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1. 03:33 AM - Re: Radiator baffling (Kerry Skyring)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Question about skis (DPREMGOOD@aol.com)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: NSI Update (nealscherm@comcast.net)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: engines (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring needed! (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
6. 09:41 AM - New skis tested (Michel Verheughe)
7. 09:44 AM - Re: email address change (Michel Verheughe)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: NSI Update (Jeff Hays)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: engines (Jeff Hays)
10. 12:19 PM - Re: New skis tested (Randy Daughenbaugh)
11. 01:07 PM - experimenters (daniel johnson)
12. 01:42 PM - Re: New skis tested (Fox5flyer)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Overheating 582 ()
14. 02:01 PM - Re: experimenters (Dcecil3@aol.com)
15. 02:05 PM - Re: Overheating 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: Note to First Time Builders!! (Mark Scott)
17. 02:33 PM - Re: New skis tested (Michel Verheughe)
18. 02:39 PM - Re: Note to First Time Builders!! (Michel Verheughe)
19. 02:56 PM - Re: 3M Glue (Dcecil3@aol.com)
20. 03:06 PM - Re: 3M Glue (VFT@aol.com)
21. 03:08 PM - Re: LED Nav. Lights (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
22. 03:12 PM - Re: NSI Update (nealscherm@comcast.net)
23. 03:15 PM - Re: New skis tested (Bruce Lina)
24. 03:31 PM - Re: 3M Glue (Marc Arseneault)
25. 03:43 PM - Re: experimenters (Jeff Hays)
26. 03:48 PM - Re: NSI Update (Jeff Hays)
27. 04:07 PM - Re: EJ-22 (nealscherm@comcast.net)
28. 04:11 PM - Re: experimenters (daniel johnson)
29. 04:20 PM - Re: New skis tested (daniel johnson)
30. 04:22 PM - Re: NSI Update (nealscherm@comcast.net)
31. 04:34 PM - Transponder installation. (daniel johnson)
32. 04:44 PM - Re: Note to First Time Builders!! (daniel johnson)
33. 04:57 PM - Re: NSI Update (Jeff Hays)
34. 05:57 PM - Re: Transponder installation. (John E. King)
35. 06:38 PM - Favorite Kitfox pic yet (Steve M)
36. 06:38 PM - Re: experimenters (Lowell Fitt)
37. 06:44 PM - Re: Transponder installation. (daniel johnson)
38. 07:09 PM - New VW (daniel johnson)
39. 07:12 PM - Re: Transponder installation. (Lowell Fitt)
40. 07:15 PM - Re: 3M Glue (Clint Bazzill)
41. 07:34 PM - Wierd Thing that happened (Jeff Hays)
42. 07:44 PM - Re: Transponder installation. (John E. King)
43. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: engines (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
44. 08:12 PM - Re: Wierd Thing that happened (nealscherm@comcast.net)
45. 08:28 PM - Looking for a: (Steve Cooper)
46. 08:30 PM - Re: Wierd Thing that happened (Jeff Hays)
47. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: engines (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
48. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: engines (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
49. 09:39 PM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** ()
50. 09:51 PM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** (Don Pearsall)
51. 10:16 PM - Re: Re: engines (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
52. 10:30 PM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** (Dcecil3@aol.com)
53. 10:41 PM - Re: email address change (FlyCyOZ@aol.com)
54. 11:56 PM - Re: Transponder installation. (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Radiator baffling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Dave wrote..
>I'm installing the radiator baffling in my Series 5 with smooth cowl,
>912S. The drawings and instructions are weak in this area. Does anyone
>with this set up have some good pictures that might help?
Dave we're getting close to this step as well. Would also appreciate any
pictures
that could be posted. Will also take some shots and post if we manage it ok
but
could be some weeks. Also Series 5 smooth cowl with 912S
Kerry
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| Subject: | Re: Question about skis |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Gary,
could you please include me on your list for pictures of your skis?
Thanks,
Doug Remoundos
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Jeff,
What engine could you NOT run at 2700 RPM all day long?
Neal
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> I rode in one powered with an NSI Turbo, it was a really smooth
> running installation. I was pretty impressed. The same plane was
> on NSI engine number two (first one broke?), and the second one
> had a second set of cylinder heads (burned valves). The owner is
> a tinkerer, and loves his plane. He's on exhaust system number 2 or
> three I think. To look at the installation, it looks nice, but it
> spends a lot of time cowl off with parts all over.
>
> Myself I prefer aircraft engines. Just seems like the auto conversions
> spend a lot of time being worked on. Plus you can push the throttle
> to redline in a (Lyc, Cont, etc.) and leave it there until TBO, while
> making full power the entire time.
>
> I think the typical O-235 powered C152 flight trainer says
> a lot about aircraft engines.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: nealscherm@comcast.net
> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:33:46 +0000
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
>
> Just for your info,
> I have installed an EJ-22 Big Soob engine in a Vixen and will have a
> lighter empty and nose wheel weight than a IO-240. The engine fits inside a
> standard Series 7 912/914 cowl and is incredibly powerful at low rpms. It
> can be done.... With off the shelf parts. At a reasonable price. If any one
> wants a picture, just let me know offline.
> In the very near future, I would like to see if one of the little motors
> can keep up. I'm sure John will be up to it. How about we stage a race
> between the different powerplants out there and see for ourselves?
> Regards,
> Neal
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be flying
in
OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody was
laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their aircraft,
Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever all
fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also jumping
on the FADEC bandwagon.
Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was manufactured
in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated engines,
but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a man
who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he is
crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot, itself
a rare
plane.
It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this great
hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old stuff.
They
all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the aircraft!
I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a ~~~KitFox!
:-)
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring needed! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Cliff,
I just got back from FedEx. You should receive the spring Monday afternoon.
Shipping cost was $11.55. Hope this helps.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello friends,
Today I finished the installation of my new wheel penetration skis. I taxied, I
high-speed taxied on the runway, I taxied on the snow, but I wait until
tomorrow to take off for the first time. I want to do that with a friend with
VHF nearby. Today, I was alone.
Here are some pictures I have just dumped on my server.
http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
Any comment would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: email address change |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
FlyCyOZ@aol.com wrote:
> How do I go about changing my email address?????
I am not sure I understand what you mean by "changing address." But if it is
your AOL subscription, you simply terminate it (ask AOL about how) and find
Good luck,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Neil -
The difference is that for instance an aircraft engine will run all
day at low rpm, WHILE making FULL power. Auto engine's can run all
day at low rpm, but they aren't making full power while doing it.
They are making significantly reduced power, run an auto engine
at full power for 2000 hours, and see if it is still intact. This
is the difference I'm talking about.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
nealscherm@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Jeff,
What engine could you NOT run at 2700 RPM all day long?
Neal
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> I rode in one powered with an NSI Turbo, it was a really smooth
> running installation. I was pretty impressed. The same plane was
> on NSI engine number two (first one broke?), and the second one
> had a second set of cylinder heads (burned valves). The owner is
> a tinkerer, and loves his plane. He's on exhaust system number 2 or
> three I think. To look at the installation, it looks nice, but it
> spends a lot of time cowl off with parts all over.
>
> Myself I prefer aircraft engines. Just seems like the auto conversions
> spend a lot of time being worked on. Plus you can push the throttle
> to redline in a (Lyc, Cont, etc.) and leave it there until TBO, while
> making full power the entire time.
>
> I think the typical O-235 powered C152 flight trainer says
> a lot about aircraft engines.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: nealscherm@comcast.net
> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:33:46 +0000
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
>
> Just for your info,
> I have installed an EJ-22 Big Soob engine in a Vixen and will have a
> lighter empty and nose wheel weight than a IO-240. The engine fits inside
a
> standard Series 7 912/914 cowl and is incredibly powerful at low rpms. It
> can be done.... With off the shelf parts. At a reasonable price. If any
one
> wants a picture, just let me know offline.
> In the very near future, I would like to see if one of the little motors
> can keep up. I'm sure John will be up to it. How about we stage a race
> between the different powerplants out there and see for ourselves?
> Regards,
> Neal
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hey Elbie -
Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be
flying in
OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody
was
laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their
aircraft,
Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever all
fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also jumping
on the FADEC bandwagon.
Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was
manufactured
in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated engines,
but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a
man
who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he is
crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot,
itself a rare
plane.
It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this great
hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old
stuff. They
all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the
aircraft!
I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a ~~~KitFox!
:-)
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Michel,
It looks good! Thanks for the pictures. They are very informative.
Awaiting further reports.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: New skis tested
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello friends,
Today I finished the installation of my new wheel penetration skis. I
taxied, I
high-speed taxied on the runway, I taxied on the snow, but I wait until
tomorrow to take off for the first time. I want to do that with a friend
with
VHF nearby. Today, I was alone.
Here are some pictures I have just dumped on my server.
http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
Any comment would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
"not to be critical" i love how everyone says that so i will too. I don't
know who pioneered Fadec, but i know that my manual for the airliner i fly
says a fadec is generic for full authority digital electronic controls. I
don't think continental had anything to do with these units on this plane.
Only reason i throw 2 cents in ....its really so frustrating that all of our
experimenters can't tell the rest of the group about a project or idea
without being replied to with a put-down or a one-up. I have a rotax on my
k3...there was a time i wouldn't have flown behind one, but its a nice
little engine now that its had some operating hours to grasp the bugs and
the limitations. I know its not going to last 2000 hours...but that doesn't
mean i'm going to run out and buy a continental.
I'm not for or against concersions or "airplane engines"...i'll probably
keep the rotax on the kitfox and finish my Corbin Ace with an 0-235.
Point is i'd love to hear about what new ideas some of our guys have....just
seems like the one-uppers and the put-downers can't wait to tell everyone
else why the experimenter is wrong.
Elbie said it right....theres room for all of it. It just seems like it'd
be a whole lot better if the one-uppers and the put-downers could realize
that just because you aren't interested in what another guy is
doing...doesn't mean you have to go to guns on him. Some of us are
listening...if you don't like it, don't do it.
Dan Johnson....waitiing for the one-upper to correct my spelling so they
feel more intelligent than me....have at it.
>From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:03:29 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
>Hey Elbie -
>
>Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
>
>Jeff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>RiteAngle3@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
>Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
>EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
>tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be
>flying in
>OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody
>was
>laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their
>aircraft,
> Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever
>all
>fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also
>jumping
>on the FADEC bandwagon.
>Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was
>manufactured
>in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated engines,
>but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a
>man
>who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he is
>crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
>conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot,
>itself a rare
>plane.
>It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this
>great
>hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
>Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old
>stuff. They
>all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the
>aircraft!
> I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a
>~~~KitFox!
>:-)
>
>Elbie
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New skis tested |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Beautiful job Michael. Keep us informed about your testing.
Darrel
> Today I finished the installation of my new wheel penetration skis. I
taxied, I
> high-speed taxied on the runway, I taxied on the snow, but I wait until
> tomorrow to take off for the first time. I want to do that with a friend
with
> VHF nearby. Today, I was alone.
>
> Here are some pictures I have just dumped on my server.
> http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
>
> Any comment would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overheating 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
> Don's right. Outside of some cowl work my fix came from lowering the radiator
to get it away from the skin and into the airflow. The closer to the skin the
less the air flows. EAA magazine a couple months ago, explained it all!!
Jared
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Date: 2004/03/05 Fri PM 04:27:19 CST
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Overheating 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: experimenters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Yea Dan thats Kinda the way I felt when I said I was going to put a Nose
Wheel on a model 3.Bottom line it's "My" Plane , Consideration should be given
to
that fact by others on this list.Yes some of the ideas have been tried and
cost the owners money to find out they didn't work,but on the other hand , how
do
you know if you don't try? I mean , I must have lost something here but I
think they call that being "Expermintal"?
I have this same problem on the Challenger Website only more accute they use
very colorful words to describe ones faults ....Yes typing being one of them.I
have learned a mountain of Info here and this site is as valuable to me as
the Model 3 builders manual But Guys please have a little tact when answering a
question ,don't just fire off an answer remember -What-When- Where and most
importantly-WHY .
A user E-mailed me off list to tell me why I didn't need a Steerable Nose
Wheel for my fox, after talking to him, I relized I don't need the Steering just
the nose wheel .Ok said enough
Please Play Nice
David Cecil
Kf3#950
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| Subject: | Re: Overheating 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 3/5/04 12:56:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
torgemor@online.no writes:
> engine. This difference must not be more than 6 deg. Celsius! I've
> mentioned this before, but "no one" seems to take notice of this "Rotax
> req.".
>
Torgeir,
I've tried to pay attention to this spec but don't have any onboard
instrumentation to check the difference. I have thought of taking the two CHT
probes for the EIS and clamping/insulating them to the input/output alum tubes
going to the radiator. This might not be accurate enough but might give an idea
on the temp differences. You make some valid points on the thermostats. I
try not to ever chop power for a landing until the numbers are made. On a touch
and go, I add power back slowly and do a high speed tail up taxi. Will hold
that until power is back to full.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Note to First Time Builders!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Scott" <scottm@dol.net>
So you get that too huh?! Man that annoys the crap out of me when people
say that stuff. My wife likes to tell her friends and coworkers that we
have an airplane in the garage, despite me asking her not to. To a person
every one of them has had something to say along the lines of "I would never
fly in that!" or "You're crazy" or some other negative comment. Next time
I'm gonna say, 'I wouldn't fly in anything you've built either!'
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Note to First Time Builders!!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi David,
>
> When people came over to see what I was building, the
> replies went from, "I would never fly in anything I
> built." (or anything you built either - implied) to
> "It's made of kindling!" to "Fabric? What happens
> when you hit a bird?"
>
> Then when it was done, the story changed. First came
> "Wow, you built that?" Then they still said they
> would never fly in anything THEY built, but "Hey, when
> can I fly in yours?"
>
> Now things like that help, but days like Michel had
> for a birthday.... those are what you build it for.
> IMHO.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Kurt S.
>
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| Subject: | Re: New skis tested |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Fox5flyer wrote:
> Beautiful job Michael.
Thank you, Randy and Darrel. My pleasure will be tomorrow, when I'll tell my
friend who built the skis about your nice comments. He insisted to be there
when I flew first time and it is the reason I waited as he couldn't make it today.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mark Scott wrote:
> To a person every one of them has had something to say along the lines
> of "I would never fly in that!"
Not having had the privilege of building my plane, I wouldn't know. But, a few
weeks ago, I saw a Kitfox frame, stripped from everything and it made me wonder
if this was really what I am flying.
Incidentally, that Kitfox was not in the initial building process but in a
complete overhauling. It had been used for years as a seaplane and the
framework was very rusted. The present owner was in the process of rebuilding
the entire plane.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
If there is anyone out there that doubts the holding power of the glue that
holds the ribs on ,let me tell you here and now It aint comin off.I've spent
the last week tearing down a damaged right wing , about the only thing I saved
was the rear spar.to get the ribs off I used a Sawsall to cut through the front
of each rib and after removeing the Flaperon and trailing edge I used good
'ol elbow power to break the Ribs off the rear spar .That was the "Fun Part" now
I'm faced with getting the glue and the wood imbeded in the Glue off the spar
,thats right, when the ribs broke off (after prying like Hell) they broke
where there was no Glue .I've been useing a Sharp Knife to get the glue off the
Spar ,but it's like trying to pry concrete from cardboard the glue is harder
than the Aluminum, so far I"ve been lucky any ideas would be welcome
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
If you heat the glue with a heat gun it will soften and the parts will come off
easily. I helped a fellow builder (who had built two left wings) pull one of
his wings apart this way and we saved nearly all of the parts.
Danny Melnik
Kitfox N24ZM
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Danny, is that address correct?
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Jeff,
I hate to differ with you, but Certified aircraft engines make RATED power all
day long. Not FULL. I am sure that if you could get a Lycoming or Continental
to stay together at higer RPM's, I am pretty sure even they could produce more
than 1/2 HP per cubic inch.
Fly Safe,
Neal
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| Subject: | Re: New skis tested |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Michel , Skis look great, nice job , let us know how the test flights go.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New skis tested
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello friends,
>
> Today I finished the installation of my new wheel penetration skis. I
taxied, I
> high-speed taxied on the runway, I taxied on the snow, but I wait until
> tomorrow to take off for the first time. I want to do that with a friend
with
> VHF nearby. Today, I was alone.
>
> Here are some pictures I have just dumped on my server.
> http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
>
> Any comment would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
A heat gun works really good as it makes the glue soft and alot easier to remove.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada From: Dcecil3@aol.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004
17:56:13 EST -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com If there is anyone
out there that doubts the holding power of the glue that holds the ribs on
,let me tell you here and now It aint comin off.I've spent the last week tearing
down a damaged right wing , about the only thing I saved was the rear spar.to
get the ribs off I used a Sawsall to cut through the front of each rib and
after removeing the Flaperon and trailing edge I used good 'ol elbow power to
break the Ribs off the rear spar .That was the "Fun Part" now I'm faced with
getting the glue and the wood imbeded in the Glue off the spar ,thats right,
when the ribs broke off (after prying like Hell) they broke where there was no
Glue .I've been useing a Sharp Knife to
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hey Dan,
In my opinion anybody who's building a plane is entitled to use whatever
they
want, auto engines are fine for those that want to use them. I think
Aircraft
engines are designed specifically for the type useage they'll see in a
plane.
Auto engines aren't. But if somebody wants to do it, that's ceratinly their
perogative.
This list is so sensitive, it's hard to point anything out without people
thinking it's just negative bashing. My point was just that auto engine's
are
not well designed for aircraft use.
About Fade, well here's the link: http://www.fadec.com/index.html To the
best
of my ability to read, it says "A Division of Teledyne" ... :)
Take Care,
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of daniel
johnson
Subject: Kitfox-List: experimenters
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
"not to be critical" i love how everyone says that so i will too. I don't
know who pioneered Fadec, but i know that my manual for the airliner i fly
says a fadec is generic for full authority digital electronic controls. I
don't think continental had anything to do with these units on this plane.
Only reason i throw 2 cents in ....its really so frustrating that all of our
experimenters can't tell the rest of the group about a project or idea
without being replied to with a put-down or a one-up. I have a rotax on my
k3...there was a time i wouldn't have flown behind one, but its a nice
little engine now that its had some operating hours to grasp the bugs and
the limitations. I know its not going to last 2000 hours...but that doesn't
mean i'm going to run out and buy a continental.
I'm not for or against concersions or "airplane engines"...i'll probably
keep the rotax on the kitfox and finish my Corbin Ace with an 0-235.
Point is i'd love to hear about what new ideas some of our guys have....just
seems like the one-uppers and the put-downers can't wait to tell everyone
else why the experimenter is wrong.
Elbie said it right....theres room for all of it. It just seems like it'd
be a whole lot better if the one-uppers and the put-downers could realize
that just because you aren't interested in what another guy is
doing...doesn't mean you have to go to guns on him. Some of us are
listening...if you don't like it, don't do it.
Dan Johnson....waitiing for the one-upper to correct my spelling so they
feel more intelligent than me....have at it.
>From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:03:29 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
>Hey Elbie -
>
>Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
>
>Jeff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>RiteAngle3@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
>
>Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
>EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
>tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be
>flying in
>OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody
>was
>laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their
>aircraft,
> Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever
>all
>fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also
>jumping
>on the FADEC bandwagon.
>Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was
>manufactured
>in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated engines,
>but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a
>man
>who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he is
>crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
>conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot,
>itself a rare
>plane.
>It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this
>great
>hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
>Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old
>stuff. They
>all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the
>aircraft!
> I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a
>~~~KitFox!
>:-)
>
>Elbie
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Ok, I won't quibble semantics with you.
Here's the TCM Spec sheet for the IO-240B
http://www.tcmlink.com/EngSpecSheetDocs/IO240B.pdf
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
nealscherm@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Jeff,
I hate to differ with you, but Certified aircraft engines make RATED power
all day long. Not FULL. I am sure that if you could get a Lycoming or
Continental to stay together at higer RPM's, I am pretty sure even they
could produce more than 1/2 HP per cubic inch.
Fly Safe,
Neal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Kurt and all,
I have talked to Lance in great detail about this installation. In fact, I have
used several of his parts in the construction of my conversion. He has shown
me little interest in pursuing it for a Kitfox. I am sure that with the current
line of engine packages he offers, as well as how busy he is, there is little
opportunity to do it.
I am sure he would not mind selling the parts for this conversion separately though.
His staff has provided good service and his parts are not unrealisticly
priced. We differ on Fuel/Ign controllers, but not in utilizing the stock components
as much as possible. His redrive is a good design, but too heavy for this
application.
I originally wanted to use the Ea-18 because it has been a proven design. However,
I was not confident in the fact that we were trying to get 135-150hp out of
an engine designed for 85. That's a stretch. The EA engine has proven reliable
even with this stress level. I am also much more comfortable with the overhead
cams on the EJ as opposed to pushrods going back and forth 2500 (1/2 of engine
RPM)times a minute. There are a number of other advantages like 16 valves
and such, but as they say, "To each his own".
These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. We are designers and engineers with out the LIMITS
imposed on certificated aircraft and powerplants. We are free to venture
into the technology that has taken an common automobile engine to levels of reliability
unmatched in ANY other application, including certificated powerplants.
Just to keep up with the AD's is a big enough chore, but to have to pay exhorbinate
fees for antiquated parts to keep it "safe", is beyond my ability to
justify.
I understand there are people that have limited confidence levels. Thank god there
are others out there willing to think of and try new ideas.
I have sent pictures to all who requested them. If you have not received them,
let me know.
Fly safe,
Neal
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Neal,
>
> I would like to know more about your installation,
> including pictures. I do believe that is an
> outstanding engine you have, and if you have made it
> fit, you should do very well indeed.
>
> Would it be OK to pass your info on to NSI? I would
> really like to see them provide a KF package with the
> EJ-22 instead of the EA-81.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- nealscherm@comcast.net wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> > nealscherm@comcast.net
> >
> > Just for your info,
> > I have installed an EJ-22 Big Soob engine in a Vixen
> > and will have a lighter empty and nose wheel weight
> > than a IO-240. The engine fits inside a standard
> > Series 7 912/914 cowl and is incredibly powerful at
> > low rpms. It can be done.... With off the shelf
> > parts. At a reasonable price. If any one wants a
> > picture, just let me know offline.
> > In the very near future, I would like to see if one
> > of the little motors can keep up. I'm sure John will
> > be up to it. How about we stage a race between the
> > different powerplants out there and see for
> > ourselves?
> > Regards,
> > Neal
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Yeah Jeff, read it....AeroSance is a division of Teledyne, but a Fadec is a
device made by lots of companies....in my example Rolls Royce/Allison for
the AE3007A1P. By the way...i think the fellows on this list know enough
that a stock auto engine won't do real well just pulled off a car and a prop
thrown on the crank. I think the idea is to do some re-engineering to make
a suitable engine "based" on an automotive engine. That might include cams,
iginitions, sump changes, turbo or supercharging, Fadec, etc. Heck, the PT6
that powers king airs and B1900's was originally produced to run oil wells
i'm told. Its been a backbone in the corporate industry for years although
it wasn't originally designed for the job. The Rolls Merlin sure doesn't
look much like an "airplane engine" if continentals and lycs are all we're
looking at either.
I don't really think its a matter of being sensitive...i just fail to
understand why someone finds the need to throw a downer at any idea they
don't agree with....when they aren't the ones owning or flying behind the
engine. I'm sure the experimenter won't be upset if you didn't go along for
the ride...so lets all relax and listen a little. Again, wouldn't it just
be great if a guy could say...i flew behind a honda and it really impressed
me without someone writing back and saying "i know better" ? I think the
right idea might be even a ....no kidding, wouldn't have guessed....what was
it that really got your attantion? Just my thoughts.
Dan
>From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: experimenters
>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:42:50 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
>Hey Dan,
>
>In my opinion anybody who's building a plane is entitled to use whatever
>they
>want, auto engines are fine for those that want to use them. I think
>Aircraft
>engines are designed specifically for the type useage they'll see in a
>plane.
>Auto engines aren't. But if somebody wants to do it, that's ceratinly their
>perogative.
>
>This list is so sensitive, it's hard to point anything out without people
>thinking it's just negative bashing. My point was just that auto engine's
>are
>not well designed for aircraft use.
>
>About Fade, well here's the link: http://www.fadec.com/index.html To the
>best
>of my ability to read, it says "A Division of Teledyne" ... :)
>
>Take Care,
>Jeff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of daniel
>johnson
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: experimenters
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
><kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
>
>"not to be critical" i love how everyone says that so i will too. I don't
>know who pioneered Fadec, but i know that my manual for the airliner i fly
>says a fadec is generic for full authority digital electronic controls. I
>don't think continental had anything to do with these units on this plane.
>
>Only reason i throw 2 cents in ....its really so frustrating that all of
>our
>experimenters can't tell the rest of the group about a project or idea
>without being replied to with a put-down or a one-up. I have a rotax on my
>k3...there was a time i wouldn't have flown behind one, but its a nice
>little engine now that its had some operating hours to grasp the bugs and
>the limitations. I know its not going to last 2000 hours...but that
>doesn't
>mean i'm going to run out and buy a continental.
>
>I'm not for or against concersions or "airplane engines"...i'll probably
>keep the rotax on the kitfox and finish my Corbin Ace with an 0-235.
>Point is i'd love to hear about what new ideas some of our guys
>have....just
>seems like the one-uppers and the put-downers can't wait to tell everyone
>else why the experimenter is wrong.
>
>Elbie said it right....theres room for all of it. It just seems like it'd
>be a whole lot better if the one-uppers and the put-downers could realize
>that just because you aren't interested in what another guy is
>doing...doesn't mean you have to go to guns on him. Some of us are
>listening...if you don't like it, don't do it.
>
>Dan Johnson....waitiing for the one-upper to correct my spelling so they
>feel more intelligent than me....have at it.
>
> >From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
> >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:03:29 -0600
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> >
> >Hey Elbie -
> >
> >Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
> >
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >
> >Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
> >EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
> >tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be
> >flying in
> >OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody
> >was
> >laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their
> >aircraft,
> > Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever
> >all
> >fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also
> >jumping
> >on the FADEC bandwagon.
> >Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was
> >manufactured
> >in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated
>engines,
> >but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a
> >man
> >who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he
>is
> >crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
> >conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot,
> >itself a rare
> >plane.
> >It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this
> >great
> >hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
> >Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old
> >stuff. They
> >all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the
> >aircraft!
> > I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a
> >~~~KitFox!
> >:-)
> >
> >Elbie
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Great Looking Skis Michel, thanks for putting those pictures up. Dan
Johnson
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Jeff,
It's not semantics, it's fact. An engine produces more power and is more efficient
at higher RPM's. Look at NHRA engines. There is a design limit due to parts
usage. The stronger the part, the more stress it can take.
Lyc's and Conties were designed with, and for the most part use parts manufactured
in the 30's and 40's.
Metallurgy has come a long way in the last 70+ years. it allows higher than 2700-3000
RPM limits in engines. There are limits to even that though. I do not believe
you can reliable run any engine over 1 hp per cubic inch, but many people
do. The fewer reciprocating parts the better. Stainless valves and forged piston
make a BIG difference.
You are entitled to your opinion, others are entitled to theirs.
You are correct, it is our prerogative to use what ever power plant we wish. And
I wish you the best with yours.
Fly safe,
Neal
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Ok, I won't quibble semantics with you.
>
> Here's the TCM Spec sheet for the IO-240B
>
> http://www.tcmlink.com/EngSpecSheetDocs/IO240B.pdf
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> nealscherm@comcast.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
>
> Jeff,
> I hate to differ with you, but Certified aircraft engines make RATED power
> all day long. Not FULL. I am sure that if you could get a Lycoming or
> Continental to stay together at higer RPM's, I am pretty sure even they
> could produce more than 1/2 HP per cubic inch.
>
> Fly Safe,
> Neal
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Hi all. I am planning on installing a king transponder and encoder in my K3
over the next few days. It has all the racks and wiring harness complete as
previously installed and removed for upgrade. I figure this should be a
snap, right :) ?
I haven't had a chance to find a good book on the installation yet so i
figured i'd ask the list memebers a few questions until i find one.
First, does a transponder/encoder normally connect to the same Static line
used by the altimeter,vsi, and airspeed...or does it normally have an
independent port? If independent, placed where ?
Where do most builders place the antenna? I ordered a simple TED antenna
out of AC Spruce.
I remember some of the converstion about the antenna ground plain....someone
tell me what they've fabricated that works well. I know there will be
several different ways, locations...just looking for something quick, easy,
and functional.
Thanks in advance....Dan Johnson.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Note to First Time Builders!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
My friends at a flight school i worked at all wagered on whether i would be
lose my life to a varieze i was rebuilding in front of the world in a common
hangar at the school. A few months later after rebuild it was the some
folks wanting a chance to hitch a ride. I gave the rides though, i think it
helps change minds about homebuilding....anyway i'm sure it will be all the
more sweet when you fly over the neighbors that said it wouldn't fly. :)
Dan Johnson
>From: "Mark Scott" <scottm@dol.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Note to First Time Builders!!
>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:09:37 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Scott" <scottm@dol.net>
>
>So you get that too huh?! Man that annoys the crap out of me when people
>say that stuff. My wife likes to tell her friends and coworkers that we
>have an airplane in the garage, despite me asking her not to. To a person
>every one of them has had something to say along the lines of "I would
>never
>fly in that!" or "You're crazy" or some other negative comment. Next time
>I'm gonna say, 'I wouldn't fly in anything you've built either!'
>Mark Scott
>Elkton, MD
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Note to First Time Builders!!
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > When people came over to see what I was building, the
> > replies went from, "I would never fly in anything I
> > built." (or anything you built either - implied) to
> > "It's made of kindling!" to "Fabric? What happens
> > when you hit a bird?"
> >
> > Then when it was done, the story changed. First came
> > "Wow, you built that?" Then they still said they
> > would never fly in anything THEY built, but "Hey, when
> > can I fly in yours?"
> >
> > Now things like that help, but days like Michel had
> > for a birthday.... those are what you build it for.
> > IMHO.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Kurt S.
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Neal -
I must speak a different version of English than other people. Seems I'm
always making somebody ornery with something I say.
Anyway, what I meant when I said "I won't quibble semantics with you". Is I
don't
want to argue about exactly what rated/full power means. I'm likely wrong
... In
any case, the TCM Spec sheet specifies the IO-240B at 125HP @ 2800
Continuous
Operation. Auto engine's typically will say something like 150 hp, at 6500
rpm.
Which is certainly not intended as meaning "continuous". At their normal
speed
of say 2500-3000 rpnm, they make significantly less power.
Aircraft engines make their <your choice of terms> power at x-rpm for 0-TBO
So whether that means, Rated, or Maximum, I sure as heck don't know ...
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
nealscherm@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Jeff,
It's not semantics, it's fact. An engine produces more power and is more
efficient at higher RPM's. Look at NHRA engines. There is a design limit due
to parts usage. The stronger the part, the more stress it can take.
Lyc's and Conties were designed with, and for the most part use parts
manufactured in the 30's and 40's.
Metallurgy has come a long way in the last 70+ years. it allows higher than
2700-3000 RPM limits in engines. There are limits to even that though. I do
not believe you can reliable run any engine over 1 hp per cubic inch, but
many people do. The fewer reciprocating parts the better. Stainless valves
and forged piston make a BIG difference.
You are entitled to your opinion, others are entitled to theirs.
You are correct, it is our prerogative to use what ever power plant we wish.
And I wish you the best with yours.
Fly safe,
Neal
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Ok, I won't quibble semantics with you.
>
> Here's the TCM Spec sheet for the IO-240B
>
> http://www.tcmlink.com/EngSpecSheetDocs/IO240B.pdf
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> nealscherm@comcast.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
>
> Jeff,
> I hate to differ with you, but Certified aircraft engines make RATED power
> all day long. Not FULL. I am sure that if you could get a Lycoming or
> Continental to stay together at higer RPM's, I am pretty sure even they
> could produce more than 1/2 HP per cubic inch.
>
> Fly Safe,
> Neal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Daniel,
Yes, the encoder uses the same static port as the altimeter, VSI, and
airspeed indicators. Just use a tee connector to tie into the existing
static port. The transponder antenna is best installed on the bottom
side of the fuselage. SkyStar usually provides a small weldment just
behind the pilots seat. A ground plane would provide a longer range for
transponder communications, but it will still work without one. They
are easy to install and I think it is worth the effort.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
daniel johnson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Hi all. I am planning on installing a king transponder and encoder in my K3
>over the next few days. It has all the racks and wiring harness complete as
>previously installed and removed for upgrade. I figure this should be a
>snap, right :) ?
>
>I haven't had a chance to find a good book on the installation yet so i
>figured i'd ask the list memebers a few questions until i find one.
>
>First, does a transponder/encoder normally connect to the same Static line
>used by the altimeter,vsi, and airspeed...or does it normally have an
>independent port? If independent, placed where ?
>
>Where do most builders place the antenna? I ordered a simple TED antenna
>out of AC Spruce.
>
>I remember some of the converstion about the antenna ground plain....someone
>tell me what they've fabricated that works well. I know there will be
>several different ways, locations...just looking for something quick, easy,
>and functional.
>
>Thanks in advance....Dan Johnson.
>
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| Subject: | Favorite Kitfox pic yet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Taxiing on the main gear!
http://www.Little-Acorn.com/taximains0r.jpg
Don't try this unless you have a steady headwind and low pressure in your
tires. And maybe not then, either.
:
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| Subject: | Re: experimenters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I did a Google Search of FADEC and found a number of references that implied
that FADEC is a generic term. Rotorway has a FADEC system, FADEC
International is a company owned by Hispano-Suiza and BAE Systems Controls
etc. The Link posted refers to a company called Aerosance which is in fact
a Teledyne Continental company, but their units are sold under the brand
name: "PowerLink FADEC".
Interestingly enough, the technology is borrowed from the engine controls
used on our automobiles presumably as a response for the need for more
efficient fuel burning for the lower emissions requirements.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: experimenters
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> In my opinion anybody who's building a plane is entitled to use whatever
> they
> want, auto engines are fine for those that want to use them. I think
> Aircraft
> engines are designed specifically for the type useage they'll see in a
> plane.
> Auto engines aren't. But if somebody wants to do it, that's ceratinly
their
> perogative.
>
> This list is so sensitive, it's hard to point anything out without people
> thinking it's just negative bashing. My point was just that auto engine's
> are
> not well designed for aircraft use.
>
> About Fade, well here's the link: http://www.fadec.com/index.html To the
> best
> of my ability to read, it says "A Division of Teledyne" ... :)
>
> Take Care,
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of daniel
> johnson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: experimenters
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
<kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
>
> "not to be critical" i love how everyone says that so i will too. I
don't
> know who pioneered Fadec, but i know that my manual for the airliner i fly
> says a fadec is generic for full authority digital electronic controls. I
> don't think continental had anything to do with these units on this plane.
>
> Only reason i throw 2 cents in ....its really so frustrating that all of
our
> experimenters can't tell the rest of the group about a project or idea
> without being replied to with a put-down or a one-up. I have a rotax on
my
> k3...there was a time i wouldn't have flown behind one, but its a nice
> little engine now that its had some operating hours to grasp the bugs and
> the limitations. I know its not going to last 2000 hours...but that
doesn't
> mean i'm going to run out and buy a continental.
>
> I'm not for or against concersions or "airplane engines"...i'll probably
> keep the rotax on the kitfox and finish my Corbin Ace with an 0-235.
> Point is i'd love to hear about what new ideas some of our guys
have....just
> seems like the one-uppers and the put-downers can't wait to tell everyone
> else why the experimenter is wrong.
>
> Elbie said it right....theres room for all of it. It just seems like it'd
> be a whole lot better if the one-uppers and the put-downers could realize
> that just because you aren't interested in what another guy is
> doing...doesn't mean you have to go to guns on him. Some of us are
> listening...if you don't like it, don't do it.
>
> Dan Johnson....waitiing for the one-upper to correct my spelling so they
> feel more intelligent than me....have at it.
>
> >From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
> >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:03:29 -0600
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> >
> >Hey Elbie -
> >
> >Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
> >
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >
> >Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
> >EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
> >tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be
> >flying in
> >OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody
> >was
> >laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their
> >aircraft,
> > Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever
> >all
> >fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also
> >jumping
> >on the FADEC bandwagon.
> >Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was
> >manufactured
> >in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated
engines,
> >but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a
> >man
> >who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he
is
> >crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
> >conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot,
> >itself a rare
> >plane.
> >It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this
> >great
> >hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
> >Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old
> >stuff. They
> >all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the
> >aircraft!
> > I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a
> >~~~KitFox!
> >:-)
> >
> >Elbie
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
John....thanks for the heads up on the weldment....i'll have a look for it
next time i'm at the hangar. Also thanks for the info on the static port.
I'm left only with the situation with the ground plane. I read on a narco
site that the groundplane on a fabric a/c would normally be a 6" diameter
metal disc with the transponder antenna mounted dead center....they said
this could be glued inside the fabric. Is that about what you fabricated?
or did you attach the ground plane at the weldment you described?
Thanks, Dan Johnson
>From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Transponder installation.
>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:04:27 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
>Daniel,
>
>Yes, the encoder uses the same static port as the altimeter, VSI, and
>airspeed indicators. Just use a tee connector to tie into the existing
>static port. The transponder antenna is best installed on the bottom
>side of the fuselage. SkyStar usually provides a small weldment just
>behind the pilots seat. A ground plane would provide a longer range for
>transponder communications, but it will still work without one. They
>are easy to install and I think it is worth the effort.
>
>--
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
>
>daniel johnson wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
><kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >Hi all. I am planning on installing a king transponder and encoder in my
>K3
> >over the next few days. It has all the racks and wiring harness complete
>as
> >previously installed and removed for upgrade. I figure this should be a
> >snap, right :) ?
> >
> >I haven't had a chance to find a good book on the installation yet so i
> >figured i'd ask the list memebers a few questions until i find one.
> >
> >First, does a transponder/encoder normally connect to the same Static
>line
> >used by the altimeter,vsi, and airspeed...or does it normally have an
> >independent port? If independent, placed where ?
> >
> >Where do most builders place the antenna? I ordered a simple TED antenna
> >out of AC Spruce.
> >
> >I remember some of the converstion about the antenna ground
>plain....someone
> >tell me what they've fabricated that works well. I know there will be
> >several different ways, locations...just looking for something quick,
>easy,
> >and functional.
> >
> >Thanks in advance....Dan Johnson.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
I was chatting with my father today and he mentioned a new VW commercial.
WE've all probably seen this one. A woman is test driving a VW and the
salesman urges her to pass a car.....which ends up being a policeman. So
anyway, the point of the commercial is that the engne is supposed to produce
lots of torque at low rpm, that normally sets off bells and whistles to
airplane guys, huh? I don't know a thing about this engine, but i wonder if
VW has something new coming out that might be popular as a conversion.
Anyone know more?
Dan Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Dan, I have the encoder connected through a "Tee" off the same static
source for the altimeter and VSI. Before first flight, I had the system
checked by a shop for calibration and everything was O.K.
The antenna is mounted to a plate that was on the fuselage just aft of the
landing gear on the pilot's side.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Transponder installation.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
<kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi all. I am planning on installing a king transponder and encoder in my
K3
> over the next few days. It has all the racks and wiring harness complete
as
> previously installed and removed for upgrade. I figure this should be a
> snap, right :) ?
>
> I haven't had a chance to find a good book on the installation yet so i
> figured i'd ask the list memebers a few questions until i find one.
>
> First, does a transponder/encoder normally connect to the same Static line
> used by the altimeter,vsi, and airspeed...or does it normally have an
> independent port? If independent, placed where ?
>
> Where do most builders place the antenna? I ordered a simple TED antenna
> out of AC Spruce.
>
> I remember some of the converstion about the antenna ground
plain....someone
> tell me what they've fabricated that works well. I know there will be
> several different ways, locations...just looking for something quick,
easy,
> and functional.
>
> Thanks in advance....Dan Johnson.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
If its the Gray MMM 2219 heat it up slowly and it will soften. Clint
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| Subject: | Wierd Thing that happened |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Was driving home from the hardware store in my 2001 Dodge Dakota.
There was a VERY LOUD band in the cab, equiv to a BIG firecracker
going off. I thought the passenger side airbag might have fired,
but no ... There was some haze in the cabin, but no smoke. Have
spent at least 30 minutes with my flashlight looking under the
dash, for .... Something ... But not sure what. So far no
evidence of something popping open.
Any guesses put there? I thought possibly the airbag charge,
or possibly a capacitor popped.
Very strange.
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
The ground plane, the fuselage weldment plate, and the antenna base should all
be electrically bonded together. The diameter of the ground plane is determined
by the operating frequency of the antenna. The higher the frequency the smaller
the diameter. VHF antennas should have a ground plane diameter of about
18 inches. I forget what the operating frequency of our transponders are, but
they are higher than VHF.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
daniel johnson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
>
>John....thanks for the heads up on the weldment....i'll have a look for it
>next time i'm at the hangar. Also thanks for the info on the static port.
>I'm left only with the situation with the ground plane. I read on a narco
>site that the groundplane on a fabric a/c would normally be a 6" diameter
>metal disc with the transponder antenna mounted dead center....they said
>this could be glued inside the fabric. Is that about what you fabricated?
>or did you attach the ground plane at the weldment you described?
>
>Thanks, Dan Johnson
>
>
>
>>From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Transponder installation.
>>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:04:27 -0500
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>>
>>Daniel,
>>
>>Yes, the encoder uses the same static port as the altimeter, VSI, and
>>airspeed indicators. Just use a tee connector to tie into the existing
>>static port. The transponder antenna is best installed on the bottom
>>side of the fuselage. SkyStar usually provides a small weldment just
>>behind the pilots seat. A ground plane would provide a longer range for
>>transponder communications, but it will still work without one. They
>>are easy to install and I think it is worth the effort.
>>
>>--
>>John King
>>Warrenton, VA
>>
>>
>>daniel johnson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/6/04 11:04:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
Hey Elbie -
Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
Jeff
Jeff, seems like before I went out on a medical from the airlines and
Continental hadn't produced their Fadec there already FADEC on our jets. Seems
as it
is an easy way of saying Full Authority Digital Electronic Control, Seems
like some companies called it Fully Automatic Digital Electronic Control, and any
way it has been used by many companies, evidentially Continental just uses
the Fadec (not FADEC) as a name for their system. Basically modern automobiles
have FADEC, auto spark advance, auto transmission, auto leaning, auto
temperature control etc. All you do is start, it does everything else to keep
the
engine running efficiently where ever you put your foot!
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Wierd Thing that happened |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Jeff,
Check your air conditioning for proper operation. It's possible the evap core pop
a seal. Usually that fills the cab with freon.
Neal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Used Transponder Antenna. Anybody got one in good shape they want to part
with?. I have a Terra TD 250.
Please contact me off list at:
spdrflyr@earthlink.net
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Good idea. I'll check it out first chance. I hadn't thought of
that.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
nealscherm@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wierd Thing that happened
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Jeff,
Check your air conditioning for proper operation. It's possible the evap
core pop a seal. Usually that fills the cab with freon.
Neal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/6/04 11:04:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
Hey Elbie -
Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
Jeff
Jeff, seems like before I went out on a medical from the airlines and
Continental hadn't produced their Fadec there already FADEC on our jets. Seems
as it
is an easy way of saying Full Authority Digital Electronic Control, Seems
like some companies called it Fully Automatic Digital Electronic Control, and any
way it has been used by many companies, evidentially Continental just uses
the Fadec (not FADEC) as a name for their system. Basically modern automobiles
have FADEC, auto spark advance, auto transmission, auto leaning, auto
temperature control etc. All you do is start, it does everything else to keep
the
engine running efficiently where ever you put your foot!
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/6/04 11:04:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
Hey Elbie -
Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
Jeff
Jeff, seems like before I went out on a medical from the airlines and
Continental hadn't produced their Fadec there already FADEC on our jets. Seems
as it
is an easy way of saying Full Authority Digital Electronic Control, Seems
like some companies called it Fully Automatic Digital Electronic Control, and any
way it has been used by many companies, evidentially Continental just uses
the Fadec (not FADEC) as a name for their system. Basically modern automobiles
have FADEC, auto spark advance, auto transmission, auto leaning, auto
temperature control etc. All you do is start, it does everything else to keep
the
engine running efficiently where ever you put your foot!
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rex@awarenest.com>
I concur with the other replies that heat will soften
the epoxy. I had the same question when I joined this
list. HOWEVER, I WOULD STOP USING A METAL TOOL TO REMOVE
THE EPOXY! You don't want to scratch the surface of the
spar which would create a surface stress area that would
develop into a stress crack over time from flex during
flight.
Also there was some concern about excessive heat which
might effect the strength of the alloy. I suggest you use
a heat gun and wave the nozzle over and away from the spar
while heating the epoxy to minimize heat build-up in the
aluminum. At the same time use your scraping tool (which
you've previously fashioned from a hardwood such as oak
and shaped like a chisel) to test the heat release of the
epoxy. A homemade hardwood chisel such as this will not
further damage the aluminum spar. To avoid burning the
wood, DON'T hold the chisel under the heat gun nozzle. You
don't use a hammer, just push the epoxy joint once it has
reached a temperature that breaks the bond. Test this
technique on the leading spar if you still have it. This
worked well for me.
I also will add that I tried recommended solvents to
attack the epoxy with no effect. (MEK and Acetone).
Rex
M2/582
----- Original Message -----
From: Dcecil3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
If there is anyone out there that doubts the holding power
of the glue that
holds the ribs on ,let me tell you here and now It aint
comin off.I've spent
the last week tearing down a damaged right wing , about
the only thing I saved
was the rear spar.to get the ribs off I used a Sawsall to
cut through the front
of each rib and after removeing the Flaperon and trailing
edge I used good
'ol elbow power to break the Ribs off the rear spar .That
was the "Fun Part" now
I'm faced with getting the glue and the wood imbeded in
the Glue off the spar
,thats right, when the ribs broke off (after prying like
Hell) they broke
where there was no Glue .I've been useing a Sharp Knife to
get the glue off the
Spar ,but it's like trying to pry concrete from cardboard
the glue is harder
than the Aluminum, so far I"ve been lucky any ideas would
be welcomeI concur with the other replies that heat will
soften the epoxy. I had the same question when I joined
this list. HOWEVER, I WOULD STOP USING A METAL TOOL TO
REMOVE THE EPOXY! You don't want to scratch the surface of
the spar which would create a surface stress area that
would develop into a stress crack over time from flex
during flight.
Also there was some concern about excessive heat which
might effect the strength of the alloy. I suggest you use
a heat gun and wave the nozzle over and away from the spar
while heating the epoxy to minimize heat build-up in the
aluminum. At the same time use your scraping tool (which
you've previously fashioned from a hardwood such as oak
and shaped like a chisel) to test the heat release of the
epoxy. A homemade hardwood chisel such as this will not
further damage the aluminum spar. To avoid burning the
wood, DON'T hold the chisel under the heat gun nozzle. You
don't use a hammer, just push the epoxy joint once it has
reached a temperature that breaks the bond. Test this
technique on the leading spar if you still have it. This
worked well for me.
I also will add that I tried recommended solvents to
attack the epoxy with no effect. (MEK and Acetone).
Rex
M2/582
----- Original Message -----
From: Dcecil3@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
If there is anyone out there that doubts the holding power
of the glue that
holds the ribs on ,let me tell you here and now It aint
comin off.I've spent
the last week tearing down a damaged right wing , about
the only thing I saved
was the rear spar.to get the ribs off I used a Sawsall to
cut through the front
of each rib and after removeing the Flaperon and trailing
edge I used good
'ol elbow power to break the Ribs off the rear spar .That
was the "Fun Part" now
I'm faced with getting the glue and the wood imbeded in
the Glue off the spar
,thats right, when the ribs broke off (after prying like
Hell) they broke
where there was no Glue .I've been useing a Sharp Knife to
get the glue off the
Spar ,but it's like trying to pry concrete from cardboard
the glue is harder
than the Aluminum, so far I"ve been lucky any ideas would
be welcome
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Good post, Rex.
I was just typing up the same warnings about scratching the metal, but yours
was great.
Which also brings to mind the warnings in the manuals that the alum spars
should NEVER be sanded radically due to formations of stress points from the
sanding scratches. They should only be sanded longitudinally. However, I
have looked at a lot of Skystar quick build wings. Guess which way THEY
sanded the spars?
Don Pearsall
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/6/04 11:04:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
Hey Elbie -
Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
Jeff
Jeff, seems like before I went out on a medical from the airlines and
Continental hadn't produced their Fadec there already FADEC on our jets. Seems
as it
is an easy way of saying Full Authority Digital Electronic Control, Seems
like some companies called it Fully Automatic Digital Electronic Control, and any
way it has been used by many companies, evidentially Continental just uses
the Fadec (not FADEC) as a name for their system. Basically modern automobiles
have FADEC, auto spark advance, auto transmission, auto leaning, auto
temperature control etc. All you do is start, it does everything else to keep
the
engine running efficiently where ever you put your foot!
Elbie
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Thanks a lot Rex! As I said so far I have been lucky I haven't scratched but
have plenty of oak around and a heat gun. I do have the old front spar. I also
found the "Root Rib" Glue to be soft and Rubber like you guy's out there
ought to check that. I assume that those ribs were installed last and I also
assume the glue was at the end of it's shelf life, which was a problem with the
gray 3M glue
Thanks David Cecil
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| Subject: | Re: email address change |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: FlyCyOZ@aol.com
In a message dated 7/03/2004 4:45:39 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
> I am not sure I understand what you mean by "changing address." But if it
> is
> your AOL subscription, you simply terminate it (ask AOL about how) and find
> Good luck,
>
> Michel
>
I am changing ISP -- want that new address to go to the kitfox list.......
cy
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Daniel,
I agree with John. In particular, you should make
sure the grounds are good enough to last a long time.
They will tend to corrode from the electrical signal
from the radio, if not solid. Using different metals
will make that more likely, and most mounts have more
than one type metal involved.
Since it is for the xponder, which uses a single
frequency to transmit on, the ground plane can be a
circle the same radius as the antenna, or twice the
antenna in diameter. That should be about 6". You
are right. The antenna goes smack in the middle.
Kurt S.
--- "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
> <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> The ground plane, the fuselage weldment plate, and
> the antenna base should all be electrically bonded
> together. The diameter of the ground plane is
> determined by the operating frequency of the
> antenna. The higher the frequency the smaller the
> diameter. VHF antennas should have a ground plane
> diameter of about 18 inches. I forget what the
> operating frequency of our transponders are, but
> they are higher than VHF.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
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