Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:28 AM - Re: Wing locker (Ray Kurian)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Model IV performance (Lowell Fitt)
3. 07:46 AM - Kifox Trailer PRICE REDUCTION (N35LS@aol.com)
4. 08:45 AM - Website Update - Big Tires (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
5. 09:12 AM - epoxy (Bill Pleso)
6. 09:16 AM - tailspring (Bill Pleso)
7. 10:25 AM - Holy Molly...... (hausding, sid)
8. 11:39 AM - OT: European Kitfox experience (Michel Verheughe)
9. 12:23 PM - Re: tailspring (Fox5flyer)
10. 12:27 PM - Re: OT: European Kitfox experience (Fox5flyer)
11. 01:34 PM - Re: tailspring (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
12. 02:06 PM - Homemade ANR Headphones, idea (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
13. 06:02 PM - Situation at Skystar (anation)
14. 06:05 PM - Re: Situation at Skystar (Steve Cooper)
15. 06:07 PM - 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (John Banes)
16. 06:11 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (Steve Cooper)
17. 06:24 PM - Re: Situation at Skystar (Arthur Nation)
18. 06:25 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (Marc Arseneault)
19. 06:32 PM - Re: Layout of my email's on the list (Marc Arseneault)
20. 06:38 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (John E. King)
21. 06:51 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (Jay Fabian)
22. 07:05 PM - Re: tailspring (Bob Unternaehrer)
23. 07:33 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (Jay & Beverly Carter)
24. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Layout of my email's on the list (Don Pearsall)
25. 09:09 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (JMCBEAN)
26. 09:11 PM - Fitch catalysts (Shane Sather)
27. 09:37 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step (JMCBEAN)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
Graeme,
Sorry I haven't been able to get back to you sooner. I'll be able to scan
those pages today. I've been out of town on business.
Ray Kurian
raykurian@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing locker
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Hi Ray, I was wondering if there is any chance of you sending the scan of
> the wing section. We are needing confirmation of the bracing before work
can
> proceed further. I'd love to see a picture of your plan if you have one
> available.
>
> Regards
> Graeme Toft
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing locker
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian"
<raykurian@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Graeme,
> >
> > I have a Model 1 with wing tanks, Let me scan the appropriate pages
from
> > the manual and I'll email them to you. Might be a day or so, lots of
> stuff
> > going on here.
> >
> > Ray Kurian
> > raykurian@earthlink.net
> > KitFox Model 1
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing locker
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> > >
> > > Hi , I am rebuilding a Mk 1 in Australia and cant find info about
> > converting the wing locker into a fuel tank. Can anyone tell me if this
> mod
> > is approved and if so where can I get plans or detail on how to go about
> it.
> > Hope someone can help as its impossible to get info down here about
> anything
> > Kitfox related.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Graeme
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV performance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Paul, He had the GSC. It was pitched for cruise, as I recall, but he
climbed well also. About the weights, I don't know. He had the spring gear
which adds a few pounds, but no fairings.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model IV performance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Hi Lowell:
>
> I'm curious what kind of prop this gentleman was running in comparison to
> the rest of the group? Could that have something to do with it too?
Also,
> do you think his empty weight was significantly lower than others?
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Model IV performance
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > We had a great opportunity weather wise Saturday and took the
opportunity
> to fly as a group of five over Yosemite valley. and to Pine Mountain Lake
> for lunch. Great viewing over the valley and took a bunch of video. Lots
> of snow confused the camera a bit, but I think that part is fixable.
> >
> > The performance part has to do with a Model IV that joined the group
for
> the first time. It is a Speedster with the long wings - 912 UL. The
> builder opted to not shorten the wing span. He had none of the Speedster
> fairings except the Speedster vertical stabilizer and rudder ribs and gap
> closure. In other words no strut fairings, no wheel pants and no radiator
> shroud. He did have the electric trim.
> >
> > In short, his airplane is a real goer. The only conclusion I could make
> is that the electric trim - not having to use flaperon trim for pitch
> control - is a real advantage cruise wise. It may cost a little and take
> some build time. But it will add a bunch to performance. I was surprised.
> Because of the bare lift struts, I expected him to be the cruise speed
> determinant for the group (we fly at the speed of the slowest airplane).
> Not so. He could easily make over 100 in cruise. I don't know his
maximum
> cruise, but his engine was running in the low fives as we flew.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Kifox Trailer PRICE REDUCTION |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: N35LS@aol.com
I've reduced the price of the Kitfox trailer to $1200, I live in N.
California, can still deliver for costs.
Kevin Johnson
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| Subject: | Website Update - Big Tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I added a tire change page to my website after swapping my
600-6 tires for 850-6's last weekend.
http://www.aselia.com/jshays/tires/index.htm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
I have two more questions. First, has anyone used the T-88 epoxy instead of
the 3M that Skystar supplies, and if so, were you happy with the results? Second
question is that I was wondering about the Pacific NorthWest vortex generators.
Is anyone out there using them? If so, how do you compare the performance
with and without? Also, was it a good company to deal with?
Bill
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
I forgot to include a third question in my last e-mail. Since I have to get
a tailspring, I was wondering if anyone has tried a longer one to increase the
wheel base? If so, did it seem to help the ground handling?
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Holy Molly...... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
My most recent kitfox forum messages got deleted and I have lost several
addresses and contacts.....
Oops, another senior moment!
If you are expecting money, cars, gold, or free anything from me then please
resubmit your addresses or contact numbers.............Thank you,
most humbly,
Hausding, Sid
989-356-0048
sidh@charter.net
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| Subject: | OT: European Kitfox experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Things you find on the Internet!
Here is a Frenchman who got ripped off trying to buy a Kitfox from an Italian.
http://perso.club-internet.fr/herve_t/ULM-Histo-Kitfox1_UK.htm
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I did. I used the Grove tailwheel spring that sets the tailwheel about 2"
farther aft. I didn't do it for ground handling, but for cg considerations.
Every little bit helps. As for ground handling, if the kitfox is set up
geometricly correct (main gear being neutral) it should track straight as an
arrow.
Darrel
> Builders,
> I forgot to include a third question in my last e-mail. Since I have
to get a tailspring, I was wondering if anyone has tried a longer one to
increase the wheel base? If so, did it seem to help the ground handling?
> Bill
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: European Kitfox experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Poor guy. That would cause a bad mood that might take awhile to recover
from.
DM
> Things you find on the Internet!
> Here is a Frenchman who got ripped off trying to buy a Kitfox from an
Italian.
>
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/herve_t/ULM-Histo-Kitfox1_UK.htm
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I'd agree with Darrel on this, my series 5 track's perfectly straight
and is just right as far as sensitivity goes. I did get to "try" taxiing
Ron Liebmann's early model Kitfox, and only Ron's fast feet kept us on the
taxiway ... I think in this case the ratio of tailwheel to rudder was
much faster than I'm used to.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Fox5flyer morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailspring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I did. I used the Grove tailwheel spring that sets the tailwheel about 2"
farther aft. I didn't do it for ground handling, but for cg considerations.
Every little bit helps. As for ground handling, if the kitfox is set up
geometricly correct (main gear being neutral) it should track straight as an
arrow.
Darrel
> Builders,
> I forgot to include a third question in my last e-mail. Since I have
to get a tailspring, I was wondering if anyone has tried a longer one to
increase the wheel base? If so, did it seem to help the ground handling?
> Bill
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Homemade ANR Headphones, idea |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Just noticed that there's a new trend in stereo headphones, for
traveller's, etc. Which is ANR stereo headphones. And they're very
cheap.
Has anybody thought about taking the ANR electronics from for instance
Panasonics RP-HC70 ANR headphones, and adapting them to their aviation
headsets?
The RP-HC70's can be purchased for around $35-40 and have electronic
noise reduction circuitry built-in. It seems doable if the impedance
is close.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Situation at Skystar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: anation <anation@w-link.net>
To the List:
The enclosed files contain the result of my complaint to the Idaho State
Attorney General regarding my b/o dating from August 2002.
Arthur Nation
Tacoma, WA
partial S7 kit
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| Subject: | Re: Situation at Skystar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
the list stripped your attachment Arthur.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "anation" <anation@w-link.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Situation at Skystar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: anation <anation@w-link.net>
>
>
> To the List:
>
> The enclosed files contain the result of my complaint to the Idaho State
> Attorney General regarding my b/o dating from August 2002.
>
> Arthur Nation
> Tacoma, WA
> partial S7 kit
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Bombardier no longer recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their
"highly" recommended oil for use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell
Advance VSX 4) is not available in the US. So what are you 912S drivers
using when you are running both leaded and unleaded fuels? I just received
a case of Castrol's GPS. Should I use it or sell it to a motorcycle
enthusiast?
Does anyone know of a source for an aluminum step that can be bolted to
Grove speing gear?
Thanks in advance,
John Banes
S-6 912S
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
No help on the oil...but can you fabricate a tube step that mounts to the
weldaments along the bottom stringers?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
>
>
> Bombardier no longer recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their
> "highly" recommended oil for use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell
> Advance VSX 4) is not available in the US. So what are you 912S drivers
> using when you are running both leaded and unleaded fuels? I just
received
> a case of Castrol's GPS. Should I use it or sell it to a motorcycle
> enthusiast?
>
> Does anyone know of a source for an aluminum step that can be bolted to
> Grove speing gear?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John Banes
> S-6 912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Situation at Skystar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
List
It appears that the PDF files attached to my posting have been stripped off. I
will try to attach as a text file or other. If anyone would like to have this
sent to your personal address, just e-mail your request.
Arthur
On Tuesday 06 April 2004 16:49, anation wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: anation <anation@w-link.net>
>
>
> To the List:
>
> The enclosed files contain the result of my complaint to the Idaho State
> Attorney General regarding my b/o dating from August 2002.
>
> Arthur Nation
> Tacoma, WA
> partial S7 kit
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Hi John,
I knowthe Shell oil isavailable in Canada. If you want I can purchase it and ship
it to you but I first would have to look into what are the shipping regulations
for oil when exporting to US and what would be the shipping costs. Let me
know if you are interested.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "John Banes" johnbanes@adelphia.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
"Kitfox list - Matronics" kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S
Oil and Landing Gear Step Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:12:39 -0400 -- Kitfox-List
message posted by: "John Banes" johnbanes@adelphia.net Bombardier no longer
recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their "highly" recommended oil for
use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell Advance VSX 4) is not available in the
US. So what are you 912S drivers using when you are running both leaded and
unleaded fuels? I jus
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| Subject: | RE: Layout of my email's on the list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
I just read my email that I sent concerning the Shell oil and I can't figure out
why there are missing spaces between the words. When I am typing it out and
reading it over, all the spaces are at the proper places. Any advice would be
appreciated!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil
and Landing Gear Step Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:25:44 -0400 -- Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Marc Arseneault" northernultralights@hotmail.com Hi John, I knowthe
Shell oil isavailable in Canada. If you want I can purchase it and ship
it to you but I first would have to look into what are the shipping regulations
for oil when exporting to US and what would be the shipping costs. Let me know
if you are intere
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
John,
I have always used Honda GN4 oil in both my Kitfox's (912UL & 912ULS).
I use both leaded and unleaded fuels and when I use 100LL I add TCP to
the fuel. The GN4 has a gear box additive that Rotax recommends.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
John Banes wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
>
>
>Bombardier no longer recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their
>"highly" recommended oil for use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell
>Advance VSX 4) is not available in the US. So what are you 912S drivers
>using when you are running both leaded and unleaded fuels? I just received
>a case of Castrol's GPS. Should I use it or sell it to a motorcycle
>enthusiast?
>
>Does anyone know of a source for an aluminum step that can be bolted to
>Grove speing gear?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Banes
>S-6 912S
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
John,
I use the Yamaha oil 20w-40 , it is called Yamalube. It also has gear box
additives, for the 4 stroke motors.
Jay Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> John,
>
> I have always used Honda GN4 oil in both my Kitfox's (912UL & 912ULS).
> I use both leaded and unleaded fuels and when I use 100LL I add TCP to
> the fuel. The GN4 has a gear box additive that Rotax recommends.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> John Banes wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
> >
> >
> >Bombardier no longer recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their
> >"highly" recommended oil for use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell
> >Advance VSX 4) is not available in the US. So what are you 912S drivers
> >using when you are running both leaded and unleaded fuels? I just
received
> >a case of Castrol's GPS. Should I use it or sell it to a motorcycle
> >enthusiast?
> >
> >Does anyone know of a source for an aluminum step that can be bolted to
> >Grove speing gear?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >John Banes
> >S-6 912S
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Can't imagine a longer tailspring doing anything for the type of ground
handling problems that really cause problems,,,, that is those after you
have rudder control or as you slow down and slowly loose rudder control,,,
unless you move the rudder back further also, and thats not practical is it.
Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: tailspring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
> I forgot to include a third question in my last e-mail. Since I have
to get a tailspring, I was wondering if anyone has tried a longer one to
increase the wheel base? If so, did it seem to help the ground handling?
> Bill
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" <valley361@centurytel.net>
John,
I had thought about calling Grove and suggesting a bolt on step and
a jackpad for the gear.
Jay C.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Marc, I guess you are just spacing out.
After you write the entire message, try resizing the window your message is
in. If it STILL looks good when you review it, but the spaces are missing
when you read it via the list, then something is altering the message
between your computer and the list server. I don't know what that could be,
as no one else has that problem. Does it happen when you send emails to
other addresses?
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
John,
Honda GN4
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Banes
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
Bombardier no longer recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their
"highly" recommended oil for use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell
Advance VSX 4) is not available in the US. So what are you 912S drivers
using when you are running both leaded and unleaded fuels? I just received
a case of Castrol's GPS. Should I use it or sell it to a motorcycle
enthusiast?
Does anyone know of a source for an aluminum step that can be bolted to
Grove speing gear?
Thanks in advance,
John Banes
S-6 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
Hello List
Has anyone had any experience with fuel catalysts. I have been reading up about
this Fitch brand and it sure sound great.
The reason I may consider something like this is that the fuel around here is only
87 octane (regular gas) and I need at least 91. I am also looking into octane
boosters and even shipping up premium gas. So I thought I would throw this
fuel catalysts idea out to the list.
Shane...... and it is still cold here -30 last night but maybe -12 by Saturday.
We can hope!
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| Subject: | 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
John,
Where are you getting TCP ? I have had some on order with Aircraft Spruce
for 7 months now. I have had no luck in finding an alternative.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John E. King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Landing Gear Step
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
John,
I have always used Honda GN4 oil in both my Kitfox's (912UL & 912ULS).
I use both leaded and unleaded fuels and when I use 100LL I add TCP to
the fuel. The GN4 has a gear box additive that Rotax recommends.
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John King
Warrenton, VA
John Banes wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <johnbanes@adelphia.net>
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>Bombardier no longer recommends Castrol GPS oil for the 912S. Their
>"highly" recommended oil for use with leaded and unleaded fuels (Shell
>Advance VSX 4) is not available in the US. So what are you 912S drivers
>using when you are running both leaded and unleaded fuels? I just received
>a case of Castrol's GPS. Should I use it or sell it to a motorcycle
>enthusiast?
>
>Does anyone know of a source for an aluminum step that can be bolted to
>Grove speing gear?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Banes
>S-6 912S
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