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1. 12:45 AM - (off-topic) Continental and Lycoming power curves (michel)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (dwight purdy)
3. 04:12 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: fuel valve (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install (Jim Burke)
6. 06:24 AM - Where did you fly to? Re: 100 LL AV..Engine perfomrance???Re: (Harris, Robert)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Rick)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Fox5flyer)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (michel)
10. 07:39 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi (Steve M)
11. 07:49 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Rick)
12. 08:05 AM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
13. 08:57 AM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (Bruce Harrington)
14. 09:03 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
15. 09:04 AM - Re: Where did you fly to? Re: 100 LL AV..Engine perfomrance???Re: Kit fox-List: EthanolAutog a s in Tanks (Bruce Harrington)
16. 10:41 AM - Re: Tail Up Taxi (Steve Cooper)
17. 10:41 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Fox5flyer)
18. 10:42 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Fox5flyer)
19. 11:16 AM - Re: Ellison Throttle (kurt schrader)
20. 11:45 AM - Iditarod Update (Scott McClintock)
21. 11:59 AM - 912 oil drain (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
22. 12:38 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
23. 12:39 PM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (Michel Verheughe)
24. 12:42 PM - Re: Iditarod Update (Michel Verheughe)
25. 12:54 PM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
26. 01:46 PM - Re: Iditarod Update (Scott McClintock)
27. 02:37 PM - oil drain (hausding, sid)
28. 03:17 PM - tail (Bill Pleso)
29. 04:06 PM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (dwight purdy)
30. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install (Glenn Horne)
31. 04:19 PM - OT Crash question (Howard Firm)
32. 04:48 PM - Re: A question about intercom plugs (Bruce Harrington)
33. 05:00 PM - Re: tail (Bruce Harrington)
34. 05:15 PM - Re: OT Crash question (Scott McClintock)
35. 05:25 PM - Re: OT Crash question (David & Maria Lumgair)
36. 05:50 PM - Re: OT Crash question (David & Maria Lumgair)
37. 06:06 PM - Re: tail (Flier)
38. 06:09 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle (Lowell Fitt)
39. 06:36 PM - Re: 912 oil drain (Lowell Fitt)
40. 07:10 PM - Re: Tail Up Taxi (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
41. 07:14 PM - Re: Iditarod Update (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
42. 07:59 PM - Re: 912 oil drain (Dave & Wendy Grosvenor)
43. 08:01 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle (NSI AERO)
44. 08:42 PM - Re: OT Crash question (Bob Unternaehrer)
45. 09:14 PM - Re: OT Crash question (Bob Unternaehrer)
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| Subject: | (off-topic) Continental and Lycoming power curves |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Hello again,
My simulator group is looking for the torque and power curves of Continental
and Lycoming engines. Does anyone know where I can find that on the internet?
Thanks in advance,
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: A question about intercom plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Micheal
I believe you have to just buy the adapter plug from Comtronics.
Dwight
At 08:57 AM 3/17/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello friends,
>
>I have a Flightcom IISX intercom unit mounted in the panel. I wish to
>purchase
>two Comtronics Ultra Pro 2000 helmets (compulsory in Norway) with headset
>integrated.
>The problem is: The Comtronics headsets have only one jack plug for
>mic/headset, and the Flightcom intercom has two separate.
>
>Can I modify the plugs myself or is there other things to consider, such as
>different impedance? Comtronics says their headset will fit all
>radio/intercom
>but ...
>
>Buying a matching Comtronics intercom won't be too expensive but I have 8
>small holes already drilled in my panel for the Flightcom unit and they won't
>match.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ken, I don't believe the stalling you were experiencing is an inherent
Ellison problem, but more of a mixture setting (too lean perhaps?) with the
adjustment screws. I can shove my throttle in as fast as I want with no
hesitation and that's the way it should be in my opinion. In my experience
once you get the Ellison dialed in it'll generally stay that way with no
more adjustments.
Darrel
> I'm not sure my following comment is much help, but here it is. I used to
> have an RV-4 with an Ellison TBI on an O-360. The engine quit twice -
both
> times when I advanced the throttle quickly - once when recovering from a
> practice high altitude stall and once on final that appeared to be a
little
> short. I was advised (I can't remember by who) to avoid rapid throttle
> advances. It never happened again in the following eight years.
Apparently
> it was good advice. Although both events got my attention, everything
> worked out OK. I was able to restart in the air after the stall, and I
was
> able to land dead stick on the final. It turns out I wasn't that short. I
> didn't realize the airplane would glide that far. Since then I have
> attempted to have a better understanding of the glide capabilities of the
> airplanes I fly and to keep my patterns within gliding range.
>
> I hope this is of some help.
>
> Ken Jones
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 3/16/04 2:30:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, bill77@cox.net
writes:
> This in response to Julian's response. I was wondering why you don't have
> the valves on the wing tanks any more. Seems like I heard that Skystar
> recommended removing them, but I don't recall why.
> Bill
> do not archive
Bill,
If this is meant for me, I removed the wing tank valves as part of a
weight reduction program. I have been in search for some small plastic shutoff
valves to put back in their place but need 3/8" vice 1/4". I really liked the
wing tank shutoff valves. Miss them..
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Well Glenn, The installation went well. Now if I can get the weather to
cooperate I will make the the needed adjustments to the clips and jetting. I
think the jetting on my engine is running a little rich,EGTs are running a
little low at mid range. My understanding is minor adjustments may be needed
on a cases to case bases. I will let you know how everything turns out.
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
-------Original Message-------
From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Hi James,
Glenn Horne here. I would like to know how it
works and how the HAC system performs.
I also have a Fox with a 582 and was thinking about
putting one on mine. Let me know how it does.
Thank you very much.
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I have just completed installing a HAC system on my 582, for those that
would be interested I have posted pictures on Sportflight.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader
pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/Modifications
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
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| Subject: | Where did you fly to? RE: 100 LL AV..Engine perfomrance???RE: |
Kit fox-List: EthanolAutog a s in Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Wow that is great news about the 100LL. Where did you fly to? ......
I'm looking forward to taking some trips in my 582ed KII. My previous plane
was a Challenger II and it made my butt and legs were very sore. I thought
this was due to the vibration from the two stroke Rotax 503 so I was
expecting to get sore from flying with the 582 in my KII but maybe I won't.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Re: 100 LL AV..Engine perfomrance???RE: Kitfox-List: EthanolAutog a
s in Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Robert,
I used plenty of 100LL on 5 Air tours in my 582ed Kitfox. Air Tours were
from
700-1400 miles long, and 6-7 days. No apparent problems.
bh
ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
> What type of engine performance can I expect using 100LL AV gas in my
Rotax
> 582? Will the stock carburetor jets be okay with the 100LL AV gas?
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
It is great you can do that but not really how it is designed to work or not
work, dependents how you look at it. The Ellison doesn't have a fuel primer
pump. On the old auto carbs, back when they were yes made of wood, there is
a little fuel primer that shoots fuel into the big gulp of air you get when
you jab the throttle open. The Ellison just goes to WOT and tries to catch
up. My guess is you may be running very rich and even off the idle circuit
if you can do that. I would give Ellison a call.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ken, I don't believe the stalling you were experiencing is an inherent
Ellison problem, but more of a mixture setting (too lean perhaps?) with the
adjustment screws. I can shove my throttle in as fast as I want with no
hesitation and that's the way it should be in my opinion. In my experience
once you get the Ellison dialed in it'll generally stay that way with no
more adjustments.
Darrel
> I'm not sure my following comment is much help, but here it is. I used to
> have an RV-4 with an Ellison TBI on an O-360. The engine quit twice -
both
> times when I advanced the throttle quickly - once when recovering from a
> practice high altitude stall and once on final that appeared to be a
little
> short. I was advised (I can't remember by who) to avoid rapid throttle
> advances. It never happened again in the following eight years.
Apparently
> it was good advice. Although both events got my attention, everything
> worked out OK. I was able to restart in the air after the stall, and I
was
> able to land dead stick on the final. It turns out I wasn't that short. I
> didn't realize the airplane would glide that far. Since then I have
> attempted to have a better understanding of the glide capabilities of the
> airplanes I fly and to keep my patterns within gliding range.
>
> I hope this is of some help.
>
> Ken Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sorry Rick. I don't consider something that's working right to be broken.
It's been fine for 300 hours and I'm leaving it that way. I know how carbs
work and I've overhauled lots of them, but the Ellison isn't a carb. Works
differently. The biggest difference is fuel pressure.
Darrel
> It is great you can do that but not really how it is designed to work or
not
> work, dependents how you look at it. The Ellison doesn't have a fuel
primer
> pump. On the old auto carbs, back when they were yes made of wood, there
is
> a little fuel primer that shoots fuel into the big gulp of air you get
when
> you jab the throttle open. The Ellison just goes to WOT and tries to
catch
> up. My guess is you may be running very rich and even off the idle circuit
> if you can do that. I would give Ellison a call.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | A question about intercom plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com> =====
> I believe you have to just buy the adapter plug from Comtronics.
Thanks Dwight. I guess I could buy a pair of "Helicopter-to-GA" adapters but
... it makes a lot of hardware. It would be better to solder myself the jack
plugs. But ... is there some matching impedance question here? I don't really
trust those "match all" statements.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Up Taxi |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
My Model 2's tail can come up at around 20 IAS, with a long forward shove on
the stick. I mostly do that in headwinds, so the groundspeed is like 10 or
less. Don't want to go much faster, since I might find myself airborne on
the taxiway. My Model 2 weighs around 900# in flying trim, and has a fairly
heavy Geo Metro engine up front.
Steve Maher
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Now I didn't say it was broken. Do believe it may be over compensated and
not sure of the problems that may cause long term. As far as the fuel
delivery form the high to low side of the venturi they only different in the
shape of the metering device. Carbs have round metering devices like a ring
and the Elision has a multi port differential delivery tube. I didn't know
you had it set that way for 300 hours. You will let everyone know if you
find and detrimental side effects wont you? Is this on a Subaru?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sorry Rick. I don't consider something that's working right to be broken.
It's been fine for 300 hours and I'm leaving it that way. I know how carbs
work and I've overhauled lots of them, but the Ellison isn't a carb. Works
differently. The biggest difference is fuel pressure.
Darrel
> It is great you can do that but not really how it is designed to work or
not
> work, dependents how you look at it. The Ellison doesn't have a fuel
primer
> pump. On the old auto carbs, back when they were yes made of wood, there
is
> a little fuel primer that shoots fuel into the big gulp of air you get
when
> you jab the throttle open. The Ellison just goes to WOT and tries to
catch
> up. My guess is you may be running very rich and even off the idle circuit
> if you can do that. I would give Ellison a call.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | A question about intercom plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Sounds like you have the helicopter plug on the helmet. You can buy "y"
adapter or much cheaper buy the right jack and wire it in.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of michel
Subject: Kitfox-List: A question about intercom plugs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Hello friends,
I have a Flightcom IISX intercom unit mounted in the panel. I wish to
purchase
two Comtronics Ultra Pro 2000 helmets (compulsory in Norway) with headset
integrated.
The problem is: The Comtronics headsets have only one jack plug for
mic/headset, and the Flightcom intercom has two separate.
Can I modify the plugs myself or is there other things to consider, such as
different impedance? Comtronics says their headset will fit all
radio/intercom
but ...
Buying a matching Comtronics intercom won't be too expensive but I have 8
small holes already drilled in my panel for the Flightcom unit and they
won't
match.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: A question about intercom plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Michel,
Do this, and plug the extra hole in the panel with plastic plugs.
Probably the easiest way.
bh
> Sounds like you have the helicopter plug on the helmet. You can buy "y"
> adapter or much cheaper buy the right jack and wire it in.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Was reading the thread, and curious as usual, found an article on
the subject.
http://www.ellison-fluidsystems.com/article/notaposa/notaposa.htm
Actually I think it explains why what Darrel is saying is true, since
with a carburetor when you open the throttle quickly, there is a sag
in airflow through the venturi, and consequently a sag in fuel
delivery. Hence the need to compensate with an accelerator pump. The
Ellison, by design elimiates this need, by exposing more jets as the
throttle opens.
It doesn't seem a matter of waiting for the system to catch up, but
looks like a matter of correct adjustment.
I have ZERO experience with the Ellison's though, and this is just based on
what I interpret from the article. But I think what Darrel is trying to
say makes sense.
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rick turboflyer@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Now I didn't say it was broken. Do believe it may be over compensated and
not sure of the problems that may cause long term. As far as the fuel
delivery form the high to low side of the venturi they only different in the
shape of the metering device. Carbs have round metering devices like a ring
and the Elision has a multi port differential delivery tube. I didn't know
you had it set that way for 300 hours. You will let everyone know if you
find and detrimental side effects wont you? Is this on a Subaru?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sorry Rick. I don't consider something that's working right to be broken.
It's been fine for 300 hours and I'm leaving it that way. I know how carbs
work and I've overhauled lots of them, but the Ellison isn't a carb. Works
differently. The biggest difference is fuel pressure.
Darrel
> It is great you can do that but not really how it is designed to work or
not
> work, dependents how you look at it. The Ellison doesn't have a fuel
primer
> pump. On the old auto carbs, back when they were yes made of wood, there
is
> a little fuel primer that shoots fuel into the big gulp of air you get
when
> you jab the throttle open. The Ellison just goes to WOT and tries to
catch
> up. My guess is you may be running very rich and even off the idle circuit
> if you can do that. I would give Ellison a call.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Where did you fly to? RE: 100 LL AV..Engine perfomrance???RE: |
Kit fox-List: EthanolAutog a s in Tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Robert,
I fly out of Roseburg, OR, which is in the SW part of the state.
I've been all over Oregon and parts on Calif., Idaho, and Wash..
Too many airports to list here. I also flew it to Lowell's Annual
Fly-In twice near Sacremento, CA.
N194KF flew to SkyStar factory at least 9 times, going over the
Cascades each time.
Also a lot of trips to the Portland area to the old Evergreen Antique Aircraft
Fly-In.
Used 100LL at all stops after home airport.
Cheers,
bh
> Wow that is great news about the 100LL. Where did you fly to? ......
>
> I'm looking forward to taking some trips in my 582ed KII. My previous plane
> was a Challenger II and it made my butt and legs were very sore. I thought
> this was due to the vibration from the two stroke Rotax 503 so I was
> expecting to get sore from flying with the 582 in my KII but maybe I won't.
>
> Robert
> Hi Robert,
> I used plenty of 100LL on 5 Air tours in my 582ed Kitfox. Air Tours were
> from
> 700-1400 miles long, and 6-7 days. No apparent problems.
> bh
> ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Up Taxi |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
What kind of cruise numbers are you seeing with that Geo Steve? Hey, I
finally got my Avid/Jabiru flying. the air was great this morning. I've got
a climb prop on it right now. my cruise is right around 80 at 75% throttle.
Ya, Tail Up is a lot of fun and I also think it's a useful tool. Since I've
been practicing it my landings have improved.
Steve Cooper
Avid Mark IV
Jabiru 2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Up Taxi
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve M" <ondeck355@hotmail.com>
>
> My Model 2's tail can come up at around 20 IAS, with a long forward shove
on
> the stick. I mostly do that in headwinds, so the groundspeed is like 10 or
> less. Don't want to go much faster, since I might find myself airborne on
> the taxiway. My Model 2 weighs around 900# in flying trim, and has a
fairly
> heavy Geo Metro engine up front.
>
> Steve Maher
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks for the reply Rick. Your opinion is always welcome. I probably
shouldn't have used the word "broken", but I don't believe it's over
compensated at all. The engine runs perfectly in all parameters and as far
as the idle circuit goes I'd much rather have it a "touch" rich than lean.
I've never heard before that you can't open an Ellison quickly and if this
was really true then it wouldn't be a very good choice for airplane use in
my opinion. My strip is short with obstacles and I expect that when the cow
walks out on the runway and I shove the throttle to the wall that the engine
will react accordingly. Anything less would be a disaster waiting to
happen. Yes, it's on a Subaru and adjusted according the instructions from
Lance.
What kind of detrimental side effects can I expect? Does the Rotax 912 have
excellerator pumps in the carbs? How about motorcycles? Cars have been
using TBs since the early 80s. Do they have pumps? Just a few questions to
ponder.
Best Regards,
Darrel
>
> Now I didn't say it was broken. Do believe it may be over compensated and
> not sure of the problems that may cause long term. As far as the fuel
> delivery form the high to low side of the venturi they only different in
the
> shape of the metering device. Carbs have round metering devices like a
ring
> and the Elision has a multi port differential delivery tube. I didn't
know
> you had it set that way for 300 hours. You will let everyone know if you
> find and detrimental side effects wont you? Is this on a Subaru?
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>
> Sorry Rick. I don't consider something that's working right to be broken.
> It's been fine for 300 hours and I'm leaving it that way. I know how
carbs
> work and I've overhauled lots of them, but the Ellison isn't a carb.
Works
> differently. The biggest difference is fuel pressure.
> Darrel
>
> > It is great you can do that but not really how it is designed to work or
> not
> > work, dependents how you look at it. The Ellison doesn't have a fuel
> primer
> > pump. On the old auto carbs, back when they were yes made of wood, there
> is
> > a little fuel primer that shoots fuel into the big gulp of air you get
> when
> > you jab the throttle open. The Ellison just goes to WOT and tries to
> catch
> > up. My guess is you may be running very rich and even off the idle
circuit
> > if you can do that. I would give Ellison a call.
> >
> > Rick
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks for the link Jeff, but I wasn't able to open it. Maybe Ellison is
off the air. Anybody else have any luck?
Darrel
>
> Was reading the thread, and curious as usual, found an article on
> the subject.
>
> http://www.ellison-fluidsystems.com/article/notaposa/notaposa.htm
>
> Actually I think it explains why what Darrel is saying is true, since
> with a carburetor when you open the throttle quickly, there is a sag
> in airflow through the venturi, and consequently a sag in fuel
> delivery. Hence the need to compensate with an accelerator pump. The
> Ellison, by design elimiates this need, by exposing more jets as the
> throttle opens.
>
> It doesn't seem a matter of waiting for the system to catch up, but
> looks like a matter of correct adjustment.
>
> I have ZERO experience with the Ellison's though, and this is just based
on
> what I interpret from the article. But I think what Darrel is trying to
> say makes sense.
>
> Jeff
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
This is the nice thing about having that fuel/air
ratio gage on my plane. I can watch the immediate
reaction to throttle movements with it as well as tune
the carb. As fast as you say the word "bounce", I see
my Ellison go off scale lean and back again with rapid
throttle movements. I test this during part of my
runup. If the engine is still too cold, it will
falter, even though the coolant temp may say it is OK.
But once the engine is really up to temp, it works
fine and I take off.
New plugs helped this too. Faulters more with carbon
buildup.
Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
For those of you who are interested. I was up late last night
and I think I had too much to drink?
Scott in Nome
Mitch Seavey of Seward wins the 32nd running of the Iditarod. Finishing
with a team of Dogs that wanted to continue on. 9 days 12 hours 20
minutes and 22 seconds. Jeff King due in Momentarily. Kjetil Backen
due a few hours later.
LEO B. RASMUSSEN, OFFICIAL CHECKER/TIMER NOME
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
I've just done my first oil change on my 912S. Should be straight forward,
I thought, no mess, no fuss. After warming up the engine I put a funnel
under the oil tank and started to unscrew the drain plug. The plug came
out, dropped into the funnel restricting the flow of oil through the funnel
and almost instantly the funnel was overflowing. Not wanting oil all over
my hangar floor I gallantly and without thinking stuck my finger into the
drain hole to stop the flow of oil. Luckily I had only warmed the oil up to
45 deg C and the heat was bearable!
So now with oil all over my hangar floor, I recalled posts to the list about
easier ways of draining the oil without the mess. The horse has already
bolted but are there any suggestions out there for the next time?
Cheers
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Very strange, the link is ellison-fluid-systems, however when you
go to the site, it changes it in the browser to ellison-fluidsystems
Some kind of a DNS quirk with their website.
The REAL url is:
http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/article/notaposa/notaposa.htm
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Fox5flyer morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks for the link Jeff, but I wasn't able to open it. Maybe Ellison is
off the air. Anybody else have any luck?
Darrel
>
> Was reading the thread, and curious as usual, found an article on
> the subject.
>
> http://www.ellison-fluidsystems.com/article/notaposa/notaposa.htm
>
> Actually I think it explains why what Darrel is saying is true, since
> with a carburetor when you open the throttle quickly, there is a sag
> in airflow through the venturi, and consequently a sag in fuel
> delivery. Hence the need to compensate with an accelerator pump. The
> Ellison, by design elimiates this need, by exposing more jets as the
> throttle opens.
>
> It doesn't seem a matter of waiting for the system to catch up, but
> looks like a matter of correct adjustment.
>
> I have ZERO experience with the Ellison's though, and this is just based
on
> what I interpret from the article. But I think what Darrel is trying to
> say makes sense.
>
> Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: A question about intercom plugs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Bruce Harrington wrote:
> Do this, and plug the extra hole in the panel with plastic plugs.
> Probably the easiest way.
Thanks Noel and Bruce. Yes, the helmet/headset has helicopter type jacks. I
don't have it, yet. I have the FlightCom intercom and two "hand-made" old
headsets and snowboard helmets, and I wish to buy new helmets with integrated headset.
Comtronics seem to be the best buy for helmets with headset integrated. Well,
David Clark has a nice one too but ... very pricey.
So, before I decided to buy two Comtronics helmets/headsets, I need to know how
to connect them in my existing intercom. A "Y" adapter is a solution. Soldering
a new jack to the intercom is another. Soldering new jacks to the cable of the
headset is also a solution. What I want to be sure of is that there won't be
impedance problems. Any thoughts about that?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Iditarod Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> Mitch Seavey of Seward wins the 32nd running of the Iditarod. Finishing
That's funny, Scott, because I just saw it on our local TV news. I believe the
third place in the race was won by a Norwegian from nearby Notodden. We saw his
wife congratulating him on the radio, right after he passed the finish line.
Quite a test of endurance, that race, isn't it? Wow!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
impedance problems? I get lots of SPAM in my email that claim they have the
prescription to solve that one :>O
Wiring in new jacks on the head set side will not make problems for you,
the intercom will match the impedance and all like that.
CUT & SPLICE man
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A question about intercom plugs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Bruce Harrington wrote:
> Do this, and plug the extra hole in the panel with plastic plugs.
> Probably the easiest way.
Thanks Noel and Bruce. Yes, the helmet/headset has helicopter type jacks. I
don't have it, yet. I have the FlightCom intercom and two "hand-made" old
headsets and snowboard helmets, and I wish to buy new helmets with
integrated headset.
Comtronics seem to be the best buy for helmets with headset integrated.
Well,
David Clark has a nice one too but ... very pricey.
So, before I decided to buy two Comtronics helmets/headsets, I need to know
how
to connect them in my existing intercom. A "Y" adapter is a solution.
Soldering
a new jack to the intercom is another. Soldering new jacks to the cable of
the
headset is also a solution. What I want to be sure of is that there won't be
impedance problems. Any thoughts about that?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Iditarod Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Yes, it is quite the race. Tough guys (and gals). Your countryman Kjelteil ran
a
very impressive race.
He was leading up until the very last. The mushers will be finishing the rest of
this week.
Nome is a very happening place right now. This afternoon, I will get into the
"Arctic Fox" and do a little
"low and slow" and buzz a few of the mushers. The weather is just spectacular
today.
Happy St. Patty's Day to all.
Scott in Nome
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Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Scott McClintock wrote:
> > Mitch Seavey of Seward wins the 32nd running of the Iditarod. Finishing
>
> That's funny, Scott, because I just saw it on our local TV news. I believe the
> third place in the race was won by a Norwegian from nearby Notodden. We saw his
> wife congratulating him on the radio, right after he passed the finish line.
> Quite a test of endurance, that race, isn't it? Wow!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Use Wendy's finger? IMO
Sid
---------------------------------------------
I've just done my first oil change on my 912S. Should be straight forward,
I thought, no mess, no fuss. After warming up the engine I put a funnel
under the oil tank and started to unscrew the drain plug. The plug came
out, dropped into the funnel restricting the flow of oil through the funnel
and almost instantly the funnel was overflowing. Not wanting oil all over
my hangar floor I gallantly and without thinking stuck my finger into the
drain hole to stop the flow of oil. Luckily I had only warmed the oil up to
45 deg C and the heat was bearable!
So now with oil all over my hangar floor, I recalled posts to the list about
easier ways of draining the oil without the mess. The horse has already
bolted but are there any suggestions out there for the next time?
Cheers
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
What is the difference (if any) in the tail section between the regular Model
IV and the Speedster?
Bill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Best if you buy the one Comtronics sells.
At 04:24 PM 3/17/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> >===== Original Message From dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com> =====
> > I believe you have to just buy the adapter plug from Comtronics.
>
>Thanks Dwight. I guess I could buy a pair of "Helicopter-to-GA" adapters but
>... it makes a lot of hardware. It would be better to solder myself the jack
>plugs. But ... is there some matching impedance question here? I don't really
>trust those "match all" statements.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Thanks a lot my friend. I hope it works good. If it
does I might try it.
Glenn Horne _ Suffolk, Va
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Well Glenn, The installation went well. Now if I can get the weather to
cooperate I will make the the needed adjustments to the clips and jetting. I
think the jetting on my engine is running a little rich,EGTs are running a
little low at mid range. My understanding is minor adjustments may be needed
on a cases to case bases. I will let you know how everything turns out.
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
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From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Hi James,
Glenn Horne here. I would like to know how it
works and how the HAC system performs.
I also have a Fox with a 582 and was thinking about
putting one on mine. Let me know how it does.
Thank you very much.
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 582 HAC system Install
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I have just completed installing a HAC system on my 582, for those that
would be interested I have posted pictures on Sportflight.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader
pl?action=main&category=Add-Ons/Modifications
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
A good friend of mine heavily damaged his newly completed KR-2 with a
groundloop and flipover at an uncontrolled airport. The canopy, tail and
prop/cowling was damaged. he had liability but no hull insurance. We got the
plane off the runway and into his hanger, but he (or I) wonder if he needs
to report it to the FAA. The FAR's are not clear on experimentals.....anyone
have some advice??
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Sorry, Michel, I'm not into impedance!
But I've been called impudent!
bh
> Thanks Noel and Bruce. Yes, the helmet/headset has helicopter type jacks. I
> don't have it, yet. I have the FlightCom intercom and two "hand-made" old
> headsets and snowboard helmets, and I wish to buy new helmets with integrated
headset.
> Comtronics seem to be the best buy for helmets with headset integrated. Well,
> David Clark has a nice one too but ... very pricey.
> So, before I decided to buy two Comtronics helmets/headsets, I need to know
how
> to connect them in my existing intercom. A "Y" adapter is a solution.
Soldering
> a new jack to the intercom is another. Soldering new jacks to the cable of the
> headset is also a solution. What I want to be sure of is that there won't be
> impedance problems. Any thoughts about that?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Bill,
The Speedster has ribs on the H. and V. stabs. Also the gap between stabs and
control surfaces is closed.
bh
> Builders,
> What is the difference (if any) in the tail section between the regular
Model IV and the Speedster?
> Bill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Actually, these "incidents" get reported to NTSB and you don't have a lot of
time to do it.
It doesn't matter if it's experimental or not, if it flys and has damage at or
exceeding the limit or there were any injury, you gotta.
Don't make it worse by having someone else rat you off, they can impose fines
and pull your ticket.
Scott in Nome
Howard Firm wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> A good friend of mine heavily damaged his newly completed KR-2 with a
> groundloop and flipover at an uncontrolled airport. The canopy, tail and
> prop/cowling was damaged. he had liability but no hull insurance. We got the
> plane off the runway and into his hanger, but he (or I) wonder if he needs
> to report it to the FAA. The FAR's are not clear on experimentals.....anyone
> have some advice??
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Perhaps you should contact your local FSDO about it.... Typically the rule
is if in doubt report it. You'll be in a lot more trouble if you don't and
they find out later and the FAA rep will probably be less likely to offer
much discretion if they have to come on a fact finding mission. Those guys
are typically easy to deal with as long as you don't give them a hard time
they may even feel for your buddy's loss as many are enthusiasts themselves.
As for accident reporting - I think propeller damage, tire damage and wing
tip damage are the only exemptions to the rule. Last time I checked you are
supposed to report an "incident" if you so much as veer off the runway on
roll out. Perhaps it's a good time to fill out a NASA report.. It will
cover your friend if he was was operating legally and just ground looped.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OT Crash question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> A good friend of mine heavily damaged his newly completed KR-2 with a
> groundloop and flipover at an uncontrolled airport. The canopy, tail and
> prop/cowling was damaged. he had liability but no hull insurance. We got
the
> plane off the runway and into his hanger, but he (or I) wonder if he needs
> to report it to the FAA. The FAR's are not clear on
experimentals.....anyone
> have some advice??
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
OK - Looked it up - Operators involved in an accident that causes
substancial damage to aircraft are to notify the nearest NTSB office
"IMMEDIATELY".... Actually I think that ? was on my PPL written test.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OT Crash question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> A good friend of mine heavily damaged his newly completed KR-2 with a
> groundloop and flipover at an uncontrolled airport. The canopy, tail and
> prop/cowling was damaged. he had liability but no hull insurance. We got
the
> plane off the runway and into his hanger, but he (or I) wonder if he needs
> to report it to the FAA. The FAR's are not clear on
experimentals.....anyone
> have some advice??
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Regular IV doesn't have a built up tail. It's flat, as opposed to the
Speedster that has ribs to provide an airfoil shape as well as a gap seal
between the vert stab and the rudder.
Regards,
Ted
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Pleso
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
What is the difference (if any) in the tail section between the regular
Model IV and the Speedster?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I restored a 1923 Marmon Coupe several years ago. Marmon was very
innovative in its technology. I understand their engine was the first with
pressurized lubrication through what they called their 'hollow" crankshaft.
The carburetor had a little reservoir that filled when a piston was raised
against a spring by the manifold vacuum. When the throttle was opened, it
reduced this vacuum and the fuel was injected into the carburetor throat
giving a little burst of fuel for acceleration. I am surprised to think
that Ellison would be comfortable with a design that would allow an engine
to starve for fuel if the throttle was abruptly opened - especially in an
airplane.
Lowell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> It is great you can do that but not really how it is designed to work or
not
> work, dependents how you look at it. The Ellison doesn't have a fuel
primer
> pump. On the old auto carbs, back when they were yes made of wood, there
is
> a little fuel primer that shoots fuel into the big gulp of air you get
when
> you jab the throttle open. The Ellison just goes to WOT and tries to
catch
> up. My guess is you may be running very rich and even off the idle circuit
> if you can do that. I would give Ellison a call.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Ken, I don't believe the stalling you were experiencing is an inherent
> Ellison problem, but more of a mixture setting (too lean perhaps?) with
the
> adjustment screws. I can shove my throttle in as fast as I want with no
> hesitation and that's the way it should be in my opinion. In my
experience
> once you get the Ellison dialed in it'll generally stay that way with no
> more adjustments.
> Darrel
>
> > I'm not sure my following comment is much help, but here it is. I used
to
> > have an RV-4 with an Ellison TBI on an O-360. The engine quit twice -
> both
> > times when I advanced the throttle quickly - once when recovering from a
> > practice high altitude stall and once on final that appeared to be a
> little
> > short. I was advised (I can't remember by who) to avoid rapid throttle
> > advances. It never happened again in the following eight years.
> Apparently
> > it was good advice. Although both events got my attention, everything
> > worked out OK. I was able to restart in the air after the stall, and I
> was
> > able to land dead stick on the final. It turns out I wasn't that short.
I
> > didn't realize the airplane would glide that far. Since then I have
> > attempted to have a better understanding of the glide capabilities of
the
> > airplanes I fly and to keep my patterns within gliding range.
> >
> > I hope this is of some help.
> >
> > Ken Jones
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 oil drain |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Dave, I have the Model IV with the drain plug essentially out of reach. I
use a vacuum system to suck the oil into a container then open the tank and
dry the rest of the oil with a rag. Remember to charge the system before
cranking. Rotax has a bulletin on this. Essentially you remove the return
line feeding it into a container. Then pressurize the tank to about 5 or
so psi - I use the vent line - and crank the engine until you get oil
pressure on the gauge. Otherwise the first start after an oil change might
result in dry bearings for several seconds as the oil lines refill.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 oil drain
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor"
<dwg@iafrica.com>
>
> I've just done my first oil change on my 912S. Should be straight
forward,
> I thought, no mess, no fuss. After warming up the engine I put a funnel
> under the oil tank and started to unscrew the drain plug. The plug came
> out, dropped into the funnel restricting the flow of oil through the
funnel
> and almost instantly the funnel was overflowing. Not wanting oil all over
> my hangar floor I gallantly and without thinking stuck my finger into the
> drain hole to stop the flow of oil. Luckily I had only warmed the oil up
to
> 45 deg C and the heat was bearable!
>
> So now with oil all over my hangar floor, I recalled posts to the list
about
> easier ways of draining the oil without the mess. The horse has already
> bolted but are there any suggestions out there for the next time?
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Up Taxi |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Ya, Tail Up is a lot of fun and I also think it's a useful tool. Since I've
been practicing it my landings have improved.
INTO the wind only hopefully! Don't want to hear about any incidents!
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Iditarod Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 3/17/04 1:47:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us writes:
Yes, it is quite the race. Tough guys (and gals). Your countryman Kjelteil
ran a
very impressive race.
He was leading up until the very last. The mushers will be finishing the rest
of
this week.
From what we hear down in the "lower 48 Kjelteil's lead dog had a heart
attack (?) and died, which was the reason he lost the lead."
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: 912 oil drain |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Thanks Lowell
I'll try the vacuum method next time. Yes, I did remember to charge the
system.
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 oil drain
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Dave, I have the Model IV with the drain plug essentially out of reach. I
use a vacuum system to suck the oil into a container then open the tank and
dry the rest of the oil with a rag. Remember to charge the system before
cranking. Rotax has a bulletin on this. Essentially you remove the return
line feeding it into a container. Then pressurize the tank to about 5 or
so psi - I use the vent line - and crank the engine until you get oil
pressure on the gauge. Otherwise the first start after an oil change might
result in dry bearings for several seconds as the oil lines refill.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor" <dwg@iafrica.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 oil drain
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Wendy Grosvenor"
<dwg@iafrica.com>
>
> I've just done my first oil change on my 912S. Should be straight
forward,
> I thought, no mess, no fuss. After warming up the engine I put a funnel
> under the oil tank and started to unscrew the drain plug. The plug came
> out, dropped into the funnel restricting the flow of oil through the
funnel
> and almost instantly the funnel was overflowing. Not wanting oil all over
> my hangar floor I gallantly and without thinking stuck my finger into the
> drain hole to stop the flow of oil. Luckily I had only warmed the oil up
to
> 45 deg C and the heat was bearable!
>
> So now with oil all over my hangar floor, I recalled posts to the list
about
> easier ways of draining the oil without the mess. The horse has already
> bolted but are there any suggestions out there for the next time?
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hi Guy's,
Kurt, remember that you have a Turbocharged engine, and there is a bit of
lag in response waiting for the fuel mixture to travel through the turbo's
compressor section and then down through the manifold to the combustion
chambers. Even with the Turbo lag your engine throttle response is better
than most other engines out there.
When set up correctly, you can go for several hundred hours without touching
the Elision.
By the way, the reason for calling the unit a throttle is that it is a
simple form of pressurized fuel injection. That's why a accelerator pump is
not required to prevent rapid advancement bog/hesitation.
Lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ellison Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
This is the nice thing about having that fuel/air
ratio gage on my plane. I can watch the immediate
reaction to throttle movements with it as well as tune
the carb. As fast as you say the word "bounce", I see
my Ellison go off scale lean and back again with rapid
throttle movements. I test this during part of my
runup. If the engine is still too cold, it will
falter, even though the coolant temp may say it is OK.
But once the engine is really up to temp, it works
fine and I take off.
New plugs helped this too. Faulters more with carbon
buildup.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: OT Crash question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
If there was no personal injury or property damage other than the airplane,
I think they would call it an "indident" not requiring reporting. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OT Crash question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> A good friend of mine heavily damaged his newly completed KR-2 with a
> groundloop and flipover at an uncontrolled airport. The canopy, tail and
> prop/cowling was damaged. he had liability but no hull insurance. We got
the
> plane off the runway and into his hanger, but he (or I) wonder if he needs
> to report it to the FAA. The FAR's are not clear on
experimentals.....anyone
> have some advice??
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT Crash question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
If there was no personal injury or property damage other than the airplane,
I think they would call it an "indident" not requiring reporting. Bob U
BUT I might be wrong hearing about the "substantial" weisel work. The NASA
for seems appropiate to me Now. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT Crash question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> If there was no personal injury or property damage other than the
airplane,
> I think they would call it an "indident" not requiring reporting. Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: OT Crash question
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
> >
> > A good friend of mine heavily damaged his newly completed KR-2 with a
> > groundloop and flipover at an uncontrolled airport. The canopy, tail and
> > prop/cowling was damaged. he had liability but no hull insurance. We got
> the
> > plane off the runway and into his hanger, but he (or I) wonder if he
needs
> > to report it to the FAA. The FAR's are not clear on
> experimentals.....anyone
> > have some advice??
> >
> >
> > Howard Firm
> > 508 12th St. South
> > Virginia MN 55792
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
> ---
>
>
> ---
>
>
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