Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:32 AM - Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 (Michel Gordillo)
2. 06:33 AM - Starter Flywheel Spacer loctite? (Harris, Robert)
3. 07:36 AM - YES!Re: Starter Flywheel Spacer loctite? (Harris, Robert)
4. 07:46 AM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (Steve Cooper)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (michel)
7. 12:13 PM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 12:50 PM - Re: Series 5 912 gascolator heat shield (Kerry Skyring)
9. 01:56 PM - Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 (daniel johnson)
10. 02:01 PM - Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 (W Duke)
11. 06:04 PM - Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 (John E. King)
12. 08:43 PM - Re: Series 5 912 gascolator heat shield (jimshumaker)
13. 11:57 PM - Re: overheating 582 rotax (Kitfox)
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
May be I will be there at the very beginning.
STill the red one????
Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> Peter,
>
> Weather permitting, I plan to be there with my Series 6. Will park in
> the Experimental area with the Kitfox's.
> Do Not Archive.
>
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| Subject: | Starter Flywheel Spacer loctite? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Starter Flywheel spacer and Loctite question?
Am I supposed to put Loctite on the surfaces of the flywheel spacer and the
starter flywheel? In the 582 Rotax manual it appears that I should have.
Thanks
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Dawe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
Thanks Bob, moved 90 degrees
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocon@telusplanet.net>
>
> Dave,
> One of two things are happening. One you will be please to know can be
> solved in aobut ten minutes, the other however is just a bit costly.
> If you had your starter apart, there is a chance you reassembled it with
the
> magnets misaligned...Yup, it's easy to do and.....it will make your
starter
> run backwards. Been there, done that.
> Take the starter off the engine, but leave the connections hooked up. Have
a
> buddy turn the key (or push the starter button) and watch the starter.
The
> bendix drive should shoot forward. Looking at the end of the starter
with
> the bendix drive, the starter should turn clockwise.
> If it is running in reverse, remove the two long bolts , slip off the body
> and rotate it 90 degrees. (To be honest, I can't remember if you have to
> rotate it 90 or 180 degrees) Reassemble and try again. If it still runs
> backwards rotate it another 90 degrees... Or maybe someone slse on the
> list can remember. We mark thee bodies with tape and
> felt pens before disasembly so it's been a while since I had to do the
> guessing thing....
> If it turns clockwise and the bendix shoots forward it is most likely
> the clutch on the bendix that is bad. Only solution is to replace the
> bendix.....
> Give the above a shot and get back to me.....
>
> regards
>
> Bob Robertson
> Light Engine Services Ltd.
> Rotax Service Center,
> St. Albert, Alberta
> T8N 1M8
> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> >
> > Hello Bob
> >
> > By cleaning the 12 volt connection,it worked for a while.I removed the
> > starter,checked the brushes,rotary assy.,had like an arc damage on
> > it,cleaned,everything back in place,runs fine,however engage gear
doesn't
> > work,like motor is running in reverse?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> > <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I'm a certified Rotax Tech.... what's the problem with your starter?
> > >
> > > Bob Robertson
> > > Light Engine Services Ltd.
> > > Rotax Service Center
> > > St. Albert, Ab. CaN.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have experience working on the starter in a Rotax 532?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Starter Flywheel Spacer loctite? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Yes. I found another Rotax document that clearly shows that I am supposed to
apply loctite to the surface of the spacer and the starter gear.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Starter Flywheel Spacer loctite?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Starter Flywheel spacer and Loctite question?
Am I supposed to put Loctite on the surfaces of the flywheel spacer and the
starter flywheel? In the 582 Rotax manual it appears that I should have.
Thanks
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Dawe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
Thanks Bob, moved 90 degrees
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocon@telusplanet.net>
>
> Dave,
> One of two things are happening. One you will be please to know can be
> solved in aobut ten minutes, the other however is just a bit costly.
> If you had your starter apart, there is a chance you reassembled it with
the
> magnets misaligned...Yup, it's easy to do and.....it will make your
starter
> run backwards. Been there, done that.
> Take the starter off the engine, but leave the connections hooked up. Have
a
> buddy turn the key (or push the starter button) and watch the starter.
The
> bendix drive should shoot forward. Looking at the end of the starter
with
> the bendix drive, the starter should turn clockwise.
> If it is running in reverse, remove the two long bolts , slip off the body
> and rotate it 90 degrees. (To be honest, I can't remember if you have to
> rotate it 90 or 180 degrees) Reassemble and try again. If it still runs
> backwards rotate it another 90 degrees... Or maybe someone slse on the
> list can remember. We mark thee bodies with tape and
> felt pens before disasembly so it's been a while since I had to do the
> guessing thing....
> If it turns clockwise and the bendix shoots forward it is most likely
> the clutch on the bendix that is bad. Only solution is to replace the
> bendix.....
> Give the above a shot and get back to me.....
>
> regards
>
> Bob Robertson
> Light Engine Services Ltd.
> Rotax Service Center,
> St. Albert, Alberta
> T8N 1M8
> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> >
> > Hello Bob
> >
> > By cleaning the 12 volt connection,it worked for a while.I removed the
> > starter,checked the brushes,rotary assy.,had like an arc damage on
> > it,cleaned,everything back in place,runs fine,however engage gear
doesn't
> > work,like motor is running in reverse?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> > <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I'm a certified Rotax Tech.... what's the problem with your starter?
> > >
> > > Bob Robertson
> > > Light Engine Services Ltd.
> > > Rotax Service Center
> > > St. Albert, Ab. CaN.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 532 Starter
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have experience working on the starter in a Rotax 532?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: overheating 582 rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 3/21/04 3:14:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, Tc9008@aol.com
writes:
>
> My temp on the 582 rotax will not go any lower than 190 degrees. The
> outside temp is 70 degrees. Would it help if I change the antifreeze ratio.
> It is
> presently 50/ 50 . What else can I do to reduce the temp?
>
>
I don't think changing the ratio will do that much for 190 degree temps. Are
you absolutely sure the coolant temp sensor/gauge is accurate? 190 degrees
is dangerously high.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: overheating 582 rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Don...been there. I'm absolutely 100% certain that a lower ratio of coolant
(like about 5%) will lower the temps significantly. In fact, I'll bet on it.
:)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: overheating 582 rotax
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/21/04 3:14:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Tc9008@aol.com
> writes:
>
>
> >
> > My temp on the 582 rotax will not go any lower than 190 degrees. The
> > outside temp is 70 degrees. Would it help if I change the antifreeze
ratio.
> > It is
> > presently 50/ 50 . What else can I do to reduce the temp?
> >
> >
>
> I don't think changing the ratio will do that much for 190 degree temps.
Are
> you absolutely sure the coolant temp sensor/gauge is accurate? 190
degrees
> is dangerously high.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | overheating 582 rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From AlbertaIV@aol.com
>I don't think changing the ratio will do that much for 190 degree temps. Are
>you absolutely sure the coolant temp sensor/gauge is accurate?
This is also something I wonder about because I have the opposite problem:
Yesterday I flew touch and goes in +10 C and my temp was between 130 and 150
F, never higher, even on initial climb.
I guess I should remove my temp sensor, boil some water, check with a
thermometer, and with the sensor.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: overheating 582 rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 3/22/04 7:57:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
spdrflyr@earthlink.net writes:
> Don...been there. I'm absolutely 100% certain that a lower ratio of coolant
> (like about 5%) will lower the temps significantly. In fact, I'll bet on it.
> :)
>
> Steve
>
>
Steve,
I've also been there and done that. I agree that lowering the ratio will
lower the temps however, if the engine is running 190 degrees in 70 degree
weather then I feel that something else is wrong. I still say that lowering the
ratio is not the first line of attack on this problem.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Series 5 912 gascolator heat shield |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Does anyone have photos of P/N 42923.00 heat shield installed on
a Series 5 outback with Rotax 912s? This appears to be an
>aluminium piece, triangle in shape, which fits between the muffler
>and gascolator - apparently to stop heat getting to the gascolator
>and vaporising fuel. It's all a bit indistinct in the builders manual.
>My guess is that it is an aluminium piece with a 90 degree folded
edge on the two sides which touch the
radiator baffle and is riveted to the baffle but not to the
>firewall. Can anyone shed any light, send photos or diagrams?
I think Dave would be grateful as well.
We're pushing on. Will we fly this summer? We hope so but these
little things keep coming up.
Kerry
>
>
> >
> >Kerry, I was the one who sent the pics. from John King. See attached. I
> >figured out the baffling with John's pics. Now I'm "Baffled" about the
> >P/N 42923.00 heat shield that is in paragraph 67 & 68 on page 35. I
> >can't find it in my parts and can't figure it out from the directions.
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >David Estapa
> >Woodstock, GA
> >S5 N97DE (Final Assembly)
> >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:13:31 +0100 "Kerry Skyring"
> ><kerryskyring@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> > > <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Someone on the list kindly forwarded me photos of John Kings Rotax
> > > 912
> > > radiator
> > > baffling. In a frenzy of cleaning out my mail box I appear to have
> > > deleted
> > > it.
> > > Can they be sent again? Many thanks.
> > > Kerry
> > > PS we tackled this job on the weekend and just about have it figured
> > > but
> > > the pics will confirm that we have it right.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ><< Series6Radiator4.JPG >>
> ><< 912SBaffle1.JPG >>
> ><< 912SBaffle2.JPG >>
> ><< Series6Radiator3.JPG >>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
I'm also planning to be at sun n fun. Looks like i may be there around the
15th and 16th or so. I'll probably put it in the experimental camping area.
Dan Johnson...K3.Ohio
>From: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:33:21 +0100
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo"
><michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
>
>May be I will be there at the very beginning.
>STill the red one????
>Michel
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > Weather permitting, I plan to be there with my Series 6. Will park in
> > the Experimental area with the Kitfox's.
> > Do Not Archive.
> >
>
>
Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Possibly going but finishing our house on about the 6th so moving may take precedence
this year.
Maxwell N981MS
daniel johnson <kitfox91je@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson"
I'm also planning to be at sun n fun. Looks like i may be there around the
15th and 16th or so. I'll probably put it in the experimental camping area.
Dan Johnson...K3.Ohio
>From: "Michel Gordillo"
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:33:21 +0100
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo"
>
>
>May be I will be there at the very beginning.
>STill the red one????
>Michel
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John E. King "
>To:
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > Weather permitting, I plan to be there with my Series 6. Will park in
> > the Experimental area with the Kitfox's.
> > Do Not Archive.
> >
>
>
Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and
safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Michel,
This is my second Kitfox, a Series 6. Yes it is also painted red with
the same trim colors. Hope to see you.
Do Not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Michel Gordillo wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
>
>May be I will be there at the very beginning.
>STill the red one????
>Michel
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Attending Sun N' Fun 2004
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>>
>>Peter,
>>
>>Weather permitting, I plan to be there with my Series 6. Will park in
>>the Experimental area with the Kitfox's.
>>Do Not Archive.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 912 gascolator heat shield |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Kerry
Any shape of aluminum will work. Aluminum is a good conducto of heat, but
an even better reflector of heat. I used a piece of roofing flashing, with
bends in it to stiffen it.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Series 5 912 gascolator heat shield
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
<kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anyone have photos of P/N 42923.00 heat shield installed on
> a Series 5 outback with Rotax 912s? This appears to be an
> >aluminium piece, triangle in shape, which fits between the muffler
> >and gascolator - apparently to stop heat getting to the gascolator
> >and vaporising fuel. It's all a bit indistinct in the builders manual.
>
> >My guess is that it is an aluminium piece with a 90 degree folded
> edge on the two sides which touch the
> radiator baffle and is riveted to the baffle but not to the
> >firewall. Can anyone shed any light, send photos or diagrams?
>
> I think Dave would be grateful as well.
>
> We're pushing on. Will we fly this summer? We hope so but these
> little things keep coming up.
> Kerry
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Kerry, I was the one who sent the pics. from John King. See attached.
I
> > >figured out the baffling with John's pics. Now I'm "Baffled" about the
> > >P/N 42923.00 heat shield that is in paragraph 67 & 68 on page 35. I
> > >can't find it in my parts and can't figure it out from the directions.
> > >Any ideas?
> > >
> > >David Estapa
> > >Woodstock, GA
> > >S5 N97DE (Final Assembly)
> > >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:13:31 +0100 "Kerry Skyring"
> > ><kerryskyring@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
> > > > <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Someone on the list kindly forwarded me photos of John Kings Rotax
> > > > 912
> > > > radiator
> > > > baffling. In a frenzy of cleaning out my mail box I appear to have
> > > > deleted
> > > > it.
> > > > Can they be sent again? Many thanks.
> > > > Kerry
> > > > PS we tackled this job on the weekend and just about have it figured
> > > > but
> > > > the pics will confirm that we have it right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > ><< Series6Radiator4.JPG >>
> > ><< 912SBaffle1.JPG >>
> > ><< 912SBaffle2.JPG >>
> > ><< Series6Radiator3.JPG >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: overheating 582 rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <kitfox.england@ntlworld.com>
I would'nt worry Michel thats exactly the temps I have had for the last
200hrs on this engine.
Martin Dovey
Kitfox Mk 3.5 G-BTSV
Kitfox Mk 4.0 G-BZIB
----- Original Message -----
From: "michel" <michel@online.no>
> This is also something I wonder about because I have the opposite problem:
> Yesterday I flew touch and goes in +10 C and my temp was between 130 and
150
> F, never higher, even on initial climb.
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