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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Was Quiet (Jabiru 3300) (DC91840@aol.com)
2. 05:19 AM - Texas Fox Flyers (Norm Beauchamp)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Was Quiet (Jabiru 3300) (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:42 AM - Re: 582 oil reservoir level (Gary Algate)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: Quiet (Jimmie Blackwell)
6. 06:32 AM - test message (Vic Jacko)
7. 06:55 AM - Model IV performance (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:30 AM - Address (Norm Beauchamp)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: Texas Fox Flyers (flier)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Model IV performance (scottm)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: Used Items For Sale (Bruce Harrington)
12. 02:20 PM - Wing plan (Graeme Toft)
13. 03:26 PM - Re: Quiet (Steve Cooper)
14. 05:00 PM - Re: Was Quiet (Jabiru 3300) (DC91840@aol.com)
15. 05:10 PM - Re: Texas Fox Flyers (Norm Beauchamp)
16. 06:21 PM - Re: Wing plan (Dee Young)
17. 07:12 PM - Re: Wing plan (Marc Arseneault)
18. 07:25 PM - Re: Question on message layout on list (Marc Arseneault)
19. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Question on message layout on list (Steve Cooper)
20. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Question on message layout on list (Marc Arseneault)
21. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Question on message layout on list (Steve Cooper)
22. 08:01 PM - Re: Wing locker (Ray Kurian)
23. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Question on message layout on list (Don Pearsall)
24. 09:06 PM - Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing plan (Phil Cowley)
25. 09:15 PM - Re: Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing plan (Steve Cooper)
26. 09:23 PM - Re: Model IV performance (Lowell Fitt)
27. 09:26 PM - Re: Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing plan (JMCBEAN)
28. 09:35 PM - Re: Wing locker (Graeme Toft)
29. 09:41 PM - Re: Wing plan (Graeme Toft)
30. 09:49 PM - Re: Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing plan (Don Pearsall)
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| Subject: | Re: Was Quiet (Jabiru 3300) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Steve:
I am going to try a prop with 2"more pitch.
Hoping to get off the ground quicker.
Hope I have enough power to handle it.
Will let you know how it works. It'll be
awhile. Keep flyin.
Don
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| Subject: | Texas Fox Flyers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
There is something I've been thinking about for sometime, and that is a
Texas gathering of Fox Flyers. I know there are several, and think it
would be a fun thing to do. It could be said that I couldn't organize a
Duck Walk, but I could sure help! Anyone else interested that wants to
discuss this? Should we do it on the list or off? -Norm-
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| Subject: | Re: Was Quiet (Jabiru 3300) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Don, adding pitch to your prop will generally increase your takeoff roll and
reduce your climb rate, but increase your cruise speed. If you need less
ground roll on takeoff you need to reduce pitch. The downside is that it
generally reduces your cruise speed too.
Darrel
> I am going to try a prop with 2"more pitch.
> Hoping to get off the ground quicker.
> Hope I have enough power to handle it.
> Will let you know how it works. It'll be
> awhile. Keep flyin.
> Don
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| Subject: | 582 oil reservoir level |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I fitted the Oil Fill access panel to my cowl. Makes checking and adding oil
a breeze
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original M
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Steve
I am considering the 2200 for my Speedster. Did you put the Jabiru 2200 on a
Model IV? What cowl did you use and have you had any cooling issues?
Thank you
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Quiet
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Don. I'm flying a Jabiru 2200. It's an early ser. no. (296) but it's
> been modified. It pulls like a freight train. I'm really happy with it so
> far. I only have about 10 hours on it but it flys beautifully. Right now I
> have a Prince P-Tip on it, a climb prop, The 2200 is only supposed to see
> 3300 rpm with it but I see 3700. I've modified the throttle so it stays
> pretty close to 3300. it really pulls the bird along, but I still get
80~85
> mph cruise with it. Last week I bought a Warp two blade to try. I think
it
> will be hard to beat that Prince for climb though. I'll mostly use the
Warp
> for cruise if it flys well. Aero-carb eh? What did you do with the 40mm
> Bing? I sure would like to have one. I have the older induction system.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DC91840@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Quiet
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
> >
> > Everybody must be spring cleaning. I am tryin to get my
> > Classic IV back together. Had a wingtip and end rib
> > damaged last fall. Hangar rash/with tractor.
> > Steve which Jabiru engine are you running?
> > I have a 3300 with the Aero-carb throttle body
> > and just love it. Also fly a Citabria 7ECA.
> > OK back to spring cleanin.
> > Don C. in Pa.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Test
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| Subject: | Model IV performance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
We had a great opportunity weather wise Saturday and took the opportunity to fly
as a group of five over Yosemite valley. and to Pine Mountain Lake for lunch.
Great viewing over the valley and took a bunch of video. Lots of snow confused
the camera a bit, but I think that part is fixable.
The performance part has to do with a Model IV that joined the group for the first
time. It is a Speedster with the long wings - 912 UL. The builder opted
to not shorten the wing span. He had none of the Speedster fairings except
the Speedster vertical stabilizer and rudder ribs and gap closure. In other words
no strut fairings, no wheel pants and no radiator shroud. He did have the
electric trim.
In short, his airplane is a real goer. The only conclusion I could make is that
the electric trim - not having to use flaperon trim for pitch control - is a
real advantage cruise wise. It may cost a little and take some build time. But
it will add a bunch to performance. I was surprised. Because of the bare
lift struts, I expected him to be the cruise speed determinant for the group (we
fly at the speed of the slowest airplane). Not so. He could easily make over
100 in cruise. I don't know his maximum cruise, but his engine was running
in the low fives as we flew.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Ron Rliebmann,
I've dumped your mailing address, and Mailer Deamon dumps your e-mail
address.
Need address information. -Norm-
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"kitfox-list@matronics.com"
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Re: Texas Fox Flyers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Hey Norm,
Some of us around Houston would probably be game
depending on the location...
Regards,
Ted
http://www.foxflier.com
do not archive
--- Original Message ---
From: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Texas Fox Flyers
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp
<nebchmp@wcc.net>
>
>There is something I've been thinking about for
sometime, and that is a
>Texas gathering of Fox Flyers. I know there are
several, and think it
>would be a fun thing to do. It could be said that I
couldn't organize a
>Duck Walk, but I could sure help! Anyone else
interested that wants to
>discuss this? Should we do it on the list or off? -
Norm-
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV performance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scottm" <scottm@dol.net>
Lowell, could you or others outline what is involved in
adding the pitch trim to a Model IV? I have a model IV
project that I picked up from another builder. It was not
equipped with any kind of pitch trim. Was this an option for
the IV? Or is this a custom deal? I'm interested, as I
have read of other builders experiences using flaperon for
pitch trim and would much prefer to have a more conventional
trim system.
Also, since we're on it, what are others thoughts regarding
short or long wings? Mine is not a speedster, but I plan on
adding fairings to it. I have the standard wings and have
heard opinions both ways. Some say go ahead and shorten the
wings, its easy to do. Others say the span makes no
difference in cruise speeds and makes the airplane
handle/fly better. What are your thoughts?
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> We had a great opportunity weather wise Saturday and took
> the opportunity to fly as a group of five over Yosemite
> valley. and to Pine Mountain Lake for lunch. Great
> viewing over the valley and took a bunch of video. Lots
> of snow confused the camera a bit, but I think that part
> is fixable.
> The performance part has to do with a Model IV that joined
> the group for the first time. It is a Speedster with the
> long wings - 912 UL. The builder opted to not shorten
> the wing span. He had none of the Speedster fairings
> except the Speedster vertical stabilizer and rudder ribs
> and gap closure. In other words no strut fairings, no
> wheel pants and no radiator shroud. He did have the
> electric trim.
> In short, his airplane is a real goer. The only
> conclusion I could make is that the electric trim - not
> having to use flaperon trim for pitch control - is a real
> advantage cruise wise. It may cost a little and take some
> build time. But it will add a bunch to performance. I was
> surprised. Because of the bare lift struts, I expected
> him to be the cruise speed determinant for the group (we
> fly at the speed of the slowest airplane). Not so. He
> could easily make over 100 in cruise. I don't know his
> maximum cruise, but his engine was running in the low
> fives as we flew.
> Lowell
>
>
> the Matronics Forums.
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"Sonexplans" <sonexplans@yahoogroups.com>,
"Sonexlist" <sonexbuilders@egroups.com>
| Subject: | Re: Used Items For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
All items now sold.
Bruce N321SX
> I have the following used items for sale. All in excellent shape.
>
> Chief Aircraft brand 2 1/4" Ammeter CAA01, +/-40amp, $44 at Chief.
> Shunt, 40 amp, 40 mv, used with above ammeter, $15 at Chief.
> Potter & Brumfield 1 amp Circuit Breaker, W58-XC4C12A-1, used with above
> ammeter, $7.80 at ACS.
> As a package, retailed at $66.80, I'll send, including postage, for $45.
>
> UMA 2 1/4" Altimiter, 0-20K, In Hg, $184.95 at Chief. (I replaced with 0-10K)
> First $130 gets it, including shipping.
>
> Double click aerowood@mcsi.net if interested.
>
> Bruce Harrington
> ex N194KF 582ed Kitfox IV-1200, 800+ hrs
> N321SX Sonex, Jab 3300ed, 65.0 hrs
>
> Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi, can anyone help me out with a plan for the left and right wing on a Mk1 that
shows wing tank and bracing configuration.
Cheers
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hi Jimmie, I installed the Jabiru on an Avid Mark IV. I purchased a Jabiru
Nose bowl and grafted it onto a Mark IV cowl. this reduces frontal area
quite a bit. My cooling is perfect. My highest CHT is #1 and it generally
shows 290 in cruise. the other three cylinders are withen 20 degrees or so.
My oil temp is running a little low...I havn't seen 180 yet...but summer is
coming. I really love the Jabiru, it pulls very hard. Cruise is sweet. Not a
single leak or seapage anywhere on the engine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Quiet
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Steve
> I am considering the 2200 for my Speedster. Did you put the Jabiru 2200 on
a
> Model IV? What cowl did you use and have you had any cooling issues?
>
> Thank you
> Jimmie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Quiet
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Hi Don. I'm flying a Jabiru 2200. It's an early ser. no. (296) but it's
> > been modified. It pulls like a freight train. I'm really happy with it
so
> > far. I only have about 10 hours on it but it flys beautifully. Right now
I
> > have a Prince P-Tip on it, a climb prop, The 2200 is only supposed to
see
> > 3300 rpm with it but I see 3700. I've modified the throttle so it stays
> > pretty close to 3300. it really pulls the bird along, but I still get
> 80~85
> > mph cruise with it. Last week I bought a Warp two blade to try. I think
> it
> > will be hard to beat that Prince for climb though. I'll mostly use the
> Warp
> > for cruise if it flys well. Aero-carb eh? What did you do with the 40mm
> > Bing? I sure would like to have one. I have the older induction system.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <DC91840@aol.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Quiet
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
> > >
> > > Everybody must be spring cleaning. I am tryin to get my
> > > Classic IV back together. Had a wingtip and end rib
> > > damaged last fall. Hangar rash/with tractor.
> > > Steve which Jabiru engine are you running?
> > > I have a 3300 with the Aero-carb throttle body
> > > and just love it. Also fly a Citabria 7ECA.
> > > OK back to spring cleanin.
> > > Don C. in Pa.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was Quiet (Jabiru 3300) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Thought I would increase pitch because I have what seems to be
plenty of power.We'll see when I get it back flyin.Maybe
a couple months.
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Fox Flyers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Ted,
For starters I was going to suggest San Angelos, Mathis Field Not so much
because I live here. Its centrally located, there is plenty of parking, large
area for camping, ( off the flight line), or motels, (I could check on
transportation) and I know the assistant airport manager.
We might get a price on fuel also. I would do further checking if there
things people would like available. This is only my suggestion. I'm open to
others. How about it? Anyone else? Cheers, Norm.
flier wrote:Hey Norm,
>
> Some of us around Houston would probably be game
> depending on the location...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Have you tried Skystar, maybe they can help.
Dee Young
Model II N345DY
>From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing plan
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:19:09 +1000
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi, can anyone help me out with a plan for the left and right wing on a
>Mk1 that shows wing tank and bracing configuration.
>
>Cheers
>Graeme
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Skystar from what Ihave heardfrom a few people is that they aren't responding tomany
of therecustomers or potential customers. Some of the parts that some of
theseguys needwould bereally good sales for them but I guess Skystar doesn't
need sales to survive anymore. I have tried to help Graeme but the plans I sent
him are for the speedster wing.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar
2004 18:17:54 -0800 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com
Have you tried Skystar, maybe they can help. Dee Young Model II N345DY
From: "Graeme Toft" msm@byterocky.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
kitfox-lis
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| Subject: | RE: Question on message layout on list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Would anyone have an idea why my e-mail's are appearing on the list with some spaces
between the words missing? When I write a message, the spaces are there
but if I re-read my message once it is sent to list, alot of the words are put
together leaving no spaces where there should be some.
Any advice would be appreciated!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada From: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com Reply-To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:
Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:12:33 -0500 -- Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com Skystar from what
Ihave heardfrom a few people is that they aren't responding tomany of therecustomers
or potential customers. Some of the parts that some of theseguys needwould
bereally good sales for them but I guess Skystar doesn't need sales to survive
anymore. I have tried to help Graeme but the plans I sent him are for the
speedster wing. Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada From: "Dee Young"
henrysfork1@msn.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:17:54
-0800 -- Kitfox-List mes
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Question on message layout on list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Are you writing your posts in a word processor?
Do you have Hyper text linked to your email?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Question on message layout on list
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Would anyone have an idea why my e-mail's are appearing on the list with
some spaces between the words missing? When I write a message, the spaces
are there but if I re-read my message once it is sent to list, alot of the
words are put together leaving no spaces where there should be some.
>
>
> Any advice would be appreciated!
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada From: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com
RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:12:33 -0500 --
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
northernultralights@hotmail.com Skystar from what Ihave heardfrom a few
people is that they aren't responding tomany of therecustomers or potential
customers. Some of the parts that some of theseguys needwould bereally good
sales for them but I guess Skystar doesn't need sales to survive anymore. I
have tried to help Graeme but the plans I sent him are for the speedster
wing. Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada From: "Dee Young"
henrysfork1@msn.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29
Mar 2004 18:17:54 -0800 -- Kitfox-List mes
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Question on message layout on list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Steve,
I am writting my e-mail's from my hotmail account. I am not sure what you mean
by ahyper text link but how would I be able to check to see if that is the problem?
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Steve Cooper" spdrflyr@earthlink.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Question on message
layout on list Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:31:44 -0800 -- Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Steve Cooper" spdrflyr@earthlink.net Are you writing your posts in
a word processor? Do you have Hyper text linked to your email? Steve ----- Original
Message ----- From: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Question on message layout
on list -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com
Would anyone have an idea why my e-mail's are appearing on the list with some
spaces between the words missing? When I write a message, the spaces are there
but if I re-read my message once it is sent to list, alot of the words are
put together leaving no spaces where there should be some. Any advice would
be appreciated! Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada From: "Marc
Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date:
Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:12:33 -0500 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
northernultralights@hotmail.com Skystar from what Ihave heardfrom a few
people is that they aren't responding tomany of therecustomers or potential customers.
Some of the parts that some of theseguys needwould bereally good sales
for them but I guess Skystar doesn't need sales to survive anymore. I have
tried to help Graeme but the plans I sent him are for the speedster wing. Best
Regards,
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Try using outlook express which should be included with your OS.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Question on message layout on list
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
> I am writting my e-mail's from my hotmail account. I am not sure what you
mean by ahyper text link but how would I be able to check to see if that is
the problem?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada
>
> From: "Steve Cooper" spdrflyr@earthlink.net Reply-To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
Kitfox-List: RE: Question on message layout on list Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004
19:31:44 -0800 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
spdrflyr@earthlink.net Are you writing your posts in a word processor? Do
you have Hyper text linked to your email? Steve ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Question on message
layout on list -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
northernultralights@hotmail.com
> Would anyone have an idea why my e-mail's are appearing on the list
with some spaces between the words missing? When I write a message, the
spaces are there but if I re-read my message once it is sent to list, alot
of the words are put together leaving no spaces where there should be some.
Any advice would be appreciated! Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario
Canada From: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com RE:
Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:12:33 -0500 -- Kitfox-List
message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com Skystar
from what Ihave heardfrom a few people is that they aren't responding tomany
of therecustomers or potential customers. Some of the parts that some of the
seguys needwould bereally good sales for them but I guess Skystar doesn't
need sales to survive anymore. I have tried to help Graeme but the plans I
sent him are for the speedster wing. Best Regards,
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
Graeme,
I have a Model 1 with wing tanks, Let me scan the appropriate pages from
the manual and I'll email them to you. Might be a day or so, lots of stuff
going on here.
Ray Kurian
raykurian@earthlink.net
KitFox Model 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing locker
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi , I am rebuilding a Mk 1 in Australia and cant find info about
converting the wing locker into a fuel tank. Can anyone tell me if this mod
is approved and if so where can I get plans or detail on how to go about it.
Hope someone can help as its impossible to get info down here about anything
Kitfox related.
>
> Regards
> Graeme
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Marc,
Sometimes when a line of text "wraps around" while you are typing, you may
not notice that you did not include a space between words. The words appear
separated because they are on different lines, but they really do lack a
space between the words. The viewers window will wrap the lines differently
than the one you wrote in, therefore there will be no space between the
words.
That is one reason, there may be others.
Don Pearsall.
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| Subject: | Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing plan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Cowley" <pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
Hey All,
Thought I'd jump in on this one. I picked up my series 5 project last
week, and on the way back (NY - CA) I stopped by skystar to ask some
questions, maybe get some support and parts, and get a prearranged demo
ride (the second time I've been there to try to get a ride) (I've never
flown in a kitfox to date, or seen a completed series 5).
When I got there, I waited about 20 minutes to see Ed, and the Crystal
(the secretary) was very busy, but did make time to talk to us.
After waiting, we got a brief tour of their showroom / assembly hanger
(though walked past the manufacturing portion of the facility without
comment)
After having to press Ed to answer particular questions about my
particular aircraft (series 5 taildragger) and getting more or less non
answers I gave up and inquired about the demo flight. I was informed
that the Turbo 7 demo (the red and white one featured everywhere) was
gone with an unnamed "Ex - Employee" who owns the aircraft and "just
came in and took it this morning, dunno where", and the R&D / Demo 7 was
apart "just being checked out for the airshow coming up" (S'NF) All the
demo 4's were gone as well. Very similar story to the one I got the
first time.
During the "experience" I got a feeling of indifference and was stunned
by the lack of interest in my project, and a total lack of a feeling of
support. I run a small business and would never consider treating
customers in such a manner.
Ed made a comment about having problems selling aircraft in today's
economy and the company going through a transitional phase and walked
away.... maybe I just got him on another bad day.
Dave Morris was absent that day, and I was warned by Crystal that "he
had been having problems lately with support and just to email her with
questions". Her effort and caring impressed me and I'm glad she's there.
CrystalR@skystar.com
To be brutally honest, I'm not really sure how they are still in
business. If I was a customer looking at a kit after that (the second
time around, similar story before) I would definitely never purchase a
kit.
After having driven several hours out of my way to visit them (for the
second time), I am still glad I did it, but am left disappointed by
their (Ed's) attitude and lack of support. I can't express how valuable
this list is to myself and the kitfox community in the face of these
challenges.
If anyone in California or even close is interested in showing off their
KF project/aircraft I'd be very interested in taking a look (and would
love to go for a ride if it's in the cards).
If anyone out there is interested in seeing my 5, they are more than
welcome - its currently located just a few minutes from the San Luis
Obispo airport, SBP. If you fly in I'd be happy to pick you up and go
for lunch. I have pictures of the trip and project if anyone is
interested, and hope to get a website going soon for the plane.
Really short summary of the trip - there are a lot of barns & fields
between Long island and San luis obispo, lots of nice people in this
country, tons of neat places I vow to see by air one day, and tons of
towns and communities that I would like to go back and visit for a few
weeks each. What a wonderful country we live in. I'm really impressed
with the quality of work done on my aircraft and can't wait to check
everything and start up where the previous owner left off.
Please understand that these are just my experiences, and should be
taken as such, let's hear what other people's experiences were. Maybe it
was just I got them on two bad days .... I hope for our sake
Warm Regards & happy flying,
Phil Cowley
Series 5 / Subaru EJ22 project - making engine noises :) & currently
contemplating covering and engine install
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Arseneault
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Skystar from what Ihave heardfrom a few people is that they aren't
responding tomany of therecustomers or potential customers. Some of the
parts that some of theseguys needwould bereally good sales for them but
I guess Skystar doesn't need sales to survive anymore. I have tried to
help Graeme but the plans I sent him are for the speedster wing.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Reply-To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE:
Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:17:54 -0800 --
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Have you
tried Skystar, maybe they can help. Dee Young Model II N345DY From:
"Graeme Toft" msm@byterocky.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
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plan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hi Phil...sorry to hear about your negative experience. I live in S. Cal and
we have several series 5s in the area. Where in Cal do you live?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Cowley" <pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing
plan
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Cowley"
<pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
>
> Hey All,
>
> Thought I'd jump in on this one. I picked up my series 5 project last
> week, and on the way back (NY - CA) I stopped by skystar to ask some
> questions, maybe get some support and parts, and get a prearranged demo
> ride (the second time I've been there to try to get a ride) (I've never
> flown in a kitfox to date, or seen a completed series 5).
>
> When I got there, I waited about 20 minutes to see Ed, and the Crystal
> (the secretary) was very busy, but did make time to talk to us.
>
> After waiting, we got a brief tour of their showroom / assembly hanger
> (though walked past the manufacturing portion of the facility without
> comment)
>
> After having to press Ed to answer particular questions about my
> particular aircraft (series 5 taildragger) and getting more or less non
> answers I gave up and inquired about the demo flight. I was informed
> that the Turbo 7 demo (the red and white one featured everywhere) was
> gone with an unnamed "Ex - Employee" who owns the aircraft and "just
> came in and took it this morning, dunno where", and the R&D / Demo 7 was
> apart "just being checked out for the airshow coming up" (S'NF) All the
> demo 4's were gone as well. Very similar story to the one I got the
> first time.
>
> During the "experience" I got a feeling of indifference and was stunned
> by the lack of interest in my project, and a total lack of a feeling of
> support. I run a small business and would never consider treating
> customers in such a manner.
>
> Ed made a comment about having problems selling aircraft in today's
> economy and the company going through a transitional phase and walked
> away.... maybe I just got him on another bad day.
>
> Dave Morris was absent that day, and I was warned by Crystal that "he
> had been having problems lately with support and just to email her with
> questions". Her effort and caring impressed me and I'm glad she's there.
> CrystalR@skystar.com
>
> To be brutally honest, I'm not really sure how they are still in
> business. If I was a customer looking at a kit after that (the second
> time around, similar story before) I would definitely never purchase a
> kit.
>
> After having driven several hours out of my way to visit them (for the
> second time), I am still glad I did it, but am left disappointed by
> their (Ed's) attitude and lack of support. I can't express how valuable
> this list is to myself and the kitfox community in the face of these
> challenges.
>
> If anyone in California or even close is interested in showing off their
> KF project/aircraft I'd be very interested in taking a look (and would
> love to go for a ride if it's in the cards).
>
> If anyone out there is interested in seeing my 5, they are more than
> welcome - its currently located just a few minutes from the San Luis
> Obispo airport, SBP. If you fly in I'd be happy to pick you up and go
> for lunch. I have pictures of the trip and project if anyone is
> interested, and hope to get a website going soon for the plane.
>
> Really short summary of the trip - there are a lot of barns & fields
> between Long island and San luis obispo, lots of nice people in this
> country, tons of neat places I vow to see by air one day, and tons of
> towns and communities that I would like to go back and visit for a few
> weeks each. What a wonderful country we live in. I'm really impressed
> with the quality of work done on my aircraft and can't wait to check
> everything and start up where the previous owner left off.
>
> Please understand that these are just my experiences, and should be
> taken as such, let's hear what other people's experiences were. Maybe it
> was just I got them on two bad days .... I hope for our sake
>
> Warm Regards & happy flying,
>
> Phil Cowley
> Series 5 / Subaru EJ22 project - making engine noises :) & currently
> contemplating covering and engine install
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
> Arseneault
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
> <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Skystar from what Ihave heardfrom a few people is that they aren't
> responding tomany of therecustomers or potential customers. Some of the
> parts that some of theseguys needwould bereally good sales for them but
> I guess Skystar doesn't need sales to survive anymore. I have tried to
> help Graeme but the plans I sent him are for the speedster wing.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada
>
> From: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Reply-To:
> kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE:
> Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:17:54 -0800 --
> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Have you
> tried Skystar, maybe they can help. Dee Young Model II N345DY From:
> "Graeme Toft" msm@byterocky.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
> kitfox-lis
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV performance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Mark,
The trim was part of the Speedster design and was an option for all of the
Model IVs sold during the Speedster era. The stabilizer is still available
from Skystar - $595. http://www.skystar.com/upgrades.htm
When I ordered, I didn't purchase the whole kit for the trim tab to save a
dollar or two and was surprised when I saw the 1" channel welded as the
hinge attach point on the tab cut-out. Te Servo - available from The Ray
Allen company - http://www.rayallencompany.com - $225 - is about an inch
thick also. This made it pretty clear that I would need to add ribs to the
elevator to give the thickness for the fabric to clear both the servo and
the tab hinge attachment. With weight in mind, I used 1/4" Urethane foam
for the ribs encasing them in a very light weight fiberglass on both sides.
I decided to also close the gap and did the vertical fin and rudder also.
The SS supplied ribs were of plywood.
I also modified the access cover as I didn't like the way SS put the cover
on top of the elevator. I put it on the bottom which took a little effort
as even though the servo was installed before covering, I wanted to be able
to remove it after cover if servicing became necessary. I helped a friend
do his that way and have a couple of photos of a modification to the servo
that makes removal a lot easier - than on my installation. I you would like
to see them let me know and I will send them direct.
The modification to electric servo elevator trim will take a couple of bucks
and some time, but I think if you did it you would be happy you did. And if
you fly like me with guys with the flaperon trim, it will pay for itself
with fuel cost savings
----- Original Message -----
From: "scottm" <scottm@dol.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model IV performance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scottm" <scottm@dol.net>
>
> Lowell, could you or others outline what is involved in
> adding the pitch trim to a Model IV? I have a model IV
> project that I picked up from another builder. It was not
> equipped with any kind of pitch trim. Was this an option for
> the IV? Or is this a custom deal? I'm interested, as I
> have read of other builders experiences using flaperon for
> pitch trim and would much prefer to have a more conventional
> trim system.
> Also, since we're on it, what are others thoughts regarding
> short or long wings? Mine is not a speedster, but I plan on
> adding fairings to it. I have the standard wings and have
> heard opinions both ways. Some say go ahead and shorten the
> wings, its easy to do. Others say the span makes no
> difference in cruise speeds and makes the airplane
> handle/fly better. What are your thoughts?
> Mark Scott
> Elkton, MD
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| Subject: | Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing |
plan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Phil,
Wish I would have know you were coming by Idaho. We would have gladly
gone
flying. Careful what you wish for.. there is a Kitfox fly-in June 12th at
Cameron Park.. NE of Sacramento. There are several that will be flying up
and most likely near you. If you can make it up you would get a chance to
chat with a lot of people.
If you find your way back up to Idaho.. give me a shout.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Cowley
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing
plan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Cowley"
<pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
Hey All,
Thought I'd jump in on this one. I picked up my series 5 project last
week, and on the way back (NY - CA) I stopped by skystar to ask some
questions, maybe get some support and parts, and get a prearranged demo
ride (the second time I've been there to try to get a ride) (I've never
flown in a kitfox to date, or seen a completed series 5).
When I got there, I waited about 20 minutes to see Ed, and the Crystal
(the secretary) was very busy, but did make time to talk to us.
After waiting, we got a brief tour of their showroom / assembly hanger
(though walked past the manufacturing portion of the facility without
comment)
After having to press Ed to answer particular questions about my
particular aircraft (series 5 taildragger) and getting more or less non
answers I gave up and inquired about the demo flight. I was informed
that the Turbo 7 demo (the red and white one featured everywhere) was
gone with an unnamed "Ex - Employee" who owns the aircraft and "just
came in and took it this morning, dunno where", and the R&D / Demo 7 was
apart "just being checked out for the airshow coming up" (S'NF) All the
demo 4's were gone as well. Very similar story to the one I got the
first time.
During the "experience" I got a feeling of indifference and was stunned
by the lack of interest in my project, and a total lack of a feeling of
support. I run a small business and would never consider treating
customers in such a manner.
Ed made a comment about having problems selling aircraft in today's
economy and the company going through a transitional phase and walked
away.... maybe I just got him on another bad day.
Dave Morris was absent that day, and I was warned by Crystal that "he
had been having problems lately with support and just to email her with
questions". Her effort and caring impressed me and I'm glad she's there.
CrystalR@skystar.com
To be brutally honest, I'm not really sure how they are still in
business. If I was a customer looking at a kit after that (the second
time around, similar story before) I would definitely never purchase a
kit.
After having driven several hours out of my way to visit them (for the
second time), I am still glad I did it, but am left disappointed by
their (Ed's) attitude and lack of support. I can't express how valuable
this list is to myself and the kitfox community in the face of these
challenges.
If anyone in California or even close is interested in showing off their
KF project/aircraft I'd be very interested in taking a look (and would
love to go for a ride if it's in the cards).
If anyone out there is interested in seeing my 5, they are more than
welcome - its currently located just a few minutes from the San Luis
Obispo airport, SBP. If you fly in I'd be happy to pick you up and go
for lunch. I have pictures of the trip and project if anyone is
interested, and hope to get a website going soon for the plane.
Really short summary of the trip - there are a lot of barns & fields
between Long island and San luis obispo, lots of nice people in this
country, tons of neat places I vow to see by air one day, and tons of
towns and communities that I would like to go back and visit for a few
weeks each. What a wonderful country we live in. I'm really impressed
with the quality of work done on my aircraft and can't wait to check
everything and start up where the previous owner left off.
Please understand that these are just my experiences, and should be
taken as such, let's hear what other people's experiences were. Maybe it
was just I got them on two bad days .... I hope for our sake
Warm Regards & happy flying,
Phil Cowley
Series 5 / Subaru EJ22 project - making engine noises :) & currently
contemplating covering and engine install
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Arseneault
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Skystar from what Ihave heardfrom a few people is that they aren't
responding tomany of therecustomers or potential customers. Some of the
parts that some of theseguys needwould bereally good sales for them but
I guess Skystar doesn't need sales to survive anymore. I have tried to
help Graeme but the plans I sent him are for the speedster wing.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Reply-To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE:
Kitfox-List: Wing plan Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:17:54 -0800 --
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" henrysfork1@msn.com Have you
tried Skystar, maybe they can help. Dee Young Model II N345DY From:
"Graeme Toft" msm@byterocky.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
kitfox-lis
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Ray, that will be an enormous help.
Kind Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing locker
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
>
> Graeme,
>
> I have a Model 1 with wing tanks, Let me scan the appropriate pages from
> the manual and I'll email them to you. Might be a day or so, lots of
stuff
> going on here.
>
> Ray Kurian
> raykurian@earthlink.net
> KitFox Model 1
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing locker
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> >
> > Hi , I am rebuilding a Mk 1 in Australia and cant find info about
> converting the wing locker into a fuel tank. Can anyone tell me if this
mod
> is approved and if so where can I get plans or detail on how to go about
it.
> Hope someone can help as its impossible to get info down here about
anything
> Kitfox related.
> >
> > Regards
> > Graeme
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Yes Dee I have and I have to say I not impressed. Im in Australia and being
that far away is obviously not cost effective to assist. Thanks for the help
and I am getting a good response from he people on the Kitfox list.
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing plan
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
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> Have you tried Skystar, maybe they can help.
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> Dee Young
> Model II N345DY
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> >From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing plan
> >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:19:09 +1000
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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> >Hi, can anyone help me out with a plan for the left and right wing on a
> >Mk1 that shows wing tank and bracing configuration.
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> >Cheers
> >Graeme
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| Subject: | Skystar - My observations as of last week - was wing |
plan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hi Phil, I am sorry about your bad experience at Skystar. Their lack of
enthusiasm about having you there may have been because you were not
actually there to write a check. After all, the plane you had was already
paid for. I sure hope they don't treat prospective sales like they did you,
either.
Anyway, you can depend on this list to give you very good quality support
for your project. Just ask, and you will have answers.
Don Pearsall
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