel)
3. 04:29 AM - Re: Link to Mike Stratman's tech. artickles. (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:42 AM - Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism (Jeff Hays)
5. 06:10 AM - N85AE (Norm Beauchamp)
6. 06:39 AM - Cynicism (michel)
7. 06:46 AM - Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism (Fox5flyer)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Cynicism (Aerobatics@aol.com)
9. 07:36 AM - anyone have a large bag pod for sale.. (daniel johnson)
10. 08:28 AM - Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
11. 08:28 AM - Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism (steve cooper)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: large bag pod (Steve M)
13. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: large bag pod (W Duke)
14. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: large bag pod (Fox5flyer)
15. 09:27 AM - Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism (Don Pearsall)
16. 09:37 AM - Re: Spam, from where? ()
17. 02:07 PM - Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (Scott McClintock)
18. 02:31 PM - Re: GEL batteries. (Scott McClintock)
19. 02:34 PM - Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
20. 02:59 PM - Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (flier)
21. 03:50 PM - Stratus Kitfox 5 (N53dw@aol.com)
22. 04:28 PM - Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (Fox5flyer)
23. 05:44 PM - Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (flier)
24. 06:43 PM - Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (Aerobatics@aol.com)
25. 07:15 PM - Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE (Flier)
26. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: large bag pod (Bob Unternaehrer)
27. 07:42 PM - wings (Bill Pleso)
28. 07:49 PM - [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
29. 09:13 PM - Re: wings (Don Pearsall)
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| Subject: | Re: Spam, from where? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <kitfox.england@ntlworld.com>
I have received two Spams this morning which do not even have my E-mail
address on them !!!!!!. One each from two of my ISP's. I have added the
details for one of them below.
How does that happen?
Martin Dovey
Kitfox Mk 3.5 G-BTSV
Kitfox Mk 4.0 G-BZIB
id
<20040303050953.WUTF21785.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@adsl-68-125-27-178.dsl.irvn
ca.pacbell.net>;
02:04:22 -0300
From: "Hilary Crow" <steve_Connors085@yahoo.com>
Subject: V1AGKRA 80% DISCOUNT !!V1AGKRA 80% DISCOUNT !! stag huge
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| Subject: | Spam, from where? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Kitfox" <kitfox.england@ntlworld.com>
>I have received two Spams this morning which do not even have my E-mail
>address on them !!!!!!.
Don't try to understand, Martin, these bastards are too clever. I even get
messages from administrators saying that I send virus. How could I, I use
Netscape on a Macintosh? No, they steal our identity to conduct their filthy
business.
Torgeir, like Elbie, I have the same email address for more than a decade and
I foolishly let it apparent on different Web sites. Now I regret as I get tons
of spam. But by using our ISP Telenor filter (that cost NOK 29 per month) 99%
is filtered out. Just a thought.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Link to Mike Stratman's tech. artickles. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> So, here is Mike Stratman's tech articles about (mostly two strokes)
> lot's of interesting things.
> I.E. There is an article (all are in pdf) about "Anti freeze in aluminum
> engine", or the various exhaust stack for two strokes.
> Here is the link:
> http://www.800-airwolf.com/articles.htm
> Regards
> Torgeir.
Thanks for sending this Torgeir. Even though I no longer use the 582 it's
interesting reading and educational. Very valuable stuff to keep available.
Darrel
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| Subject: | Was IO-240B - Cynicism |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
John -
Some of my views, and ideas are based on cynicism directly as
a result of having been flamed, by whom the flame senders
are, and what they have to say.
My views are solely my own, and wholly based on my own
personal experience as a builder, and having gone to a great
many airshows, dinners, etc. I personally think that there
are a few, builder's who're greatly into their own egotistical
world, and the concept "Sleeping with the Factory" actually
has more to do with "Ego Fueling", than anything else.
Admittedly this is cynical, and just my view. Some would say
it is just my own weak ego that compells me to post to the list
anyway. :)
Regards,
Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IO240 vs Rotax 914 Performance comparison -
Continued
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
I have been trying to keep quiet but.......
About the flaming, who cares....
What good does a personal attack do for anyone ???
I actually thought about writing an article called "Sleeping
with the Factory", sort of a look at the dark side of the
airshow business.....
This could be an interesting article.... Would this be from personal
experience ?? and from multiple perspectives from different manufactures and
there customers ?? or just a personal opinion ?? Would it involve the
certifieds as well as the experimentals ?? Do you have first hand knowledge
of the airshow business ??
What get's me about this list, some times is that you would think
builders would use it as a forum, to share common complaints,
and problems, and to provide some feedback about this product
that we've all shovelled out a lot of cash for. But rather, if
you express, anything other than "uplifting" good news, or
"cheerfully given" advice. Then you get flamed, or worse
threatened with being kicked off the list.
I don't think that is a true statement... If what is given is factual and
helpful in regards to the building of or operating of I don't feel anyone
has a problem with that.
I know a few builder's who don't post to this list for exactly
this reason, and they're people with knowledge, and opinions that
are worth hearing.
Do they not post because they have nothing positive to offer.... opinions
are like noses.. everybody has one.
Just my opinion........
Blue Skies!!
John McBean
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail..
but, a true friend will be sitting in the cell next to you saying,
"Damn...that was fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Hays
Subject: Kitfox-List: IO240 vs Rotax 914 Performance comparison - Continued
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I agree with you on the 914 for weight, also the 912 is a good
engine as well. But when you really shake them out, the IO-240B
has twice the TBO of either of those engines. It is a well
built engine.
The biggest negative I can see with the IO-240B is cost, they
are simply very expensive now. When I bought mine it was about
$16K from TCM brand new, now it's much higher. (with the
exception of Mattituck, who's making an experimental version
for aroung $16K).
If I were building one today, it is quite possible I would pick
a 914. I have also thought about an O-200 for Hotrodding
potential, since there's a lot of high performance O-200
parts out there.
About the flaming, who cares. I have a website, which a lot of
builders look at. I'll just make a "psychosis of so-and-so page
and post all the email, and my real opinions there". That's off
the list, and my personal domain where I can say what I want
about anything. :) Simple things amuse me ...
I actually thought about writing an article called "Sleeping
with the Factory", sort of a look at the dark side of the
airshow business, and the seduction of buyers with the selling
of dreams, and the builder's who's planes are always featured
at the tents, and at the dinners, etc. But to do that, would
certainly make a lot of enemies. (actually this opinion probably
just did as well).
What get's me about this list, some times is that you would think
builders would use it as a forum, to share common complaints,
and problems, and to provide some feedback about this product
that we've all shovelled out a lot of cash for. But rather, if
you express, anything other than "uplifting" good news, or
"cheerfully given" advice. Then you get flamed, or worse
threatened with being kicked off the list.
I know a few builder's who don't post to this list for exactly
this reason, and they're people with knowledge, and opinions that
are worth hearing.
Well anyway, that's just some opinions I happen to have.
Cheers,
Jeff
Kitfox N85AE IO-240B http://www.aselia.com/jshays/outback.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
Seehafer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IO240 vs Rotax 914 Performance comparison -
Captain Zoom
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Jeff:
I kind of like the IO-240 myself because it is definitely easier to find
someone to repair it locally verses a Rotax 914. Plus, it is a much simpler
engine and offers more horsepower. So, I can understand people wanting to
use the IO-240. But in my case, I have an addiction to water flying, and
have been totally spoiled by having flown an amphib for the last 10 years.
But unfortunately, adding the weight and drag of amphibious floats is
probably the ultimate test of an aircrafts ability. So, in the interest of
useful load and overall empty weight (plus horsepower per pound) I find the
912s or 914 to be the only real option, unless you want to exceed
recommended gross weight limits. Which I'd prefer not to do unless I
absolutely would have to.
If I never felt the need for an amphib (or even a straight float plane),
deciding between the Rotax and the Continental would be really tough. They
are both great engines. We're lucky to have such good choices.
Homebuilders 25 years ago weren't so fortunate.
I'm still plugging away at my Model IV/1200 with an 80 hp 912ul that is
going on Aerocet amphibs. It will make a marginal amphib at best. But
being a Kitfox, I know it will still be loads of fun!
Too bad about the flaming problem. I didn't read anything into your post
that offended me. Personally I enjoy a different point of view. It helps
me to learn. So keep posting and we can all enjoy what we've all learned
from our own experiences as well as what we've learned from others. Like a
friend of mine likes to say, "That's what makes for good horse racing..."
Paul
Central Wisconsin
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Jeff,
Nice acft. , panel, and site. Norm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com> =====
>Some of my views, and ideas are based on cynicism directly as
>a result of having been flamed, by whom the flame senders
>are, and what they have to say.
Flames are on all lists and forum. We meet there because we are passionate
about what we do. Flames come from passion. I'd rather see flames than
indifference. The trick then is to exit a flame in a polite and friendly way
with no hard feelings.
cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Alright, enough already! Jeff, it's you that keeps stirring the pot and
it's obvious you're trying everything you can to get an adversarial
situation going, and it's not the first time. As far as I can recall nobody
has publicly flamed you on this list, only privately, and you made that
public for the purpose of creating controversy. Being on this List is a
privilage for everyone which means you follow the rules, both written and
moral, and fit in with the spirit and intent that ensures harmony. Your
method of creating negative controversy is only wasting people's time and
building useless bulk for the archives.
Neither Don nor I get paid a dime for this job, but we still take it
seriously and the integrity of the Kitfox List is our top priority. I
suspect you'll have the last word on this, but that's ok. Just consider
carefully what you say before you hit the send key.
Darrel Morisse
List Administrator
> Some of my views, and ideas are based on cynicism directly as
> a result of having been flamed, by whom the flame senders
> are, and what they have to say.
>
> My views are solely my own, and wholly based on my own
> personal experience as a builder, and having gone to a great
> many airshows, dinners, etc. I personally think that there
> are a few, builder's who're greatly into their own egotistical
> world, and the concept "Sleeping with the Factory" actually
> has more to do with "Ego Fueling", than anything else.
>
> Admittedly this is cynical, and just my view. Some would say
> it is just my own weak ego that compells me to post to the list
> anyway. :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 3/3/2004 8:40:47 AM Central Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
> Flames are on all lists and forum. We meet there because we are passionate
> about what we do. Flames come from passion. I'd rather see flames than
> indifference. The trick then is to exit a flame in a polite and friendly way
>
> with no hard feelings.
>
>
What happened to if cant say something nice, don't say anything at all ? :-)
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| Subject: | anyone have a large bag pod for sale.. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
hi all,
Its been maybe a year since i've written...having lots of fun with my K3
though.
i'm looking for a large stlye baggage pod for my 3. I have the smaller pod
but would like to find one of the larger turtleshell type pods Denney used
to have for sale.
Let me know if you have one for sale or know who does...
THX, Dan Johnson.
Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral.
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| Subject: | Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Darrel -
You're totally wrong about my motivations. I am not trying to create
an antagonistic situation on the list, nor was I on the old list.
Look, I like to discuss things, and to me discussion encompasses
more than just "These Kitfoxes, are the greatest planes ever built."
I think being on a builders list, the subject of things like being
gouged $10 for $2 bolts from Skystar, are fair topics. But it seems
that if I post something like that, I get a ton of hate mail.
Then if I post, what I think about the hate mailers, I get slammed
by the list admin, for not simply being silent.
This is rather Draconian don't you think?
Jeff
Original Message:
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From: Fox5flyer morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Was IO-240B - Cynicism
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Alright, enough already! Jeff, it's you that keeps stirring the pot and
it's obvious you're trying everything you can to get an adversarial
situation going, and it's not the first time. As far as I can recall nobody
has publicly flamed you on this list, only privately, and you made that
public for the purpose of creating controversy. Being on this List is a
privilage for everyone which means you follow the rules, both written and
moral, and fit in with the spirit and intent that ensures harmony. Your
method of creating negative controversy is only wasting people's time and
building useless bulk for the archives.
Neither Don nor I get paid a dime for this job, but we still take it
seriously and the integrity of the Kitfox List is our top priority. I
suspect you'll have the last word on this, but that's ok. Just consider
carefully what you say before you hit the send key.
Darrel Morisse
List Administrator
> Some of my views, and ideas are based on cynicism directly as
> a result of having been flamed, by whom the flame senders
> are, and what they have to say.
>
> My views are solely my own, and wholly based on my own
> personal experience as a builder, and having gone to a great
> many airshows, dinners, etc. I personally think that there
> are a few, builder's who're greatly into their own egotistical
> world, and the concept "Sleeping with the Factory" actually
> has more to do with "Ego Fueling", than anything else.
>
> Admittedly this is cynical, and just my view. Some would say
> it is just my own weak ego that compells me to post to the list
> anyway. :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Was IO-240B - Cynicism |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: steve cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
...Well, I've had my share of flame from the "List Gods" themselves... Everybody
remember when I asked about not getting posts and the innocent suggestion about
going to a yahoo based list? The LISTMEISTERS crusified me for that..."real"
gentleman. ...Kettle-Black
Steve Cooper
Avid Mark IV
Jabiru 2200
-----Original Message-----
From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Was IO-240B - Cynicism
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Alright, enough already! Jeff, it's you that keeps stirring the pot and
it's obvious you're trying everything you can to get an adversarial
situation going, and it's not the first time. As far as I can recall nobody
has publicly flamed you on this list, only privately, and you made that
public for the purpose of creating controversy. Being on this List is a
privilage for everyone which means you follow the rules, both written and
moral, and fit in with the spirit and intent that ensures harmony. Your
method of creating negative controversy is only wasting people's time and
building useless bulk for the archives.
Neither Don nor I get paid a dime for this job, but we still take it
seriously and the integrity of the Kitfox List is our top priority. I
suspect you'll have the last word on this, but that's ok. Just consider
carefully what you say before you hit the send key.
Darrel Morisse
List Administrator
> Some of my views, and ideas are based on cynicism directly as
> a result of having been flamed, by whom the flame senders
> are, and what they have to say.
>
> My views are solely my own, and wholly based on my own
> personal experience as a builder, and having gone to a great
> many airshows, dinners, etc. I personally think that there
> are a few, builder's who're greatly into their own egotistical
> world, and the concept "Sleeping with the Factory" actually
> has more to do with "Ego Fueling", than anything else.
>
> Admittedly this is cynical, and just my view. Some would say
> it is just my own weak ego that compells me to post to the list
> anyway. :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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| Subject: | RE: large bag pod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I don't have one of the Denney ones. But I've been wondering if one of the
long, narrow car-top carriers by Thule might work under my Model 2, mounted
upside-down with the large end forward. Would have to build a way to keep it
permanently closed in flight, of couorse, maybe some metal straps that hold
it to the plane. It could not be opened until it was removed from the plane,
which may or may not be convenient.
How much do those things weigh? Might they serve as decent baggage cariers?
They look somewhat streamlined.
If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this post-9/11
era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
That would definitely be inconvenient!
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
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| Subject: | Re: RE: large bag pod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I have not done it but it has looked like a great idea to me for some time.
I am challenged by weight rather than space so I will probably not do it.
Maxwell Duke IO 240
Steve M <ondeck355@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M"
I don't have one of the Denney ones. But I've been wondering if one of the
long, narrow car-top carriers by Thule might work under my Model 2, mounted
upside-down with the large end forward. Would have to build a way to keep it
permanently closed in flight, of couorse, maybe some metal straps that hold
it to the plane. It could not be opened until it was removed from the plane,
which may or may not be convenient.
How much do those things weigh? Might they serve as decent baggage cariers?
They look somewhat streamlined.
If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this post-9/11
era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
That would definitely be inconvenient!
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now!
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| Subject: | Re: RE: large bag pod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
This was discussed not long ago on the List, but nothing ever came of it.
With some thought it sounds like it could be made to work. Those things are
pretty rugged.
Darrel
> I have not done it but it has looked like a great idea to me for some
time. I am challenged by weight rather than space so I will probably not do
it.
>
> Maxwell Duke IO 240
>
>
> I don't have one of the Denney ones. But I've been wondering if one of the
> long, narrow car-top carriers by Thule might work under my Model 2,
mounted
> upside-down with the large end forward. Would have to build a way to keep
it
> permanently closed in flight, of couorse, maybe some metal straps that
hold
> it to the plane. It could not be opened until it was removed from the
plane,
> which may or may not be convenient.
>
> How much do those things weigh? Might they serve as decent baggage
cariers?
> They look somewhat streamlined.
>
> If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this post-9/11
> era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
> That would definitely be inconvenient!
>
> Steve Maher
> Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
>
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| Subject: | Was IO-240B - Cynicism |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
All list members:
Continuing this thread about flaming is OFF-TOPIC. So let me have the last
word.
If anyone gets private mail flaming you, take care of that privately as you
would any source of aggravation. But if you get flamed on the list, you can
be sure that the list admins (Darrel and I) will take care of that person on
an individual basis (and we have done just that 100's of times.) Just
(privately) let us know who you are having problems with. Responding in kind
on the list to a flame only continues and feeds fire to the flames.
The list members DO want dissenting opinions about products, methods, and
companies. We DO need to hear if you have been gouged for that $10 bolt, or
if a product does not live up to its claims. No company should be off limits
to legitimate criticism, including Skystar. Just make sure of your facts
before posting. That is what has made this list helpful and a success. You
can criticize products, methods and companies, but never individuals by
name.
Thank you for reading one last off-topic message on this. Everyone chill,
and get back to posting about Kitfox building and flying.
Don Pearsall
List Co-Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Spam, from where? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rex@awarenest.com>
I had about 30 spams per day, and changed my long time
email address last week which had been out there for about
10 years. Now I get 1 or 2 a day. I still have 3 other
email addresses which have been around just as long. It
seems this list is not the source for me.
Rex
South Park, Colorado
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| Subject: | Baggage Pod ORDINANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Steve,
The car top carrier idea was explored in depth some time ago. However,
the list member who was considering this never came back with the
outcome. Maybe he painted it up like a cruise missile and did an over
flight of 32nd. Street and North Island? :-)
Hey Dude, are YOU still with us? what gives?
Steve, you never got back to me on a visit to SEE when I come down to
'Dago this fall. Is your KF ugly and you don't want me to see it? (a
joke)
Scott in Nome
If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this
post-9/11
era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
That would definitely be inconvenient!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: GEL batteries. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Jeff,
We use these dry cell, deep cycle batteries up here exclusively. Cars, trucks
and equipment.
The lead/acid variety are subject to freezing and therefore necessitated
installation of electric battery heaters.
I replaced the "stock" battery in the Arctic Fox almost as soon as I got her
up here with one.
Absolutely no problems and as you said, pulls faster, weighs less and it
really holds a hot charge for a long time without recharging.
As a matter of fact, I went out to the plane yesterday for my weekly "warm-up"
and as always, just a few cranks and she was up and running.
I use one to power my surveying RTK/GPS base receiver and radio. It will run
16+ hours broadcasting corrections to my rover receivers pushing a 35 watt
radio booster! These batteries are just plain fantastic.
Scott in Nome
Jeff Hays wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
> Hi Torgeir -
>
> I read about a dry cell battery manufactured by Hawker recently
> and switched to their PC-680 it cranks my IO-240 about twice as
> fast as the B&C it replaced, weighs 10 lb.s less, and can be
> deep cycled as well.
>
> Take a look at http://www.odysseyfactory.com/
>
> Plus it cost me only $69 US
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Hays
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
> Mortensen
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: GEL batteries.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> At the moment I'm working on a project using GEL batteries from
> Sonnenschein, the one made in Germany. In this project I'm using the
> A512/16 G5. This battery "can" be discharged (approx) 200 Amp. cont.,
> and not more than 5 seconds up to 700 Amps! How about that? In fact,
> this battery match a (with same cap.) NiCad. pretty much.
>
> This battery might be a perfect match for a Kitfox-, or alike. For the
> best life length, this battery need a three step charger as the charging
> voltage is to be adjusted according to the temperature. Some just run
> this battery with a standard charger, if you'll plan to do-, make sure
> that the max. Charging voltage is according to Sonnenschein specs.
>
> There is just one other brand that's also a "real" GEL battery, this
> is the Deka Gel-Tech in US.
> You'll find lot's of info at the links below.
>
> The weight is 6.8 Kg eq. to 15 LB, the size; (181 X 76 X 167) mm. or
> (7.126 X 2.953 X 6.575)"
>
> I'll know this kind of battery is not easy to get in US., but here is
> some link about this battery:
>
> Here you'll find all you need to know about the handling, charging and
> where to get such a battery.
>
> http://www.sonnenschein.org/A500.htm
>
> Also, here is the article Bob Nuckolls wrote about using RG and GEL :
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/battery.pdf
>
> And here is another from Bob about RG batteries:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/rg_bat.html
>
> Regards
>
> Torgeir.
>
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| Subject: | Baggage Pod ORDINANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I've got the Skystar POD, anybody have suggestions on latches
for the thing? I have been thinking either, camlocs, or lever
type ...
Was originally going to paint it olive drab, with flat yellow
lettering stencilled on, BFCP-9000, or something. But for the
same Post 9/11 reasons have been thinking about not using it
at all.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Scott McClintock scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us
Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Steve,
The car top carrier idea was explored in depth some time ago. However,
the list member who was considering this never came back with the
outcome. Maybe he painted it up like a cruise missile and did an over
flight of 32nd. Street and North Island? :-)
Hey Dude, are YOU still with us? what gives?
Steve, you never got back to me on a visit to SEE when I come down to
'Dago this fall. Is your KF ugly and you don't want me to see it? (a
joke)
Scott in Nome
If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this
post-9/11
era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
That would definitely be inconvenient!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I marked my pod up to look like something between a
LANTIRN pod and a radar.
Pics are at http://www.foxflier.com/kitfox/cargo.htm
Always get a lotta questioning looks (particularly
when they read the microwave radiation warning) but
no one has popped off a missile at me yet...
--- Original Message ---
From: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
>Steve,
>The car top carrier idea was explored in depth some
time ago. However,
>the list member who was considering this never came
back with the
>outcome. Maybe he painted it up like a cruise
missile and did an over
>flight of 32nd. Street and North Island? :-)
>
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| Subject: | Stratus Kitfox 5 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: N53dw@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Earl Stevens" <earlaa@hotmail.com>
What ignition system does it use? Also, what is the exhaust/muffler
congifuration?
Earl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I use the dual ignition setup that Stratus supplied.....the stock ignition,
plus a crank-fired system run thru a coil selector to a single set of plugs.
I couldn't use the Stratus exhaust because it would have required dropping
the lower cowl profile even further than I already did for the oil pan and
flywheel. My exhaust is just a 2" inlet Supertrapp motorcycle muffler hanging
off
each side with all the discs installed. I got the flanges from Stratus and
just had a local exhaust shop put a short 45 elbow on it, then the Supertrapp.
I wound up welding the stack of discs together with straps over the outside,
because the stock parts would not stay tight. The guys say it sounds like a
miniature P-51 when I make a low pass.
Danny W.
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Nice. Is that the one supplied by Skystar? Looks like a tip tank.
Darrel
> I marked my pod up to look like something between a
> LANTIRN pod and a radar.
>
> Pics are at http://www.foxflier.com/kitfox/cargo.htm
>
> Always get a lotta questioning looks (particularly
> when they read the microwave radiation warning) but
> no one has popped off a missile at me yet...
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> >
> >Steve,
> >The car top carrier idea was explored in depth some
> time ago. However,
> >the list member who was considering this never came
> back with the
> >outcome. Maybe he painted it up like a cruise
> missile and did an over
> >flight of 32nd. Street and North Island? :-)
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Yep. Stock from Skystar. It was a nice kit. I
really rely on it when camping...
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Nice. Is that the one supplied by Skystar? Looks
like a tip tank.
>Darrel
>
>> I marked my pod up to look like something between a
>> LANTIRN pod and a radar.
>>
>> Pics are at
http://www.foxflier.com/kitfox/cargo.htm
>>
>> Always get a lotta questioning looks (particularly
>> when they read the microwave radiation warning) but
>> no one has popped off a missile at me yet...
>>
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>> From: Scott McClintock
>> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>> To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott
McClintock
>> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>> >
>> >Steve,
>> >The car top carrier idea was explored in depth
some
>> time ago. However,
>> >the list member who was considering this never
came
>> back with the
>> >outcome. Maybe he painted it up like a cruise
>> missile and did an over
>> >flight of 32nd. Street and North Island? :-)
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 3/3/2004 7:47:42 PM Central Standard Time,
FLIER@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Yep. Stock from Skystar. It was a nice kit. I
> really rely on it when camping...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
Will that fit on a KF2? sounds great
Dave
KF 2
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
I think it'll pretty much fit all models and apparently even some other
types of aircraft.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage Pod ORDINANCE
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 3/3/2004 7:47:42 PM Central Standard Time,
FLIER@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Yep. Stock from Skystar. It was a nice kit. I
> really rely on it when camping...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
Will that fit on a KF2? sounds great
Dave
KF 2
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| Subject: | Re: RE: large bag pod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Steve, Where are you seeing the "Thule" carriers sold. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: large bag pod
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
> I don't have one of the Denney ones. But I've been wondering if one of the
> long, narrow car-top carriers by Thule might work under my Model 2,
mounted
> upside-down with the large end forward. Would have to build a way to keep
it
> permanently closed in flight, of couorse, maybe some metal straps that
hold
> it to the plane. It could not be opened until it was removed from the
plane,
> which may or may not be convenient.
>
> How much do those things weigh? Might they serve as decent baggage
cariers?
> They look somewhat streamlined.
>
> If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this post-9/11
> era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
> That would definitely be inconvenient!
>
> Steve Maher
> Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
>
> One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now!
> http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
>
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a question.
First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback (N85AE). The
fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the coast of North
Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane so that the wings
DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less? What needed to be changed
or done differently? One more thing. Could somebody fill me in on the particulars
of forward swept wings to accomodate "larger" engines? What would
be considered "larger"?
Bill
Do Not Archive
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DNA: not not archive
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Dear Listers,
First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings
about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to
start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so
please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to
the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough
that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said...
There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
"your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access"
"Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail
content) outgoing from your e-mail account"
"Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In
order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions."
"Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two
days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to
configure our free auto-forwarding service."
All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to
click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your
system", or "check your system for infections".
These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and
propagate even more copies of the original message.
The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming
from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing
dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that
appear to be from "support@matronics.com", "management@matronics.com",
"administration@matronics.com", and "staff@matronics.com".
The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged
source address, seem even more legitimate.
Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you
these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that
has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than
Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in
a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily
basis.
Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of
viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this
email with any comments. You may write to me directly at
dralle@matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List.
Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to
assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages.
Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date!
Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance
has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in
an 18 hour period!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Bill,
Since the Kitfox wings and controls already come configured to be foldable,
it would take extra effort and engineering to make them UN-foldable! There
just would be no point. Some owners never fold the wings, however, because
they just don't need to transport the plane. To fold up the wings only
requires removing the front spar bolts.
The wings are swept forward about 1 degree to maintain a good CG envelope.
Most anything heavier than a 912 will need to be swept. In my case, I had a
Stratus Subaru and that needed the sweep. I think that engine and all
accessories weighs about 200 lbs.
Don Pearsall
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