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1. 12:01 AM - Re: Wierd Thing that happened (kurt schrader)
2. 12:31 AM - Re: New skis tested (kurt schrader)
3. 01:45 AM - Re: Transponder installation. (Michel Verheughe)
4. 01:57 AM - Re: Favorite Kitfox pic yet (Michel Verheughe)
5. 02:02 AM - Re: New skis tested (Michel Verheughe)
6. 04:38 AM - Re: Wierd Thing that happened (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
7. 05:03 AM - Re: EJ-22 (Fox5flyer)
8. 06:05 AM - Re: LED Nav. Lights (VFT@aol.com)
9. 06:26 AM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** ()
10. 06:40 AM - Re: Looking for a: (Bob Unternaehrer)
11. 07:03 AM - Re: Transponder installation. (Lowell Fitt)
12. 08:08 AM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** (Dcecil3@aol.com)
13. 09:24 AM - Kitfox Owners in Va (Dcecil3@aol.com)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: Wierd Thing that happened (Steve M)
15. 10:07 AM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** (Marc Arseneault)
16. 10:22 AM - Re: 3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** (Dcecil3@aol.com)
17. 10:30 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 03/04/04 (londt)
18. 10:44 AM - Ski testing day (Michel Verheughe)
19. 10:58 AM - Several questions (Bill Pleso)
20. 11:00 AM - Re: EJ-22 (kurt schrader)
21. 11:03 AM - Re: Transponder installation. (Michel Verheughe)
22. 11:07 AM - Re: Kitfox Owners in Va (Ronald K. Stevens)
23. 11:10 AM - Re: Several questions (Dcecil3@aol.com)
24. 11:23 AM - Re: Kitfox Owners in Va (Dcecil3@aol.com)
25. 11:23 AM - Re: Several questions (JMCBEAN)
26. 11:45 AM - Re: Several questions (kurt schrader)
27. 12:36 PM - Re: Several questions (JMCBEAN)
28. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: engines (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
29. 01:05 PM - Re: New skis tested (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
30. 01:19 PM - Sorry for the double & triple posting (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
31. 03:09 PM - Re: Several questions (Lowell Fitt)
32. 03:12 PM - Southern Calif fly-ins coming (Steve M)
33. 03:16 PM - Re: Several questions (Lowell Fitt)
34. 03:34 PM - Re: Several questions (Dcecil3@aol.com)
35. 03:38 PM - Re: Ski testing day (Fred Shiple)
36. 03:50 PM - Re: Several questions (Steve Zakreski)
37. 04:03 PM - From another List..... California fly-in, August 20,21 (JMCBEAN)
38. 04:05 PM - Re: Several questions (Marc Arseneault)
39. 04:07 PM - Re: Doors (Marc Arseneault)
40. 04:13 PM - Re: From another List..... California fly-in, August 20,21 (JMCBEAN)
41. 05:12 PM - Re: Kitfox Owners in Va (Ronald K. Stevens)
42. 05:20 PM - Re: Kitfox Owners in Va (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
43. 05:43 PM - Re: experimenters (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
44. 08:20 PM - San Diego Kitfoxes? (Guy Buchanan)
45. 08:27 PM - Re: Movable rudder pedals - Was Several questions (kurt schrader)
46. 08:34 PM - Re: Ski testing day (kurt schrader)
47. 09:45 PM - Re: Antennas and ground planes (kurt schrader)
48. 10:12 PM - Re: Antennas and ground planes (daniel johnson)
49. 11:02 PM - Re: Note to First Time Builders!! (kurt schrader)
50. 11:35 PM - Re: Re: large bag pod (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: Wierd Thing that happened |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Jeff,
Was there a smell to the haze? You would smell it if
it were electrical. If not, that A/C blowing is a
good guess. Does the A/C work now?
You weren't in Ohio, were you? They shoot vehicles
there.
Kurt S.
--- Jeff Hays <jeff.hays@aselia.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Was driving home from the hardware store in my 2001
> Dodge Dakota.
> There was a VERY LOUD band in the cab, equiv to a
> BIG firecracker
> going off. I thought the passenger side airbag might
> have fired,
> but no ... There was some haze in the cabin, but no
> smoke. Have
> spent at least 30 minutes with my flashlight looking
> under the
> dash, for .... Something ... But not sure what. So
> far no
> evidence of something popping open.
>
> Any guesses put there? I thought possibly the airbag
> charge,
> or possibly a capacitor popped.
>
> Very strange.
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| Subject: | Re: New skis tested |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I don't know Michel. Looks like they were made in
Holland with those turned up pointed tips. :-)
You are having way too much fun! Not at all like a
year ago. ;-)
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>>
> Hello friends,
>
> Today I finished the installation of my new wheel
> penetration skis.
>
> Here are some pictures I have just dumped on my
> server.
> http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
>
> Any comment would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
daniel johnson wrote:
> ....they said this could be glued inside the fabric.
Yes, Dan. One year ago, I was advice by this list to use a ground plane and
make sure it was electrically conductive to the signal ground (socket of the
coax plug) and the plane's framework. But since I've had a lot of misery with
my ham radio in my sailboat in the past, I went for a ground plane on the top
of the fabric, not wired to the framework. Since then, I have asked radar check
many times, far away from the radars and it seems to work pretty well for me.
I made a hole in the fabric, aft of the passenger's seat, with a soldering
iron, then sat the antenna (a gift from Torgeir. Thanks again, friend!) in the
hole, used a large rubber washer inside, a one foot diameter aluminium disk,
then the nut. Screwed the coax on the top, et voila!
Good luck with your installation!
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite Kitfox pic yet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve M wrote:
> Don't try this unless you have a steady headwind and low pressure in your
> tires. And maybe not then, either.
This is interesting, Steve because I always taxi that way in headwind or no
wind. It gives me a better view forward and a feeling of control. With only 50
hours in a Kitfox I shouldn't be good at this ... yet. I guess it is all that
high-speed taxi training I did last spring, waiting for an instructor.
... I just love to taxi tail up, then pull the throttle and push the stick
forward, in order to get a very smooth landing of the tailwheel on the asphalt.
I have the hard rubber Maule wheel and if I can set it down without hearing of
feeling anything, I am a happy man; I feel I can handle my gal with elegance
... and she deserves it! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: New skis tested |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> I don't know Michel. Looks like they were made in
> Holland with those turned up pointed tips. :-)
... wait until I have put flower pots with tulips on the skis, Kurt! :-)
> You are having way too much fun! Not at all like a
> year ago. ;-)
Indeed, indeed! But I think there has been many builders (which I am not) that
have freaked out at the end of completion and meeting Mister Inspector. But
once we fly our birds, all those become things of the past.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Wierd Thing that happened |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2004 3:01:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
Jeff,
Was there a smell to the haze? You would smell it if
it were electrical. If not, that A/C blowing is a
good guess. Does the A/C work now?
You weren't in Ohio, were you? They shoot vehicles
there.
Kurt S.
Yes, Jeff I will bet you your evaporator coil has popped open. It has
happened several times to my buddies who drive Dakotas, Caravans, Rams, etc. Those
coils have a push and lock type fitting on them. All manufacturers are
lightening up their vehicles with plastic and aluminum use in many areas. My
favorite thing to hate about it is the plastic upper and lower tanks on the aluminum
radiator cores with a galvanized steel retaining band that has crimped cleats
to sandwich a rubber seal to the core. My solution would be to drive the
Dakota to Minneapolis while the temperatures are still cold and dump it for a
Tacoma or a Tundra. :
) That way you'll get to do some 300,000 mile field
testing of a Nippondenso alternator too!
The Ohio highway sniper is soon to be caught in a cross fire!
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Well said Neal. Would you put me on your list for photos please?
Darrel
275 hours on my NSI and not a single problem.
> Hey Kurt and all,
> I have talked to Lance in great detail about this installation. In fact, I
have used several of his parts in the construction of my conversion. He has
shown me little interest in pursuing it for a Kitfox. I am sure that with
the current line of engine packages he offers, as well as how busy he is,
there is little opportunity to do it.
> I am sure he would not mind selling the parts for this conversion
separately though. His staff has provided good service and his parts are not
unrealisticly priced. We differ on Fuel/Ign controllers, but not in
utilizing the stock components as much as possible. His redrive is a good
design, but too heavy for this application.
> I originally wanted to use the Ea-18 because it has been a proven design.
However, I was not confident in the fact that we were trying to get
135-150hp out of an engine designed for 85. That's a stretch. The EA engine
has proven reliable even with this stress level. I am also much more
comfortable with the overhead cams on the EJ as opposed to pushrods going
back and forth 2500 (1/2 of engine RPM)times a minute. There are a number of
other advantages like 16 valves and such, but as they say, "To each his
own".
> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. We are designers and engineers with out
the LIMITS imposed on certificated aircraft and powerplants. We are free to
venture into the technology that has taken an common automobile engine to
levels of reliability unmatched in ANY other application, including
certificated powerplants. Just to keep up with the AD's is a big enough
chore, but to have to pay exhorbinate fees for antiquated parts to keep it
"safe", is beyond my ability to justify.
> I understand there are people that have limited confidence levels. Thank
god there are others out there willing to think of and try new ideas.
> I have sent pictures to all who requested them. If you have not received
them, let me know.
>
> Fly safe,
> Neal
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| Subject: | Re: LED Nav. Lights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
Should be http://www.creativair.com/
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rex@awarenest.com>
Thanks Don,
It is gratifing to help when I've gotten so much from
this list. Your comments are just icing on that.
Rex
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:51:22 -0800
"Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
><donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>Good post, Rex.
>I was just typing up the same warnings about scratching
>the metal, but yours
>was great.
>
>Which also brings to mind the warnings in the manuals
>that the alum spars
>should NEVER be sanded radically due to formations of
>stress points from the
>sanding scratches. They should only be sanded
>longitudinally. However, I
>have looked at a lot of Skystar quick build wings. Guess
>which way THEY
>sanded the spars?
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>Contributions
>other
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list
>http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
>
>
Rex
South Park, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I've got a "spike" that's missing the lock nut for $15 plus $5 for shipping.
Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for a:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Used Transponder Antenna. Anybody got one in good shape they want to part
> with?. I have a Terra TD 250.
> Please contact me off list at:
>
> spdrflyr@earthlink.net
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This ground plane idea has always posed questions in my mind. Ham radio
operators using vertical antennas can't possibly create a ground plane of
solid metal to the dimensions needed so they usually bury a number of
radials in the ground to the diameter needed. I put no ground planes under
any of my antennas. In the group I fly with, I am told that my signal is
among the best of the group. It is my feeling that the tubular structure of
the airframe acts very much like the "radials" that Ham radio operators use.
Further, the dissimilar metals idea that Kurt mentioned would seem to
eliminate an aluminum sheet as an appropriate ground plane. We lived in a
house for 16 years with aluminum wiring. flickering lights and buzzing light
switches was the norm. I would suggest, if a ground plane was felt
necessary, that some of the adhesive copper tape used by the stained glass
people could be applied to the underside of the fabric in a radial pattern -
maybe a dozen or so - all soldered to a brass washer of the appropriate
diameter to fit the antenna post which would help avoid the possible
electrolysis effect of dissimilar metals.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Transponder installation.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Daniel,
>
> I agree with John. In particular, you should make
> sure the grounds are good enough to last a long time.
> They will tend to corrode from the electrical signal
> from the radio, if not solid. Using different metals
> will make that more likely, and most mounts have more
> than one type metal involved.
>
> Since it is for the xponder, which uses a single
> frequency to transmit on, the ground plane can be a
> circle the same radius as the antenna, or twice the
> antenna in diameter. That should be about 6". You
> are right. The antenna goes smack in the middle.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
> > <kingjohn@erols.com>
> >
> > The ground plane, the fuselage weldment plate, and
> > the antenna base should all be electrically bonded
> > together. The diameter of the ground plane is
> > determined by the operating frequency of the
> > antenna. The higher the frequency the smaller the
> > diameter. VHF antennas should have a ground plane
> > diameter of about 18 inches. I forget what the
> > operating frequency of our transponders are, but
> > they are higher than VHF.
> >
> > --
> > John King
> > Warrenton, VA
>
> __________________________________
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Thanks guys. I used the Good 'ol Milwaukee Heat Gun this mourning, had the
glue off there in about an Hour and a half used a piece of Rib Cap Strip as a
scraper and no I don't have any hair on my right Knuckles now. I have a new
front Spar and insert on order. I guess the hardest part of taking the wing apart,
was getting the Gas Tank out. It was "Glued" in place with 3M 732 silicone
Sealer, used an aircraft chip hook, a long, thin flat piece of tempered metal,
used to debur where you can't reach and ran it parallel to the spar and tank
hooking the silicone and pulling it out until I got it released from the spar.
It worked great no damage to the tank or the spar
Many Thanks once again. As I said yesterday This site is as valuable to me as
my builders manual more so. A little Note I found out the other day for you
Model 3 builders out there. The Manual I have says the Washout on the wing
should be 1" it should have been 1 3/4" !!!!!! but I checked mine using the other
wing and it's 1". If your Rebuilding a wing and this was'ent checked you'd
have a pretty squirrly airplane. Dave at skystar said the manual came out with
the error and it was'ent caught until late in the production run.
Best David Cecil
KF#950
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| Subject: | Kitfox Owners in Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Are there any owners in the Roanoke area? I love to see one already
built.I've only seen one up close and the owner was'ent around.It was at a Airstrip
in
Marion NC. flew in there in a Challenger 2 .Would love to get a chance to see
another
Best David Cecil
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| Subject: | Wierd Thing that happened |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Had a loud bang like that happen in my old VW bus in Colorado, in the dead
of winter. Turned out to be an unopened soft-drink can in a six-pack I had
in the back, which had frozen, expanded, and...
Took the rest that hadn't grenaded yet, carefully put them on the ground,
and started throwing rocks at them from a safe distance. Several more loud
bangs, and one took off like a rocket. A good time was had by all.
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
San Diego, CA, where never is heard a discouraging word or loud bangs from
sprite cans in winter
>From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wierd Thing that happened
>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:34:18 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
>Was driving home from the hardware store in my 2001 Dodge Dakota.
>There was a VERY LOUD band in the cab, equiv to a BIG firecracker
>going off. I thought the passenger side airbag might have fired,
>but no ... There was some haze in the cabin, but no smoke. Have
>spent at least 30 minutes with my flashlight looking under the
>dash, for .... Something ... But not sure what. So far no
>evidence of something popping open.
>
>Any guesses put there? I thought possibly the airbag charge,
>or possibly a capacitor popped.
>
>Very strange.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
David,
If ever you have to remove a fuel tank again, run a piece of snare wire between
the spar and tank. Worked really good for me! When you re-install your tank,
run a straight edge on the top of your capstrips and adjust the tank as best you
can with them but more then likely you will have to put some Superfil on the
low spots. Install the top of your tank as tight as possible to the #1 rib and
install a few wood braces ( I put 3 braces made from the stringer left overs)
between the #1 rib and fuel tank to prevent the rib from puliing in towards
the tank once you stretch your fabric. I hope I explained it ok!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: Dcecil3@aol.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004
11:08:21 EST -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Thanks guys. I
used the
Good 'ol Milwaukee Heat Gun this mourning, had the glue off there in about an
Hour and a half used a piece of Rib Cap Strip as a scraper and no I don't have
any hair on my right Knuckles now. I have a new front Spar and insert on order.
I guess the hardest part of taking the wing apart, was getting the Gas Tank
out. It was "Glued" in place with 3M 732 silicone Sealer, used an aircraft chip
hook, a long, thin flat piece of tempered metal, used to debur where you can't
reach and ran it parallel to the spar and tank hooking the silicone and pulling
it out until I got it released from the spar. It worked great no damage
to the tank or the spar Many Thanks once again. As I said yesterday This site
is as valuable to me as my builders manual more so. A little Note I found out
the other day for you Model 3 builders out there. The Manual I have says the
Washout on the wing should be 1" it should have been 1 3/4" !!!!!! but I checked
mine using the other wing and it's 1". If your Reb
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:3M Glue * *IMPORTANT** |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Marc the original builders used 1/4" Masonite to fill about a 1" gap between
the tank and the #1 Rib. I thought about the Snare wire but because the back
of the tank has a lip that hangs over the spar the applied pressure would have
been towards the Spar.the Front Spar was'ent a problem.going back with the
tank I intend to use the silicone sealer and use wedges to keep it the proper
hight until set. I thought about pulling Masonery chord at 4 places on the
adjacent ribs to the tank and useing the wedges to prop it up until the sealer
is
set.Yes thats very lightly pulling on the string
Thanks for the Great Help!
David Cecil
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 32 Msgs - 03/04/04 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "londt" <londt@cyberserv.co.za>
I have been on and off the list for +- 3 yrs. and have never had any spam,
so believe that it comes from areas other than the list.
Regards
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> Total Messages Posted Thu 03/04/04: 32
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> 1. 02:13 AM - bungee cords (broschart)
> 2. 05:03 AM - Re: wings (Steve Zakreski)
> 3. 05:20 AM - Re: wings (W Duke)
> 4. 06:08 AM - . (rob)
> 5. 07:12 AM - Re: wings (Rick)
> 6. 07:17 AM - Re: wings (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
> 7. 07:38 AM - Re: wings (Marc Arseneault)
> 8. 07:58 AM - Re: wings (Harris, Robert)
> 9. 08:07 AM - Re: wings (flier)
> 10. 08:36 AM - Re: wings (JMCBEAN)
> 11. 09:11 AM - Tailwheel spring needed! (Clifford Begnaud)
> 12. 09:20 AM - Re: large bag pod (Steve M)
> 13. 09:54 AM - Nav/Com Kx 125 (hausding, sid)
> 14. 10:21 AM - AW: Spam, from where? (Werner Keiper)
> 15. 10:51 AM - Question about skis (Michel Verheughe)
> 16. 10:54 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring needed! (Norm Beauchamp)
> 17. 11:09 AM - Re: Question about skis (Gary Algate)
> 18. 01:00 PM - Re: Question about skis (Michel Verheughe)
> 19. 03:11 PM - Question about skis (Kirk's Welding)
> 20. 04:18 PM - Re: Question about skis (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 21. 04:25 PM - Re: Question about skis (Bruce Lina)
> 22. 04:29 PM - Other list on Matronics. (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 23. 04:51 PM - French site, Foxpapa. (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 24. 04:51 PM - AC for mos and skis (Scott McClintock)
> 25. 05:12 PM - Re: GEL batteries. (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 26. 06:08 PM - Overheating 582 (Tc9008@aol.com)
> 27. 06:21 PM - Re: Tools (Dcecil3@aol.com)
> 28. 07:13 PM - off topic (Jay & Beverly Carter)
> 29. 08:05 PM - Re: Overheating 582 (dwight purdy)
> 30. 08:15 PM - 912 Carbs Falling off (Don Pearsall)
> 31. 10:14 PM - Need some help... (Bob Robertson)
> 32. 11:44 PM - Re: NSI Update (kurt schrader)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
> Time: 02:13:39 AM PST US
> From: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: bungee cords
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> i bought a light vice grip pliers with long jaws to try for installing
> the bungee cords and it worked very well taped the jaws to cover the
> sharp edges and got the bungee in first try, working alone without using
> any tie wraps
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 05:03:12 AM PST US
> From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Bill
>
> I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
> with a bolts.
>
> SteveZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
> Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
> question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
> (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from
the
> coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their
plane
> so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
> What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
> somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to
accomodate
> "larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
> Bill
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:20:53 AM PST US
> From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> I thought about the same thing but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease
of maintenance
> on the sight guages/fuel lines etc. I think it probable saved time in
> construction because I was able to work on the inboard end of the wing
without
> completely removing it.
>
> Maxwell
>
> Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
>
> Bill
>
> I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
> with a bolts.
>
> SteveZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
> Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso"
>
> Builders,
> If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
> question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
> (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
> coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
> so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
> What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
> somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to
accomodate
> "larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
> Bill
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:08:29 AM PST US
> From: "rob" <edmist_r@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: .
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rob" <edmist_r@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 07:12:53 AM PST US
> From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Please don't take this comment the wrong way, but anything weight wise
that
> moves you CG to far forward. I have the NSI engine, rear mount battery and
> sweep wings. Don't have the numbers right here, but the plane required
sweep
> wings. Beside they stay cleaner that way. If your an engineer you wont see
> the humor, that's OK.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
> Zakreski
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Bill
>
> I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
> with a bolts.
>
> SteveZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
> Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
> question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
> (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from
the
> coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their
plane
> so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
> What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
> somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to
accomodate
> "larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
> Bill
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:17:10 AM PST US
> From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Mine can be folded but with great difficulty, I used bolts. Also
> 3/8 braided steel fuel lines straight out of the tanks (i.e. no elbow).
> I prefer the fuel line routing this way, and I could not get the
> plumbing I used, in the way Skystar spec'd. Also left the buttrib
> area open inside which is handy for putting stuff there in flight.
>
> A few pics at http://www.aselia.com/jshays/cabin.htm but not too
> much detail of the final result. You can see the holes where I
> ran the fuel lines through, and for the sight gauge area's I
> bonded in flat piece's of Lexan.
>
> I installed inline (Earl's) fuel valves right behind the pilot and
> passenger head area, and for the rare times I fold my wings, I
> disconnect the fuel lines in order to to do it.
>
> >From the fuel valves to the header, is 3/8 aluminum tubing which
> is adel clamed to the airframe immediately behind the seats.
>
> I also ran a braided steel vent line tube as well, and used all AN
> fittings. I just couldn't get comfortable with all that rubber
> and plastic carrying fuel everywhere.
>
> Takes me about 30 minutes to fold my wings the way I did it, so far
> I did it only once to inspect the finger strainers for kreem residue
> but found none. Otherwise I keep the plane hangared, so no folding.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> I thought about the same thing but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease
of
> maintenance on the sight guages/fuel lines etc. I think it probable saved
> time in construction because I was able to work on the inboard end of the
> wing without completely removing it.
>
> Maxwell
>
> Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
>
> Bill
>
> I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar pins
> with a bolts.
>
> SteveZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
> Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso"
>
> Builders,
> If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
> question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
> (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from the
> coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their plane
> so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
> What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
> somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to
accomodate
> "larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
> Bill
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:38:08 AM PST US
> From: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I have my wings folded in a matter of minutes. I remove the front bolts
and flapperon
> bolts, the fuel lines are long enough to not disconnect them and install
> my wing braces and on my way I am. Very quick and easy to do therefore I
don't
> agree with mounting wings permanently as this might be a downfall when you
> decide to sell your plane at a later time.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings Date: Thu, 4 Mar
2004 10:17:04 -0500 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Mine can be folded but with great difficulty, I used
bolts. Also 3/8 braided steel fuel lines straight out of the tanks (i.e. no
elbow). I prefer the fuel line routing this way, and I could not get the
plumbing I used, in the way Skystar spec'd. Also left the buttrib area open
inside which is handy for putting stuff there in flight. A few pics at
http://www.aselia.com/jshays/cabin.htm but not too much detail of the final
result. You can see the holes where I ran the fuel lines through, and for
the sight gauge area's I bonded in flat piece's of Lexan. I installed inline
(Earl's) fuel valves right behind the pilot
> and passenger head area, and for the rare times I fold my wings, I
disconnect
> the fuel lines in order to to do it. From the fuel valves to the header,
is 3/8
> aluminum tubing which is adel clamed to the airframe immediately behind
the
> seats. I also ran a braided steel vent line tube as well, and used all AN
fittings.
> I just couldn't get comfortable with all that rubber and plastic carrying
> fuel everywhere. Takes me about 30 minutes to fold my wings the way I did
it,
> so far I did it only once to inspect the finger strainers for kreem
residue
> but found none. Otherwise I keep the plane hangared, so no folding.
Original
> Message: ----------------- From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar
2004
> 05:20:40 -0800 (PST) To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE:
Kitfox-List:
> wings -- Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <N981MS@YAHOO.COM>I thought
about
> the same thing but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease of maintenance on
> the sight guages/fuel lines etc. I think it proba
> ble saved time in construction because I was able to work on the inboard
end of the wing without completely removing it. Maxwell Steve Zakreski
<SZAKRESKI@SHAW.CA>wrote: -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
Bill I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar
pins with a bolts. SteveZ -----Original Message----- From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: wings -- Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Bill Pleso" Builders, If everyone has had their fill of
controversy, I have a comment and a question. First, I just came back from
Jeff's site about his Outback (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look
great. A big attaboy from the coast of North Carolina. My question is this:
Has anyone built their plane so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up
being more work or less? What needed to be changed or done differently?
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:58:50 AM PST US
> From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Test
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Arseneault
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
> <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I have my wings folded in a matter of minutes. I remove the front bolts
and
> flapperon bolts, the fuel lines are long enough to not disconnect them and
> install my wing braces and on my way I am. Very quick and easy to do
> therefore I don't agree with mounting wings permanently as this might be a
> downfall when you decide to sell your plane at a later time.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Reply-To:
> kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE:
> Kitfox-List: wings Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:17:04 -0500 -- Kitfox-List
> message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <JEFF.HAYS@ASELIA.COM>Mine can
be
> folded but with great difficulty, I used bolts. Also 3/8 braided steel
fuel
> lines straight out of the tanks (i.e. no elbow). I prefer the fuel line
> routing this way, and I could not get the plumbing I used, in the way
> Skystar spec'd. Also left the buttrib area open inside which is handy for
> putting stuff there in flight. A few pics at
> http://www.aselia.com/jshays/cabin.htm but not too much detail of the
final
> result. You can see the holes where I ran the fuel lines through, and for
> the sight gauge area's I bonded in flat piece's of Lexan. I installed
inline
> (Earl's) fuel valves right behind the pilot
> and passenger head area, and for the rare times I fold my wings, I
> disconnect the fuel lines in order to to do it. From the fuel valves to
the
> header, is 3/8 aluminum tubing which is adel clamed to the airframe
> immediately behind the seats. I also ran a braided steel vent line tube as
> well, and used all AN fittings. I just couldn't get comfortable with all
> that rubber and plastic carrying fuel everywhere. Takes me about 30
minutes
> to fold my wings the way I did it, so far I did it only once to inspect
the
> finger strainers for kreem residue but found none. Otherwise I keep the
> plane hangared, so no folding. Original Message: ----------------- From: W
> Duke n981ms@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 05:20:40 -0800 (PST) To:
> kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings -- Kitfox-List
> message posted by: W Duke <N981MS@YAHOO.COM>I thought about the same thing
> but was swayed by a list comment wrt ease of maintenance on the sight
> guages/fuel lines etc. I think it proba
> ble saved time in construction because I was able to work on the inboard
> end of the wing without completely removing it. Maxwell Steve Zakreski
> <SZAKRESKI@SHAW.CA>wrote: -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> Bill I keep my aircraft in a hangar, so I simply replaced the front spar
> pins with a bolts. SteveZ -----Original Message----- From:
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso To:
> kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: wings -- Kitfox-List
message
> posted by: "Bill Pleso" Builders, If everyone has had their fill of
> controversy, I have a comment and a question. First, I just came back from
> Jeff's site about his Outback (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look
> great. A big attaboy from the coast of North Carolina. My question is
this:
> Has anyone built their plane so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up
> being more work or less? What needed to be changed or done differently?
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:07:59 AM PST US
> From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I agree with Marc. Takes a matter of minutes.
>
> Now, big question is what would be the purpose of
> fixing the wings to NOT fold? I can't think of any
> excellent reason to build the wings fixed??
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Marc Arseneault"
> <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
> <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >I have my wings folded in a matter of minutes. I
> remove the front bolts and flapperon bolts, the fuel
> lines are long enough to not disconnect them and
> install my wing braces and on my way I am. Very quick
> and easy to do therefore I don't agree with mounting
> wings permanently as this might be a downfall when
> you decide to sell your plane at a later time.
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Marc Arseneault
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:36:39 AM PST US
> From: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Bill,
> Not sure what the gain would be to set the wings up not to
fold.....
>
> As far as the sweep... The No sweep wing is for the Rotax 912, 912s and
914
> series engines on the Series 5, 6 and 7 aircraft. The 1 degree forward
> sweep was for those same aircraft utilizing the Cont IO-240 or Lyc O-235
> installations.
>
> What would be considered larger ?.... If the installed weight is going to
be
> closer to the Cont or Lyc then the sweep would most likely be desirable...
>
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
> Subject: Kitfox-List: wings
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> If everyone has had their fill of controversy, I have a comment and a
> question. First, I just came back from Jeff's site about his Outback
> (N85AE). The fit-n-finish on the plane look great. A big attaboy from
the
> coast of North Carolina. My question is this: Has anyone built their
plane
> so that the wings DO NOT fold? Did it wind up being more work or less?
> What needed to be changed or done differently? One more thing. Could
> somebody fill me in on the particulars of forward swept wings to
accomodate
> "larger" engines? What would be considered "larger"?
> Bill
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:11:52 AM PST US
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring needed!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Does anyone have a tailwheel spring lying aroung that you would sell to
me?
> Skystar has a new 3-leaf steel spring in testing right now and will have
it
> for sale soon, but I need one asap. I'll take aluminum or steel, doesn't
> matter.
> Thanks,
> Cliff
> 303-673-0021
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:20:44 AM PST US
> From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: large bag pod
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
> I haven't looked, Bob. I just see them on cars a lot around here (San
> Diego), and theought the one might fit well under my Model 2.
>
>
> >From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: large bag pod
> >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:23:39 -0600
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> ><shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> >Steve, Where are you seeing the "Thule" carriers sold. bob U.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: large bag pod
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > I don't have one of the Denney ones. But I've been wondering if one of
> >the
> > > long, narrow car-top carriers by Thule might work under my Model 2,
> >mounted
> > > upside-down with the large end forward. Would have to build a way to
> >keep
> >it
> > > permanently closed in flight, of couorse, maybe some metal straps that
> >hold
> > > it to the plane. It could not be opened until it was removed from the
> >plane,
> > > which may or may not be convenient.
> > >
> > > How much do those things weigh? Might they serve as decent baggage
> >cariers?
> > > They look somewhat streamlined.
> > >
> > > If I fly with it near a military or other sensitive area in this
> >post-9/11
> > > era, might some F-16 pilot think I'm carrying a bomb, and shoot me
down?
> > > That would definitely be inconvenient!
> > >
> > > Steve Maher
> > > Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
> > >
> > > One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar
now!
> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > >
> >
> >---
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
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>
>
> Time: 09:54:39 AM PST US
> From: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Nav/Com Kx 125
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
> For anyone looking for a super deal on a new radio for their aircraft:
>
> Title: NAV/COM KX 125 General Aviation Radio/Homebuilders
> Item # : The item number for your new listing is 2464698377.
> URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI
> dll?ViewItem&item=2464698377
>
>
> new in box, never hooked up.........
> Thank you for your indulgence and call with any questions, or write.
>
> Sid
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
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>
>
> Time: 10:21:55 AM PST US
> From: "Werner Keiper" <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de>
> Subject: AW: Kitfox-List: Spam, from where?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper"
<Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am on this list since 2 years and I have no increase of spam since we
went
> to Matronics.
>
> Regards
>
> Werner
> Kitfox 3 / Germany
>
> -----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Ted
Palamarek
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mrz 2004 00:51
> An: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Betreff: RE: Kitfox-List: Spam, from where?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> --> <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Torgeir
>
> I haven't seen any increase since we went to Matronics. The spammers have
> some pretty ingenious ways of getting hold of your e-mail address. I
noticed
> I got a lot of spam when someone ran a sequential series of letters
starting
> with temc then temca then temcb etc till they finally click on you e-mail
by
> a process of elimination. Those spammers are the low life's on this
earth.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Ted P
> Edmonton, Ab
>
>
> <<<<SNIP>>>>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just a thought, after joining this new list, I've for the first time got
> spam in my mail box. I'll never received spam ever before in the priv.
> mail box. The strange thing is that, this started a few days after we
joined
> this new list. I'm just wondered that, is it possible that someone "grab"
> our adresses, as the can be collected by anyone, and just sell them to
> "adverticers"?
>
> Any others out there with this exp.??
> Do not archive
> Torgeir.
>
>
> ==============
> Contributions
> other
> ==============
> ==============
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> ==============
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
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>
>
> Time: 10:51:05 AM PST US
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Good day, fellow Kitfoxer,
>
> I have now mounted my new wheel penetration skis. My gal looks gorgeous
and I
> can't wait to go and test her in the snow. But, before that, I need to
adjust
> my retaining wires. I think I got it right in the front but I am not sure
for
> the aft ones. My question is this: From level (engine hub perpendicular to
the
> ground) attitude, what is the maximum "up" angle the skis can have, in
degrees.
> I have seen many photos of Kitfox on ski, on the ground. But not in
flight. How
> much "up" do they point?
>
> BTW, once the skis mounted, it became easy for me to measure the toe-in.
It
> turns to be 0.9 degrees from the centerline. A good angle, isn't it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
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>
>
> Time: 10:54:20 AM PST US
> From: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring needed!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
> I have the double leaf steel if you are interested. Norm
>
> Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> > Does anyone have a tailwheel spring lying aroung that you would sell to
me?
> > Skystar has a new 3-leaf steel spring in testing right now and will have
it
> > for sale soon, but I need one asap. I'll take aluminum or steel, doesn't
> > matter.
> > Thanks,
> > Cliff
> > 303-673-0021
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
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>
>
> Time: 11:09:12 AM PST US
> From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Michel - are you going to post some photos - I am really interested in
> this.
>
> By the way - I landed on a remote field last weekend and it was deep
slushy
> snow. After I touched down and was completing my run out the slushy snow
> caused so much drag that my tail came up and I was once again faced with a
> view of the runway that I dread. Then all of a sudden, at a pretty acute
> angle the tail stabilized and snapped back down.
>
> I thought I was going to end up turned turtle but as it turned out the
> limiting wires on the rear of the skis prevented the plane from going
over.
> All I need to do now is work out how to get these wires onto my wheels
> ???????????? Maybe I need one of those big centre skis like an SE-5.
>
> It took me about an hour of taxiing up and down and stomping the snow in
> front of my skis before I managed to get out of there.
>
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I have now mounted my new wheel penetration skis. My gal looks gorgeous
and
> I can't wait to go and test her in the snow. But, before that, I need to
> adjust my retaining wires. I think I got it right in the front but I am
not
> sure for the aft ones. My question is this: From level (engine hub
> perpendicular to the
> ground) attitude, what is the maximum "up" angle the skis can have, in
> degrees. I have seen many photos of Kitfox on ski, on the ground. But not
in
> flight. How much "up" do they point?
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
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>
>
> Time: 01:00:40 PM PST US
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Gary Algate wrote:
> > Michel - are you going to post some photos - I am really interested in
> > this.
>
> Of course, I will, Gary! That will be the first time I can contribute to
the
> list with something slightly interesting.
>
> > I was once again faced with a view of the runway that I dread.
>
> ... do you really enjoy scaring me? :-)
>
> > I thought I was going to end up turned turtle but as it turned out the
> > limiting wires on the rear of the skis prevented the plane from going
over.
>
> And a good thing it did. Now, how long should that wire be, as my initial
> question was? And while I am at it, what are your thoughts about a
tailwheel
> ski? I really can't figure out how to fix that on a Maule tailwheel.
Another
> thing is: How does it affect the pitching of the plane? Because it would
be
> working like an elevator trim, right?
> I see that most Norwegian light planes on skis don't use tailwheel skis.
That's
> ok when you land on e.g. frozen lakes. But what in deep snow? And what
about
> deep soft snow covered by an icy crust? Doesn't it tear of the wheel,
springs,
> etc?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
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>
>
> Time: 03:11:08 PM PST US
> From: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
>
> Michel:
>
> I scanned and attached a couple pages of AC 43.13-2A. These are the regs
for
> rigging certified aircraft skis. I used these figures on my Kitfox, and
it works
> great.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Kirk Martenson
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
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>
>
> Time: 04:18:12 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Kirk,
>
>
> Here is a link to the actual chapter (- from my bookmark file). ;-)
>
> Just for everyone to see.
>
>
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ski.html
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Kirk's Welding wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
> >
> > Michel:
> >
> > I scanned and attached a couple pages of AC 43.13-2A. These are the
regs for
> rigging certified aircraft skis. I used these figures on my Kitfox, and
it
> works great.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Kirk Martenson
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
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>
>
> Time: 04:25:49 PM PST US
> From: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
>
> Michel, The FAA publication AC43.13-2A has an extensive section on
> recommended ski installation. They recommend 0 to 5 degree tip up on the
> nose of the ski with the aircraft level and 20 to 35 degrees tip down.
Since
> I have just finished installing straight Federaal 1850 skis on my Series 5
,
> I have been doing a lot of research on ski installation. Seems ski
> installers in Alaska shoot for the 0 to 5 degree tip up but most say that
20
> degrees tip down is plenty. Also be sure you have a bungee that will
provide
> enough pull force so that it takes 20 to 40 lbs to push the tip of the ski
> down (according to the FAA ). If you do not have a strong enough bungee
> system, the ski will be pulled tip down over center at high speeds and
high
> "G" manuvers. Seems there is a real science to this ski installation
stuff.
> Good Luck Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Question about skis
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > Good day, fellow Kitfoxer,
> >
> > I have now mounted my new wheel penetration skis. My gal looks gorgeous
> and I
> > can't wait to go and test her in the snow. But, before that, I need to
> adjust
> > my retaining wires. I think I got it right in the front but I am not
sure
> for
> > the aft ones. My question is this: From level (engine hub perpendicular
to
> the
> > ground) attitude, what is the maximum "up" angle the skis can have, in
> degrees.
> > I have seen many photos of Kitfox on ski, on the ground. But not in
> flight. How
> > much "up" do they point?
> >
> > BTW, once the skis mounted, it became easy for me to measure the toe-in.
> It
> > turns to be 0.9 degrees from the centerline. A good angle, isn't it?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
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>
>
> Time: 04:29:56 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Other list on Matronics.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
> Hmmm-, here is the direct link to the Matronics "list browser", the
> place where you can see all the other list, including "our" Kitfoxlist,
> of course. I'll think most of you'll know about this address, but just
> in case..
>
> Lots of interesting things around- "to lurk". :-)
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/ListBrowse/index.html
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
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>
>
> Time: 04:51:12 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: French site, Foxpapa.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi, just me, again...
>
>
> Here is another one, for the French speaking people, well- I'm sure
> others figure out something...
>
> Not quite a Kitfox site, but the name give some associations. :-)
>
> This site is a little "avionics" related, got it from Gilles on the
> Europa list. Here it's lot's of interesting things.
>
> Her it is:
>
> http://www.foxpapa.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=135
>
> The main site:
>
> http://www.foxpapa.com/
>
> (Hi Michel, what do you think.)
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
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>
>
> Time: 04:51:19 PM PST US
> From: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: AC for mos and skis
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> Hey Guys,
> Here is the link for AC 43.13-2a which covers a lot of stuff including
> ski installation.
> Just download the 3 .pdf files. Probably not a bad idea for all of us to
> have a copy on hand.
>
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular
.nsf/0/E533BB05389C90E486256A54006E47B2?OpenDocument
>
> Scott in Nome
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
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>
>
> Time: 05:12:55 PM PST US
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GEL batteries.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Interesting battery this one.
>
> I've made some comparison between the two, not that "schematic" :-),
> but..
>
> The Odyssey seems to be more tolerate to voltage, but the Sonnenschein
> can do more "cycles". Cranking capacity seems to be very similar. Also
> there is another good benefit to the Odyssey, this is the linear
> function between voltage and capacity. Read the battery voltage (with an
> accurate digital voltmeter) before cranking the engine, then you'll know
> how much "juice" there is to use. In other word. Just turn on the master
> and check your current battery cap. Great battery!
>
> But, the downside, they are very difficult to find here-, on the other
> side of the "pond".
>
> How much to pay for an 16 Ah ?
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Jeff Hays wrote:
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> > Hi Torgeir -
> >
> > I read about a dry cell battery manufactured by Hawker recently
> > and switched to their PC-680 it cranks my IO-240 about twice as
> > fast as the B&C it replaced, weighs 10 lb.s less, and can be
> > deep cycled as well.
> >
> > Take a look at http://www.odysseyfactory.com/
> >
> > Plus it cost me only $69 US
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jeff Hays
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
> > Mortensen
> > To: Kitfox List
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: GEL batteries.
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > At the moment I'm working on a project using GEL batteries from
> > Sonnenschein, the one made in Germany. In this project I'm using the
> > A512/16 G5. This battery "can" be discharged (approx) 200 Amp. cont.,
> > and not more than 5 seconds up to 700 Amps! How about that? In fact,
> > this battery match a (with same cap.) NiCad. pretty much.
> >
> > This battery might be a perfect match for a Kitfox-, or alike. For the
> > best life length, this battery need a three step charger as the charging
> > voltage is to be adjusted according to the temperature. Some just run
> > this battery with a standard charger, if you'll plan to do-, make sure
> > that the max. Charging voltage is according to Sonnenschein specs.
> >
> > There is just one other brand that's also a "real" GEL battery, this
> > is the Deka Gel-Tech in US.
> > You'll find lot's of info at the links below.
> >
> > The weight is 6.8 Kg eq. to 15 LB, the size; (181 X 76 X 167) mm. or
> > (7.126 X 2.953 X 6.575)"
> >
> > I'll know this kind of battery is not easy to get in US., but here is
> > some link about this battery:
> >
> > Here you'll find all you need to know about the handling, charging and
> > where to get such a battery.
> >
> > http://www.sonnenschein.org/A500.htm
> >
> > Also, here is the article Bob Nuckolls wrote about using RG and GEL :
> >
> > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/battery.pdf
> >
> > And here is another from Bob about RG batteries:
> >
> > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/rg_bat.html
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Torgeir.
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
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>
>
> Time: 06:08:03 PM PST US
> From: Tc9008@aol.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Overheating 582
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
>
> Today it was nice about 75. My cooling system was close to 200 on take off
> and climb. On cruise it cooled down to 180. What will happen when the temp
gets
>
> to 90? Anyone got any ideas?
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
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>
>
> Time: 06:21:32 PM PST US
> From: Dcecil3@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tools
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> John save your hands for better things go to ebay and bid on a air-riveter
> ,you can get one for around 40 bucks .also go to aviation and theres a
world of
>
> aircraft specific tools you can find there ,from Clecos to bucking bars
>
>
> Best David Cecil
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
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>
>
> Time: 07:13:40 PM PST US
> From: "Jay & Beverly Carter" <valley361@centurytel.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: off topic
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter"
<valley361@centurytel.net>
>
> Is there anyone on the list living in Norway? If so I would
> like to e-mail off list.
> Jay
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
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>
>
> Time: 08:05:45 PM PST US
> From: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Overheating 582
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
> When I first bought my 532 model II there was no thermostat. In the heat
of
> the summer it barely reached 180 deg. Most the time only 170 to 175. I put
> an after market stat in for the benefit of winter warm ups and more even
> temps when cold out. Must be allot more flow with it out.
>
> Dwight
>
> At 09:07 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
> >
> >Today it was nice about 75. My cooling system was close to 200 on take
off
> >and climb. On cruise it cooled down to 180. What will happen when the
temp
> >gets
> >to 90? Anyone got any ideas?
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
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>
>
> Time: 08:15:33 PM PST US
> From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Carbs Falling off
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> (posted for a pending list member)
>
> Hi Everybody
> I've been reading the Avid forum website for some time and asked them for
> advice about my 912 carbs. I have been advised to contact the Kitfox
> mailing list as it would appear that a lot more of you guys are using 912
> engines.
> I have just finished building my Avid C model hauler with most of the Mark
> IV extras and a Rotax 912 engine.
>
> My problem is that sometimes when I start the engine, the engine shakes
> violently and one or more of the carbs fall out of the carb sockets. I
have
> the extra support springs on top of the carbs and have replaced the
sockets
> with the new part no.s 267787. I note that Rotax have just this week
> produced a new 267788 carb socket.
> I am not the only person in New Zealand to have this problem and Rotax
> agents in NZ and Australia initially told me the idle speed was wrong, I
was
> flooding the engine, something was out of balance etc etc etc. They now
say
> that the Avid engine mounts are too soft and that my engine is moving too
> far. Has anybody else had this problem and has anybody invented an
> additional support to help hold the carbs on a 912? I have not actually
> flown my Avid yet but the thought of a carb nearly coming off on start up
> and then dropping off in mid air is a little worrying!
>
> Cheers
> Brian Leach
> leach@wk.planet.gen.nz
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
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>
>
> Time: 10:14:04 PM PST US
> From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Need some help...
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
>
> I know this isn't 100% Kitfox, but.......
> We have a customer with an Avid Mk4.. He is interested in
> switching from the 582 to a new Rtx 912. We are wondering if the
> engine mount for the Kitfox is the same as the one for the Avid?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Robertson
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
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>
>
> Time: 11:44:41 PM PST US
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Update
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> For those interested in, or have an NSI product:
>
> I just talked to Lance on Tuesday. He is coming to an
> end on development for the NSI big engines to power
> Glastars and such. He says the preferred engines now
> for them are NSI. More than 50% of Glastars will have
> them. I wish those bigger Soob engines fit the
> KitFox. They may be the best engine out there overall
> for their size, but they are too heavy for us. SS and
> NSI may well outlast the Glastars anyway.
>
> Some specifics for us are:
>
> 1. He now recommends 160 degrees for coolant and 180
> for oil temps as best. We can still go a bit hotter,
> but those he considers "ideal" temps. He now measures
> oil temp out of the cooler rather than at the pan, so
> the reading will be cooler there than we see now on
> the pan.
>
> 2. He is very much in favor of SS exhaust valves.
> Says the intake valves haven't been a problem, so no
> need to change them, unless you just want to.
>
> 3. Keep the EGT's below 1550 when measured at our new
> turbo crossunder point, just out of the exhaust ports.
>
> 4. The best fix for the oil seperator/breather
> burping is to move the drain to the front, top of the
> oil pan instead of at the back, where it is now. This
> may not be a problem for the nosewheel airplanes, but
> in our taildraggers, the oil has been covering the
> drain hose and gets blown out from crankcase pressure
> on powerup. With the nose up for takeoff or climb,
> the oil is lower in front and the drain line should be
> above it there. Someone in S. Africa came up with
> this solution. The only problem then is if you slam
> the power to it with the nose down, like for stall
> recovery. Less common than takeoffs...
>
> Looking at mine, I see where I could run a line under
> the engine's (aircraft) left side to the front of the
> pan. But then it would not all run up hill to the
> breather/seperator with the nose up, so there could be
> some trapped oil in the line that will still blow out.
>
> I am instead thinking of running a second smaller line
> off the pan front end up the left front side and over
> the top of the engine, to join at the
> seperator/breather. One of these two lines should
> always be uncovered to exhaust the crankcase blowby
> and avoid the burping, while the other still drains
> back. Just an idea so far. If it works, there should
> be no burping and no oil loss at all. It shouldn't
> weigh any more than the add on drain line and/or a
> capture cup some use now.
>
> 5. Lance highly recommends a fuel pressure regulator
> for our carbs. He says that fuel pressure changes
> cause mixture changes. Always keep steady pressure
> between 3-5 psi at the carb. That means a regulated
> pump on all the time. I am looking at regulators now.
>
> 6. EA-81 production has been temperorarily stopped
> for several months while a new output module is in
> development to handle the power increases he is
> getting. It will weigh 7 pounds more at the very
> front of the plane. :-(
>
> 8. According to his daughter, one of the new new
> props has been produced for testing, but was built
> backwards by the vendor.... or do our engines spin
> backwards? Results TBD.
>
> Kurt S.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Bruce Lina wrote:
> Michel , Skis look great, nice job , let us know how the test flights go.
Thank you, Dan and Bruce. The test flight went very well. If you go back to the
link:
http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
scroll down and look at the new pictures, you'll see that I had a very nice day.
Kurt, as you can see, I did a low pass and checked my altimeter. Maybe 50 feet
above my real altitude. I must have a slight underpressure at 70 MHP. I think
I'll install a static port one day, but it is not my first priority.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
I have a question about the rudder pedal placement (Classic IV). I was thinking
about using the adjustable rudder pedal set-up before I get too far into
the construction. I'm 5'10" (32" inseam) and was wondering how the stock brackets
would fit someone my size. Could somebody who's using the adjustable pedals
send me a couple of pictures off-line? Also, how long is the throw in the
rudder pedals from one extreme to the other? For the people using a somewhat
heavy engine (mine is a VW), where have you wound up placing your battery box?
I'm considering using a different cowl, so I have the origional (4 pc.) like
new with no holes. Is there anyone out there who needs a new front end? I'm
just getting started, so you'll probably be hearing from me a lot. Thanks.
Bill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Neal,
Yes, I would like your pics and any info you feel like
sharing on the installation, especially how to keep
the engine weight down.
You are right about Lance. He invents more himself
than he has time to build. I just thought he might
get some ideas on how you lightened the weight.
Others will always argue because we "marry" our
engines and no one wants theirs to be called ugly, but
the EJ is probably the best engine available in their
size for planes, if you can make the mods last and
keep the weight down.
I have the EA-81 myself and it has the hyd lifters,
which helps, but is not injected. It didn't weigh as
much as I thought it would. Lance's advertised
weights were correct for me. Most others leave off
items that you need to hide the real weight.
I certainly considered all the others, but for
lifetime expense, the Soobs come out on top.
You are right. The EJ is a better motor all around,
IMHO.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder installation. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> I would suggest, if a ground plane was felt necessary, that some of the
> adhesive copper tape.
I think it's a good idea, Lowell. I was thinking of doing the same, last year.
But I opted for the one foot diameter aluminium disk.
As a ham, I have had all kinds of antenna: Dipoles, beam, long wire and
vertical. The latter is the kind we have on our planes and it requires a ground
plane to have the radio waves "bouncing" on. My vertal antenna (two meters
high) had 4 wires radiating from the base and going to the 4 corners of my
flat-roofed house. I also have my ham radio on the sailboat. There, I use the
backstay as an antenna and ... no ground plane. Because the world's best ground
plane is ... the sea! However, I had to lead the signal. What I did was to
cover about 2 square meters of my hull (aft of the engine room, a place under
the waterline where no one is going) with aluminium foil. Because, even at
relatively "low" frequency, like the 40 and 80 meters band, the signal is going
through the hull by inductance, like a capacitor.
On my sailboat, I managed to "talk" (telegraphy) from Norway to Canada with as
little as 5 watts effect.
Anyway, in my humble opinion, adhesive copper tapes in radials will work just
as fine as a disk.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Owners in Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
I've got a Kitfox 6 - still under construction - in Manassas, VA. Might
take you three and a half hours to get here from Roanoke.
Also, John King has a finished model 6 in Warrenton, VA. (about 40
minutes from here). Chuck Tippet also has a model 4 and I think a model
2 or model 3 as well. He's located at Warrenton (W66) as well. Charlie
Conti used to hanger his fox at W66, but think he moved it to an airpark
-- sorry I can't remember which one.
There's bound to one closer to you. Maybe someone on the list knows.
Ron
Series 6 - NSI Turbo - CAP 140
Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
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>
>Are there any owners in the Roanoke area? I love to see one already
>built.I've only seen one up close and the owner was'ent around.It was at a Airstrip
in
>Marion NC. flew in there in a Challenger 2 .Would love to get a chance to see
>another
> Best David Cecil
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
I too would like to see Pictures of the adjustable Pedals.I have a Model 3
and sitting in the seat befor the tear down to rebuild ,the reach to the Pedals
was uncomfortable ,the backs of my legs have to press into the seat.I don't
know who Dan Denney used for the model for the cockpit layout , but I'm 5'11"
and I have to reach for the Pedals
Thanks David Cecil
KF#950
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Thanks for the reply Ron. Was hoping for someone alittle closer. I used to
live in Gaithersburg, MD So familiar with Manassas and Warrenton and I know
there are a couple of foxes in the Chesapeake area. I was hoping to find one in
southwest, VA. I'm in Franklin CO. about 6 MI. from Smith Mtn.Lake (540 Mi. of
Shoreline) would make for a great floatplane site if it were not for the Nuts
on the Jet skies. thanks for the offer though if I can't find any here I
might make a day trip up to see yours
Best David Cecil
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| Subject: | Several questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Bill,
The adjustable rudder pedals are used on the 5, 6 and 7. The brackets
are
installed in the center console. I'm sure one could set something up for
the IV but it would require a lot of re-thinking. When the 912S is
installed in the IV or Lite the battery is installed behind the seat to the
side of the baggage sack.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: Several questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
I have a question about the rudder pedal placement (Classic IV). I was
thinking about using the adjustable rudder pedal set-up before I get too far
into the construction. I'm 5'10" (32" inseam) and was wondering how the
stock brackets would fit someone my size. Could somebody who's using the
adjustable pedals send me a couple of pictures off-line? Also, how long is
the throw in the rudder pedals from one extreme to the other? For the
people using a somewhat heavy engine (mine is a VW), where have you wound up
placing your battery box? I'm considering using a different cowl, so I have
the origional (4 pc.) like new with no holes. Is there anyone out there who
needs a new front end? I'm just getting started, so you'll probably be
hearing from me a lot. Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Several questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Bill,
I have the model 5 and didn't install the adjustable
pedals. I am the same size as you and made mine to
fit. But mine does come designed for links that have
multiple holes in them so that you can still relocate
the rudder cables to bring the pedals closer. It
isn't easy, but they do adjust.
On the 4, if I remember correctly, you can get at the
cable ends to the pedals much easier. Using the same
multi-holed link principle, you could make yours
adjustable in moments. But I think both sets of
pedals would change together?
Just an idea. Some people just change coushins...
Kurt S.
--- Bill Pleso <bill77@cox.net> wrote:
> Builders, I have a question about the rudder pedal
> placement (Classic IV).
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Ooops... I'm thinking in-flight adjustable... The links would definitely
work on the IV.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Several questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Bill,
I have the model 5 and didn't install the adjustable
pedals. I am the same size as you and made mine to
fit. But mine does come designed for links that have
multiple holes in them so that you can still relocate
the rudder cables to bring the pedals closer. It
isn't easy, but they do adjust.
On the 4, if I remember correctly, you can get at the
cable ends to the pedals much easier. Using the same
multi-holed link principle, you could make yours
adjustable in moments. But I think both sets of
pedals would change together?
Just an idea. Some people just change coushins...
Kurt S.
--- Bill Pleso <bill77@cox.net> wrote:
> Builders, I have a question about the rudder pedal
> placement (Classic IV).
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/6/04 11:04:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
Hey Elbie -
Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
Jeff
Jeff, seems like before I went out on a medical from the airlines and
Continental hadn't produced their Fadec there already FADEC on our jets. Seems
as it
is an easy way of saying Full Authority Digital Electronic Control, Seems
like some companies called it Fully Automatic Digital Electronic Control, and any
way it has been used by many companies, evidentially Continental just uses
the Fadec (not FADEC) as a name for their system. Basically modern automobiles
have FADEC, auto spark advance, auto transmission, auto leaning, auto
temperature control etc. All you do is start, it does everything else to keep
the
engine running efficiently where ever you put your foot!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: New skis tested |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/6/04 9:42:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, michel@online.no
writes:
Today I finished the installation of my new wheel penetration skis. I taxied,
I
high-speed taxied on the runway, I taxied on the snow, but I wait until
tomorrow to take off for the first time
Great Michel, this is what EAA is about!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Sorry for the double & triple posting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Gang, I sure didn't intend on double & triple posting, my computer went wild
evidently, don't really know what happened, said to send later, same thing a
little later, so finally went through today, Evidently went through every
time it said it didn't send.
Sorry for the mess up! Will know better next time!
Fly and build Safely!
Sincerely,
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Several questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Bill, You are almost exactly my size. I find that on the long flights,
three hours or more, I wish I had a little more leg room, but I don't think
adjustable pedals would be the solution as I am almost at the firewall at
the limit of travel anyway. I think they might be helpful for legs shorter
than ours, though.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Several questions
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> I have a question about the rudder pedal placement (Classic IV). I
was thinking about using the adjustable rudder pedal set-up before I get too
far into the construction. I'm 5'10" (32" inseam) and was wondering how the
stock brackets would fit someone my size. Could somebody who's using the
adjustable pedals send me a couple of pictures off-line? Also, how long is
the throw in the rudder pedals from one extreme to the other? For the
people using a somewhat heavy engine (mine is a VW), where have you wound up
placing your battery box? I'm considering using a different cowl, so I have
the origional (4 pc.) like new with no holes. Is there anyone out there who
needs a new front end? I'm just getting started, so you'll probably be
hearing from me a lot. Thanks.
> Bill
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| Subject: | Southern Calif fly-ins coming |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
There are a couple of fly-ins for ULs and Experimentals etc. coming up.
Borrego Springs, Mar. 19-21 (Fri-Sun), hosted by the Perris Ultralight
Squadron. This has been rescheduled from its earlier (rained out) date.
Borrego Valley Airport (L08) is at 33-15.54167N / 116-19.25833W for
you GPS acolytes. Elevation 520 ft, make left traffic for Runway 25,
or right traffic for runway 7. Watch out for the tall tower a quarter-
mile north of the runway, and avoid the aerobatic area that's north
of that. If you have an airband radio, 122.8 is the normal Unicom
frequency, and 126.575 is the AWOS (recorded voice weather service).
You can also call 760-767-3308 before you take off, to get current
weather at Borrego.
100LL is available for those who like it, but better bring your own 2-
stroke oil or arrange for some to be brought in. I don't know if
autogas is available at Borrego airport. The "Just Blu Inn" is about
18 miles east of Borrego (about 4 miles east of Ocotillo Wells) on
Hwy 78, and has autogas, a convenience store, and a dirt airstrip of
sorts. I believe there's no autogas available at Ocotillo Wells
unless you can talk the dirt-bike guys out of a couple of gallons.
For more info, see http://www.airnav.com/airport/L08 .
Be aware that there are two airfields in Borrego Springs. The Borrego
Valley Airport is where the fly-in is. There's also the Borrego
Valley Air Ranch, about five miles to the southeast of Borrego
Valley, which I believe is a private strip with a 3,000-ft runway.
The Perris Ultralight Club website is
http://www.ultralightsquadron.org .
Ocotillo Wells, Mar. 26-29 (Fri-Sun) Sponsored by EAA Chapter 14 from San
Diego. Their fourth annual fly-in at Ocotillo Wells (L90). Food and drink
will be available for modest cost.
See http://www.Little-Acorn.com/OcotFlyin2004.jpg
No fuel is available at Ocotillo Wells, but autogas is available at the Just
Blue Inn about 4 miles east. As mentioned above, they have a dirt landing
strip of sorts for ultralights.
There is a restaurant next to the airport called the My Desert Rose Cafe,
and an ATV repair station too.
For details of Ocotillo Wells airport, see
http://www.airnav.com/airport/L90
http://www.Little-Acorn.com/ocotilo4.jpg and
http://www.Little-Acorn.com/ocotillo.doc
Steve Maher
Kitfox Model 2, Geo Metro engine
San Diego, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Several questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
David, I think adjustable pedals might be a good idea if a number of
different sized people fly regularly. If it will be just you, give some
thought to simply shorten the rudder cables a bit. The Model IV manual had
adjusting links that would serve as a rudimentary pedal adjustment. Not as
easy to adjust as what you are considering, but simpler and lighter. The
adjustment mechanism does little more than shortening or lengthening the
cables.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dcecil3@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Several questions
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> I too would like to see Pictures of the adjustable Pedals.I have a Model 3
> and sitting in the seat befor the tear down to rebuild ,the reach to the
Pedals
> was uncomfortable ,the backs of my legs have to press into the seat.I
don't
> know who Dan Denney used for the model for the cockpit layout , but I'm
5'11"
> and I have to reach for the Pedals
> Thanks David Cecil
> KF#950
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Yea Lowell the Model 3 had a Multi holed flat tang at the rudder I assume for
the same purpose.Had a major setback here today the right hand door frame is
sprung ,happend when the airplane crashed. The front of the door frame is up
against the vertical post when the door is shut so the back barley catches.
Had a hard time getting it to fit ,so gave it alittle tweek and the frame broke
where the eyebolt goes through it. Guess I'll have to TIG that back
together.Was so discusted I went and flew the Harley.
Thanks David Cecil
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| Subject: | Re: Ski testing day |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
Thanks for the update. Looks like you've got a well thought out and executed set
up. Those of us who have not built our skis yet appreciate seeing what we've
got to look forward to.
Fred
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I'm 5'=9", 32" inseam, own a Classic IV, and the rudder position (stock) is
perfect just where it is.
SteveZ
Calgary
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Several questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Bill,
The adjustable rudder pedals are used on the 5, 6 and 7. The
brackets are
installed in the center console. I'm sure one could set something up for
the IV but it would require a lot of re-thinking. When the 912S is
installed in the IV or Lite the battery is installed behind the seat to the
side of the baggage sack.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: Several questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
I have a question about the rudder pedal placement (Classic IV). I was
thinking about using the adjustable rudder pedal set-up before I get too far
into the construction. I'm 5'10" (32" inseam) and was wondering how the
stock brackets would fit someone my size. Could somebody who's using the
adjustable pedals send me a couple of pictures off-line? Also, how long is
the throw in the rudder pedals from one extreme to the other? For the
people using a somewhat heavy engine (mine is a VW), where have you wound up
placing your battery box? I'm considering using a different cowl, so I have
the origional (4 pc.) like new with no holes. Is there anyone out there who
needs a new front end? I'm just getting started, so you'll probably be
hearing from me a lot. Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | From another List..... California fly-in, August 20,21 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
This was posted on another list and thought I would put it up here.. Also,
Dont forget he Cameron Park Fly-in.. in June.
Hello Kitfox enthusiasts. I would like to invite all Kitfox members to
"Thunder in the Sky" at the Auburn (AUN) Airport on the weekend (fri.
night, sat.) of August 20,21. Nevada County (O17) has cancelled their
show this year so it should be huge. The EAA together with the AAA
(Auburn Aviation Assoc.) are putting on this event. I should be able
to find a spot for (free) for everyone to camp or stay. With an early
head count, we can group all the Avid/Kitfoxs together. Free entry if
you fly in. For more info please email me at: : stewinttdrs@mail.telis.org
<http://us.f214.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=stewinttdrs@mail.telis.org>
Event,airport and weather info at AAA's site:
http://auburnaviationassociation.org/
<http://auburnaviationassociation.org/>
Hope to meet a lot of you there.
Pierce Stewart
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Several questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
David I haven't built my plane but I have done alot of work/repairs on it as re-covering
etc... I am presently installing door cylinders and the gapbetween the
doors and frame aren't even close all around. I will be putting new lexan and
panel but I sure would like a better fit of the door in the frame. Nothing
is bent from accidents or anything it just wasn't bent right when built! Very
frustrating but I know it's far from being a piano! I guess sometimes I am to
fussy!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: Dcecil3@aol.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Several questions Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:31:51
EST -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Yea Lowell the Model
3 had a Multi holed flat tang at the rudder I assume for the same purpose.Had
a major setback
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
David I haven't built my plane but I have done alot of work/repairs on it as re-covering
etc... I am presently installing door cylinders and the gapbetween the
doors and frame aren't even close all around. I will be putting new lexan and
panel but I sure would like a better fit of the door in the frame. Nothing
is bent from accidents or anything it just wasn't bent right when built! Very
frustrating but I know it's far from being a piano! I guess sometimes I am to
fussy!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: Dcecil3@aol.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Several questions Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:31:51
EST -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Yea Lowell the Model
3 had a Multi holed flat tang at the rudder I assume for the same purpose.Had
a major setback here today the right hand door frame
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| Subject: | From another List..... California fly-in, August 20,21 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Don't know how the Yahoo link got there... the email should be
stewinttdrs@mail.telis.org
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
Subject: Kitfox-List: From another List..... California fly-in, August 20,21
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
This was posted on another list and thought I would put it up here.. Also,
Dont forget he Cameron Park Fly-in.. in June.
Hello Kitfox enthusiasts. I would like to invite all Kitfox members to
"Thunder in the Sky" at the Auburn (AUN) Airport on the weekend (fri.
night, sat.) of August 20,21. Nevada County (O17) has cancelled their
show this year so it should be huge. The EAA together with the AAA
(Auburn Aviation Assoc.) are putting on this event. I should be able
to find a spot for (free) for everyone to camp or stay. With an early
head count, we can group all the Avid/Kitfoxs together. Free entry if
you fly in. For more info please email me at: : stewinttdrs@mail.telis.org
<http://us.f214.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=stewinttdrs@mail.telis.org>
Event,airport and weather info at AAA's site:
http://auburnaviationassociation.org/
<http://auburnaviationassociation.org/>
Hope to meet a lot of you there.
Pierce Stewart
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Owners in Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Lost a great fishing rod in Smith Mountain Lake...Nice place. Last time
I was there was when I was a kid though. Got lost on the lake one
night. Couldn't see a thing. No moon out & no lights on the shore.
Took what seemed like forever to find our way back to the campsite.
From what you say, it sounds like it changed quite a bit....Jet Ski's
and all.
Anyway, next time you're down this way, let me know & I'll show you the
fox.
Ron
Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
>Thanks for the reply Ron. Was hoping for someone alittle closer. I used to
>live in Gaithersburg, MD So familiar with Manassas and Warrenton and I know
>there are a couple of foxes in the Chesapeake area. I was hoping to find one in
>southwest, VA. I'm in Franklin CO. about 6 MI. from Smith Mtn.Lake (540 Mi. of
>Shoreline) would make for a great floatplane site if it were not for the Nuts
>on the Jet skies. thanks for the offer though if I can't find any here I
>might make a day trip up to see yours
> Best David Cecil
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Owners in Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Are there any owners in the Roanoke area? I love to see one already
> built.I've only seen one up close and the owner was'ent around.It was at a
> Airstrip in
>
Have a series IV at Newport News Williamsburg Intl (PHF). Flying and ready.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
"POWERLink" is the division of Teledyne.
"FADEC" is generic
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> In my opinion anybody who's building a plane is entitled to use whatever
> they
> want, auto engines are fine for those that want to use them. I think
> Aircraft
> engines are designed specifically for the type useage they'll see in a
> plane.
> Auto engines aren't. But if somebody wants to do it, that's ceratinly their
> perogative.
>
> This list is so sensitive, it's hard to point anything out without people
> thinking it's just negative bashing. My point was just that auto engine's
> are
> not well designed for aircraft use.
>
> About Fade, well here's the link: http://www.fadec.com/index.html To the
> best
> of my ability to read, it says "A Division of Teledyne" ... :)
>
> Take Care,
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of daniel
> johnson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: experimenters
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
>
>
> "not to be critical" i love how everyone says that so i will too. I don't
> know who pioneered Fadec, but i know that my manual for the airliner i fly
> says a fadec is generic for full authority digital electronic controls. I
> don't think continental had anything to do with these units on this plane.
>
> Only reason i throw 2 cents in ....its really so frustrating that all of our
> experimenters can't tell the rest of the group about a project or idea
> without being replied to with a put-down or a one-up. I have a rotax on my
> k3...there was a time i wouldn't have flown behind one, but its a nice
> little engine now that its had some operating hours to grasp the bugs and
> the limitations. I know its not going to last 2000 hours...but that doesn't
> mean i'm going to run out and buy a continental.
>
> I'm not for or against concersions or "airplane engines"...i'll probably
> keep the rotax on the kitfox and finish my Corbin Ace with an 0-235.
> Point is i'd love to hear about what new ideas some of our guys have....just
> seems like the one-uppers and the put-downers can't wait to tell everyone
> else why the experimenter is wrong.
>
> Elbie said it right....theres room for all of it. It just seems like it'd
> be a whole lot better if the one-uppers and the put-downers could realize
> that just because you aren't interested in what another guy is
> doing...doesn't mean you have to go to guns on him. Some of us are
> listening...if you don't like it, don't do it.
>
> Dan Johnson....waitiing for the one-upper to correct my spelling so they
> feel more intelligent than me....have at it.
>
> >From: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
> >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:03:29 -0600
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> >
> >
> >Hey Elbie -
> >
> >Not to be critical, but Fadec is a division of Teledyne Continental.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engines
> >
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
> >
> >Not intended to flame anybody, this is just my opinion!
> >EAA stands for Experimental Aircraft Association, If it were not for
> >tinkers and those willing to experiment with new items, we would still be
> >flying in
> >OX-5 powered aircraft. Most of us "older" members remember when everybody
> >was
> >laughing at the snowmobile engines some kooks were putting in their
> >aircraft,
> > Now Rotax is fully certified and has FADEC for their engine! One lever
> >all
> >fully automated, prop, mixture etc. Lycoming & Continental are also
> >jumping
> >on the FADEC bandwagon.
> >Modern Lyc O-235, I have a Lycoming O-235 in my shop that was
> >manufactured
> >in 1946, same year as my Funk aircraft. I also like certificated engines,
> >but really appreciate those who try other things. Yesterday I spoke to a
> >man
> >who has been flying his aircraft with a Mazda engine, everybody says he is
> >crazy, however he does have over 1100 hours on his plane with his engine
> >conversion, much more than the average owner, and this is a Taylor Coot,
> >itself a rare
> >plane.
> >It takes all types to keep aviation progressing, there is room in this
> >great
> >hobby for all. I've flown behind P&W, Wright, Jacobs, Rolls Royce,
> >Continental, Lycoming, Rotax, and Honda recip. engines and a bunch of old
> >stuff. They
> >all got me up and down safely and wasn't worried at all in any of the
> >aircraft!
> > I will admit that the Honda really impressed me, and it was in a
> >~~~KitFox!
> >:-)
> >
> >Elbie
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
> Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | San Diego Kitfoxes? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Hi,
I'm looking to purchase a Kitfox but have never flown in one. Would anyone
in the San Diego area like to take me for a ride, or just show off their
aircraft? I'd love to see and hear about it.
Thanks,
Guy
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| Subject: | Movable rudder pedals - Was Several questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
For something like his IV where the cable attaches
just outside the pedal, what do you think about using
those multi-holed links, but using drilled bolts,
castle nuts and those same kind of pins we have on the
front spar clevis? Pull the pin, spin off the nut,
move the bolt and reengage. Done in a jiffy. Well,
maybe in two minutes total. Or you can do the same at
the rudder if you don't mind getting on your hands and
knees.
Kurt S.
--- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN"
> <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Ooops... I'm thinking in-flight adjustable... The
> links would definitely
> work on the IV.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
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| Subject: | Re: Ski testing day |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
See Michel,
You can do a simple altitude test and have fun, while
maybe saving the hard work for later. But the list
(sorry, I forgot who) was right. You need to test
with the vents open and the door open too, if you fly
that way. I suppose even in Norway, you could wait
until it got warm first though. :~)
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> >
> Kurt, as you can see, I did a low pass and checked
> my altimeter. Maybe 50 feet
> above my real altitude. I must have a slight
> underpressure at 70 MHP. I think
> I'll install a static port one day, but it is not my
> first priority.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Antennas and ground planes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
To the List,
I have been thinking about this antenna/ground plane
explaination today and thought I might make a stab at
it for those who want to know. Here goes...
Think about holding a long flexible rod vertically and
in the middle with your hand. If you shake the rod,
it will whip back and forth into an "S" shape.
Somewhere on that "S" will be a point where you have a
node or place that remains stationary. If you get your
shaking frequency just right, the node will occur at
the tips. Electrically, that is an antenna in tune to
the radio's frequency. At that frequency, the wave
length matches the antenna length.
If you move your hand to somewhere out of the middle
and shake the rod, you don't get a balanced "S" shape.
The rod fights you because it is matched to two
different frequencies, top and bottom. It is out of
tune and can't be tuned properly.
Now imagine cutting the rod off in half. Then shake
(not whip) the rod the same way you did before, but
from one end. Uggg! Hurts your wrist because the rod
is not in balance and you don't get that nice "S" wave
either. Electrically the same thing happens to your
transmitter. You have cut off the "ground plane".
Now mount one end of the 1/2 rod to some stationary
fixture. Shake it again just above the mount - like
getting apples out of a tree. It is harder, but you
can get the "S" wave to work on that 1/2 rod again.
That is like having the frame or the Earth as a ground
plane. It does work, but your transmitter is working
a little harder to make it happen.
For our comm and Nav radios, a "full wave" antenna
like the rod we started with, is over 6' long, top to
bottom. For the transponder it is only about 12"
long. To save space, antennas are made to 1/2 and 1/4
wave lengths. They electrically vibrate forming just
1/2 or 1/4 of that nice "S" shape wave. Still in
tune, but not as efficient.
If we shape the top or ground part differently from a
pole, we will make the antenna more directionally,
whether we want to or not! It will recieve and
transmit better in some directions than others.
Having 3 or more copper ribbons spread around a circle
as a ground plane would be pretty non doirectional.
the fuselage with its many tubes and many lengths bent
in all directions pretty much scatters the ground
wave, but it is still directional fore and aft.
Another thing. Radio is transmitted vertically and TV
is transmitted horizontally. The antennas must
directionally match the waves for best
transmission/reception. Verticle waves hitting a
horizontal antenna don't do much.
What do we do? Starting from a near perfect, over 6'
long, full wave comm antenna, where the bottom half is
the ground plane, we compromise to 1/4 wave length -
1/4 the length above and below your hand. The we cut
the length for the middle or average radio frequency
we use making all others a little out of tune. Then
cut off the bottom part and use the frame as ground,
which has rods sticking out in many directions and of
many lengths. No tuning there at all. Then we bend
the antenna out of the verticle and maybe make the
bend part way out along the length. Now shake that
and try to get a good "S" wave! That is the
resistance to working our transmitters see.
To make our radios weaker than they need to be, we
just compromise the "h" out of the antennas. Hand
helds are even worse. It is amazing they work at all.
Try to get a good "S" wave out of an antenna coiled
up around a pole with a metal box and battery as the
ground plane. :-0
But with a good antenna, the right frequency, and only
5 watts, Michael can talk to Canada from Norway!
Antennas, like props to engines, make a big difference
to how well our radios work.
So what did I do? I just bought a big 10 watt
transmitter and the cheapest antenna I could get....
But I did use a good ground plane. ;-)
Now was that fun?
Or, do not archive.
Kurt "S" A little out of tune. :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Antennas and ground planes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
Thanks to all of you for your advice on installing the
transponder/encoder/antenna/ground plane. I think this ought to be a snap
from here on out. All i have to do now is wait for the Brown Truck to
arrive and get it done...can't wait. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Dan Johnson. Columbus, Ohio
>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Antennas and ground planes
>Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:45:02 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>To the List,
>
>I have been thinking about this antenna/ground plane
>explaination today and thought I might make a stab at
>it for those who want to know. Here goes...
>
>Think about holding a long flexible rod vertically and
>in the middle with your hand. If you shake the rod,
>it will whip back and forth into an "S" shape.
>Somewhere on that "S" will be a point where you have a
>node or place that remains stationary. If you get your
>shaking frequency just right, the node will occur at
>the tips. Electrically, that is an antenna in tune to
>the radio's frequency. At that frequency, the wave
>length matches the antenna length.
>
>If you move your hand to somewhere out of the middle
>and shake the rod, you don't get a balanced "S" shape.
> The rod fights you because it is matched to two
>different frequencies, top and bottom. It is out of
>tune and can't be tuned properly.
>
>Now imagine cutting the rod off in half. Then shake
>(not whip) the rod the same way you did before, but
>from one end. Uggg! Hurts your wrist because the rod
>is not in balance and you don't get that nice "S" wave
>either. Electrically the same thing happens to your
>transmitter. You have cut off the "ground plane".
>
>Now mount one end of the 1/2 rod to some stationary
>fixture. Shake it again just above the mount - like
>getting apples out of a tree. It is harder, but you
>can get the "S" wave to work on that 1/2 rod again.
>That is like having the frame or the Earth as a ground
>plane. It does work, but your transmitter is working
>a little harder to make it happen.
>
>For our comm and Nav radios, a "full wave" antenna
>like the rod we started with, is over 6' long, top to
>bottom. For the transponder it is only about 12"
>long. To save space, antennas are made to 1/2 and 1/4
>wave lengths. They electrically vibrate forming just
>1/2 or 1/4 of that nice "S" shape wave. Still in
>tune, but not as efficient.
>
>If we shape the top or ground part differently from a
>pole, we will make the antenna more directionally,
>whether we want to or not! It will recieve and
>transmit better in some directions than others.
>Having 3 or more copper ribbons spread around a circle
>as a ground plane would be pretty non doirectional.
>the fuselage with its many tubes and many lengths bent
>in all directions pretty much scatters the ground
>wave, but it is still directional fore and aft.
>
>Another thing. Radio is transmitted vertically and TV
>is transmitted horizontally. The antennas must
>directionally match the waves for best
>transmission/reception. Verticle waves hitting a
>horizontal antenna don't do much.
>
>What do we do? Starting from a near perfect, over 6'
>long, full wave comm antenna, where the bottom half is
>the ground plane, we compromise to 1/4 wave length -
>1/4 the length above and below your hand. The we cut
>the length for the middle or average radio frequency
>we use making all others a little out of tune. Then
>cut off the bottom part and use the frame as ground,
>which has rods sticking out in many directions and of
>many lengths. No tuning there at all. Then we bend
>the antenna out of the verticle and maybe make the
>bend part way out along the length. Now shake that
>and try to get a good "S" wave! That is the
>resistance to working our transmitters see.
>
>To make our radios weaker than they need to be, we
>just compromise the "h" out of the antennas. Hand
>helds are even worse. It is amazing they work at all.
> Try to get a good "S" wave out of an antenna coiled
>up around a pole with a metal box and battery as the
>ground plane. :-0
>
>But with a good antenna, the right frequency, and only
>5 watts, Michael can talk to Canada from Norway!
>Antennas, like props to engines, make a big difference
>to how well our radios work.
>
>So what did I do? I just bought a big 10 watt
>transmitter and the cheapest antenna I could get....
>But I did use a good ground plane. ;-)
>
>Now was that fun?
>
>Or, do not archive.
>
>Kurt "S" A little out of tune. :-)
>
>__________________________________
>http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Note to First Time Builders!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Mark,
Yes, those comments get to me too. But one nice
comment came. The FAA inspector, who brought his
student inspectors to look at my plane, asked to fly
it when I was done with my testing! He very
professionally waited until all the paperwork was done
before asking. But I felt that he was purposely
showing an extra vote of trust and confidence with
that. Like, letting me know he wouldn't have signed
off on something he would fly himself.
Kurt S.
--- Mark Scott <scottm@dol.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Scott"
> <scottm@dol.net>
>
> So you get that too huh?! Man that annoys the crap
> out of me when people
> say that stuff. My wife likes to tell her friends
> and coworkers that we
> have an airplane in the garage, despite me asking
> her not to. To a person
> every one of them has had something to say along the
> lines of "I would never
> fly in that!" or "You're crazy" or some other
> negative comment. Next time
> I'm gonna say, 'I wouldn't fly in anything you've
> built either!'
> Mark Scott
> Elkton, MD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Found a few sites to look at for car top carriers.
You might like one here, though most tend to be quite
long.
<http://www.a1-autoracks.com/>
<http://www.a1-autoracks.com/thule-680-north-cape-cargo.html>
They also have graphics for keeping the heat off your
heads in the plane.
<http://www.a1-autoracks.com/glasscapes-graphics.html>
Kurt S.
--- Steve M <ondeck355@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't looked, Bob. I just see them on cars a lot
> around here (San
> Diego), and theought the one might fit well under my
> Model 2.
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