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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Ellison (Bruce Lina)
3. 04:12 AM - Re: Ellison (Bruce Lina)
4. 04:21 AM - Re: Ellison (Bruce Lina)
5. 04:35 AM - Re: auto gas (Ramperf@aol.com)
6. 04:57 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi (michel)
7. 05:10 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there (michel)
8. 05:46 AM - Re: Hauling Wings (Dave Savener)
9. 06:29 AM - Modified exhausts (582 and 618) (Patricia Truter)
10. 07:01 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
12. 08:13 AM - Series 5 912 baffle photos (Kerry Skyring)
13. 10:44 AM - Re: Hauling Wings (Rod Ewing)
14. 11:02 AM - List Email Long Delay's (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
15. 11:38 AM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (Don Pearsall)
16. 11:46 AM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (Don Pearsall)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (Michel Verheughe)
18. 11:56 AM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (Steve Cooper)
19. 12:00 PM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
20. 03:32 PM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (torgemor)
21. 03:35 PM - Ellison Throttle (Scott McClintock)
22. 03:51 PM - Texas Heaven (Scott McClintock)
23. 04:19 PM - Re: List Email Long Delay's (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
24. 04:29 PM - Re: Texas Heaven (Dave Savener)
25. 04:40 PM - Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install (Jim Burke)
26. 05:29 PM - Re: Series 5 912 baffle photos (John E. King)
27. 05:41 PM - Small Plane Lands on Pickup (John E. King)
28. 06:16 PM - Re: Hauling Wings (Rod Ewing)
29. 06:26 PM - Careful out there (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
30. 07:33 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle (NSI AERO)
31. 09:37 PM - Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912 (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
32. 10:17 PM - Re: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912 (Steve Cooper)
33. 10:33 PM - Re: Modified exhausts (582 and 618) (Patricia Truter)
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
In a message dated 3/14/2004 8:07:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RiteAngle3@aol.com writes:
Many aircraft put gear extensions to place the wheels forward to get a
longer tail arm to make less likely to nose over with hard braking & other
considerations. Cessna 140's have this on many of them. On a Beech D-18 &
DC-3 the
CG will make a big difference in how fast the tail comes up, same on any
airplane.
Elbie
old CFI
Hello Elbie,
While the above is absolutely true, consider this word of caution: The
farther the wheel axles are moved forward of CG the more arm (and weight) is on
the
tail. On the ground, the aircraft tends to be more and more like a
wheelbarrow as the axles are moved forward. What is wrong with that, some may
ask?
Try filling a wheelbarrow with bricks and run down the street with it. If
the wheelbarrow's wheel were at the CG of the load, it would handle most any
change in direction easily at any speed, but, put the wheel in the normal way up
front position, and disaster awaits the slightest attempt to change direction.
Few wheelbarrow pilots have ever suffered an unintentional nose over with a
wheelbarrow but, many have ground looped one!
I once built a large RC model to haul a camera. The fuselage was wide and
tall to house a 35 mm camera with a motor winder. I had enough NiCads on board
to power a small city. This monster was heavy! A tail dragger design, I
modified the cabin floor to accommodate a turret that hung down between the main
gear's area. I moved the gear forward about 8". The whole ship was 6' long
with an 8' wing span.
She handled fantastic on the ground taxiing around at low speed! But, as
soon as a takeoff run was attempted I had to hang onto and ride that rudder! Wow
what a handful! Just before ground break, she would test your rudder skills.
The slightest change in direction near flying speed would tempt about 90% of
her total weight to come around front and smile at ya! :
)
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> If there is anyone out there using an Ellison TBI unit, I would be
very interested in seeing how you handled your cable hook-up for the
throttle and mixture. The cable that I got from ACS has a much longer
"throw" than necessary for the EFS-2. From zero to full throttle, the arm
on the Ellison only moves 1-1/8". This is rather short, so maybe somebody
used a linkage to increase the "throw" for less touchy throttle control.
Thanks
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> If there is anyone out there using an Ellison TBI unit, I would be
very interested in seeing how you handled your cable hook-up for the
throttle and mixture. The cable that I got from ACS has a much longer
"throw" than necessary for the EFS-2. From zero to full throttle, the arm
on the Ellison only moves 1-1/8". This is rather short, so maybe somebody
used a linkage to increase the "throw" for less touchy throttle control.
Thanks
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Bill, I had a similar problem on my series5 IO240 throttle. I beieve the
throw was initially in the 1 3/4inch range but I was after at least 3
inches. I achieved this longer throw by making an extension for the stock
throttle body arm and achieved the 3 inch throw . Bruce---- Original
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From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> If there is anyone out there using an Ellison TBI unit, I would be
very interested in seeing how you handled your cable hook-up for the
throttle and mixture. The cable that I got from ACS has a much longer
"throw" than necessary for the EFS-2. From zero to full throttle, the arm
on the Ellison only moves 1-1/8". This is rather short, so maybe somebody
used a linkage to increase the "throw" for less touchy throttle control.
Thanks
> Bill
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
Tex
I don't know your route but there's a nice little feild in Wadsworth and
one in Medina
Ron
Ohio
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>thank you for the feedback Michel. My tail weighs exactly the same thing.
>Ya, 25 on the dot. So, I guess my plane is normal then. Thanks,
... and if not, we start a new list called: The Mutant Heavy Tail Kitfox List,
Steve! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tail Up Taxi Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From RiteAngle3@aol.com =====
>This is a true statement, however I've seen quite a few planes upside down
>by trying to save a couple seconds taxi time.
I agree, Elbie. I once taxied on two wheels in a fair headwind and I nearly
became airborne before I realized it.
I advocate slow progressive training. No body-builder started lifting 100 lbs
the first day, it is something you do progressively otherwise you'll tear
something.
I think that, learning to know your plane, little by little, is one good
thing. Then, when the situation requires it, you'll know what to expect. One
thing, though: I NEVER test my skills on the plane when I have a passenger.
With someone else beside me, I try to behave like an airliner's pilot: as
smooth a ride as possible, for the comfort and safety of my passenger.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Hauling Wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
I just moved Model II wings two days ago, 50 miles in Central Texas. I
built a cradle to store my wings in my old crowded hanger. I sat the cradle
on a single axle flat bed trailer with light springs. The wings were on
edge, leading edge down. I put extra weight on the trailer to make it ride
better. Tool boxes, long 2X12s, etc. I drove slow and slowed down for RR
tracks etc. NO problesms.
I'll send pictures if I can find my digital camera in that mess. The wings
are big enough to stick out above the junk I moved, so I know where they
are. I'll send pictures of my cradle soon.
I have a beautiful new hanger for all my boats, airplanes, toys, etc.
Here is a link for my new heaven.
http://hillcountryflyer.com/property.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hauling Wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am about to haul a pair of Model IV wings about 60 miles. The wings are
in silver. The flaperons have not been installed yet. I own a 16 ft tandem
axle flat bed trailer but with light loads it tends to ride a bit stiff or
I can rent a U-haul truck. Can I lay the wings flat on foam rubber or
should I build wing cradles to support their weight on the leading edges?
Does anyone have pictures of wing cradles? I know there must be some do's
and don'ts. I look to your experience and comments.
>
> Thankyou!
> Rod Ewing
> Wasilla, Alaska
> Classic IV-582 under construction
>
>
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| Subject: | Modified exhausts (582 and 618) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Patricia Truter" <PTruter@csir.co.za>
I have uploaded the pictures of our modified exhausts (we have kept the
original/specified exhaust lengths) to fit in KitFox II cowls.
Regards
Patricia
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl
Category: Add-Ons/Modifications
Description: Pics of modified exhausts (582 and 618)
Title: Modified Exhaust (618 and 582)
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
It Worked ~~ Good Comments John ~~ That was the purpose, think about the
results prior to making changes! Moving the gear is best left to the engineers.
A little goes a long long way. A ground loop while not normally hazardous to
your health can be quite damaging to your wallet and never good for your ego
if the hangar flyers are watching!
Elbie
******
The farther the wheel axles are moved forward of CG the more arm (and weight)
is on the tail.
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| Subject: | Tail Up Taxi Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi -
Speed isn't so much neccesary to lift the tail, just airflow. I
find with mine that I can power the tail up stationary (brakes
applied), and then can ease off the brakes into a taxi once the
tail comes up.
You have to remember that once the tail is up the balance point
moves rearward as the plane pivots up on the gear. So once the
tail lifts up, it's not so hard to keep the tail up (i.e. less
lift required, as the balance point moves back). Just be carefull
not to go to far over center. :)
You also need to use brakes a bit, to keep the speed low, otherwise
you will end up fast taxiing.
To demonstrate how this works, just go lift up the tail on your Fox,
and certainly the higher it goes, the lighter it gets as the gear
angle changes underneath.
25G45K +TSRA would be a bad Metar for the day you do this the first
time.
Jeff
Original Message:
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From: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Up Taxi Careful out there
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
This morning I was practicing tail up taxi. It gets you down the road a lot
faster.
***************
>>>This is a true statement, however I've seen quite a few planes upside
down
by trying to save a couple seconds taxi time. In fact I have an article
about ready to send in to magazines on this practice which is based on an
actual
case and my own experiences in over a thousand hours instructing & flying
taildraggers.
Remember this fact: IF you have a 15 mph headwind you must get an airspeed
where the airflow will lift the tail, you taxi with the tail up then turn
around you will have 30 mph more groundspeed to get the tail up, and you
will have
no airflow over the tail surfaces when downwind from the time you are at
15mph
groundspeed till you stop so you better have darn good brakes, and don't
hit
them hard!
20 mph airflow to raise the tail
15 mph headwind
20 mph - 15 mph = 5 mph groundspeed to get tail up
15 mph tailwind
20 mph + 15 mph = 35 mph groundspeed to get tail up! & first 15 have no
aerodynamic control except propblast!
Many aircraft put gear extensions to place the wheels forward to get a
longer tail arm to make less likely to nose over with hard braking & other
considerations. Cessna 140's have this on many of them. On a Beech D-18 &
DC-3 the
CG will make a big difference in how fast the tail comes up, same on any
airplane.
Elbie
old CFI
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| Subject: | Series 5 912 baffle photos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Someone on the list kindly forwarded me photos of John Kings Rotax 912
radiator
baffling. In a frenzy of cleaning out my mail box I appear to have deleted
it.
Can they be sent again? Many thanks.
Kerry
PS we tackled this job on the weekend and just about have it figured but
the pics will confirm that we have it right.
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| Subject: | Re: Hauling Wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
Steve,
Thank you for your help. I am off to get some foam and reserve the U-haul.
Rod
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hauling Wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Rod. I have transported several aircraft and the way I like to do the
> wings is with a U-Haul van. I put foam on the floor curved up against the
> side walls I set the wings down on the leading edge on the foam and strap
> them to the walls of the van. 60 miles won't cost you much for the van and
> you can be assured that the wings will get to their destination in good
> shape.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hauling Wings
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am about to haul a pair of Model IV wings about 60 miles. The wings
are
> in silver. The flaperons have not been installed yet. I own a 16 ft
tandem
> axle flat bed trailer but with light loads it tends to ride a bit stiff or
> I can rent a U-haul truck. Can I lay the wings flat on foam rubber or
> should I build wing cradles to support their weight on the leading edges?
> Does anyone have pictures of wing cradles? I know there must be some do's
> and don'ts. I look to your experience and comments.
> >
> > Thankyou!
> > Rod Ewing
> > Wasilla, Alaska
> > Classic IV-582 under construction
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
List Admin -
How come list messages show up in the web browser quite significantly
sooner than in email?
I can send myself an email from another email system, and it shows up
immediately, but email from the list takes sometimes hours?
Jeff
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| Subject: | List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Jeff, I think the mail may be delayed a little by the Matronics email
manager. I don't know if there is a built-in delay or not. I have noticed on
many lists that I post to that my posts sometimes get delayed for hours, so
it is not just the KF list.
If it becomes a problem, try writing to Matt Dralle at dralle@matronics.com.
Don Pearsall
Admin.
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| Subject: | List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Just as a follow-up, the last message I wrote only took 2 minutes to come
back to my email via the KF list.
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote:
> I can send myself an email from another email system, and it shows up
> immediately, but email from the list takes sometimes hours?
Without wanting to supersede the authority of this honourable list's
administrators, I'll answer as being myself an old internet user:
- It's a jungle out there, Jeff!
The Web is a misleading name because you will find all kinds of weird animals
in it, not only cute spiders. Nothing special with this list or Matronics, I
have seen this on many list, forum or newsgroup. I have seen emails gone from
the surface of the earth for days, if not weeks. Intergalactic wormholes?
Islamic hijacking? Abduction in flying saucers? Your guess is as good as mine.
Still, this is a wonderful tool as we become a global family. Imagine, little
me, in little Norway, discussing with the world. Wow! Sometimes I have to pinch
myself to be sure I am not dreaming. So, if our posting is sometimes a bit
late, who cares? One century ago, my answer would have probably taken months to
reach you. :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
HEY! Now don't get yer nickers in a twist and be criticizing the list Bubu.
We've got hard work'in folks behind the curtain mak'in sure every little
thing is A-OK. ;)
Steve
PS. Anyone in California using Chevron Supreme? I think I'm having a
problem with their "summer blend". I fouled out two plugs yesterday.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: List Email Long Delay's
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> List Admin -
>
> How come list messages show up in the web browser quite significantly
> sooner than in email?
>
> I can send myself an email from another email system, and it shows up
> immediately, but email from the list takes sometimes hours?
>
> Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi Don -
Thanks. Interestingly if I look at the mail recv'd from the list in my
mailbox for the day today, it does not match that in the matronics
browser (at this moment) ... Some are missing. Curious to see if they
all arrive later.
Jeff
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From: Don Pearsall donpearsall@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: List Email Long Delay's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Jeff, I think the mail may be delayed a little by the Matronics email
manager. I don't know if there is a built-in delay or not. I have noticed on
many lists that I post to that my posts sometimes get delayed for hours, so
it is not just the KF list.
If it becomes a problem, try writing to Matt Dralle at dralle@matronics.com.
Don Pearsall
Admin.
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| Subject: | List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
Can confirm tihs very much,
Yesterday I sent two replies, only one came through so far..
This one is replyed from the hotel..
Greetings from Sweden.
Torgeir.
>===== Original Message From "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
=====
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
>List Admin -
>
>How come list messages show up in the web browser quite significantly
>sooner than in email?
>
>I can send myself an email from another email system, and it shows up
>immediately, but email from the list takes sometimes hours?
>
>Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I have the Ellison on my NSI EA81. They solved the short travel
sensitivity
by supplying a vernier type throttle cable assembly..........
Ditto that, Steve.
I have the same setup with my NSI EA-81. Only one caution I would offer
is
That you cannot "stab" the throttle without running the possibility of
killing the engine. (YIKES!!)
This might cause you some serious soiled shorts especially if you don't
have your prop trimmed
correctly for TO.
Scott in Nome
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
<dsavener@austin.rr.com>
I just moved Model II wings two days ago, 50 miles in Central Texas.....
Dave,
I'm jealous.....Really!! What a beautiful spot and super price.
I'm looking for a semi retirement "heaven" such as your find near Corpus
Christi.
Let me know if you hear of such an animal.
The winters are getting too darned long (and cold) way up here. Mama is
suffering from cabin (Igloo) fever
and my buddies in Corpus are no help.
Mama says I should rename the "Arctic Fox" to "Beach Bum".
She forgets about the big thunder boomers, tornados and occasional
hurricane me thinks.
Scott in Nome
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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"RE: Kitfox-List: List Email Long Delay's" (Mar 15, 3:49pm)
| Subject: | List Email Long Delay's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Dear listers,
As some of you have pointed out, there were some rather long delays in
List postings this weekend. I was moving and rewiring the computer
room and had the server down for a while. There was quite a backlog
of pending posts that took a while to purge. Seems like things are back
to normal now with posts coming in the usual amount of time.
With regard to the messages showing up in the List Browse before they
show up in the email, the List Browse is updated every 30 minutes with
the latest posts. Depending on where you are in the list of email
addresses on the given list, it takes a while for the system to deliver
a given message to all of the addresses. The more bad addresses there
are, the longer it takes to deliver a given post because the mailer has
to wait for the connection to timeout. This is why I run the Email
Weasel once a month. It purges all of the bogus emails that can
considerably slow down the delivery time of posts.
Your Matronics List Admin,
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Heaven |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
Scott,
I looked at a real nice place with a Nice looking hanger, three bedroom home
on nine or ten acres with a grass runway, Nice fences around it. Sharp!
It seemed that the price was attractive. It is out in the country Southeast
of New Braunfels, TX. just a few miles from I-10(Houston to San Antonio)
It was several weeks ago. I wanted to be near the Highland Lakes, so I
didn't pursue it. I can get more information if anyone is interested.
PS I moved to Central Texas in 1980 to escape winter and those Nebraska
winds and have never looked back.
Dave
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Texas Heaven
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener"
> <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
>
> I just moved Model II wings two days ago, 50 miles in Central Texas.....
>
> Dave,
> I'm jealous.....Really!! What a beautiful spot and super price.
> I'm looking for a semi retirement "heaven" such as your find near Corpus
> Christi.
> Let me know if you hear of such an animal.
>
> The winters are getting too darned long (and cold) way up here. Mama is
> suffering from cabin (Igloo) fever
> and my buddies in Corpus are no help.
> Mama says I should rename the "Arctic Fox" to "Beach Bum".
> She forgets about the big thunder boomers, tornados and occasional
> hurricane me thinks.
>
> Scott in Nome
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I have just completed installing a HAC system on my 582, for those that
would be interested I have posted pictures on Sportflight.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader
pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/Modifications
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 912 baffle photos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Kerry,
Four pictures of the radiator cowl are on the SportFlight web site.
This is the direct link:
<http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1059091684>
If you want more pictures I can send them to you directly.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Kerry Skyring wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Someone on the list kindly forwarded me photos of John Kings Rotax 912
>radiator
>baffling. In a frenzy of cleaning out my mail box I appear to have deleted
>it.
>Can they be sent again? Many thanks.
>Kerry
>PS we tackled this job on the weekend and just about have it figured but
>the pics will confirm that we have it right.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Small Plane Lands on Pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
To the List:
You think you had a bad day. Interesting landing.
EDGEWATER, Fla. (AP) - A small plane made an emergency landing on top of a
moving pickup, leaving the truck driver wondering if he should have checked
his blind spot in the sky. No one was seriously injured in the incident outside
of Daytona Beach, police said.
Glenn M. Meleen, 23, realized his single-engine plane was having problems
just after he took off Saturday. Meleen dropped the banner that the plane
was towing and tried to land on a two-lane road, Edgewater police Sgt.
William Lenz said.
Instead, the plane came down on the cab of Robert Oglesby's pickup.
``There were no cars coming left or right, but I didn't see any plane,''
said Oglesby, 61. ``I didn't look into the sky.''
The truck's roof caved in and shattered glass sprayed inside the vehicle,
but Oglesby escaped from the flattened truck with only minor cuts. Meleen, a
student at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, was not injured.
Do Not Archive
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Hauling Wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
Dave,
Thank you, I look forward to the cradle pictures. Once I get the wings
home I will need to build a cradle for safe storage. Your place in central
Texas looks inviting......I have to agree with Scott....winter here does
seem to be getting longer...... Snow from Oct to April is becoming a bit
much....thank goodness for what I call "Arctic Amnesia"....... on that fist
warm....long...sunny day of spring.....we forget all about the past winter
weather and a week later..... we start bitchin bout the skeeters. I've
been here thirty-two years and it never fails.... each fall someone will
call and say ..."the lake froze last night, gonna be a hard winter".....then
in the winter they'll call saying.. ...."had thirty-five below at the house
this morning, supposed to be colder tomorrow"......and then in the
spring.....that same person will call and say...." damn mosquitos are
out"...but the call I hate the most.....comes in mid July....." did ya
notice the days are gettin shorter and the nights a bit cooler?" makes a
fella wanna disconnect his phone...
but I love it here .....just need some cheese with my WHINE !
Rod
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hauling Wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Savener" <dsavener@austin.rr.com>
>
> I just moved Model II wings two days ago, 50 miles in Central Texas. I
> built a cradle to store my wings in my old crowded hanger. I sat the
cradle
> on a single axle flat bed trailer with light springs. The wings were on
> edge, leading edge down. I put extra weight on the trailer to make it
ride
> better. Tool boxes, long 2X12s, etc. I drove slow and slowed down for RR
> tracks etc. NO problesms.
>
> I'll send pictures if I can find my digital camera in that mess. The
wings
> are big enough to stick out above the junk I moved, so I know where they
> are. I'll send pictures of my cradle soon.
>
> I have a beautiful new hanger for all my boats, airplanes, toys, etc.
>
> Here is a link for my new heaven.
> http://hillcountryflyer.com/property.htm
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hauling Wings
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am about to haul a pair of Model IV wings about 60 miles. The wings
are
> in silver. The flaperons have not been installed yet. I own a 16 ft
tandem
> axle flat bed trailer but with light loads it tends to ride a bit stiff or
> I can rent a U-haul truck. Can I lay the wings flat on foam rubber or
> should I build wing cradles to support their weight on the leading edges?
> Does anyone have pictures of wing cradles? I know there must be some do's
> and don'ts. I look to your experience and comments.
> >
> > Thankyou!
> > Rod Ewing
> > Wasilla, Alaska
> > Classic IV-582 under construction
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Hi -
Speed isn't so much neccesary to lift the tail, just airflow. I
find with mine that I can power the tail up stationary (brakes
applied), and then can ease off the brakes into a taxi once the
tail comes up.
*********************
To all, I don't want to say I told you so, please be careful!!
Please don't try it with a 15kt tailwind! Doesn't' work that way in real
life with tailwind, have seen two up on nose and one upside down trying to look
cool taxiing with tail up downwind. Careful out there! It can get expensive,
props aren't cheap! if a metal prop on asphalt crankshafts aren't cheap
either.
Elbie
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hello Scott,
To prevent your engine from stalling on rapid throttle movement, richen up
your low speed fuel mixture by turning the mixture screw needle an 1/8 of a
turn counter-clockwise. Your engine should not stall on rapid acceleration
or deceleration. Also, set your engine for 1350 to 1400 RPM idle with a
light prop pitch, say about 10 to 12 degrees.
Lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
McClintock
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
--> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I have the Ellison on my NSI EA81. They solved the short travel sensitivity
by supplying a vernier type throttle cable assembly..........
Ditto that, Steve.
I have the same setup with my NSI EA-81. Only one caution I would offer is
That you cannot "stab" the throttle without running the possibility of
killing the engine. (YIKES!!) This might cause you some serious soiled
shorts especially if you don't have your prop trimmed correctly for TO.
Scott in Nome
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
Thanks to all the list members who responded to my recent question about ethanol
in mogas for use in Kitfoxes. This posting is a short summary on what I think
I learned, please correct any thoughts if in error.
I have a Kitfox M4 with a 912 Rotax built in the 92-94 years, and California
as of 1/1/04 went to using 5.7% ethanol in mogas after phasing out MTBE.
1. Lockwood Aviation- indicated up to 10% ethanol in mogas is OK for the 912.
2. My main concern was regarding the use of gasahol was the softening and subsequent
leaking of fiberglas/epoxy wing tanks in kitfoxes. I have heard some horror
stories about the gasahol mixture softening the epoxy joints in a poorly
sloshed/sealed A/C tank. This in turn can cause delamination of the tank fuel
sealant and possibly epoxy joints resulting in leaking tanks and possibly sealant
plugged fuel lines.
3. Kitfox said just looking into the tanks with a flashlight to verify the tank
sealant is in good shape is usually all that is needed. Some fox owners however
have removed wings from kitfoxes, used MEK to remove old tank sealant and
then sloshed new sealant in the tanks to better resist gasahol.
The list responses were inconclusive so I don't know how seriously to take this
concern so if I may a couple of specific questions.
1. How many Kitfoxes use gasahol, (95%gas/5%ethanol) in their fuel tanks?
2. Have any of these gasahol users had tanks leak/sealant erosion?
3. Is this issue real or overblown?
Since gasahol is the only kind of fuel availabe in CA now other than 100LL aircraft
fuel, I'm trying to decide whether to keep flying with gasahol or to switch
over to 100LL and deal with the lead fouling issue in Rotax 912. I'm not sure
the information warrants wing removal/resealing the fuel tanks at this point.
Any thoughts???
Thanks
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Today I switched over to 100 LL for my Avid Mark IV/Jabiru. My engine
couldn't take the California Summer blend Chevron Supreme...and guess
what...100LL was cheaper by .10 cents a gallon over the Mogas.
I fouled out a cylinder yesterday on the mogas.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer"
<cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
>
> Thanks to all the list members who responded to my recent question about
ethanol in mogas for use in Kitfoxes. This posting is a short summary on
what I think I learned, please correct any thoughts if in error.
>
> I have a Kitfox M4 with a 912 Rotax built in the 92-94 years, and
California as of 1/1/04 went to using 5.7% ethanol in mogas after phasing
out MTBE.
>
> 1. Lockwood Aviation- indicated up to 10% ethanol in mogas is OK for the
912.
> 2. My main concern was regarding the use of gasahol was the softening and
subsequent leaking of fiberglas/epoxy wing tanks in kitfoxes. I have heard
some horror stories about the gasahol mixture softening the epoxy joints in
a poorly sloshed/sealed A/C tank. This in turn can cause delamination of
the tank fuel sealant and possibly epoxy joints resulting in leaking tanks
and possibly sealant plugged fuel lines.
> 3. Kitfox said just looking into the tanks with a flashlight to verify
the tank sealant is in good shape is usually all that is needed. Some fox
owners however have removed wings from kitfoxes, used MEK to remove old tank
sealant and then sloshed new sealant in the tanks to better resist gasahol.
>
> The list responses were inconclusive so I don't know how seriously to take
this concern so if I may a couple of specific questions.
> 1. How many Kitfoxes use gasahol, (95%gas/5%ethanol) in their fuel tanks?
> 2. Have any of these gasahol users had tanks leak/sealant erosion?
> 3. Is this issue real or overblown?
>
> Since gasahol is the only kind of fuel availabe in CA now other than 100LL
aircraft fuel, I'm trying to decide whether to keep flying with gasahol or
to switch over to 100LL and deal with the lead fouling issue in Rotax 912.
I'm not sure the information warrants wing removal/resealing the fuel tanks
at this point.
>
> Any thoughts???
> Thanks
> Chuck
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Modified exhausts (582 and 618) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Patricia Truter" <PTruter@csir.co.za>
The correct link to the pictures:
Category: Add-Ons/Modifications
Description: Pics of modified exhausts (582 and 618)
Title: Modified Exhaust (618 and 582)
http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/Xhos.pdf
Patricia
>>> PTruter@csir.co.za 2004-03-15 >>>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Patricia Truter" <
PTruter@csir.co.za >
I have uploaded the pictures of our modified exhausts (we have kept
the
original/specified exhaust lengths) to fit in KitFox II cowls.
Regards
Patricia
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl
Category: Add-Ons/Modifications
Description: Pics of modified exhausts (582 and 618)
Title: Modified Exhaust (618 and 582)
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