Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 06:51 AM - Fw: [ProtectOurPlanes] EAA Sport Pilot Petition (Ed Veneck)
2. 07:23 AM - Re:tail wheel/ground loop (Brian Peck)
3. 07:28 AM - Gary's cooling circuit design 582 Blue (Harris, Robert)
4. 09:09 AM - Sport Pilot Update (Steve Cooper)
5. 05:01 PM - Re: Re:tail wheel/ground loop ()
6. 05:44 PM - Cooling system (Graeme Toft)
7. 07:06 PM - Re: Miguel Ramirez (John E. King)
8. 07:14 PM - Re: central california DAR inspector (John E. King)
9. 07:35 PM - Kitfox 5 For Sale (Steve & Bonnie Lorenz)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Fwd: [ProtectOurPlanes] EAA Sport Pilot Petition |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ed Veneck <edveneck@yahoo.com>
Not sure how many of you on the list have seen this,
but I think it is worth reading and signing.
Thanks
Ed Veneck
EAA 0183748
Saa 1602
--- Noel <protectourplanes@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To: ProtectOurPlanes@yahoogroups.com
> From: "Noel" <protectourplanes@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:48:47 -0000
> Subject: [ProtectOurPlanes] EAA Sport Pilot Petition
>
> Greetings, fellow aviation enthusiast:
>
> In case you haven't heard, EAA is circulating a
> petition for
> the "final push" to get the Sport Pilot Rule through
> OMB. See story
> below:
>
> Sign EAA's On-Line Sport Pilot Petition! April 15,
> 2004 - This week
> at the Sun 'n Fun EAA Fly-In, EAA kicked off a
> petition drive where
> aviation enthusiasts can voice their support for the
> Sport
> Pilot/Light-Sport Aircraft rule. This petition is
> being forwarded to
> the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, indicating
> the widespread
> support the measure has in the aviation community
> and that OMB
> should expedite its final approval.
> Even those EAA members and aviation enthusiasts who
> can't attend
> Sun 'n Fun this year can join the petition. Simply
> go to
> http://www.eaa.org/govt/petition.asp and follow the
> simple
> directions.
> I would greatly appreciate your typing in this
> website link and
> electronically signing the petition. It is urgent
> that this be
> accomplished within the next couple days. It will
> only take you 120
> seconds to read and "sign" the petition - but it
> will "speak
> volumes" in our message to the OMB.
>
> Bob Warner
> EAA Executive Vice President
>
>
>
__________________________________
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | RE:tail wheel/ground loop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brian Peck <u2drvr@dslextreme.com>
On Apr 21, 2004, at 11:32 PM, michel wrote:
>
> Maybe I should have support wheels at the tip of
> my wings, like a U2! :-)
>
>
On the U-2, we have titanium skid plates not wheels and the wing tips
are a lot closer to the ground to begin with. We need the skid plates
because the bicycle arrangement of the landing causes one wing to
contact the ground eventually on landing (with a good fuel balance you
can "fly" the wings level down to about 10 knots of wind. Our crosswind
limit is 15 knots, but if you have to land with stronger crosswind, you
can put the downwind wing on the runway to help with directional
control.
The tailwheel on the U-2 only moves 6.5 degrees either side of center
and cannot free caster at all. This is so that you don't over-control
it and get into a PIO (pilot induced oscillation). The small deflection
makes taxiing a difficult task. There was and incident about two years
ago where the tailwheel mechanism was installed wrong and the part that
provides steering and limits travel snapped on landing allowing the
tailwheel to free caster and there was no steering. The airplane went
off the side of the runway and hit the object around (the pole that
holds the windsock) resulting in serious damage (> $1M).
Anyway, the U-2 is definitely a taildragger and I think flying my
Kitfox makes me a better U-2 pilot.
Have a great day!
Brian Peck
U-2 Test Pilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Gary's cooling circuit design 582 Blue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Gary,
Thank you very much for the blue print sketches of the new coolant circuit
you designed. You are very smart to have come up with this great idea and
I'm looking forward to implementing it on my plane as soon as possible.
I can see many benefits of your new design such as increased water flow,
reduction of radiator hose that comes in close proximity to the exhaust
manifold and muffler, better air circulation to the rear of the engine,
increased air flow over the radiator hose, more room at the rear of the
engine, and it looks a lot better. You did a great job!
Question????????????
Can the original Rotax hose that is routed along the rear of the engine from
the thermostat inlet circuit to the water pump inlet be used when it is
moved to the front of the engine, or is it too short?
Thanks Again,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Algate
Subject: RE: 582 H2O temp RE: Kitfox-List: cooling system on a 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Robert
I also have the same set up as you and during the first 6 or so hours I also
experienced high coolant temps.
I lowered my rad by 1" and maintained my summer coolant ratio at 70%
distilled water and 30% Havelene Antifreeze - this reduced my temps to 175
on extended climb outs and about 165 in Cruise.
I think the combination of these changes with the normal heat reduction
after engine run in addressed the overheating issues.
There is no doubt that lowering the rad by about 1" really helps as a friend
of mine had the same problem with his model 4 and he added some 1" Sq
aluminum tube between his rad and the floor and his heating problems also
evaporated. "excuse the pun".
The coolant ratio will also have an effect on the coolant temp but I would
be careful about lowering this ratio too much as you will lose your
corrosion protection.
My coolant hosing is also complicated as I route from the front of the
water pump forward to the front of the engine then down and back between the
base of the engine and the muffler to the rad inlet. From the other side of
the rad I go forward and up through the filler gooseneck to the thermostat
housing on the engine. The top outlet on the engine routes through a
pre-formed hose to the back of the engine and down to the secondary inlet on
the water pump. I intend to simplify this and can email you a sketch off
list if you would like.
I think you will find that if you lower your rad slightly and persevere with
an extended break in of a few more hours your problems will go away.
Best regards,
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
My new (3 hours) 582 blue head KF is running around 180 to 185 also and I'm
using the Rotax expansion chamber and have the cooling system set up exactly
as the Rotax manual shows with the exception of a strait water outlet
instead of the 90 degree water outlet. I'm currently running my vent line of
the front of the engine but may try the rear to see if that lowers the
temps.
Here are my thoughts on this: (Are any of them valid)
1). On a "582 blue head" the muffler and the exhaust manifold may be heating
up the return water before it enters the water jacket. The blue head water
pump outlet is facing towards the front of the engine which requires the
radiator hose to be routed between the exhaust manifold and the muffler
which will heat up the radiator hose.
2). Also on a "582 blue head" there is a radiator hose that hugs the rear of
the engine block which may also raise the water temperature.
3). The distance and the elevation of the radiator may be great for the pump
to circulate the water at the appropriate rate.
I've already replaced most of my ant-freeze with distilled water but will
replace all of the ant-freeze.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tc9008@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: cooling system on a 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tc9008@aol.com
I can't get my kf to cool down. It stays at 185 degrees . Does everyone run
a
thermostat and where is the best place to get one.
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Sport Pilot Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
The FAA says it will have a revised version of the Sport Pilot/Light-Sport
Aircraft Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) in front of the Office of
Management and Budget (OMB) in the next week or so. FAA spokeswoman Allison
Duquette told AVweb Wednesday that the goal is to get the rule out "as soon
as possible." About three weeks ago, the FAA withdrew the NPRM from the OMB,
which must sign off on it, after the OMB raised concerns about parts of the
proposed rule. The hang-ups have never been made public. "I can't discuss
that because we are in rulemaking," said Duquette. She said she doesn't know
how long the OMB will need to assess the revised NPRM but it has not placed
any time limits on the process.
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE:tail wheel/ground loop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <rex@awarenest.com>
Hey, Brian,
You didn't mention that wingtip wheels that drop off are
used for take off only. Or has that changed?
I was at DMAFB Tuscon 1974 when they flew out of there.
Rex
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:23:40 -0700
Brian Peck <u2drvr@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brian Peck
><u2drvr@dslextreme.com>
>
>
>On Apr 21, 2004, at 11:32 PM, michel wrote:
>>
>
>> Maybe I should have support wheels at the tip of
>> my wings, like a U2! :-)
>>
>>
>On the U-2, we have titanium skid plates not wheels and
>the wing tips
>are a lot closer to the ground to begin with. We need the
>skid plates
>because the bicycle arrangement of the landing causes one
>wing to
>contact the ground eventually on landing (with a good
>fuel balance you
>can "fly" the wings level down to about 10 knots of wind.
>Our crosswind
>limit is 15 knots, but if you have to land with stronger
>crosswind, you
>can put the downwind wing on the runway to help with
>directional
>control.
>
>The tailwheel on the U-2 only moves 6.5 degrees either
>side of center
>and cannot free caster at all. This is so that you don't
>over-control
>it and get into a PIO (pilot induced oscillation). The
>small deflection
>makes taxiing a difficult task. There was and incident
>about two years
>ago where the tailwheel mechanism was installed wrong and
>the part that
>provides steering and limits travel snapped on landing
>allowing the
>tailwheel to free caster and there was no steering. The
>airplane went
>off the side of the runway and hit the object around (the
>pole that
>holds the windsock) resulting in serious damage (> $1M).
>
>Anyway, the U-2 is definitely a taildragger and I think
>flying my
>Kitfox makes me a better U-2 pilot.
>
>Have a great day!
>
>Brian Peck
>U-2 Test Pilot
>>
do not archive
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
I have been watching the comments about cooling 582 engines and hoped someone might
be able to help us out as well. We are going to be running our 582 for the
first time after a complete rebuild and are not sure about the percentage of
coolant to include. Our day time temps in Queensland are 30C which appears to
be in contrast to many areas where comments are coming from. I know you guys
fly in snow and ice but this doesn't translate to our ambient temps. Is there
a starting point from where you increase or decrease the amount of coolant to
water ratio and has anyone got any tips for running in an engine.
Thanks to all who have made contact with us during the rebuild of our Mk1. We have
had a remarkable response and the advice was generally spot on. We have even
had the total manual scanned and mailed along with a video (Hi Ray). The importance
of the Kitfox list cannot be overstated. For people like ourselves it
is the only guidance available to us.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
Yeppoon
Queensland
Australia
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Miguel Ramirez |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Francisco,
I have watched the entire video he created about five times and it
instantly puts me back there with Miguel and the rest of the group. It
must have took him many, many hours of editing and adding the background
music that was so appropriate. He always had the camera running both on
the ground and in the air. He was very talented, intelligent and all
around good guy to pal around with. Parts of it are very tough for me
to watch because I know the good times we had together are over. He
wanted desperately to make the Bahamas trip and tried to convince me to
extend it to South America and then back up to Mexico. I know a lot of
his friends in Mexico like you and a couple of those I have met and
many others I have not met, have lost a cherished friend, but there are
some of us north of the border who had traveled with Miguel for several
weeks that have also felt that loss deeply.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
>
>A year ago Miguel past over. He died in an accident in
>Chapala Lake, Western Mexico with his friend Alonso
>Ruiz in a Serie 6. His friends in Mexico miss them
>both. I cant belive Miguel is gone when I watch the
>Alaska 2002 DVD. There will be some services in
>Guadalajara, San Luis Potos and Mexico City.
>
>
>Francisco Icaza
>Classic IV
>
>La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>
>
>
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: central california DAR inspector |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Phil,
Why not contact Robert Oliver who lives in your town. He built a Series
6 Kitfox and flew it to Alaska whit me in 2002. Here is his address and
phone number. Do Not Archive.
Robert K. Oliver
277 Prado Rd.
San Luis Obispo, Ca. 93401
Phone 805-541-0457
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Phil Cowley wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Phil Cowley" <pcowley@virtualrcflight.com>
>
>One more for the infinite knowledge out there,
>
>I purchased my project about %70 percent complete (just about ready to
>cover) and need to know who to contact about inspecting it. I would like
>to get the repairman's cert. for the aircraft. I plan on starting at
>step one and checking all the work anyway, so it should not be too much
>of a problem.
>
>I'm located in San Luis Obispo, Ca, and am wondering if anyone knows who
>to talk to about this - or has any tips on how to go forward.
>
>Thanks again
>
>Phil Cowley
>Series 5 taildragger
>
>
>
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Kitfox 5 For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve & Bonnie Lorenz" <randlekids@lewiscounty.com>
I thought I would just put the word out again that my Kitfox 5 is still available for sale. So if you know anyone out there interested I would appreciate you passing the word. It has conventional bungee gear, bump cowl, speedster fairings and NSI firewall forward. I have reduced the price to $31,500 OBO. It is presently advertised on www.barnstormers.com, www.controller.com, and www.generalaviationnews.com
I just can't afford two airplanes!
Steve Lorenz
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|