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1. 02:45 AM - Re: Tube & rags (michel)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: Hand Bitten - Let's drop it... (Allan Mantell)
3. 07:03 AM - SkyStar Skunkwerkz ()
4. 07:10 AM - Re: SkyStar Skunkwerkz (flier)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: Skystar and their service. (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: SkyStar Skunkwerkz (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Texas Fox Flyers (FHowes@aol.com)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Carb flange (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
9. 02:27 PM - Re: Carb flange (flier)
10. 04:41 PM - Re: Carb flange (Jay Fabian)
11. 05:20 PM - Re: Carb flange (neflyer48)
12. 06:23 PM - Re: Carb flange (Jay Fabian)
13. 07:04 PM - Re: Carb flange (Flier)
14. 07:38 PM - Re: Texas KitFoxes Re: Norm & Herb (Norm Beauchamp)
15. 11:48 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From Scott McClintock
>Michel,
>Ever hear of a Glastar.
I didn't but now I do. Thanks, Scott. Looks great. Now, I wonder if it is
possible to have such a plane under the MTOW of 450 kg, which is the European
limit for microlights.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Bitten - Let's drop it... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Mantell" <wb2ssj@earthlink.net>
AMEN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hand Bitten - Let's drop it...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I vote we all drop the Skystar Good, Skystar Bad discussion.
>
> We all have our opinions. Plenty have been aired over the last few days.
> Enough said. Back to tech & flying discussions.
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | SkyStar Skunkwerkz |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rex@awarenest.com>
Check this out!
Go to aero-news and look for the "Screw Sport Pilot"
link - http://www.aero-news.net
<Full direct link>
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=7d1cc9e3-ef1b-4efc-b0b1-902f64bdadf0&
Rex
Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: SkyStar Skunkwerkz |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Is that for real or just an April-fools joke???
--- Original Message ---
From: <rex@awarenest.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar Skunkwerkz
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
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>
>Check this out!
> Go to aero-news and look for the "Screw Sport
Pilot"
>link - http://www.aero-news.net
>
><Full direct link>
>http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?
ContentBlockID=7d1cc9e3-ef1b-4efc-b0b1-902f64bdadf0&
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>Rex
>Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar and their service. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I think I might chime in here.
I have many thoughts about Skystar and their business operation. My
personal experience has been for the most part positive, I won't get into
details. But I wonder about the disparity of experiences. An observer
might wonder if the posts of late are regarding the same company.
Please don't take any of the following personally - anyone, because I am
not privy to anyone's interchange with Skystar, but last week ( I am a
dentist) a patient - new to the office - came in and on his New Patient
Form, under the question "Is their anything about your teeth or smile that
you are unhappy with?", he wrote, "I don't like you guys" I doubt he really
meant it and was probably trying to be funny in what to him was possibly a
stressful situation, but it didn't endear me to him, and I am afraid that it
may continue to affect my feeling for him in the future. We treated him
exactly - outwardly - as we would any other patient, but frankly, I am not
looking forward to his next visit.
On the fun side check out:
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=7d1cc9e3-ef1b-4efc-b0b1-90
2f64bdadf0
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jud & Clarissa Parker" <c210rg@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar and their service.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jud & Clarissa Parker
<c210rg@comcast.net>
>
> I hope you all don't mind, but I too would like to relate some
> feelings toward Skystar. I received my kit in june of 95,
> it took 5 1/2 years to build. With 4 children and a job in which I
> travel alot and work 60 to 90 hours a week I was lucky
> to finish it that soon. Many thanks to my wife for all her help. We
> did put about 2500 hours into it. I have been flying now for
> over 3 years, so I have dealt with Skystar for over 8 1/2 years. I
> guess what I'm saying is that I've got some history with them.
> During that time of building I called so much they knew my voice.
> They had to replace several large parts in my kit and never
> questioned me as to whether or not it was needed. During the past 3
> years they have come to my rescue many times. (Thanks John)
> About 6 weeks ago while doing my annual I found a crack in my
> exhaust. I called Dave and he said to send it in. I figured it
> would be weeks before I saw it. He received it thursday afternoon,
> called me on friday and said it was ready to go. I got it
> monday morning. I have had many good experiences with them. Another
> happy camper.
>
> Jud and Clarissa Parker,
> Red Series 5, 912 xtra
>
> Clint Bazzill wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
<clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
> >
> >I have to tell you a little story. I have been reading the mail about
Skystar and their service etc. Here is my story.
> >
> > I had to annual (condition inspection) my plane and was starting it
Sunday. I found broken brackets on my oil cooler. 950 hours on plane. It was
possible to cut the bad tabs and reweld but I thought I could call Skystar
and order 2 new ones this was Monday morning. Guess what,they didn't have
any in stock. Dave asked me if I needed them powder coated and I said no and
got a good discount. He said that he would have them made up and shipped
ground. I said ok, called back today, Wednesday and he said that they were
finished the day that I called and were already shipped and gave me a
shipping number. I called and it looked like they would be here Saturday and
thought that was great. I went to the store a little while ago and when I
got back, guess what was sitting on my porch. New brackets for my oil
cooler. I have always had good luck with Skystar, lets
> > not be too harsh on their service.
> >
> >One happy Camper. Clint Bazzill Model IV-1200 912ULS 950 hours.
> > All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by
ESPN.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SkyStar Skunkwerkz |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
What Day is it Folks, 1 April, 2004
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Fox Flyers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: FHowes@aol.com
In a message dated 3/29/04 7:20:05 AM Central Standard Time, nebchmp@wcc.net
writes:
There is something I've been thinking about for sometime, and that is a
Texas gathering of Fox Flyers. I know there are several,
Where are you located Norm? We have 3 Foxes flying and 2 more building in
the Austin area. Think a gathering would be great.
Fred Howes
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
california power systems, acs, and others.
all at a cost 2-400 rpm. make your choice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
> I am doing my annual inspection and found the new service bulletin about the
> carb flange. I checked it and low and behold it was ripped halfway through. I
> never noticed any high temps or rpm problems on the last few flights. I have
the
> carbs supported with the extra springs , and I also have the 5 1/2" offset K+N
> filters.
>
> The filter on that side had hit the motor mount a few times due to had starts
or
> stops.
> Does anyone know where I can get the smaller 2"x 3" carb filters?? I cannot find
> a listing for them anywhere, but have seen them on other Kitfoxs before.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Fabian, 4-1200 912UL
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I have to agree with John.
Why not go with the more robust carb flanges and stay
with the pancake filters? The replacement flanges
are significantly tougher than the stock ones. It'd
be hard to tear them...
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
>california power systems, acs, and others.
>
>all at a cost 2-400 rpm. make your choice
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>>
>> I am doing my annual inspection and found the new
service bulletin about the
>> carb flange. I checked it and low and behold it
was ripped halfway through. I
>> never noticed any high temps or rpm problems on
the last few flights. I have the
>> carbs supported with the extra springs , and I
also have the 5 1/2" offset K+N
>> filters.
>>
>> The filter on that side had hit the motor mount a
few times due to had starts or
>> stops.
>> Does anyone know where I can get the smaller 2"x
3" carb filters?? I cannot find
>> a listing for them anywhere, but have seen them on
other Kitfoxs before.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jay Fabian, 4-1200 912UL
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi Ted,
I did not get Johns info, but I did buy a new type flange. It is the same
dimensions all around , so how is it going to be any better than before? I
hope it is tougher, at $78.00 each. Plus, Lockwood told me they were not
getting any new ones in for a while, but the old style is the EXACT same as
the new editions, except it has a small spacer built in as to not let you
over tighten the carb onto the flange.
I also checked CPSand did not find the small filters listed for the 912?
Thanks anyway
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have to agree with John.
>
> Why not go with the more robust carb flanges and stay
> with the pancake filters? The replacement flanges
> are significantly tougher than the stock ones. It'd
> be hard to tear them...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
> --- Original Message ---
> From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> >california power systems, acs, and others.
> >
> >all at a cost 2-400 rpm. make your choice
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> I am doing my annual inspection and found the new
> service bulletin about the
> >> carb flange. I checked it and low and behold it
> was ripped halfway through. I
> >> never noticed any high temps or rpm problems on
> the last few flights. I have the
> >> carbs supported with the extra springs , and I
> also have the 5 1/2" offset K+N
> >> filters.
> >>
> >> The filter on that side had hit the motor mount a
> few times due to had starts or
> >> stops.
> >> Does anyone know where I can get the smaller 2"x
> 3" carb filters?? I cannot find
> >> a listing for them anywhere, but have seen them on
> other Kitfoxs before.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Jay Fabian, 4-1200 912UL
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
I took the filters off the back of the carbs on my 912 because of the
extra weight throwing the carbs out of the flanges and the filters not
staying on the carbs. I used tie wraps to fasten them to the oil tank
mounting bracket and ran 2" duct hoses from the carbs to the filters. This
has worked fine and takes the stress off the carb flanges.
Jerry Kohles
M3 912
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
To: "Kitfoxlist" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
> I am doing my annual inspection and found the new service bulletin about
the carb flange. I checked it and low and behold it was ripped halfway
through. I never noticed any high temps or rpm problems on the last few
flights. I have the carbs supported with the extra springs , and I also have
the 5 1/2" offset K+N filters.
>
> The filter on that side had hit the motor mount a few times due to had
starts or stops.
> Does anyone know where I can get the smaller 2"x 3" carb filters?? I
cannot find a listing for them anywhere, but have seen them on other Kitfoxs
before.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Fabian, 4-1200 912UL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
What did you use to connect the hose to the filter? Some kind of 2" aluminum
tube?
That sounds like a great idea.
Thanks
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
>
> I took the filters off the back of the carbs on my 912 because of the
> extra weight throwing the carbs out of the flanges and the filters not
> staying on the carbs. I used tie wraps to fasten them to the oil tank
> mounting bracket and ran 2" duct hoses from the carbs to the filters. This
> has worked fine and takes the stress off the carb flanges.
>
> Jerry Kohles
> M3 912
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> To: "Kitfoxlist" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:00 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >
> > I am doing my annual inspection and found the new service bulletin
about
> the carb flange. I checked it and low and behold it was ripped halfway
> through. I never noticed any high temps or rpm problems on the last few
> flights. I have the carbs supported with the extra springs , and I also
have
> the 5 1/2" offset K+N filters.
> >
> > The filter on that side had hit the motor mount a few times due to had
> starts or stops.
> > Does anyone know where I can get the smaller 2"x 3" carb filters?? I
> cannot find a listing for them anywhere, but have seen them on other
Kitfoxs
> before.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay Fabian, 4-1200 912UL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Here's a message Lowell Fitt sent to Ed back in 2000. These are the flanges
I purchased. Maybe they don't sell'em anymore but they were markedly better
than the originals. Heavier material and thicker in the neck. And they
WERE only $35/ea.
---------snip--------------
Ed, California Power Systems sells an after market Carb Flange. I have one
as a spare. I can't remember the cost, but I think somewhere around $35.
Their Number is 1-800 Airwolf.
Lowell
Ed McManus wrote:
> There is an alternate supplier for the Bing carb flange besides Rotax,
> however I lost the message and can't find it in the archives. Does
> anyone remember?.......................thanks................Ed McManus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay Fabian
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi Ted,
I did not get Johns info, but I did buy a new type flange. It is the same
dimensions all around , so how is it going to be any better than before? I
hope it is tougher, at $78.00 each. Plus, Lockwood told me they were not
getting any new ones in for a while, but the old style is the EXACT same as
the new editions, except it has a small spacer built in as to not let you
over tighten the carb onto the flange.
I also checked CPSand did not find the small filters listed for the 912?
Thanks anyway
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have to agree with John.
>
> Why not go with the more robust carb flanges and stay
> with the pancake filters? The replacement flanges
> are significantly tougher than the stock ones. It'd
> be hard to tear them...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
> --- Original Message ---
> From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb flange
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> >california power systems, acs, and others.
> >
> >all at a cost 2-400 rpm. make your choice
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> I am doing my annual inspection and found the new
> service bulletin about the
> >> carb flange. I checked it and low and behold it
> was ripped halfway through. I
> >> never noticed any high temps or rpm problems on
> the last few flights. I have the
> >> carbs supported with the extra springs , and I
> also have the 5 1/2" offset K+N
> >> filters.
> >>
> >> The filter on that side had hit the motor mount a
> few times due to had starts or
> >> stops.
> >> Does anyone know where I can get the smaller 2"x
> 3" carb filters?? I cannot find
> >> a listing for them anywhere, but have seen them on
> other Kitfoxs before.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Jay Fabian, 4-1200 912UL
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Texas KitFoxes Re: Norm & Herb |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Scott in Nome,
Will do.
Norm.
Scott McClintock wrote: in part
snip
> Stay in touch
> Scott in Nome
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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