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1. 06:46 AM - GPS & Autopilot (Clifford Begnaud)
2. 07:52 AM - Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 07:55 AM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (Michel Verheughe)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR (kurt schrader)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR (Dcecil3@aol.com)
6. 09:07 AM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (kurt schrader)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops (Steve Zakreski)
8. 09:24 AM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (Steve Zakreski)
9. 09:30 AM - Re: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops (kurt schrader)
10. 09:37 AM - Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (kurt schrader)
12. 10:03 AM - Re: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops (Jeff Smathers)
13. 10:04 AM - Mike Bergstrum (nealscherm@comcast.net)
14. 10:19 AM - epoxy (Bill Pleso)
15. 10:44 AM - Question Foxers (Steve Cooper)
16. 11:04 AM - Re: NSI Turbo oil breather (kurt schrader)
17. 11:14 AM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (Clifford Begnaud)
18. 11:24 AM - Re: Question Foxers (kurt schrader)
19. 11:35 AM - Re: epoxy (John E. King)
20. 02:09 PM - Re: Getting the "Alaska" CD's........ (Grant Fluent)
21. 02:42 PM - Re: Question Foxers (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
22. 03:32 PM - Re: Question Foxers (daniel johnson)
23. 03:54 PM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (Bruce Lina)
24. 06:00 PM - Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR (Vic Jacko)
25. 07:28 PM - Re: Question Foxers (Kirk's Welding)
26. 07:35 PM - Re: Air Speed (Jim Burke)
27. 07:59 PM - Re: Kurt Schrader (kurt schrader)
28. 08:39 PM - Re: Air Speed (kurt schrader)
29. 08:42 PM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (Jud & Clarissa Parker)
30. 09:07 PM - Re: Question Foxers (Bruce Harrington)
31. 09:29 PM - Re: Question Foxers (jimshumaker)
32. 09:35 PM - Re: GPS & Autopilot (jimshumaker)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
We're thinking about getting a new gps (handheld) and possibly even an
autopilot (single axis).
One of the items that seem worth considering is the Anywhere Map and their
competition.
I seem to remember that some people have concerns about using this product
in turbulent conditions, so I'm looking for input from people that have
experience with this. Also, it seems that the text used on the display is
very small and would require me to put on my glasses. Is it possible to
increase text size for things like Bearing, distance, track, etc?
One the appealing things about this unit is the ability to add the Attitude
indicator to it. This would be a nice safety/emergency item as I don't have
an attitude indicator now and don't want to add a vacuum system.
How reliable are these units? Can they connect to an autopilot?
The new Garmin 296 sure looks nice, but is sooo expensive. I also like the
new Lowrance 1000 which offers lots of bang for the buck. I currently have
the Airmap 100 and have been very happy with it, but now I want something
with a bigger screen.
Instead of spending the money on the Anywhere map with attitude indicator
($2200) I could just get a nice GPS and spend a little more on the Autopilot
and let it bail me out if I get in trouble. I'm sure an Autopilot can fly in
poor vis a lot better than I can ;-)
Anybody have any experience with the Digitrak autopilot or the Navaid?
Thanks for your help,
Cliff
Kitfox 5, Lyc 0-235
Erie, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Had My first Meeting with the DAR for Virginia Yesterday. I also got an
> education about buying a kit that had been damaged and built by another
> person
David,
Where do you live in Virginia. I'm at PHF (Newport News)
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: GPS & Autopilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
> We're thinking about getting a new gps (handheld) and possibly even an
> autopilot (single axis).
Hello Cliff,
I bought a very simple and very cheap Garmin GPS72 because it has a rather
large wind rose as head-up display. At 56, I also need glasses and I like large
displays. But there is more to it.
The Microlight rule over here is very strict, don't even think IFR. We can't
even fly "on top." However, as Norway is a mountainous country with deep
valleys we call fjords, there is always to possibility to meet a lowering
ceiling and end up in a cul-de-sac. At that time, there is only one rule which
is the 4 Cs, Climb, Communicate, Confess and Comply.
Like you, I don't have any gyroscopic instruments and once in a cloud, I'll end
up in the feared "dead spiral." Yes, some Norwegian microlights have an
electrical turn coordinator, even artificial horizon. But I have none as I
don't intend to come close any cloud.
Should I be so unlucky to meet one against my will, I have the maybe naive
belief that I could keep a straight course, looking only at my GPS head-up display.
To test that, I use my flight simulator where my Kitfox is reproduced with all
the instruments at the right place. I can't simulate the GPS head-up display so
I use the head-up gyro compass. Yes, I know, a gyro responds faster that the
GPS that has to integrated a course from many satellite reading and position
finding. There is a slight delay. Yet, I believe I could feel if I enter a left
of right bank.
It works fine with the simulator set on 0.2 NM visibility. It is tiring but feasible.
As for an autopilot, I have one that is 31 years old, his name is Sebastian and
I love him very much. He is our son! :-)
He doesn't have a licence yet but has been flying with me enough that I feel I
could let him fly solo, if I was an instructor. It is such a comfort to have
him with me in the air. Not only can he keep a course and altitude but he can
also keep a conversation. :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
It could be worse,
Two weeks ago a friend that I work with crashed in his
MIG 17 going from ABQ to PHX. He had a parachute, but
the ejection seat was disabled per instructions from
the FAA, so I am told. The MIG seat was considered
"unsafe", so he was obliged to fly his jet with only a
chute, or not fly it. Was that safer? It is nearly
impossible to crawl out of a disabled jet. He didn't
make it.
This was a very expensive lesson. But I am sure "they
just wanted to help".
Kurt S.
--- Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
>
> Had My first Meeting with the DAR for Virginia
> Yesterday. I also got an education ....
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| Subject: | Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Don
I'm in Franklin Co. Near Roanoke. Brooks Smith is the DAR that Came by to see
my Plane. He's going the extra mile to try to get Richmond FISDO to accept
the Kitfox as being in the "Starting from scratch" State. The completed left
wing was a question but I explained that Skystar offers it to the point of
covering as a quick build option so he seems to think it will be OK. I told him
that
other than a few control Subassemblies that I'll have to take apart to sand
blast and repaint the Kitfox is pretty much the way it was as shipped from
Denny Aerocraft.Lets hope FISDO agrees. He was optimistic but warned me that the
good Ol FAA doesn't always do what you think they will. I should have an answer
by Wed.
Best David Cecil
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| Subject: | Re: GPS & Autopilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
In this day and age when model aircraft, especially
helos, have very light weight and low power
consumption stabilization systems, and even
autopilots, I wish someone would adapt this technology
to experimental aircraft. It is all there and doesn't
need to cost so much, weigh so much, or draw so much
power. IMHO
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Kurt, the wing strut fairings alone will get you to 100 knots. They make a
BIG difference on Kitfoxes flying in that speed range.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Jeff,
You are just a little ahead of me on this. I am
roughing out a scoop for my S-5 radiator right now,
but it will be at least a month before I can fly it
again and post results. Too many irons in th fire
right now.
Some have had no noticable speed gain from their
radiator scoops. I think it is because there is no
extention of the scoop behind their radiators leaving
that rear air still disturbed. I would think that you
should get 5-10 kts from a good scoop design and
better cooling in flight, but I haven't done the math
or tested it yet. The thing is just a big speed brake
down there now and the air would rather go around it
in a big wave than thru it. It rates about 1 sq ft of
flat plate area, but more due to the fuselage
interference above.
My radiator hangs entirely below the cowl. Yours
might be half covered by the rear cowl area and not be
as draggy. Results may vary.
Right now my S-5 cruises at about 80 knots at 6 gph
and tops out at 95 kts. With scoop, wing strut
fairings and other smaller fairings, I hope to see 100
kts (115 mph) at 6 gph. It's a goal...
Kurt S.
--- Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> What is the approximate speed consequence of leaving
> my Kitfox 5
> water radiator 6" x 24" x 5" for my NSI Subaru
> EA-81 out in the
> slip stream uncowled? Right now I am getting about
> 75-80 kts at cruise, and was expecting more.....
>
> I figured about 5 - 7 Hp is being consumed with an
> estimated drag
> coeffecient of 1.3 to 1.5 at 75kts. am I close?
>
> I know some of you have cowled yours in.
>
> Thanks, Jeff Smathers
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Kurt have you looked at http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS & Autopilot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
In this day and age when model aircraft, especially
helos, have very light weight and low power
consumption stabilization systems, and even
autopilots, I wish someone would adapt this technology
to experimental aircraft. It is all there and doesn't
need to cost so much, weigh so much, or draw so much
power. IMHO
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Steve,
I think you get a little more speed from your IV than
I will get from my V on the same power/FF. It needs
more cleaning up to do as well as a IV. I remember
when you got such a burst of speed, performance, and
enthusiasm from installing your fairings....
If I can get 10 knots from strut fairings and 10 knots
from a good scoop like Rick's, I will be happy with
that. Then some smaller fairings plus wheel fairings
should put me about where I hope to be. If I go
faster or use less fuel, so much the better.
Kurt S.
--- Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Kurt, the wing strut fairings alone will get you to
> 100 knots. They make a
> BIG difference on Kitfoxes flying in that speed
> range.
>
> SteveZ
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| Subject: | Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 4/11/04 9:04:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dcecil3@aol.com
writes:
> Don
> I'm in Franklin Co. Near Roanoke. Brooks Smith is the DAR that Came by to
> see
> my Plane. He's going the extra mile to try to get Richmond FISDO to accept
>
I used the FISDO people at Richmond and found them quite agreeable and gave
an easy inspection. They were familiar with the Kitfox and it's design which
made the inspection go off without a hitch. They only found one cotter pin not
bent to their satisfaction.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
No Steve. Hadn't seen them before. :-)
The Pictorial Pilot seems about right, though I think
it could cost even less. Perhaps all that required
testing and paperwork drives the prices more than
hardware. I wish it were under $1000.
The very best horizon I have flown with allowed free
movement in all dimentions and gave heading no matter
what your attitude. The attitude indicator had the
heading marked right on it and was shaped like a ball.
It rolled and spun. You could go verticle, up or
down, roll to a new heading and pull out knowing right
where you are. All necessary info on one instrument.
A-4 system. I bet it cost a bundle and needed
expensive repairs, though I never had one go bad. But
then the A-4 autopilot was worthless and I never used
it even once.
One day we will have it all in front of us at an
affordable price, right before pilot are eliminated
from airplanes and RPV's with virtual flying are the
norm. Only us crazy experimenters will be doing the
real thing. Living...
Kurt S.
--- Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Kurt have you looked at
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
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| Subject: | Re: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi Steve,
I have my lift struts faired and I am only getting 75-80 Kts with my
100 hp and variable pitch NSI prop....
Jeff Smathers
Steve Zakreski wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Kurt, the wing strut fairings alone will get you to 100 knots. They make a
> BIG difference on Kitfoxes flying in that speed range.
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
> schrader
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> You are just a little ahead of me on this. I am
> roughing out a scoop for my S-5 radiator right now,
> but it will be at least a month before I can fly it
> again and post results. Too many irons in th fire
> right now.
>
> Some have had no noticable speed gain from their
> radiator scoops. I think it is because there is no
> extention of the scoop behind their radiators leaving
> that rear air still disturbed. I would think that you
> should get 5-10 kts from a good scoop design and
> better cooling in flight, but I haven't done the math
> or tested it yet. The thing is just a big speed brake
> down there now and the air would rather go around it
> in a big wave than thru it. It rates about 1 sq ft of
> flat plate area, but more due to the fuselage
> interference above.
>
> My radiator hangs entirely below the cowl. Yours
> might be half covered by the rear cowl area and not be
> as draggy. Results may vary.
>
> Right now my S-5 cruises at about 80 knots at 6 gph
> and tops out at 95 kts. With scoop, wing strut
> fairings and other smaller fairings, I hope to see 100
> kts (115 mph) at 6 gph. It's a goal...
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What is the approximate speed consequence of leaving
> > my Kitfox 5
> > water radiator 6" x 24" x 5" for my NSI Subaru
> > EA-81 out in the
> > slip stream uncowled? Right now I am getting about
> > 75-80 kts at cruise, and was expecting more.....
> >
> > I figured about 5 - 7 Hp is being consumed with an
> > estimated drag
> > coeffecient of 1.3 to 1.5 at 75kts. am I close?
> >
> > I know some of you have cowled yours in.
> >
> > Thanks, Jeff Smathers
>
> __________________________________
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>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: nealscherm@comcast.net
Hey Mike,
Please send me your shipping address offline.
Thanks,
Neal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
Has anyone out there used the T-88 epoxy rather than the 3-M epoxy supplied by
Sky Star? If so, how would you rate it?
Bill
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
My Avid seems to want to "drop out" during the flair for landing. I'm
crossing the numbers at 65 mph, good glide slope. As I ease the stick back
the bird suddenly wants to drop out. It doesn't seem to follow the
glideslope all the way to landing. I must be doing something wrong...it sure
makes landing the bird VERY tough. Not having any problems once on the
ground...but I find the bird bouncing between the mains and the tailwheel.
It ocilates back and forth a few times until it settles out. Any ideas out
there?
Steve
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| Subject: | NSI Turbo oil breather |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
I am trying to get a handle on just where the back
pressure comes from that causes the burping. My
Chilton's Auto book really doesn't cover oil flow that
well, or I am missing the point.
I was told by another pilot that the valve cover lines
are the only oil returns to the pan, but that doesn't
seem right. They come off the top of the valve
covers, not the bottom. This would fill the valve
covers with incompressable oil driving the oil up the
lines pretty hard, or restrict valve movement. There
should be other oil drains to the pan, like around the
valve push rods to the camshaft and down. Also, mine
doesn't burp if kept a quart low, so pan oil height
makes a difference.
I expected the valve cover air pressure coming out of
the hoses would vent out the seperator/filter, while
the residual oil was supposed to drain down the larger
line to the pan. But I have burped half a quart in
one shot. Either there is more oil coming thru the
hoses than can drain down fast enough, or there is
back pressure on that drain line pushing oil up. I
expect it is pressure from below, but I could be
wrong. My assumption is that the air can not escape
fast enough out those hoses and pressure is vented
down the valve pushrod tubes to the pan driving oil up
the drain line and out the vent.
The solution depends upon the source of the oil back
pressure. If the valve cover lines went directly to
the pan and the pan were vented, it should work, but
there could be a lot of foaming. These lines would
have to empty above the oil level to avoid foaming.
The pan would have to be vented above the oil level
too, which is above the pan's top edge. This is why I
thought of the dipstick hole. Vent the pressure off
the pan too. Unfortunately there are webs in the
engine structure underneath that may trap the air in
several pockets and drive oil up this hole and the
rear hose as well, but the dipstick never pops out due
to excess pressure?
Other solutions: Larger air/oil seperator that can
contain and drain back a quart? Check valves in the
oil lines, if that is the source of oil? Long hose
out the tail and just let the oil level blow out and
run a little low like LYC's and Cont's do? I am of
the mindset that likes to contain the oil and not blow
it away.
The origional Soob design sucked it into the intake
thru the PVC valve, but not a good idea unless you
draw it in before the turbo.
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
> <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Kurt I am pretty tired but I just thought of a few
> things. You crank case is
> vented through both valve covers. The line to the
> pan is a return for any,
> most mist. The line to the pan is not the vent. I
> will check but I think I
> put a post of my setup somewhat borrowed from Tom. I
> moved the returns to
> the side but that really didn't solve the problem of
> the return oil. I am
> back to the rear return. My new pan is custom built
> .090 and holds an extra
> quart, not that makes a difference on the breather
> return.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: GPS & Autopilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Michel,
Thanks for the input. I thought about that, just going with an inexpensive
gps. Any gps will guide the way if you know the coordinates of the
destination but I want all the bells and whistles of a dedicated Aviation
GPS. Right now I'm leaning toward buying the 296 now, then saving up for an
autopilot. But I would really like hear comments on the Anywhere map and
the Digitrak autopilot.
Thanks,
Cliff
do not archive
>
> Hello Cliff,
>
> I bought a very simple and very cheap Garmin GPS72 because it has a rather
> large wind rose as head-up display. At 56, I also need glasses and I like
large
> displays. But there is more to it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Steve,
What happens when you do stalls at altitude? Airspeed
compared to landing speed? Elevator stalling or
running out first? If the elevator stalls first, it
could look like a wing stall with the nose pitching
over first, but the wing is still really flying.
Is the nose dropping thru or can you still pull it up
and the plane just drops in the stall, then the nose
pitches?
If the nose drops, this sounds like the origional
problem with the Cessna Cardnial. It lost elevator
authority in the flair and would pitch over. I think
they lost some nose gears that way.
Where is your flying CG? Same thing if it is too far
forward. The nose drops thru.
Do you have an elevator gap seal?
If the nose is not pitching down causing the drop out,
then you may be stalling. Back to the first question.
What happens at altitude when you stall? Does the
plane drop and then the nose pitch, or does the nose
pitch over first? At what speed compared to landing
speed?
Happy Easter!
Kurt S.
--- Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> My Avid seems to want to "drop out" during the flair
> for landing. I'm
> crossing the numbers at 65 mph, good glide slope. As
> I ease the stick back
> the bird suddenly wants to drop out. It doesn't seem
> to follow the
> glideslope all the way to landing. I must be doing
> something wrong...it sure
> makes landing the bird VERY tough. Not having any
> problems once on the
> ground...but I find the bird bouncing between the
> mains and the tailwheel.
> It ocilates back and forth a few times until it
> settles out. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> Steve
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Bill,
I used T-88 when restoring a PT-19 and it was very good for that wood to
wood application. On a Kitfox you are doing a lot of wood to metal
surfaces and I have no experience with that application. You would
have to check out that application with someone who has done that..
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Bill Pleso wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
>Builders,
> Has anyone out there used the T-88 epoxy rather than the 3-M epoxy supplied by
Sky Star? If so, how would you rate it?
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the "Alaska" CD's........ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hi Sid,
Glad you received the DVD's in good condition. I
forget to mention in my original email to the list
that there is also a picture CD. If you are interested
in that, let me know and I'll put one in a CD mailer
to you. The postage wasn't as much as I thought for
the DVD's so I'll mail the CD for free.
Grant
--- "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid"
> <sidh@charter.net>
>
> Grant,
> The CD's arrived today, Good Friday, and now I have
> your address to send the
> MO........its in the mail now.
> Thank you for the copies, they arrived just fine.
> Good packing job.
>
> Sid
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Steve,
Check the attitude your bird sits on the ground with other Avids. Gear might
be to long or to short
Elbie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je@hotmail.com>
I wouldn't want to make any assumptions about how your plane might differ
from another, but assuming that its the same as other avids and kitfoxes
...a couple of things i've noticed.
This high lift/ high drag wing really decellerates rapidly in the
flare...therefore it can really get ugly if the flare is early. It seems
like the flare in my K3 is an instant event....backpressure levels off the
plane much more quickly than in a heavier airplane...even a 152.
Another couple of ideas to discuss....its a little tough to touch down 3
point with flaps extended more than a little....if you happen to be using
flaps..maybe try without and see if there is a difference.
Also it seems like maybe a CG problem could exist if your bird really is
handling differently from others...oscillations, etc...have you had a chance
to compare with another avids handling?
Just a couple of things to think about...pretty basic stuff..i realize you
may have already been thru these....good luck.
Dan Johnson...columbus ohio
>From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question Foxers
>Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:48:55 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>My Avid seems to want to "drop out" during the flair for landing. I'm
>crossing the numbers at 65 mph, good glide slope. As I ease the stick back
>the bird suddenly wants to drop out. It doesn't seem to follow the
>glideslope all the way to landing. I must be doing something wrong...it
>sure
>makes landing the bird VERY tough. Not having any problems once on the
>ground...but I find the bird bouncing between the mains and the tailwheel.
>It ocilates back and forth a few times until it settles out. Any ideas out
>there?
>
>Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS & Autopilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Cliff, I am currently using the anywhere map gps on my Series 5. I mounted
the IPAQ 3950 display on the instrument panel where an attitude indicator
normally would be, and made it so it easily removed for security if I am
parked somewhere. As far as the anywhere softwhere-- I am amazed at the
amount of data that can be obtained from the system. Easy to use and if you
need big buttons to push they have a rough air mode that puts large function
buttons on your screen. As with anything there are some negatives- The
display is on the small side and is difficult to see in sunny conditions(I
have to remove my sunglasses to see fine details on the screen) I have had
mine for a couple years, so a brighter screen may be available now. Also
another neat feature is that no seperate antenna is required which makes
installation a snap. Bruce Lina
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS & Autopilot
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Michel,
> Thanks for the input. I thought about that, just going with an inexpensive
> gps. Any gps will guide the way if you know the coordinates of the
> destination but I want all the bells and whistles of a dedicated Aviation
> GPS. Right now I'm leaning toward buying the 296 now, then saving up for
an
> autopilot. But I would really like hear comments on the Anywhere map and
> the Digitrak autopilot.
> Thanks,
> Cliff
> do not archive
> >
> > Hello Cliff,
> >
> > I bought a very simple and very cheap Garmin GPS72 because it has a
rather
> > large wind rose as head-up display. At 56, I also need glasses and I
like
> large
> > displays. But there is more to it.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Used Kitfox and the DAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Kurt, I know of the Mig 17 of which you speak. It was parked in our
hanger in Roswell for awhile. I have a picture of it next to my new
airplane if you want I can scan it for you.
Sorry for the loss of your friend
Vic
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Used Kitfox and the DAR
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> It could be worse,
>
> Two weeks ago a friend that I work with crashed in his
> MIG 17 going from ABQ to PHX. He had a parachute, but
> the ejection seat was disabled per instructions from
> the FAA, so I am told. The MIG seat was considered
> "unsafe", so he was obliged to fly his jet with only a
> chute, or not fly it. Was that safer? It is nearly
> impossible to crawl out of a disabled jet. He didn't
> make it.
>
> This was a very expensive lesson. But I am sure "they
> just wanted to help".
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Had My first Meeting with the DAR for Virginia
> > Yesterday. I also got an education ....
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" <kirk@mninter.net>
Steve:
I have a Kitfox Classic IV, and I was doing the same thing until I started
slowing the approach at the very end of the landing sequence. Try this:
once you reach the numbers on the runway, keep slowing your airspeed and try
to keep the plane in the air by keeping the nose up. Don't flare too fast
or you will start the oscillations. Just a little back stick at a time. As
if you are landing in steps. A little back stick, then forward stick, JUST
A LITTLE. The key is very small increments on the stick. You will
eventually land. If it is gusty when you are landing, or if the winds are
10 knots or more, I will add just a bit of power at the very end before I
touch the runway. This will smoothen the touchdown. Then keep practicing.
I works for me, and it only took about 200 hours to get it right.
Kirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question Foxers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> My Avid seems to want to "drop out" during the flair for landing. I'm
> crossing the numbers at 65 mph, good glide slope. As I ease the stick back
> the bird suddenly wants to drop out. It doesn't seem to follow the
> glideslope all the way to landing. I must be doing something wrong...it
sure
> makes landing the bird VERY tough. Not having any problems once on the
> ground...but I find the bird bouncing between the mains and the tailwheel.
> It ocilates back and forth a few times until it settles out. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> Steve
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
I have been reading a lot of e-mail about airspeed and I was curious, Are
you talking about indicated airspeed,true airspeed or actual ground speed
from your GPS? My KF IV-1200 cruises at 80 mph indicated @ 5400 rpm with a
582. 90mph indicated @ 5800rpm.
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
-------Original Message-------
From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Kurt, the wing strut fairings alone will get you to 100 knots. They make a
BIG difference on Kitfoxes flying in that speed range.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To drag or not to drag.......Radiator Scoops
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Jeff,
You are just a little ahead of me on this. I am
roughing out a scoop for my S-5 radiator right now,
but it will be at least a month before I can fly it
again and post results. Too many irons in th fire
right now.
Some have had no noticable speed gain from their
radiator scoops. I think it is because there is no
extention of the scoop behind their radiators leaving
that rear air still disturbed. I would think that you
should get 5-10 kts from a good scoop design and
better cooling in flight, but I haven't done the math
or tested it yet. The thing is just a big speed brake
down there now and the air would rather go around it
in a big wave than thru it. It rates about 1 sq ft of
flat plate area, but more due to the fuselage
interference above.
My radiator hangs entirely below the cowl. Yours
might be half covered by the rear cowl area and not be
as draggy. Results may vary.
Right now my S-5 cruises at about 80 knots at 6 gph
and tops out at 95 kts. With scoop, wing strut
fairings and other smaller fairings, I hope to see 100
kts (115 mph) at 6 gph. It's a goal...
Kurt S.
--- Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> What is the approximate speed consequence of leaving
> my Kitfox 5
> water radiator 6" x 24" x 5" for my NSI Subaru
> EA-81 out in the
> slip stream uncowled? Right now I am getting about
> 75-80 kts at cruise, and was expecting more.....
>
> I figured about 5 - 7 Hp is being consumed with an
> estimated drag
> coeffecient of 1.3 to 1.5 at 75kts. am I close?
>
> I know some of you have cowled yours in.
>
> Thanks, Jeff Smathers
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| Subject: | Re: Kurt Schrader |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Howard,
Sorry I missed you tonight. I took off to go see the
"Passion of Christ" movie for Easter. I am still up
if you get this, and I will be up for a while, or you
can send me your phone # and I'll try calling you
back. We'll play tag until we get it right. :-)
Kurt S.
502-458-9646
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Good point Jim,
We should all be talking about TAS most of the time,
when speaking of performance comparisons. Some ASI's
may be way off, or altitudes flown be so different
they give poor comparisons. I used IAS for my last
answer. It was under conditions that made TAS only 3
knots faster in this case, but I should have reported
an 83 knots TAS cruise instead.
We should all state what we use just like saying feet
or meters, quarts or liters, mph or kts, IAS or TAS,
or GS. Otherwise it is just guesswork of apples and
oranges.
Kurt S.
--- Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com> wrote:
>
> I have been reading a lot of e-mail about airspeed
> and I was curious, Are
> you talking about indicated airspeed,true airspeed
> or actual ground speed
> from your GPS? My KF IV-1200 cruises at 80 mph
> indicated @ 5400 rpm with a
> 582. 90mph indicated @ 5800rpm.
>
> James E. Burke
> (N94JE)
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| Subject: | Re: GPS & Autopilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jud & Clarissa Parker <c210rg@comcast.net>
Cliff,
We have been using the Anywhere map for about three years and have
been very happy with it.
I have one friend with a 196 and bought the Anywhere map and loves
it, and another had the 295
and saw our Anywhere maps and bought one. He is also very happy. I
know of at least three other people
who bought them and are happy. We seem to always be in turbulence in
our long wing series 5 and its not to
bad to program the map. We bought it with the Garmin gps 35 engine
and it has never missed a beat.
I don't know if it will drive an autopilot, but I don't see why
not. Hope this helps, if you need any more
info just ask.
Jud and Clarissa Parker
Red Series 5 912xtra CAP 140
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>Michel,
>Thanks for the input. I thought about that, just going with an inexpensive
>gps. Any gps will guide the way if you know the coordinates of the
>destination but I want all the bells and whistles of a dedicated Aviation
>GPS. Right now I'm leaning toward buying the 296 now, then saving up for an
>autopilot. But I would really like hear comments on the Anywhere map and
>the Digitrak autopilot.
>Thanks,
>Cliff
>do not archive
>
>
>>Hello Cliff,
>>
>>I bought a very simple and very cheap Garmin GPS72 because it has a rather
>>large wind rose as head-up display. At 56, I also need glasses and I like
>>
>>
>large
>
>
>>displays. But there is more to it.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Steve,
Do you have the speed wing (very short)?
If so, they have to come in a bit hotter than the longer winged Avid and Fox.
bh
> My Avid seems to want to "drop out" during the flair for landing. I'm
> crossing the numbers at 65 mph, good glide slope. As I ease the stick back
> the bird suddenly wants to drop out. It doesn't seem to follow the
> glideslope all the way to landing. I must be doing something wrong...it sure
> makes landing the bird VERY tough. Not having any problems once on the
> ground...but I find the bird bouncing between the mains and the tailwheel.
> It ocilates back and forth a few times until it settles out. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Question Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Steve
My Kitfox III liked to hobby horse on the three point landings before I
sealed the gap on the elevator. The elevator did not have enough power to
pull the wing into a stall attitude that would let the tail wheel touch at
or before the mains. By landing on the mains first, the nose pitched up and
the tail touched and popped the nose back down and touched the mains. While
shooting touch and goes the tower would clear me for bounce and goes.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question Foxers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> My Avid seems to want to "drop out" during the flair for landing. I'm
> crossing the numbers at 65 mph, good glide slope. As I ease the stick back
> the bird suddenly wants to drop out. It doesn't seem to follow the
> glideslope all the way to landing. I must be doing something wrong...it
sure
> makes landing the bird VERY tough. Not having any problems once on the
> ground...but I find the bird bouncing between the mains and the tailwheel.
> It ocilates back and forth a few times until it settles out. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS & Autopilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Cliff
I have flown with the Anywhere map for a couple of years now. I am
continually amazed at the info, upgrades (including daily TFR's) and
features, including glideslope, and holding patterns. However, because it
is a computer it can crash. For that reason I would never consider
connecting it to an autopilot.
Jim Shumaker
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