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1. 03:07 AM - sun/fun problem (broschart)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Cost of fuel (Jeff Thomas)
3. 04:03 AM - Problems at S&F (Fox5flyer)
4. 04:45 AM - Re: Re: Cost of fuel (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun (Bob Unternaehrer)
6. 05:50 AM - Re: Dresser tires... (Mich L.)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:21 AM - Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun (JMCBEAN)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: Homebrew Lift Reserve Indicator (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: Miguel Ramirez (Michel Gordillo)
11. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Cost of fuel (Jeff Thomas)
12. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Cost of fuel (Michel Verheughe)
13. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Cost of fuel (Aerobatics@aol.com)
14. 08:11 PM - Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun (John E. King)
15. 08:23 PM - Re: sun/fun problem (John E. King)
16. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Cost of fuel (John E. King)
17. 08:41 PM - Re: Problems at S&F (John E. King)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
have you notified sun/fun people
doesn't do any good to tell me i've never been there an don't intend to
go
Have a good day - Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
John wrote about his problems flying into Sun N' Fun, but living in England
(and unfortunately not being able to get to Sun N' Fun or Oshkosh), one
thing that stood out in John's email was his comment that fuel was available
at 1.20 Dollars a gallon.
Ordinary unleaded motor fuel in England (that I use in my 582 Rotax) is
about 6.50 Dollars a gallon (although our "gallon" is a little larger than
yours), and 100LL aviation fuel is around 8 Dollars a gallon!
Having said that, we have some terrific weather here in south east England
at the moment and I have managed to get in 10 hours flying so far this
week..... buying the fuel is money well spent in my book
Regards
Jeff
Kitfox III
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> To The List,
>
> I have had it with Sun N' Fun. I have flown my Kitfox to Sun N' Fun and
> Oshkosh every year since 1994 and over the last few years I have told my
> pilot friends that it was the last Sun N' Fun trip for me. As each year
> approached I always found a good reason to attend one more time.
> However, this past weeks experience at Sun' N Fun has solidified that
> position.
>
> I had planned to depart for Sun N' Fun on Monday the 12th, but the
> weather in Virginia and most of the route to the south was IFR for three
> days. I finally departed on Thursday morning the 15th. The good news
> was I had a tail wind all the way to Lakeland, FL. My ground speed
> ranged from 145 to 120 Kts, not bad for a Kitfox. It was the first time
> I ever made it from Warrenton, VA (W66) to Waycross, GA (AYS) in one leg
> (501 nm). I arrived at Zephyrhills, FL (ZPH) at 2:15 pm to wait out the
> air show going on at Lakeland which was scheduled to end at 5:00 pm.
> There was a crowd of airplanes at Zephyrhills waiting with me. BTW,
> fuel at Zephyrhills was only $1.20 a gallon.
>
> At Lakeland the air show starts at 2:00 pm and is scheduled to end at
> 5:00 pm. 5:00 to 6:00 pm is scheduled for departures forcing arrivals
> to wait until 6:00 pm before that are allowed to enter the approach
> pattern and land. I have always accepted that until this year the air
> show was allowed to extend to almost 6:00 pm. While I was at
> Zephyrhills waiting for the show to end at 5:00 we were advised that
> arrivals to Lakeland would not permitted until 7:00 pm. After a 16 km
> flight to Lake Parker at Lakeland I was told that the holding patterns
> over Lake Parker and Lake Hancock were full and all other pilots would
> have to circle somewhere east of Lake Parker. That meant there were
> airplanes flying all over the place, most of them confused and angry.
> After circling for 45 minutes east of Lake Parker the sun was starting
> to set on the horizon. To make a long horror story short I returned to
> Zephyrhills Airport along with a lot of other aircraft and tied down for
> the night. Some camped under their wings. I was lucky in that I had
> friends pick me up and I stayed with them in Orlando.
>
> The next morning I was dropped off at Zephyrhills at 11.00 am and one of
> my friends flew with me to Lake Parker for one more try at Lakeland.
> Again we flew in circles east of Lake Parker because both Lake Parker
> and Lake Hancock holding patterns were full. I had to fly in circles
> for about one hour before I was allowed to proceed to Lakeland and
> land. The air show was about to start after I was on the ground.
>
> The controllers at Sun N' Fun do not have the necessary skills,
> experience and technique to handle the traffic volume in and out of
> Lakeland. Oshkosh does a superior job with larger traffic volumes. In
> my nine years of flying my Kitfox into Oshkosh I was only in a holding
> pattern at Rippon once and that was for only two laps.
>
> I also blame the EAA Management Team at Sun N' Fun for adding to the
> problem. The air show is scheduled for three hours and starts at 2:00
> pm. Even when it ends on schedule it does not provide enough time for
> arrival aircraft to make it in before sundown. Why don't they start the
> show earlier, or better yet hold it down to just two hours. I have seen
> the show so many times that it is no longer a significant event for me.
> I go to the shows to look at all the other aircraft on the flight line,
> talk to the pilots who build and fly them and look over what the vendors
> are selling today.
>
> Another big gripe I have about Sun N' Fun is that the flight line is
> closed to all pilots and visitors during the three hour air show. When
> the show is over after 5:00 PM everyone starts to leave for the day.
> Oshkosh keeps the flight line open all day long. BTW, I know why the
> flight line is closed during the air show at Sun N' Fun, but I don't
> like it anyhow. I get the impression that the management at Sun N' Fun
> is far more interested in the sponsors and vendors then the pilots that
> fly their aircraft there. Aren't we the ones that the fly-in is all
> about? Bottom line, I'll see you all at Oshkosh, but never at Sun N'
> Fun again.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
John, I've never heard you vent like this before! It must have been pretty
bad. Although I've never been there myself I've always read the feedback
and it appears to me that perhaps S&F traffic is growing faster than the
management is. I agree, the experimental airplane and builder is what these
conventions are all about (or used to be anyway).
Thanks for the story.
Darrel
...snip
like it anyhow. I get the impression that the management at Sun N' Fun
is far more interested in the sponsors and vendors then the pilots that
fly their aircraft there. Aren't we the ones that the fly-in is all
about? Bottom line, I'll see you all at Oshkosh, but never at Sun N'
Fun again.
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Ordinary unleaded motor fuel in England (that I use in my 582 Rotax) is
about 6.50 Dollars a gallon (although our "gallon" is a little larger than
yours), and 100LL aviation fuel is around 8 Dollars a gallon!
Jeff,
I spent a year in England/Scotland and never could get used to the high
cost of gasoline. What do they do over there, put Gold in each gallon? I
bought a little over 5 US gallons yesterday for my 582 and almost had a heart
attack when the pump indicated $10.00.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
John,, An earlier arrival than noon works good,, say as soon as they open,
since you were so close. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> To The List,
>
> I have had it with Sun N' Fun. I have flown my Kitfox to Sun N' Fun and
> Oshkosh every year since 1994 and over the last few years I have told my
> pilot friends that it was the last Sun N' Fun trip for me. As each year
> approached I always found a good reason to attend one more time.
> However, this past weeks experience at Sun' N Fun has solidified that
> position.
>
> I had planned to depart for Sun N' Fun on Monday the 12th, but the
> weather in Virginia and most of the route to the south was IFR for three
> days. I finally departed on Thursday morning the 15th. The good news
> was I had a tail wind all the way to Lakeland, FL. My ground speed
> ranged from 145 to 120 Kts, not bad for a Kitfox. It was the first time
> I ever made it from Warrenton, VA (W66) to Waycross, GA (AYS) in one leg
> (501 nm). I arrived at Zephyrhills, FL (ZPH) at 2:15 pm to wait out the
> air show going on at Lakeland which was scheduled to end at 5:00 pm.
> There was a crowd of airplanes at Zephyrhills waiting with me. BTW,
> fuel at Zephyrhills was only $1.20 a gallon.
>
> At Lakeland the air show starts at 2:00 pm and is scheduled to end at
> 5:00 pm. 5:00 to 6:00 pm is scheduled for departures forcing arrivals
> to wait until 6:00 pm before that are allowed to enter the approach
> pattern and land. I have always accepted that until this year the air
> show was allowed to extend to almost 6:00 pm. While I was at
> Zephyrhills waiting for the show to end at 5:00 we were advised that
> arrivals to Lakeland would not permitted until 7:00 pm. After a 16 km
> flight to Lake Parker at Lakeland I was told that the holding patterns
> over Lake Parker and Lake Hancock were full and all other pilots would
> have to circle somewhere east of Lake Parker. That meant there were
> airplanes flying all over the place, most of them confused and angry.
> After circling for 45 minutes east of Lake Parker the sun was starting
> to set on the horizon. To make a long horror story short I returned to
> Zephyrhills Airport along with a lot of other aircraft and tied down for
> the night. Some camped under their wings. I was lucky in that I had
> friends pick me up and I stayed with them in Orlando.
>
> The next morning I was dropped off at Zephyrhills at 11.00 am and one of
> my friends flew with me to Lake Parker for one more try at Lakeland.
> Again we flew in circles east of Lake Parker because both Lake Parker
> and Lake Hancock holding patterns were full. I had to fly in circles
> for about one hour before I was allowed to proceed to Lakeland and
> land. The air show was about to start after I was on the ground.
>
> The controllers at Sun N' Fun do not have the necessary skills,
> experience and technique to handle the traffic volume in and out of
> Lakeland. Oshkosh does a superior job with larger traffic volumes. In
> my nine years of flying my Kitfox into Oshkosh I was only in a holding
> pattern at Rippon once and that was for only two laps.
>
> I also blame the EAA Management Team at Sun N' Fun for adding to the
> problem. The air show is scheduled for three hours and starts at 2:00
> pm. Even when it ends on schedule it does not provide enough time for
> arrival aircraft to make it in before sundown. Why don't they start the
> show earlier, or better yet hold it down to just two hours. I have seen
> the show so many times that it is no longer a significant event for me.
> I go to the shows to look at all the other aircraft on the flight line,
> talk to the pilots who build and fly them and look over what the vendors
> are selling today.
>
> Another big gripe I have about Sun N' Fun is that the flight line is
> closed to all pilots and visitors during the three hour air show. When
> the show is over after 5:00 PM everyone starts to leave for the day.
> Oshkosh keeps the flight line open all day long. BTW, I know why the
> flight line is closed during the air show at Sun N' Fun, but I don't
> like it anyhow. I get the impression that the management at Sun N' Fun
> is far more interested in the sponsors and vendors then the pilots that
> fly their aircraft there. Aren't we the ones that the fly-in is all
> about? Bottom line, I'll see you all at Oshkosh, but never at Sun N'
> Fun again.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: Dresser tires... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mich L." <mlariv2421@yahoo.ca>
Hi
I bought tires from them for my Kitfox IV in the
spring of 2002.
www.desser.com
sales @desser.com
toll free (800) 247-8473
Fax (323) 721-7888
Mike
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message posted by:
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>
> I tried Google to find them ..... no listing
> does some one know howt o
> get in touch with them RE the KF 2 tires?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave KF 2
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| Subject: | Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
John, Jim Campbell ( Jim Campbell haters need not reply) has explained the
FAA manned tower this way. Sun and Fun tower privileges are not necessarily
awarded on a most experienced basis. Check the following link that was
posted on ANN after a fatal collision on landing in 2003, I think.
http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockID=f44d313d-3db8-47aa-bc
b4-53391b174c1d&Dynamic=1
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> To The List,
>
> I have had it with Sun N' Fun. I have flown my Kitfox to Sun N' Fun and
> Oshkosh every year since 1994 and over the last few years I have told my
> pilot friends that it was the last Sun N' Fun trip for me. As each year
> approached I always found a good reason to attend one more time.
> However, this past weeks experience at Sun' N Fun has solidified that
> position.
>
> I had planned to depart for Sun N' Fun on Monday the 12th, but the
> weather in Virginia and most of the route to the south was IFR for three
> days. I finally departed on Thursday morning the 15th. The good news
> was I had a tail wind all the way to Lakeland, FL. My ground speed
> ranged from 145 to 120 Kts, not bad for a Kitfox. It was the first time
> I ever made it from Warrenton, VA (W66) to Waycross, GA (AYS) in one leg
> (501 nm). I arrived at Zephyrhills, FL (ZPH) at 2:15 pm to wait out the
> air show going on at Lakeland which was scheduled to end at 5:00 pm.
> There was a crowd of airplanes at Zephyrhills waiting with me. BTW,
> fuel at Zephyrhills was only $1.20 a gallon.
>
> At Lakeland the air show starts at 2:00 pm and is scheduled to end at
> 5:00 pm. 5:00 to 6:00 pm is scheduled for departures forcing arrivals
> to wait until 6:00 pm before that are allowed to enter the approach
> pattern and land. I have always accepted that until this year the air
> show was allowed to extend to almost 6:00 pm. While I was at
> Zephyrhills waiting for the show to end at 5:00 we were advised that
> arrivals to Lakeland would not permitted until 7:00 pm. After a 16 km
> flight to Lake Parker at Lakeland I was told that the holding patterns
> over Lake Parker and Lake Hancock were full and all other pilots would
> have to circle somewhere east of Lake Parker. That meant there were
> airplanes flying all over the place, most of them confused and angry.
> After circling for 45 minutes east of Lake Parker the sun was starting
> to set on the horizon. To make a long horror story short I returned to
> Zephyrhills Airport along with a lot of other aircraft and tied down for
> the night. Some camped under their wings. I was lucky in that I had
> friends pick me up and I stayed with them in Orlando.
>
> The next morning I was dropped off at Zephyrhills at 11.00 am and one of
> my friends flew with me to Lake Parker for one more try at Lakeland.
> Again we flew in circles east of Lake Parker because both Lake Parker
> and Lake Hancock holding patterns were full. I had to fly in circles
> for about one hour before I was allowed to proceed to Lakeland and
> land. The air show was about to start after I was on the ground.
>
> The controllers at Sun N' Fun do not have the necessary skills,
> experience and technique to handle the traffic volume in and out of
> Lakeland. Oshkosh does a superior job with larger traffic volumes. In
> my nine years of flying my Kitfox into Oshkosh I was only in a holding
> pattern at Rippon once and that was for only two laps.
>
> I also blame the EAA Management Team at Sun N' Fun for adding to the
> problem. The air show is scheduled for three hours and starts at 2:00
> pm. Even when it ends on schedule it does not provide enough time for
> arrival aircraft to make it in before sundown. Why don't they start the
> show earlier, or better yet hold it down to just two hours. I have seen
> the show so many times that it is no longer a significant event for me.
> I go to the shows to look at all the other aircraft on the flight line,
> talk to the pilots who build and fly them and look over what the vendors
> are selling today.
>
> Another big gripe I have about Sun N' Fun is that the flight line is
> closed to all pilots and visitors during the three hour air show. When
> the show is over after 5:00 PM everyone starts to leave for the day.
> Oshkosh keeps the flight line open all day long. BTW, I know why the
> flight line is closed during the air show at Sun N' Fun, but I don't
> like it anyhow. I get the impression that the management at Sun N' Fun
> is far more interested in the sponsors and vendors then the pilots that
> fly their aircraft there. Aren't we the ones that the fly-in is all
> about? Bottom line, I'll see you all at Oshkosh, but never at Sun N'
> Fun again.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
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| Subject: | I'am Through With Sun N' Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
John,
Knowing the issues you faced first hand... I'm glad that your safe. I have
had issues with Sun-n-Fun on every occasion... Even as a vendor was told
point blank that we (Sun-n-Fun) don't need you here and they have always
been difficult to work with.... On the other hand.. Oshkosh, Arlington,
Golden West, Rocky Mountain, Copperstate etc.. have been wonderful and
pleasant to be at and work with.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John E. King
Subject: Kitfox-List: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
To The List,
I have had it with Sun N' Fun. I have flown my Kitfox to Sun N' Fun and
Oshkosh every year since 1994 and over the last few years I have told my
pilot friends that it was the last Sun N' Fun trip for me. As each year
approached I always found a good reason to attend one more time.
However, this past weeks experience at Sun' N Fun has solidified that
position.
I had planned to depart for Sun N' Fun on Monday the 12th, but the
weather in Virginia and most of the route to the south was IFR for three
days. I finally departed on Thursday morning the 15th. The good news
was I had a tail wind all the way to Lakeland, FL. My ground speed
ranged from 145 to 120 Kts, not bad for a Kitfox. It was the first time
I ever made it from Warrenton, VA (W66) to Waycross, GA (AYS) in one leg
(501 nm). I arrived at Zephyrhills, FL (ZPH) at 2:15 pm to wait out the
air show going on at Lakeland which was scheduled to end at 5:00 pm.
There was a crowd of airplanes at Zephyrhills waiting with me. BTW,
fuel at Zephyrhills was only $1.20 a gallon.
At Lakeland the air show starts at 2:00 pm and is scheduled to end at
5:00 pm. 5:00 to 6:00 pm is scheduled for departures forcing arrivals
to wait until 6:00 pm before that are allowed to enter the approach
pattern and land. I have always accepted that until this year the air
show was allowed to extend to almost 6:00 pm. While I was at
Zephyrhills waiting for the show to end at 5:00 we were advised that
arrivals to Lakeland would not permitted until 7:00 pm. After a 16 km
flight to Lake Parker at Lakeland I was told that the holding patterns
over Lake Parker and Lake Hancock were full and all other pilots would
have to circle somewhere east of Lake Parker. That meant there were
airplanes flying all over the place, most of them confused and angry.
After circling for 45 minutes east of Lake Parker the sun was starting
to set on the horizon. To make a long horror story short I returned to
Zephyrhills Airport along with a lot of other aircraft and tied down for
the night. Some camped under their wings. I was lucky in that I had
friends pick me up and I stayed with them in Orlando.
The next morning I was dropped off at Zephyrhills at 11.00 am and one of
my friends flew with me to Lake Parker for one more try at Lakeland.
Again we flew in circles east of Lake Parker because both Lake Parker
and Lake Hancock holding patterns were full. I had to fly in circles
for about one hour before I was allowed to proceed to Lakeland and
land. The air show was about to start after I was on the ground.
The controllers at Sun N' Fun do not have the necessary skills,
experience and technique to handle the traffic volume in and out of
Lakeland. Oshkosh does a superior job with larger traffic volumes. In
my nine years of flying my Kitfox into Oshkosh I was only in a holding
pattern at Rippon once and that was for only two laps.
I also blame the EAA Management Team at Sun N' Fun for adding to the
problem. The air show is scheduled for three hours and starts at 2:00
pm. Even when it ends on schedule it does not provide enough time for
arrival aircraft to make it in before sundown. Why don't they start the
show earlier, or better yet hold it down to just two hours. I have seen
the show so many times that it is no longer a significant event for me.
I go to the shows to look at all the other aircraft on the flight line,
talk to the pilots who build and fly them and look over what the vendors
are selling today.
Another big gripe I have about Sun N' Fun is that the flight line is
closed to all pilots and visitors during the three hour air show. When
the show is over after 5:00 PM everyone starts to leave for the day.
Oshkosh keeps the flight line open all day long. BTW, I know why the
flight line is closed during the air show at Sun N' Fun, but I don't
like it anyhow. I get the impression that the management at Sun N' Fun
is far more interested in the sponsors and vendors then the pilots that
fly their aircraft there. Aren't we the ones that the fly-in is all
about? Bottom line, I'll see you all at Oshkosh, but never at Sun N'
Fun again.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Homebrew Lift Reserve Indicator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Andy,
I've bought the LRI years ago and I'm installing it on my Series V. I also
flew the original LRI back in the 80's and it worked as intended. It was
simple, it worked, and was low cost. If the 'home-brew' version is the same I
think it would serve you well. However, I've also seen Elbie's Rite Angle system
and given the choice I would strongly consider the Rite Angle. Mostly for 2
reasons, Elbie stands behind it and it's in production so there's a support
system available. By the way, Elbie did not pay me to say this!
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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| Subject: | Re: Miguel Ramirez |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
Just always in my mind.
He will be always close to us.
Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Miguel Ramirez
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
>
> A year ago Miguel past over. He died in an accident in
> Chapala Lake, Western Mexico with his friend Alonso
> Ruiz in a Serie 6. His friends in Mexico miss them
> both. I cant belive Miguel is gone when I watch the
> Alaska 2002 DVD. There will be some services in
> Guadalajara, San Luis Potos and Mexico City.
>
>
> Francisco Icaza
> Classic IV
>
> La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes.
http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Hi Don
Across Europe petrol prices are now very similar and we can only dream of
fuel prices like you have.
Our (north sea) oil isn't specially expensive to produce, it's just that
government policy is to tax petrol to death thereby reducing demand. The
purpose of this is supposed to limit energy consumption and reduce
production of CO2 emissions (which are blamed for contributing to global
warming). It just so happens that it also puts a lot more tax revenue into
the exchequer's account at the same time.... and what Chancellor of the
Exchequer could resist "doing good" and making extra money at the same time!
Regards
Jeff
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cost of fuel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Ordinary unleaded motor fuel in England (that I use in my 582 Rotax) is
> about 6.50 Dollars a gallon (although our "gallon" is a little larger than
> yours), and 100LL aviation fuel is around 8 Dollars a gallon!
>
>
> Jeff,
> I spent a year in England/Scotland and never could get used to the
high
> cost of gasoline. What do they do over there, put Gold in each gallon? I
> bought a little over 5 US gallons yesterday for my 582 and almost had a
heart
> attack when the pump indicated $10.00.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Jeff Thomas wrote:
> Ordinary unleaded motor fuel in England (that I use in my 582 Rotax) is
> about 6.50 Dollars a gallon (although our "gallon" is a little larger than
> yours), and 100LL aviation fuel is around 8 Dollars a gallon!
In Norway, a US gallon (3.8 L) of unleaded petrol costs about US$ 5.50, even
if we are a big oil producing country. 80% of that is taxes. The funny thing is
that, each time OPEC decides to reduce its global production, our government
wins a lot from the rising price on the oil barrels from the North Sea, then
again, with the taxes. A real win-win situation :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I agree
Actually, I am a Canadian, living in the USA for the last 25 years and we are
VERY fortunate
VERY
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Bob,
I agree, but being located in Northern Virginia I can't get there before the air
show opens unless I have a heavy tail wind all the way. My second attempt on
Friday was also not an early one because I was staying with a group that were
staying in Orlando and they are not early risers and take a long time getting
breakfast. If I was by myself and not depending on others for local transportation
I could have got an earlier start that morning.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
>John,, An earlier arrival than noon works good,, say as soon as they open,
>since you were so close. Bob U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: I'am Through With Sun N' Fun
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sun/fun problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Charlie,
I just went to their web site and sent a request to discuss my concerns
with a representative. We'll see how they respond. Do not archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
broschart wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
>have you notified sun/fun people
>doesn't do any good to tell me i've never been there an don't intend to
>go
>
>Have a good day - Charlie
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Jeff & All,
My screw up, the price of 100LL at Zephyrhills, Florida was $2.20 per gallon, not
$1.20 a gallon. A $2.20 per gallon price is still a bargain here where it
normally runs between $2.75 to $3.25.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Jeff Thomas wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
>
>John wrote about his problems flying into Sun N' Fun, but living in England
>(and unfortunately not being able to get to Sun N' Fun or Oshkosh), one
>thing that stood out in John's email was his comment that fuel was available
>at 1.20 Dollars a gallon.
>
>Ordinary unleaded motor fuel in England (that I use in my 582 Rotax) is
>about 6.50 Dollars a gallon (although our "gallon" is a little larger than
>yours), and 100LL aviation fuel is around 8 Dollars a gallon!
>
>Having said that, we have some terrific weather here in south east England
>at the moment and I have managed to get in 10 hours flying so far this
>week..... buying the fuel is money well spent in my book
>
>Regards
>Jeff
>Kitfox III
>
>
>
>>
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Darrel,
Yes, it was bad and I was mad. I delayed writing about it for several
days just to cool off some. There were many other pilots who were
disgusted when they could not get in. I hope they all pass the word around.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>John, I've never heard you vent like this before! It must have been pretty
>bad. Although I've never been there myself I've always read the feedback
>and it appears to me that perhaps S&F traffic is growing faster than the
>management is. I agree, the experimental airplane and builder is what these
>conventions are all about (or used to be anyway).
>Thanks for the story.
>Darrel
>
>...snip
>like it anyhow. I get the impression that the management at Sun N' Fun
>is far more interested in the sponsors and vendors then the pilots that
>fly their aircraft there. Aren't we the ones that the fly-in is all
>about? Bottom line, I'll see you all at Oshkosh, but never at Sun N'
>Fun again.
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
>
>
>
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