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1. 02:50 PM - GPS systems (Clem Nichols)
2. 03:13 PM - Re: GPS systems (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 03:25 PM - Re: GPS systems (Clifford Begnaud)
4. 04:10 PM - GPS Discussion (Scott McClintock)
5. 04:25 PM - Re: GPS systems (Allan Mantell)
6. 04:29 PM - World's Cheapest Annual (Scott McClintock)
7. 06:00 PM - Naknek to Shishmaref.......... (hausding, sid)
8. 06:08 PM - Re: GPS systems (Bruce Lina)
9. 07:39 PM - Re: tail wheel/ground loop (Paul Seehafer)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I can start
a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS receiver which
is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I guess one of the
things about flying is always wanting to upgrade something, however, and that's
where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly about the Garmin 196,
but then along comes the 296 with color and extra bells and whistles (at a considerably
higher price needless to say). I recently came across info on the Anywhere
Map system which at only a couple of hundred dollars more than the 196
seems to do a lot more. I was wondering what the group members had to say about
these different systems, good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input.
Clem Nichols
Kitfox Model IV 1200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I
> can start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS
> receiver which is
>
I use the 315 with "AVIATION DATA BASE" and it works great.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Clem,
I've just gone through this decision process also. The Anywhere map is very
tempting, but I think a Garmin 296 will be more reliable, easier to use in
flight and will easily drive an autopilot. I'm going with the 296.
Cliff
>
> This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I
can start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS
receiver which is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I
guess one of the things about flying is always wanting to upgrade something,
however, and that's where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly
about the Garmin 196, but then along comes the 296 with color and extra
bells and whistles (at a considerably higher price needless to say). I
recently came across info on the Anywhere Map system which at only a couple
of hundred dollars more than the 196 seems to do a lot more. I was
wondering what the group members had to say about these different systems,
good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input.
>
> Clem Nichols
> Kitfox Model IV 1200
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days.
Yes, Clem
It's been a little quiet lately.
We had a really good and long discussion on the GPS issue some months
ago. (Remember Jeff?) :-)
Rather than get back into the debate, I would suggest going back into
the archives.
I remember posting some rather long messages and replies as this is
"right up my alley" being a land surveyor.
I will tell you (all) that beginning mid May I will begin Alpha and then
Beta testing the new version of the Palm EFIS system that
Hangar B-17 is developing. I have this on my Garmin iQue PDA/GPS and I
really like it.
I found a couple of "bugs" in their existing software and had some
comments. As I do a lot of flying and surveying with GPS up here, they
enlisted my help and my ego wouldn't allow me to say no.
They are incorporating a terrain avoidance utility which should prevent
inadvertent CFIT. (Ouch!)
I'll keep you all abreast of the testing as it goes along.
In the mean time, check out www.hangarb17.com I think you will like what
they have to offer.
Scott in Nome
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Mantell" <wb2ssj@earthlink.net>
Clem, I have had the anywhere map now for three years, and I keep learning
new things it can do. They keep adding features and its fantastic. Its also
updated every 28 days, so you always have current info. I have one in my
cessna, AND one in the kitfox. I use a Casio pda which I don't recommend.
The Ipac, hp, or others are better for service.
I use have 315 with the aircraft database as a backup. The only thing
that s bad about all these units is that has a tendency to keep your head in
the cockpit and not looking out the window. You also start to rely on them
and you loose your navigation skills after awhile. That can get you in real
trouble. I don't like the garman for you cant see it in the bright sun in
the cockpit. The newer pda's are real bright.
Unless you do allot of cross country I would stick with the 315. Or if
you want a real neat toy, go with the anywhere system. TEX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: GPS systems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
> This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I
can start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS
receiver which is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I
guess one of the things about flying is always wanting to upgrade something,
however, and that's where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly
about the Garmin 196, but then along comes the 296 with color and extra
bells and whistles (at a considerably higher price needless to say). I
recently came across info on the Anywhere Map system which at only a couple
of hundred dollars more than the 196 seems to do a lot more. I was
wondering what the group members had to say about these different systems,
good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input.
>
> Clem Nichols
> Kitfox Model IV 1200
>
>
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| Subject: | World's Cheapest Annual |
Greg Webster <skyking2@sprintmail.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Hey guys, I just had to share this with you fellows.
Everything "airplane" so far for me has been so damn expensive that when
I hauled the "Arctic Fox" into the hangar for her annual Friday last, I
almost went out and bought myself a box of Tampons for what I knew would
be a "painful" experience. :-)
Much to my surprise, I got a real knowledgeable A&P (older fellow with
mostly Alaska experience) to agree to help me out.
One week and ONLY $250 later I had my annual completed. Granted, I did
the lion's share of the work myself, but good ol' Vic only charged me
$100 ($50 p/hr.) for his time and he fell in love with the KitFox. Boy
Howdy, you know I tipped him an extra $50 and now I've got a new friend
and A&P!
Took her up for a couple of hours Saturday (blue skies and about 24 F)
did some stalls, slow flight ect. and did my three to a full stop.
I'm current again!
Even greased that last one, three point. So I'm feeling a little virile
these days. Oh course, the weather has turned to crap and it snowed
three inches yesterday, but spring is just around the corner and I and
the "Arctic Fox" are ready for action.
Scott in Nome (passing on the "blue pill" this week)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Naknek to Shishmaref.......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Hey Scott,
I can find Naknek, but where the "up north" is shishmaref? Is that inland,
or out on Bristol Bay somewhere........would be hauling freight between the
two for a season.... aw, don't say it, but it would be fun for a while. An
old LCM (110') and probably loaded down and slower than heck.
Sid
Michigan
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Mantell" <wb2ssj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Mantell" <wb2ssj@earthlink.net>
>
> Clem, I have had the anywhere map now for three years, and I keep learning
> new things it can do. They keep adding features and its fantastic. Its
also
> updated every 28 days, so you always have current info. I have one in my
> cessna, AND one in the kitfox. I use a Casio pda which I don't recommend.
> The Ipac, hp, or others are better for service.
> I use have 315 with the aircraft database as a backup. The only thing
> that s bad about all these units is that has a tendency to keep your head
in
> the cockpit and not looking out the window. You also start to rely on
them
> and you loose your navigation skills after awhile. That can get you in
real
> trouble. I don't like the garman for you cant see it in the bright sun in
> the cockpit. The newer pda's are real bright.
> Unless you do allot of cross country I would stick with the 315. Or if
> you want a real neat toy, go with the anywhere system. TEX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> To: "kitfox list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: GPS systems
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> >
> > This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if
I
> can start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS
> receiver which is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I
> guess one of the things about flying is always wanting to upgrade
something,
> however, and that's where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly
> about the Garmin 196, but then along comes the 296 with color and extra
> bells and whistles (at a considerably higher price needless to say). I
> recently came across info on the Anywhere Map system which at only a
couple
> of hundred dollars more than the 196 seems to do a lot more. I was
> wondering what the group members had to say about these different systems,
> good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Clem Nichols
> > Kitfox Model IV 1200
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel/ground loop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
I'm glad all of you enjoyed the story so much. To refresh my memory on how
we eliminated the full-swivel option from that Maule tailwheel, I checked
out a new Maule tailwheel I have in a box of parts. Very simple; there is a
metal bracket with two small screws on it. Remove the screws and the
bracket. Then reinstall the two screws WITHOUT the bracket. You now will
have a tailwheel that turns 90 degrees either direction, but won't swivel.
This way you can be assured the tailwheel is tracking with rudder position
only. Unless a spring were to break, wherever the rudder is positioned, the
tailwheel will be going the same direction.
I would recommend anyone flying a Kitfox (or any taildragger with a Maule
tailwheel) to remove the bracket for the first 100 hours, and then when you
think you know everything, reinstall the bracket. If it is set up wrong
you'll quickly learn you don't know everything! If it's set up correctly
(takes hard stab on the rudder pedal to get it to unlock) you won't even
notice anything different, except of course you can now turn at the pumps on
your own axis.
Hope this clears up any questions about how to remove the full-swivel
feature on the Maule tailwheel.
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "torgemor" <torgemor@online.no>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tail wheel/ground loop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: torgemor <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
> Real good information.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> >===== Original Message From "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com> =====
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
> >
> >
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel/ground loop
> >
> >
> >Previous writer stated;
> >
> >> No one likes to admit to having a gound loop and I am no exception.
> >Unfortunetly it happened to me.
> >> I had installed some new tires on the Fox and took it out for a taxi
test.
> >It was really hard to handle and wanted to go >every where but staight.
Run
> >it down the stripe and when I pulled back on the throttle to slow the
tail
> >started to drop >and she darted off to the right and came up on the left
> >wing, I slammed down on the left rudder and recovered but not >before the
> >left wing was on the gound and I was off the paved strip (30'
wide)........
> >
> >
> >All:
> >
> >I have a friend that wrecked his Avid Mark IV after he and his flight
> >instructor ground looped it while practicing wheel landings. It ended up
on
> >it's back, pretty severely damaged. Incidentally, I had test flown this
> >same airplane for the first 50 hours of its life. But the first 40 were
on
> >floats (my preferred test flying method - lots of long runways every
which
> >direction should I need it). And when we put it back on the gear at a
> >little over the 40 hour mark, I expected it to be an easy transition for
me
> >as I have over 300 hours tailwheel time in Avids and Kitfoxes. But was I
> >surprised!
> >
> >Take off was straightforward (no pun intended). But when it came time to
> >land, it took me 6 attempts before I could put it on the ground without
> >ground looping it. It would veer left (primarily, but also right)
severely
> >as soon as the tailwheel touched the blacktop. Thank god for high lift
> >wings and high horsepower to weight ratios! I was fortunate to be able
to
> >fly away with wide open throttle and a lot of stick finesse. Whew! I
> >couldn't figure out if I was just that rusty, or if there was something
> >wrong with the airplane? I had never had that much trouble with any
> >taildragger previous. Even a Pitts S-2 I checked out in was easier than
> >this Avid.
> >
> >So we checked everything. Tightened the bungees and I went up again
> >(somewhat reluctantly I will admit). Same exciting experience! So we
> >decided to let some air out of the tires after checking and rechecking
tire
> >tracking. Went up again (was almost getting good at groundloop
recoveries
> >at this point, if that's possible?) Made a very minor improvement, but
> >after about 6 more "almost" ground loops, I was determined to figure out
the
> >problem. But we saw nothing wrong. As a last resort, we decided to
remove
> >the full-swivel capability from the Maule tailwheel. Just like that, it
was
> >now the easy-to-land-pussycat an Avid or Kitfox should be! So the
> >owner/builder and I were finally able to go out and fly his airplane
> >together so he could get some tailwheel stick time. Then I took his
> >instructor out and checked him out so he could train the owner/builder so
he
> >could earn his recreational license in his own airplane. The instructor
was
> >an experienced tailwheel pilot, and commented about how much better the
Avid
> >handled than the Cub he owned, and was using for tailwheel instruction.
> >They went on to fly the Avid approximately another 20 hours without a
> >problem. Then one day they decided to put the full-swivel option back
into
> >use on the tailwheel (it was more fun on the ramp the instructor told
him).
> >And it was almost immediately after doing so that they got in trouble and
> >wrecked the airplane.
> >
> >Investigation of the aircraft later showed that the builder had not
limited
> >the rudder deflection like the Avid recommended. He thought more was
> >better. Unfortunately, that over controlling rudder movement was
activating
> >the full swivel sooner than it should have been, while still in the air.
I
> >initially was not convinced it could be that simple, but when re-thinking
> >the problems I had with it, and how removing the full swivel option from
the
> >tailwheel made it much easier to handle, I agreed they were on to
something.
> >
> >Best detailed explanation I can give; When landing the airplane we all
had
> >a tendency to land on the mains with the tailwheel hitting seconds later.
> >That's always the way I found Avid's to land best due to the landing gear
> >and wing incidence relationship. Even though the airplane was straight
down
> >the runway in a picture perfect landing, if you used alot of rudder
> >deflection during the landing (especially once the main wheels were on
the
> >ground), the tailwheel would unlock and start to swivel left or right.
So
> >as soon as the tail touched, the wheel being sideways one way or another
put
> >you into an immediate sharp turn. And of course you probably were going
to
> >swerve the other direction next due to overcorrecting with opposite
rudder
> >(it all happens in a nano-second you know). After playing around on the
> >ground with the tailwheel / rudder movement relationship, we learned that
> >limiting the rudder movement would make unlocking the tailwheel much more
> >difficult. The builder went on to rebuild the airplane (and reduced the
> >rudder limits like the factory originally wanted) and never had a ground
> >looping problem again (even though he was a very low time pilot). So we
> >are all pretty convinced that was the problem.
> >
> >So maybe there is the possibility that some of these ground looping
problems
> >the rest of you are experiencing could be related? If it were me, and I
had
> >a full swivel ability in my tailwheel, I'd limit it and try it that way
> >before I would resolve myself to believing the Kitfox is just that hard
to
> >land. It should't be.
> >
> >My fingers are tired now. But I hope this might help even one of you
avoid
> >that embarassing, and possibly expensive ground loop...
> >
> >Paul Seehafer
> >Wisconsin
> >
> >
>
>
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