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1. 02:13 AM - bungee cords (broschart)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: wings (Steve Zakreski)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: wings (W Duke)
4. 06:08 AM - . (rob)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: wings (Rick)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: wings (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: wings (Marc Arseneault)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: wings (Harris, Robert)
9. 08:07 AM - Re: wings (flier)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: wings (JMCBEAN)
11. 09:11 AM - Tailwheel spring needed! (Clifford Begnaud)
12. 09:20 AM - Re: large bag pod (Steve M)
13. 09:54 AM - Nav/Com Kx 125 (hausding, sid)
14. 10:21 AM - AW: Spam, from where? (Werner Keiper)
15. 10:51 AM - Question about skis (Michel Verheughe)
16. 10:54 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring needed! (Norm Beauchamp)
17. 11:09 AM - Re: Question about skis (Gary Algate)
18. 01:00 PM - Re: Question about skis (Michel Verheughe)
19. 03:11 PM - Question about skis (Kirk's Welding)
20. 04:18 PM - Re: Question about skis (Torgeir Mortensen)
21. 04:25 PM - Re: Question about skis (Bruce Lina)
22. 04:29 PM - Other list on Matronics. (Torgeir Mortensen)
23. 04:51 PM - French site, Foxpapa. (Torgeir Mortensen)
24. 04:51 PM - AC for mos and skis (Scott McClintock)
25. 05:12 PM - Re: GEL batteries. (Torgeir Mortensen)
26. 06:08 PM - Overheating 582 (Tc9008@aol.com)
27. 06:21 PM - Re: Tools (Dcecil3@aol.com)
28. 07:13 PM - off topic (Jay & Beverly Carter)
29. 08:05 PM - Re: Overheating 582 (dwight purdy)
30. 08:15 PM - 912 Carbs Falling off (Don Pearsall)
31. 10:14 PM - Need some help... (Bob Robertson)
32. 11:44 PM - Re: NSI Update (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i bought a light vice grip pliers with long jaws to try for installing
the bungee cords and it worked very well taped the jaws to cover the
sharp edges and got the bungee in first try, working alone without using
any tie wraps
Have a good day - Charlie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Bill
I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
with a bolts.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
(N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to accomodate
"larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
Bill
Do Not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I thought about the same thing but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease of maintenance
on the sight guages/fuel lines etc. I think it probable saved time in
construction because I was able to work on the inboard end of the wing without
completely removing it.
Maxwell
Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
Bill
I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
with a bolts.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso"
Builders,
If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
(N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to accomodate
"larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
Bill
Do Not Archive
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rob" <edmist_r@bellsouth.net>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Please don't take this comment the wrong way, but anything weight wise that
moves you CG to far forward. I have the NSI engine, rear mount battery and
sweep wings. Don't have the numbers right here, but the plane required sweep
wings. Beside they stay cleaner that way. If your an engineer you wont see
the humor, that's OK.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Bill
I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
with a bolts.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
(N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to accomodate
"larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
Bill
Do Not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Mine can be folded but with great difficulty, I used bolts. Also
3/8 braided steel fuel lines straight out of the tanks (i.e. no elbow).
I prefer the fuel line routing this way, and I could not get the
plumbing I used, in the way Skystar spec'd. Also left the buttrib
area open inside which is handy for putting stuff there in flight.
A few pics at http://www.aselia.com/jshays/cabin.htm but not too
much detail of the final result. You can see the holes where I
ran the fuel lines through, and for the sight gauge area's I
bonded in flat piece's of Lexan.
I installed inline (Earl's) fuel valves right behind the pilot and
passenger head area, and for the rare times I fold my wings, I
disconnect the fuel lines in order to to do it.
From the fuel valves to the header, is 3/8 aluminum tubing which
is adel clamed to the airframe immediately behind the seats.
I also ran a braided steel vent line tube as well, and used all AN
fittings. I just couldn't get comfortable with all that rubber
and plastic carrying fuel everywhere.
Takes me about 30 minutes to fold my wings the way I did it, so far
I did it only once to inspect the finger strainers for kreem residue
but found none. Otherwise I keep the plane hangared, so no folding.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I thought about the same thing but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease of
maintenance on the sight guages/fuel lines etc. I think it probable saved
time in construction because I was able to work on the inboard end of the
wing without completely removing it.
Maxwell
Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
Bill
I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
with a bolts.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso"
Builders,
If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
(N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to accomodate
"larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
Bill
Do Not Archive
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
I have my wings folded in a matter of minutes. I remove the front bolts and flapperon
bolts, the fuel lines are long enough to not disconnect them and install
my wing braces and on my way I am. Very quick and easy to do therefore I don't
agree with mounting wings permanently as this might be a downfall when you
decide to sell your plane at a later time.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:17:04 -0500 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Mine can be folded but with great difficulty, I used bolts. Also 3/8 braided steel fuel lines straight out of the tanks (i.e. no elbow). I prefer the fuel line routing this way, and I could not get the plumbing I used, in the way Skystar spec'd. Also left the buttrib area open inside which is handy for putting stuff there in flight. A few pics at http://www.aselia.com/jshays/cabin.htm but not too much detail of the final result. You can see the holes where I ran the fuel lines through, and for the sight gauge area's I bonded in flat piece's of Lexan. I installed inline (Earl's) fuel valves right behind the pilot
and passenger head area, and for the rare times I fold my wings, I disconnect
the fuel lines in order to to do it. From the fuel valves to the header, is 3/8
aluminum tubing which is adel clamed to the airframe immediately behind the
seats. I also ran a braided steel vent line tube as well, and used all AN fittings.
I just couldn't get comfortable with all that rubber and plastic carrying
fuel everywhere. Takes me about 30 minutes to fold my wings the way I did it,
so far I did it only once to inspect the finger strainers for kreem residue
but found none. Otherwise I keep the plane hangared, so no folding. Original
Message: ----------------- From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004
05:20:40 -0800 (PST) To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:
wings -- Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <N981MS@YAHOO.COM>I thought about
the same thing but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease of maintenance on
the sight guages/fuel lines etc. I think it proba
ble saved time in construction because I was able to work on the inboard end of the wing without completely removing it. Maxwell Steve Zakreski <SZAKRESKI@SHAW.CA>wrote: -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Bill I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins with a bolts. SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: wings -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" Builders, If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less? What needed to be changed or done differently?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Test
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Arseneault
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
I have my wings folded in a matter of minutes. I remove the front bolts and
flapperon bolts, the fuel lines are long enough to not disconnect them and
install my wing braces and on my way I am. Very quick and easy to do
therefore I don't agree with mounting wings permanently as this might be a
downfall when you decide to sell your plane at a later time.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Reply-To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE:
Kitfox-List: wings Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:17:04 -0500 -- Kitfox-List
message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Mine can be
folded but with great difficulty, I used bolts. Also 3/8 braided steel fuel
lines straight out of the tanks (i.e. no elbow). I prefer the fuel line
routing this way, and I could not get the plumbing I used, in the way
Skystar spec'd. Also left the buttrib area open inside which is handy for
putting stuff there in flight. A few pics at
http://www.aselia.com/jshays/cabin.htm but not too much detail of the final
result. You can see the holes where I ran the fuel lines through, and for
the sight gauge area's I bonded in flat piece's of Lexan. I installed inline
(Earl's) fuel valves right behind the pilot
and passenger head area, and for the rare times I fold my wings, I
disconnect the fuel lines in order to to do it. From the fuel valves to the
header, is 3/8 aluminum tubing which is adel clamed to the airframe
immediately behind the seats. I also ran a braided steel vent line tube as
well, and used all AN fittings. I just couldn't get comfortable with all
that rubber and plastic carrying fuel everywhere. Takes me about 30 minutes
to fold my wings the way I did it, so far I did it only once to inspect the
finger strainers for kreem residue but found none. Otherwise I keep the
plane hangared, so no folding. Original Message: ----------------- From: W
Duke n981ms@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 05:20:40 -0800 (PST) To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings -- Kitfox-List
message posted by: W Duke <N981MS@YAHOO.COM>I thought about the same thing
but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease of maintenance on the sight
guages/fuel lines etc. I think it proba
ble saved time in construction because I was able to work on the inboard
end of the wing without completely removing it. Maxwell Steve Zakreski
<SZAKRESKI@SHAW.CA>wrote: -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
Bill I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar
pins with a bolts. SteveZ -----Original Message----- From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: wings -- Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Bill Pleso" Builders, If everyone has had their fill of
controversy, I have a comment and a question. First, I just came back from
Jeff's site about his Outback (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look
great. A big attaboy from the coast of North Carolina. My question is this:
Has anyone built their plane so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up
being more work or less? What needed to be changed or done differently?
Message 9
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I agree with Marc. Takes a matter of minutes.
Now, big question is what would be the purpose of
fixing the wings to NOT fold? I can't think of any
excellent reason to build the wings fixed??
--- Original Message ---
From: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I have my wings folded in a matter of minutes. I
remove the front bolts and flapperon bolts, the fuel
lines are long enough to not disconnect them and
install my wing braces and on my way I am. Very quick
and easy to do therefore I don't agree with mounting
wings permanently as this might be a downfall when
you decide to sell your plane at a later time.
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Marc Arseneault
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Bill,
Not sure what the gain would be to set the wings up not to fold.....
As far as the sweep... The No sweep wing is for the Rotax 912, 912s and 914
series engines on the Series 5, 6 and 7 aircraft. The 1 degree forward
sweep was for those same aircraft utilizing the Cont IO-240 or Lyc O-235
installations.
What would be considered larger ?.... If the installed weight is going to be
closer to the Cont or Lyc then the sweep would most likely be desirable...
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
(N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to accomodate
"larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
Bill
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Tailwheel spring needed! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Does anyone have a tailwheel spring lying aroung that you would sell to me?
Skystar has a new 3-leaf steel spring in testing right now and will have it
for sale soon, but I need one asap. I'll take aluminum or steel, doesn't
matter.
Thanks,
Cliff
303-673-0021
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| Subject: | RE: large bag pod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
I haven't looked, Bob. I just see them on cars a lot around here (San
Diego), and theought the one might fit well under my Model 2.
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: large bag pod
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:23:39 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
><shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
>Steve, Where are you seeing the "Thule" carriers sold. bob U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: large bag pod
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I don't have one of the Denney ones. But I've been wondering if one of
>the
> > long, narrow car-top carriers by Thule might work under my Model 2,
>mounted
> > upside-down with the large end forward. Would have to build a way to
>keep
>it
> > permanently closed in flight, of couorse, maybe some metal straps that
>hold
> > it to the plane. It could not be opened until it was removed from the
>plane,
> > which may or may not be convenient.
> >
> > How much do those things weigh? Might they serve as decent baggage
>cariers?
> > They look somewhat streamlined.
> >
> > If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this
>post-9/11
> > era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me down?
> > That would definitely be inconvenient!
> >
> > Steve Maher
> > Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
> >
> > One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now!
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>---
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
For anyone looking for a super deal on a new radio for their aircraft:
Title: NAV/COM KX 125 General Aviation Radio/Homebuilders
Item # : The item number for your new listing is 2464698377.
URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI
dll?ViewItem&item=2464698377
new in box, never hooked up.........
Thank you for your indulgence and call with any questions, or write.
Sid
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| Subject: | Spam, from where? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper" <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de>
Hi,
I am on this list since 2 years and I have no increase of spam since we went
to Matronics.
Regards
Werner
Kitfox 3 / Germany
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Ted Palamarek
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mrz 2004 00:51
An: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Betreff: RE: Kitfox-List: Spam, from where?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
--> <temco@telusplanet.net>
Torgeir
I haven't seen any increase since we went to Matronics. The spammers have
some pretty ingenious ways of getting hold of your e-mail address. I noticed
I got a lot of spam when someone ran a sequential series of letters starting
with temc then temca then temcb etc till they finally click on you e-mail by
a process of elimination. Those spammers are the low life's on this earth.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Ted P
Edmonton, Ab
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Hi Folks,
Just a thought, after joining this new list, I've for the first time got
spam in my mail box. I'll never received spam ever before in the priv.
mail box. The strange thing is that, this started a few days after we joined
this new list. I'm just wondered that, is it possible that someone "grab"
our adresses, as the can be collected by anyone, and just sell them to
"adverticers"?
Any others out there with this exp.??
Do not archive
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Good day, fellow Kitfoxer,
I have now mounted my new wheel penetration skis. My gal looks gorgeous and I
can't wait to go and test her in the snow. But, before that, I need to adjust
my retaining wires. I think I got it right in the front but I am not sure for
the aft ones. My question is this: From level (engine hub perpendicular to the
ground) attitude, what is the maximum "up" angle the skis can have, in degrees.
I have seen many photos of Kitfox on ski, on the ground. But not in flight. How
much "up" do they point?
BTW, once the skis mounted, it became easy for me to measure the toe-in. It
turns to be 0.9 degrees from the centerline. A good angle, isn't it?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring needed! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I have the double leaf steel if you are interested. Norm
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Does anyone have a tailwheel spring lying aroung that you would sell to me?
> Skystar has a new 3-leaf steel spring in testing right now and will have it
> for sale soon, but I need one asap. I'll take aluminum or steel, doesn't
> matter.
> Thanks,
> Cliff
> 303-673-0021
>
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| Subject: | Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Michel - are you going to post some photos - I am really interested in
this.
By the way - I landed on a remote field last weekend and it was deep slushy
snow. After I touched down and was completing my run out the slushy snow
caused so much drag that my tail came up and I was once again faced with a
view of the runway that I dread. Then all of a sudden, at a pretty acute
angle the tail stabilized and snapped back down.
I thought I was going to end up turned turtle but as it turned out the
limiting wires on the rear of the skis prevented the plane from going over.
All I need to do now is work out how to get these wires onto my wheels
???????????? Maybe I need one of those big centre skis like an SE-5.
It took me about an hour of taxiing up and down and stomping the snow in
front of my skis before I managed to get out of there.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have now mounted my new wheel penetration skis. My gal looks gorgeous and
I can't wait to go and test her in the snow. But, before that, I need to
adjust my retaining wires. I think I got it right in the front but I am not
sure for the aft ones. My question is this: From level (engine hub
perpendicular to the
ground) attitude, what is the maximum "up" angle the skis can have, in
degrees. I have seen many photos of Kitfox on ski, on the ground. But not in
flight. How much "up" do they point?
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| Subject: | Re: Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Gary Algate wrote:
> Michel - are you going to post some photos - I am really interested in
> this.
Of course, I will, Gary! That will be the first time I can contribute to the
list with something slightly interesting.
> I was once again faced with a view of the runway that I dread.
... do you really enjoy scaring me? :-)
> I thought I was going to end up turned turtle but as it turned out the
> limiting wires on the rear of the skis prevented the plane from going over.
And a good thing it did. Now, how long should that wire be, as my initial
question was? And while I am at it, what are your thoughts about a tailwheel
ski? I really can't figure out how to fix that on a Maule tailwheel. Another
thing is: How does it affect the pitching of the plane? Because it would be
working like an elevator trim, right?
I see that most Norwegian light planes on skis don't use tailwheel skis. That's
ok when you land on e.g. frozen lakes. But what in deep snow? And what about
deep soft snow covered by an icy crust? Doesn't it tear of the wheel, springs,
etc?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
Michel:
I scanned and attached a couple pages of AC 43.13-2A. These are the regs for
rigging certified aircraft skis. I used these figures on my Kitfox, and it works
great.
I hope this helps.
Kirk Martenson
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| Subject: | Re: Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Kirk,
Here is a link to the actual chapter (- from my bookmark file). ;-)
Just for everyone to see.
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ski.html
Torgeir.
Kirk's Welding wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
>
> Michel:
>
> I scanned and attached a couple pages of AC 43.13-2A. These are the regs for
rigging certified aircraft skis. I used these figures on my Kitfox, and it
works great.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Kirk Martenson
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Michel, The FAA publication AC43.13-2A has an extensive section on
recommended ski installation. They recommend 0 to 5 degree tip up on the
nose of the ski with the aircraft level and 20 to 35 degrees tip down. Since
I have just finished installing straight Federaal 1850 skis on my Series 5 ,
I have been doing a lot of research on ski installation. Seems ski
installers in Alaska shoot for the 0 to 5 degree tip up but most say that 20
degrees tip down is plenty. Also be sure you have a bungee that will provide
enough pull force so that it takes 20 to 40 lbs to push the tip of the ski
down (according to the FAA ). If you do not have a strong enough bungee
system, the ski will be pulled tip down over center at high speeds and high
"G" manuvers. Seems there is a real science to this ski installation stuff.
Good Luck Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Good day, fellow Kitfoxer,
>
> I have now mounted my new wheel penetration skis. My gal looks gorgeous
and I
> can't wait to go and test her in the snow. But, before that, I need to
adjust
> my retaining wires. I think I got it right in the front but I am not sure
for
> the aft ones. My question is this: From level (engine hub perpendicular to
the
> ground) attitude, what is the maximum "up" angle the skis can have, in
degrees.
> I have seen many photos of Kitfox on ski, on the ground. But not in
flight. How
> much "up" do they point?
>
> BTW, once the skis mounted, it became easy for me to measure the toe-in.
It
> turns to be 0.9 degrees from the centerline. A good angle, isn't it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Other list on Matronics. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
Hmmm-, here is the direct link to the Matronics "list browser", the
place where you can see all the other list, including "our" Kitfoxlist,
of course. I'll think most of you'll know about this address, but just
in case..
Lots of interesting things around- "to lurk". :-)
Here it is:
http://www.matronics.com/ListBrowse/index.html
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | French site, Foxpapa. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi, just me, again...
Here is another one, for the French speaking people, well- I'm sure
others figure out something...
Not quite a Kitfox site, but the name give some associations. :-)
This site is a little "avionics" related, got it from Gilles on the
Europa list. Here it's lot's of interesting things.
Her it is:
http://www.foxpapa.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=135
The main site:
http://www.foxpapa.com/
(Hi Michel, what do you think.)
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | AC for mos and skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Hey Guys,
Here is the link for AC 43.13-2a which covers a lot of stuff including
ski installation.
Just download the 3 .pdf files. Probably not a bad idea for all of us to
have a copy on hand.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/E533BB05389C90E486256A54006E47B2?OpenDocument
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | Re: GEL batteries. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Jeff,
Thanks.
Interesting battery this one.
I've made some comparison between the two, not that "schematic" :-),
but..
The Odyssey seems to be more tolerate to voltage, but the Sonnenschein
can do more "cycles". Cranking capacity seems to be very similar. Also
there is another good benefit to the Odyssey, this is the linear
function between voltage and capacity. Read the battery voltage (with an
accurate digital voltmeter) before cranking the engine, then you'll know
how much "juice" there is to use. In other word. Just turn on the master
and check your current battery cap. Great battery!
But, the downside, they are very difficult to find here-, on the other
side of the "pond".
How much to pay for an 16 Ah ?
Torgeir.
Jeff Hays wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
> Hi Torgeir -
>
> I read about a dry cell battery manufactured by Hawker recently
> and switched to their PC-680 it cranks my IO-240 about twice as
> fast as the B&C it replaced, weighs 10 lb.s less, and can be
> deep cycled as well.
>
> Take a look at http://www.odysseyfactory.com/
>
> Plus it cost me only $69 US
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Hays
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
> Mortensen
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: GEL batteries.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> At the moment I'm working on a project using GEL batteries from
> Sonnenschein, the one made in Germany. In this project I'm using the
> A512/16 G5. This battery "can" be discharged (approx) 200 Amp. cont.,
> and not more than 5 seconds up to 700 Amps! How about that? In fact,
> this battery match a (with same cap.) NiCad. pretty much.
>
> This battery might be a perfect match for a Kitfox-, or alike. For the
> best life length, this battery need a three step charger as the charging
> voltage is to be adjusted according to the temperature. Some just run
> this battery with a standard charger, if you'll plan to do-, make sure
> that the max. Charging voltage is according to Sonnenschein specs.
>
> There is just one other brand that's also a "real" GEL battery, this
> is the Deka Gel-Tech in US.
> You'll find lot's of info at the links below.
>
> The weight is 6.8 Kg eq. to 15 LB, the size; (181 X 76 X 167) mm. or
> (7.126 X 2.953 X 6.575)"
>
> I'll know this kind of battery is not easy to get in US., but here is
> some link about this battery:
>
> Here you'll find all you need to know about the handling, charging and
> where to get such a battery.
>
> http://www.sonnenschein.org/A500.htm
>
> Also, here is the article Bob Nuckolls wrote about using RG and GEL :
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/battery.pdf
>
> And here is another from Bob about RG batteries:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/rg_bat.html
>
> Regards
>
> Torgeir.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
Today it was nice about 75. My cooling system was close to 200 on take off
and climb. On cruise it cooled down to 180. What will happen when the temp gets
to 90? Anyone got any ideas?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
John save your hands for better things go to ebay and bid on a air-riveter
,you can get one for around 40 bucks .also go to aviation and theres a world of
aircraft specific tools you can find there ,from Clecos to bucking bars
Best David Cecil
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" <valley361@centurytel.net>
Is there anyone on the list living in Norway? If so I would
like to e-mail off list.
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Overheating 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
When I first bought my 532 model II there was no thermostat. In the heat of
the summer it barely reached 180 deg. Most the time only 170 to 175. I put
an after market stat in for the benefit of winter warm ups and more even
temps when cold out. Must be allot more flow with it out.
Dwight
At 09:07 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
>Today it was nice about 75. My cooling system was close to 200 on take off
>and climb. On cruise it cooled down to 180. What will happen when the temp
>gets
>to 90? Anyone got any ideas?
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 Carbs Falling off |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
(posted for a pending list member)
Hi Everybody
I've been reading the Avid forum website for some time and asked them for
advice about my 912 carbs. I have been advised to contact the Kitfox
mailing list as it would appear that a lot more of you guys are using 912
engines.
I have just finished building my Avid C model hauler with most of the Mark
IV extras and a Rotax 912 engine.
My problem is that sometimes when I start the engine, the engine shakes
violently and one or more of the carbs fall out of the carb sockets. I have
the extra support springs on top of the carbs and have replaced the sockets
with the new part no.s 267787. I note that Rotax have just this week
produced a new 267788 carb socket.
I am not the only person in New Zealand to have this problem and Rotax
agents in NZ and Australia initially told me the idle speed was wrong, I was
flooding the engine, something was out of balance etc etc etc. They now say
that the Avid engine mounts are too soft and that my engine is moving too
far. Has anybody else had this problem and has anybody invented an
additional support to help hold the carbs on a 912? I have not actually
flown my Avid yet but the thought of a carb nearly coming off on start up
and then dropping off in mid air is a little worrying!
Cheers
Brian Leach
leach@wk.planet.gen.nz
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| Subject: | Need some help... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
I know this isn't 100% Kitfox, but.......
We have a customer with an Avid Mk4.. He is interested in
switching from the 582 to a new Rtx 912. We are wondering if the
engine mount for the Kitfox is the same as the one for the Avid?
Thanks
Bob Robertson
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
For those interested in, or have an NSI product:
I just talked to Lance on Tuesday. He is coming to an
end on development for the NSI big engines to power
Glastars and such. He says the preferred engines now
for them are NSI. More than 50% of Glastars will have
them. I wish those bigger Soob engines fit the
KitFox. They may be the best engine out there overall
for their size, but they are too heavy for us. SS and
NSI may well outlast the Glastars anyway.
Some specifics for us are:
1. He now recommends 160 degrees for coolant and 180
for oil temps as best. We can still go a bit hotter,
but those he considers "ideal" temps. He now measures
oil temp out of the cooler rather than at the pan, so
the reading will be cooler there than we see now on
the pan.
2. He is very much in favor of SS exhaust valves.
Says the intake valves haven't been a problem, so no
need to change them, unless you just want to.
3. Keep the EGT's below 1550 when measured at our new
turbo crossunder point, just out of the exhaust ports.
4. The best fix for the oil seperator/breather
burping is to move the drain to the front, top of the
oil pan instead of at the back, where it is now. This
may not be a problem for the nosewheel airplanes, but
in our taildraggers, the oil has been covering the
drain hose and gets blown out from crankcase pressure
on powerup. With the nose up for takeoff or climb,
the oil is lower in front and the drain line should be
above it there. Someone in S. Africa came up with
this solution. The only problem then is if you slam
the power to it with the nose down, like for stall
recovery. Less common than takeoffs...
Looking at mine, I see where I could run a line under
the engine's (aircraft) left side to the front of the
pan. But then it would not all run up hill to the
breather/seperator with the nose up, so there could be
some trapped oil in the line that will still blow out.
I am instead thinking of running a second smaller line
off the pan front end up the left front side and over
the top of the engine, to join at the
seperator/breather. One of these two lines should
always be uncovered to exhaust the crankcase blowby
and avoid the burping, while the other still drains
back. Just an idea so far. If it works, there should
be no burping and no oil loss at all. It shouldn't
weigh any more than the add on drain line and/or a
capture cup some use now.
5. Lance highly recommends a fuel pressure regulator
for our carbs. He says that fuel pressure changes
cause mixture changes. Always keep steady pressure
between 3-5 psi at the carb. That means a regulated
pump on all the time. I am looking at regulators now.
6. EA-81 production has been temperorarily stopped
for several months while a new output module is in
development to handle the power increases he is
getting. It will weigh 7 pounds more at the very
front of the plane. :-(
8. According to his daughter, one of the new new
props has been produced for testing, but was built
backwards by the vendor.... or do our engines spin
backwards? Results TBD.
Kurt S.
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