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1. 04:52 AM - Re: fuel valve (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Careful out there (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
3. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Careful out there (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
4. 08:55 AM - Series 5 912 baffle photos (David Estapa)
5. 09:32 AM - Arctic Amnesia (Where am I?) (Scott McClintock)
6. 09:46 AM - Ellison Throttle (Scott McClintock)
7. 09:57 AM - IO-240B Builders Reference (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
8. 10:36 AM - Re: IO-240B Builders Reference (Michel Verheughe)
9. 11:09 AM - Re: IO-240B Builders Reference (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
10. 12:13 PM - Re: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912 (Steve Cooper)
11. 12:37 PM - For all the world to see.............. (hausding, sid)
12. 02:29 PM - Re: fuel valve (Bill Pleso)
13. 04:09 PM - Re: IO-240B Builders Reference (VFT@aol.com)
14. 05:12 PM - Re: Series 5 912 baffle photos (John E. King)
15. 06:43 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
16. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install (Glenn Horne)
17. 09:50 PM - Re: fuel valve (Clint Bazzill)
18. 11:57 PM - A question about intercom plugs (michel)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
My kitfox is a 1994 model. The fuel valve is leaking & I need a
replacement. The type I have is not rebuildable. It is located under the
dash, in a round housing, with rubber fuel lines swaged into the fuel
valve body. The rubber fuel lines connect to aluminium fuel lines with AN
fittings. I Was wondering what other kitfox owners replaced these valves
with when they began to leak. Is there another valve that I can connect to
the aluminium fuel line without having to change things around. regards
Julian Lynn.
Julian,
I have always used a common ball and seat valve found at Home Depot and
most places like that. They have a brass body about 2 inches long with a
handle that rotates 90 degrees (on/off). The valves are ball and seat construction
and haven't leaked yet. I also had one on each wing tank for a while. The
valves are designed so a barbed fitting can screw into each end for rubber
lines. Cost about $3.00. each. The one I have before me is by B&K and marked
WOG
(Water/Oil/Gas). The inner construction of this valve is a stainless steel
ball that seats on two (input/output) nylon seats.
One of the original valves supplied by Skystar had some problems other
than leaking. The body is a brown plastic type material where the inner part
rotates to open the flow. Around the hole is an "O" ring that has been known to
tear and clog the fuel line. It sounds like you might have this old type
valve. IMHO, this valve is an accident looking for a place to happen. Leaking
is the minor problem. The old valve was discussed at length several years ago.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi Elbie -
Hey I don't think anywhere in the thread anybody was suggesting to
do that (tail up with a tailwind). I think it was mostly just a
discussion about tail up taxiing in general. I think it's pretty
obvious that doing this in a tailwind is not such a great idea.
I think Michel, etc. have some good points as well, because they're
flying with ski's
It's also a good idea to practice on grass also, since you don't
have the problem of building up speed so rapidly as on asphalt.
But like learning to ride a wheelie on a motorcycle, you go into it
knowing full well that you could end up on your butt ... And that
it might hurt. :)
Regards,
Jeff.
*********************
To all, I don't want to say I told you so, please be careful!!
Please don't try it with a 15kt tailwind! Doesn't' work that way in real
life with tailwind, have seen two up on nose and one upside down trying to
look
cool taxiing with tail up downwind. Careful out there! It can get
expensive,
props aren't cheap! if a metal prop on asphalt crankshafts aren't cheap
either.
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| Subject: | Re: Careful out there |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Jeff,
I sure wasn't pointing fingers, just trying to get pilots to think before
acting. You would be amazed what I've seen in over 40 years at airports! The
one that ended up on its back was a CFI & student:-( ~~Don't think he works
there any more! His excuse was he was teaching the student how to save time on
the hobbs! Pretty expensive lesson for him.
Elbie
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| Subject: | Series 5 912 baffle photos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
I forwarded Kerry's message to list because it came to me direct and he's
asking a question to the list.
David Estapa
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Series 5 912 baffle photos
Dave thanks for the photos. I have saved them this time. And thanks
John King as well.
We are also missing P/N 42923.00 heat shield. This appears to be an
aluminium piece, triangle in shape, which fits between the muffler
and gascolator - apparently to stop heat getting to the gascolator
and vaporising fuel. John obviously has his gascolator somewhere
else.
My guess is that it has a lip on the two sides which touch the
radiator baffle and is riveted to the baffle but not to the
firewall. Can anyone shed any light?
Kerry
>
>Kerry, I was the one who sent the pics. from John King. See attached. I
>figured out the baffling with John's pics. Now I'm "Baffled" about the
>P/N 42923.00 heat shield that is in paragraph 67 & 68 on page 35. I
>can't find it in my parts and can't figure it out from the directions.
>Any ideas?
>
>David Estapa
>Woodstock, GA
>S5 N97DE (Final Assembly)
>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:13:31 +0100 "Kerry Skyring"
><kerryskyring@hotmail.com> writes:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> > <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Someone on the list kindly forwarded me photos of John Kings Rotax
> > 912
> > radiator
> > baffling. In a frenzy of cleaning out my mail box I appear to have
> > deleted
> > it.
> > Can they be sent again? Many thanks.
> > Kerry
> > PS we tackled this job on the weekend and just about have it figured
> > but
> > the pics will confirm that we have it right.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
><< Series6Radiator4.JPG >>
><< 912SBaffle1.JPG >>
><< 912SBaffle2.JPG >>
><< Series6Radiator3.JPG >>
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| Subject: | Arctic Amnesia (Where am I?) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rod Ewing" <rode@alaska.com>
.....I have to agree with Scott....winter here does
seem to be getting longer...... Snow from Oct to April is becoming a bit
much....thank goodness for what I call "Arctic Amnesia".......
Rod,
The mushers will be leaving White Mountain beginning at 12:30 this
afternoon....headed for Nome.
They should be here sometime late tonight. (Let the parties begin!)
As I am a Land Surveyor the 'skeeters are of particular "interest" to
me. (Let's not forget the no-see-ums
and the white-socks, my particular "favorite")
The only place I've been that rivals the 'skeeters of Alaska are those
in Texas, especially S. Texas!
One thing you failed to mention was that just before break-up one needs
to get out
to the dog area and scoop up all the frozen poop before it turns to
stinky brown goo.
Good luck with the wings. Where are you moving them to?
Are you near FAI and are you aware of the military
NOTAM this June. They will be jamming the GPS for about two weeks.
What's up with that?
If you haven't heard about this I can forward you the info and map.
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hello Scott,
To prevent your engine from stalling on rapid throttle
movement,.........
Thanks Lance,
I'll adjust as you recommend. I'll be doing my annual inspection the end
of this month.
Your advice is timely.
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | IO-240B Builders Reference |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I have amassed quite a few pics between my own, and Bruce Lina's
IO-240B installations. I'm going to put a section out there on
my website as an IO-240B builder's reference. I'm looking for
IO-240B builder's out there who want to contribute, either text
based tech notes, or pics. My website is at:
http://www.aselia.com/jshays/outback.htm
Contact me at jeff.hays@aselia.com
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: IO-240B Builders Reference |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote:
> http://www.aselia.com/jshays/outback.htm
Very nice Web design, Jeff! Congratulations!
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: IO-240B Builders Reference |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Takk!
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michel Verheughe michel@online.no
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IO-240B Builders Reference
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote:
> http://www.aselia.com/jshays/outback.htm
Very nice Web design, Jeff! Congratulations!
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I went flying this morning. My Jabiru started easier, throttle transition
was smoother, no plug fowling and when I shut the engine down it stopped
smoothly.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Today I switched over to 100 LL for my Avid Mark IV/Jabiru. My engine
> couldn't take the California Summer blend Chevron Supreme...and guess
> what...100LL was cheaper by .10 cents a gallon over the Mogas.
> I fouled out a cylinder yesterday on the mogas.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
> To: "Kitfox list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Gasahol in Kitfoxes/912
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer"
> <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
> >
> > Thanks to all the list members who responded to my recent question about
> ethanol in mogas for use in Kitfoxes. This posting is a short summary on
> what I think I learned, please correct any thoughts if in error.
> >
> > I have a Kitfox M4 with a 912 Rotax built in the 92-94 years, and
> California as of 1/1/04 went to using 5.7% ethanol in mogas after phasing
> out MTBE.
> >
> > 1. Lockwood Aviation- indicated up to 10% ethanol in mogas is OK for
the
> 912.
> > 2. My main concern was regarding the use of gasahol was the softening
and
> subsequent leaking of fiberglas/epoxy wing tanks in kitfoxes. I have
heard
> some horror stories about the gasahol mixture softening the epoxy joints
in
> a poorly sloshed/sealed A/C tank. This in turn can cause delamination of
> the tank fuel sealant and possibly epoxy joints resulting in leaking tanks
> and possibly sealant plugged fuel lines.
> > 3. Kitfox said just looking into the tanks with a flashlight to verify
> the tank sealant is in good shape is usually all that is needed. Some fox
> owners however have removed wings from kitfoxes, used MEK to remove old
tank
> sealant and then sloshed new sealant in the tanks to better resist
gasahol.
> >
> > The list responses were inconclusive so I don't know how seriously to
take
> this concern so if I may a couple of specific questions.
> > 1. How many Kitfoxes use gasahol, (95%gas/5%ethanol) in their fuel
tanks?
> > 2. Have any of these gasahol users had tanks leak/sealant erosion?
> > 3. Is this issue real or overblown?
> >
> > Since gasahol is the only kind of fuel availabe in CA now other than
100LL
> aircraft fuel, I'm trying to decide whether to keep flying with gasahol or
> to switch over to 100LL and deal with the lead fouling issue in Rotax 912.
> I'm not sure the information warrants wing removal/resealing the fuel
tanks
> at this point.
> >
> > Any thoughts???
> > Thanks
> > Chuck
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | For all the world to see.............. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
I will be using the address of sidh at charter.net from now on.
My old ones of i2k.com and tm.net are no longer active at this time.
I broke it up to stymie any search and grab spammers from getting my address
off the message, but I guess they just have to hit "reply".
Sid
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
This in response to Julian's response. I was wondering why you don't have
the valves on the wing tanks any more. Seems like I heard that Skystar
recommended removing them, but I don't recall why.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: IO-240B Builders Reference |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
Hey Jeff,
I'll send you the pics I have of the engine install on N24ZM. 560 hrs so far with
the only problem being a broken alternator drive coupling at 480 hrs. TCM has
a 500 hr SB on this but mine and at least 1 other Kitfox builder never got
to 500 hrs before the coupler broke. Unfortunately, servicing the coupler requires
removal of the alternator, which requires removal of the engine, which is
a royal pain in the neck.
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 912 baffle photos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Kerry,
The Series 6 with the 912 firewall forward does not have a gascolator. The header
tank behind the co-pilot seat (low point in the system) has a quick drain
valve that is accessible under the fuselage for fuel sampling.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
David Estapa wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
>
>I forwarded Kerry's message to list because it came to me direct and he's
>asking a question to the list.
>
>David Estapa
>--------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>To: davestapa@juno.com
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:17:26 +0100
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Series 5 912 baffle photos
>
>Dave thanks for the photos. I have saved them this time. And thanks
>John King as well.
>
>We are also missing P/N 42923.00 heat shield. This appears to be an
>aluminium piece, triangle in shape, which fits between the muffler
>and gascolator - apparently to stop heat getting to the gascolator
>and vaporising fuel. John obviously has his gascolator somewhere
>else.
>
>My guess is that it has a lip on the two sides which touch the
>radiator baffle and is riveted to the baffle but not to the
>firewall. Can anyone shed any light?
>Kerry
>
>
>
>
>>Kerry, I was the one who sent the pics. from John King. See attached. I
>>figured out the baffling with John's pics. Now I'm "Baffled" about the
>>P/N 42923.00 heat shield that is in paragraph 67 & 68 on page 35. I
>>can't find it in my parts and can't figure it out from the directions.
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>David Estapa
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" <kmjones@innernet.net>
Hi Scott:
I'm not sure my following comment is much help, but here it is. I used to
have an RV-4 with an Ellison TBI on an O-360. The engine quit twice - both
times when I advanced the throttle quickly - once when recovering from a
practice high altitude stall and once on final that appeared to be a little
short. I was advised (I can't remember by who) to avoid rapid throttle
advances. It never happened again in the following eight years. Apparently
it was good advice. Although both events got my attention, everything
worked out OK. I was able to restart in the air after the stall, and I was
able to land dead stick on the final. It turns out I wasn't that short. I
didn't realize the airplane would glide that far. Since then I have
attempted to have a better understanding of the glide capabilities of the
airplanes I fly and to keep my patterns within gliding range.
I hope this is of some help.
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
>
> Hello Scott,
> To prevent your engine from stalling on rapid throttle
> movement,.........
>
> Thanks Lance,
> I'll adjust as you recommend. I'll be doing my annual inspection the end
> of this month.
> Your advice is timely.
> Scott in Nome
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Hi James,
Glenn Horne here. I would like to know how it
works and how the HAC system performs.
I also have a Fox with a 582 and was thinking about
putting one on mine. Let me know how it does.
Thank you very much.
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I have just completed installing a HAC system on my 582, for those that
would be interested I have posted pictures on Sportflight.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader
pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/Modifications
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
I have a brand new one. You can have it. Just pay shipping. Contact me off list.
Clint
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| Subject: | A question about intercom plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Hello friends,
I have a Flightcom IISX intercom unit mounted in the panel. I wish to purchase
two Comtronics Ultra Pro 2000 helmets (compulsory in Norway) with headset
integrated.
The problem is: The Comtronics headsets have only one jack plug for
mic/headset, and the Flightcom intercom has two separate.
Can I modify the plugs myself or is there other things to consider, such as
different impedance? Comtronics says their headset will fit all radio/intercom
but ...
Buying a matching Comtronics intercom won't be too expensive but I have 8
small holes already drilled in my panel for the Flightcom unit and they won't
match.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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