---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/21/04: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:19 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/20/04 (Peter Grothe) 2. 08:04 AM - Sun-n-Fun, WAS Kitfox-List Digest (Don Pearsall) 3. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/20/04 (JMCBEAN) 4. 09:34 AM - Re: Have to unsubscribe from the list (Matt Dralle) 5. 02:06 PM - Stratus (gary) 6. 03:13 PM - overheating 582 rotax (Tc9008@aol.com) 7. 04:25 PM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (Marc Arseneault) 8. 05:31 PM - Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 (John E. King) 9. 06:58 PM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (Steve Cooper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:55 AM PST US From: Peter Grothe Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/20/04 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Peter Grothe I'm planning on going to sun n fun to see my first real kitfox as I contemplate on building a series 7. Do you think there will be a good cross-section of kitfox owners there to speak with? I was hoping to see the plans and instruction manuals so I could get a grip on the complexity of the job. I also want to speak about the tools I need to do the job right. And lots of other questions too! Would a factory visit be any help? Who's going to Sun n Fun? it's getting kinda pricey or am I just cheap? --- Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can be also be > found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file > includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and > features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file > includes the plain ASCII > version of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed > with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list/Digest.Kitfox-List.2004-03-20.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list/Digest.Kitfox-List.2004-03-20.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > > > Kitfox-List Digest > Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat > 03/20/04: 5 > > > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:04 AM - Re: ELT Trivia (broschart) > 2. 10:43 AM - Re: Rotax 532 Starter (David > Dawe) > 3. 05:50 PM - Have to unsubscribe from the list > (Steve M) > 4. 09:25 PM - Re: Have to unsubscribe from the > list (Marc Arseneault) > 5. 10:25 PM - Re: Rotax 532 Starter (Bob > Robertson) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:04:13 AM PST US > From: broschart > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ELT Trivia > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart > > > i like to change mine yearly as recommended > i keep thinking of going into the trees and not > being visible from above > no flight plan filed, my wife won't expect me until > evening > i'll be 2 hours before the satellite reports me and > another 2 hours to > get the search started > and i left my cell phone in the car > > how's that for worrying > > Have a good day - Charlie > > Fox5flyer wrote: > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > I just changed out the Duracell D cells in my ELT > and thought I'd pass this > > trivia on. I left the batteries in there for two > years and when I took them > > out for replacement I compared them with a brand > new set. I was a little > > suprised. > > > > New set voltage average was 1.614 per cell > > Old set volatage average was 1.611 per cell > > > > After two years I'd expected more voltage fade > than that, but I consider it > > encouraging at the very least. > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:43:42 AM PST US > From: "David Dawe" > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" > > > Thanks Bob, moved 90 degrees > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Robertson" > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" > > > > > Dave, > > One of two things are happening. One you will be > please to know can be > > solved in aobut ten minutes, the other however is > just a bit costly. > > If you had your starter apart, there is a chance > you reassembled it with > the > > magnets misaligned...Yup, it's easy to do > and.....it will make your > starter > > run backwards. Been there, done that. > > Take the starter off the engine, but leave the > connections hooked up. Have > a > > buddy turn the key (or push the starter button) > and watch the starter. > The > > bendix drive should shoot forward. Looking at the > end of the starter > with > > the bendix drive, the starter should turn > clockwise. > > If it is running in reverse, remove the two long > bolts , slip off the body > > and rotate it 90 degrees. (To be honest, I can't > remember if you have to > > rotate it 90 or 180 degrees) Reassemble and try > again. If it still runs > > backwards rotate it another 90 degrees... Or > maybe someone slse on the > > list can remember. We mark thee bodies with tape > and > > felt pens before disasembly so it's been a while > since I had to do the > > guessing thing.... > > If it turns clockwise and the bendix shoots > forward it is most likely > > the clutch on the bendix that is bad. Only > solution is to replace the > > bendix..... > > Give the above a shot and get back to me..... > > > > regards > > > > Bob Robertson > > Light Engine Services Ltd. > > Rotax Service Center, > > St. Albert, Alberta > > T8N 1M8 > > www.rtx-av-engines.ca > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Dawe" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" > > > > > > > Hello Bob > > > > > > By cleaning the 12 volt connection,it worked for > a while.I removed the > === message truncated === __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:06 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sun-n-Fun, WAS Kitfox-List Digest --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Peter, There are so many fun things to do around Lakeland, that you should plan other activities too, besides Sun-n-Fun. That way it will not be a total loss if you do not get all the info you want. In the past when I have gone there, there have been several KF's that show up. The owners tend to stay only a days or two, not the whole week, so you may miss some. I doubt that KF owners will bring their plans and manuals. Hopefully someone here will do that specifically for you. I just checked with the Skystar web site to see what their plans were, and there is no info on their fly-in schedule for the year. I don't think they went to SnF last year. You could call the factory and ask for sure. Have fun and good luck. Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:21 AM PST US From: "JMCBEAN" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/20/04 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" Peter, I have not heard of many planning on going to Sun-n-Fun although I suspect there will be a few aircraft there. As of early February SkyStar was not planning on going but that could have changed. Blue Skies!! John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Grothe Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 03/20/04 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Peter Grothe I'm planning on going to sun n fun to see my first real kitfox as I contemplate on building a series 7. Do you think there will be a good cross-section of kitfox owners there to speak with? I was hoping to see the plans and instruction manuals so I could get a grip on the complexity of the job. I also want to speak about the tools I need to do the job right. And lots of other questions too! Would a factory visit be any help? Who's going to Sun n Fun? it's getting kinda pricey or am I just cheap? --- Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can be also be > found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file > includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and > features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file > includes the plain ASCII > version of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed > with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list/Digest.Kitfox-List.2004-03-20.ht ml > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list/Digest.Kitfox-List.2004-03-20.tx t > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Kitfox-List Digest > Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat > 03/20/04: 5 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:04 AM - Re: ELT Trivia (broschart) > 2. 10:43 AM - Re: Rotax 532 Starter (David > Dawe) > 3. 05:50 PM - Have to unsubscribe from the list > (Steve M) > 4. 09:25 PM - Re: Have to unsubscribe from the > list (Marc Arseneault) > 5. 10:25 PM - Re: Rotax 532 Starter (Bob > Robertson) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:04:13 AM PST US > From: broschart > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ELT Trivia > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart > > > i like to change mine yearly as recommended > i keep thinking of going into the trees and not > being visible from above > no flight plan filed, my wife won't expect me until > evening > i'll be 2 hours before the satellite reports me and > another 2 hours to > get the search started > and i left my cell phone in the car > > how's that for worrying > > Have a good day - Charlie > > Fox5flyer wrote: > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > I just changed out the Duracell D cells in my ELT > and thought I'd pass this > > trivia on. I left the batteries in there for two > years and when I took them > > out for replacement I compared them with a brand > new set. I was a little > > suprised. > > > > New set voltage average was 1.614 per cell > > Old set volatage average was 1.611 per cell > > > > After two years I'd expected more voltage fade > than that, but I consider it > > encouraging at the very least. > > Darrel > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:43:42 AM PST US > From: "David Dawe" > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" > > > Thanks Bob, moved 90 degrees > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Robertson" > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" > > > > > Dave, > > One of two things are happening. One you will be > please to know can be > > solved in aobut ten minutes, the other however is > just a bit costly. > > If you had your starter apart, there is a chance > you reassembled it with > the > > magnets misaligned...Yup, it's easy to do > and.....it will make your > starter > > run backwards. Been there, done that. > > Take the starter off the engine, but leave the > connections hooked up. Have > a > > buddy turn the key (or push the starter button) > and watch the starter. > The > > bendix drive should shoot forward. Looking at the > end of the starter > with > > the bendix drive, the starter should turn > clockwise. > > If it is running in reverse, remove the two long > bolts , slip off the body > > and rotate it 90 degrees. (To be honest, I can't > remember if you have to > > rotate it 90 or 180 degrees) Reassemble and try > again. If it still runs > > backwards rotate it another 90 degrees... Or > maybe someone slse on the > > list can remember. We mark thee bodies with tape > and > > felt pens before disasembly so it's been a while > since I had to do the > > guessing thing.... > > If it turns clockwise and the bendix shoots > forward it is most likely > > the clutch on the bendix that is bad. Only > solution is to replace the > > bendix..... > > Give the above a shot and get back to me..... > > > > regards > > > > Bob Robertson > > Light Engine Services Ltd. > > Rotax Service Center, > > St. Albert, Alberta > > T8N 1M8 > > www.rtx-av-engines.ca > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Dawe" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" > > > > > > > Hello Bob > > > > > > By cleaning the 12 volt connection,it worked for > a while.I removed the > === message truncated === __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:36 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Have to unsubscribe from the list --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle The 7-day List browser will have all messages posted regardless of whether or not the "d_o not archive" flag was used. If the flag is used, the message will not be appended to the Archive, which is used when searching or downloading. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. At 09:25 PM 3/20/2004 Saturday, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" > > > >Hi Steve, > > >You canhave a look atthe7 day Matronics email Kitfox list browser but the >email's that are posted with do not archive usually won't be posted there. >I don't think you will be able to send to the list. >www.matronics.com/listbrowse/kitfox-list > >Best Regards, > >Marc Arseneault >Ontario Canada Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:33 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: Kitfox-List: Stratus --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gary" Hello, Does anyone know of or have a Stratus in a Kitfox or Avid? Please email me off-line, I would really appreciate pictures or an explanation of the cooling system. I have a similar kitplane with a Stratus and would like to improve my system and could use some ideas and examples. I just learned a lot from some pictures of the Stratus installation in Zenith 601's but would like to see more installations. Thanks very much, Gary Krysztopik Pelican PL Middletown, RI ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:47 PM PST US From: Tc9008@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: overheating 582 rotax --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com My temp on the 582 rotax will not go any lower than 190 degrees. The outside temp is 70 degrees. Would it help if I change the antifreeze ratio. It is presently 50/ 50 . What else can I do to reduce the temp? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:49 PM PST US From: "Marc Arseneault" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: overheating 582 rotax --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" Less antifreeze in yourmixture and lowering the rad 1 " are options that will lower it. Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada ======================= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:39 PM PST US From: "John E. King " Subject: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Peter, Weather permitting, I plan to be there with my Series 6. Will park in the Experimental area with the Kitfox's. Do Not Archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA Peter Grothe wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Peter Grothe > >I'm planning on going to sun n fun to see my first >real kitfox as I contemplate on building a series 7. >Do you think there will be a good cross-section of >kitfox owners there to speak with? I was hoping to >see the plans and instruction manuals so I could get a >grip on the complexity of the job. I also want to >speak about the tools I need to do the job right. And >lots of other questions too! Would a factory visit be >any help? > >Who's going to Sun n Fun? it's getting kinda pricey >or am I just cheap? >--- Kitfox-List Digest Server > wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:56 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: overheating 582 rotax --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" If you reduce the ratio of anti-freeze I guarantee lower temps. In fact, start off with JUST water in it. Test fly it...It'l knock your socks off...then slowly add coolant...until you don't like the high temps. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: overheating 582 rotax > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com > > My temp on the 582 rotax will not go any lower than 190 degrees. The > outside temp is 70 degrees. Would it help if I change the antifreeze ratio. It is > presently 50/ 50 . What else can I do to reduce the temp? > >