---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/28/04: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:15 AM - Re: GPS systems (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 2. 07:56 AM - Re: GPS systems (Clifford Begnaud) 3. 08:05 AM - Re: GPS systems (jeff.hays@aselia.com) 4. 09:50 AM - Re: GPS systems (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 5. 09:50 AM - Re: World's Cheapest Annual (Harris, Robert) 6. 10:10 AM - Re: Naknek to Shishmaref.......... (Scott McClintock) 7. 10:19 AM - Re: GPS systems (Scott McClintock) 8. 10:52 AM - Re: World's Cheapest Annual (Scott McClintock) 9. 11:48 AM - Whoa, hold on there (Scott McClintock) 10. 12:47 PM - Flooding (Kirk's Welding) 11. 01:24 PM - Re: GPS systems (Michel Verheughe) 12. 02:08 PM - Re: GPS systems (jeff.hays@aselia.com) 13. 02:09 PM - Re: Flooding (jeff.hays@aselia.com) 14. 02:43 PM - Re: GPS systems (Matt Keyes) 15. 03:35 PM - Re: GPS systems (Clifford Begnaud) 16. 03:41 PM - Re: GPS systems (Clifford Begnaud) 17. 05:21 PM - Re: Whoa, hold on there (John E. King) 18. 08:55 PM - Re: Flooding (jimshumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:22 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net I really like my Garmin 295, lots of bells and whistles, but not color. the panel page and vertical navigation options are useful. I also use the road mode occasionally to identify the best route for a road trip. John > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I can > start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS receiver > which is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I guess one of > the things about flying is always wanting to upgrade something, however, and > that's where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly about the Garmin 196, > but then along comes the 296 with color and extra bells and whistles (at a > considerably higher price needless to say). I recently came across info on the > Anywhere Map system which at only a couple of hundred dollars more than the 196 > seems to do a lot more. I was wondering what the group members had to say about > these different systems, good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input. > > Clem Nichols > Kitfox Model IV 1200 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:32 AM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" John, Good point about the road use of the 295. One reason I'm going with the 296 is because it accepts a marine database with marine charts. Cliff do not archive > > I really like my Garmin 295, lots of bells and whistles, but not color. the panel page and vertical navigation options are useful. > > I also use the road mode occasionally to identify the best route for a road trip. > > John ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:25 AM PST US From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" I fly with my finger on a sectional and the GPS turned off these days, to break all the bad habits I developed from using too many devices (multiple gps's, etc.). It makes flying a lot more fun too! Jeff Original Message: ----------------- From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net I really like my Garmin 295, lots of bells and whistles, but not color. the panel page and vertical navigation options are useful. I also use the road mode occasionally to identify the best route for a road trip. John > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I can > start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS receiver > which is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I guess one of > the things about flying is always wanting to upgrade something, however, and > that's where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly about the Garmin 196, > but then along comes the 296 with color and extra bells and whistles (at a > considerably higher price needless to say). I recently came across info on the > Anywhere Map system which at only a couple of hundred dollars more than the 196 > seems to do a lot more. I was wondering what the group members had to say about > these different systems, good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input. > > Clem Nichols > Kitfox Model IV 1200 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:29 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net my plan right now is to panel mount the 295 next to the dynon efis for my RV9. but past experience tells me that the 296 will probably replace it. John > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" > > > John, > Good point about the road use of the 295. One reason I'm going with the 296 > is because it accepts a marine database with marine charts. > Cliff > do not archive > > > > > I really like my Garmin 295, lots of bells and whistles, but not color. > the panel page and vertical navigation options are useful. > > > > I also use the road mode occasionally to identify the best route for a > road trip. > > > > John > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:29 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: World's Cheapest Annual --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Hey Scott, What did you have to replace on the ArticFox? Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott McClintock Subject: Kitfox-List: World's Cheapest Annual --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Hey guys, I just had to share this with you fellows. Everything "airplane" so far for me has been so damn expensive that when I hauled the "Arctic Fox" into the hangar for her annual Friday last, I almost went out and bought myself a box of Tampons for what I knew would be a "painful" experience. :-) Much to my surprise, I got a real knowledgeable A&P (older fellow with mostly Alaska experience) to agree to help me out. One week and ONLY $250 later I had my annual completed. Granted, I did the lion's share of the work myself, but good ol' Vic only charged me $100 ($50 p/hr.) for his time and he fell in love with the KitFox. Boy Howdy, you know I tipped him an extra $50 and now I've got a new friend and A&P! Took her up for a couple of hours Saturday (blue skies and about 24 F) did some stalls, slow flight ect. and did my three to a full stop. I'm current again! Even greased that last one, three point. So I'm feeling a little virile these days. Oh course, the weather has turned to crap and it snowed three inches yesterday, but spring is just around the corner and I and the "Arctic Fox" are ready for action. Scott in Nome (passing on the "blue pill" this week) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:00 AM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Naknek to Shishmaref.......... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Oh Sid, you "lucky" guy. Shishmaref is located on the northwest shore of the Seward Peninsula about 85 miles NE of Wales and 225 miles N of Nome. (N 66-14.97' W 166-05.37') It lies along a sandy barrier and is a "real vacation spot". There are about 85 Inuit Eskimos living in the village there. ( it is a "dry" village so no booze) The airport is gravel 5000' x 70' with runway 5/23 running parallel to the shore. Keep your eyes out for locals riding 4-wheelers on the R/W. Practice up on your slips as the prevailing winds are from the west and most landings will be with a strong X-wind. The good news is that you will (probably) be coming to Nome which is the area Hub and yes we have hotels and bars. Let me know when you are in the area. I'm good friends with the OME airport manager, Jerry Oliver. Welcome (in advance) to the frozen north. Oh yeah, it snowed again last night and it's about 21F right now. Scott in Nome Contact me off list and I can send you a picture to scare you away DO NOT ARCHIVE "hausding, sid" wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" > > Hey Scott, > I can find Naknek, but where the "up north" is shishmaref? Is that inland, > or out on Bristol Bay somewhere........would be hauling freight between the > two for a season.... aw, don't say it, but it would be fun for a while. An > old LCM (110') and probably loaded down and slower than heck. > > Sid > Michigan > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:58 AM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Atta' Boy, Jeff !! It kinda' forces you to enjoy the view that way too. If ya' wanna keep your head inside the cockpit, then file an IFR flight plan. (boring) Scott in Nome "jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" > > I fly with my finger on a sectional and the GPS turned off these days, > to break all the bad habits I developed from using too many devices > (multiple gps's, etc.). It makes flying a lot more fun too! > > Jeff > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: kerrjohna@comcast.net > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:53 +0000 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > I really like my Garmin 295, lots of bells and whistles, but not color. the > panel page and vertical navigation options are useful. > > I also use the road mode occasionally to identify the best route for a road > trip. > > John > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > > > This group has been awfully quiet for the last few days. Let me see if I > can > > start a discussion. I'm presently using a little Magellan 315 GPS > receiver > > which is totally adequate for getting from point A to point B. I guess > one of > > the things about flying is always wanting to upgrade something, however, > and > > that's where I am right now. I had been thinking strongly about the > Garmin 196, > > but then along comes the 296 with color and extra bells and whistles (at > a > > considerably higher price needless to say). I recently came across info > on the > > Anywhere Map system which at only a couple of hundred dollars more than > the 196 > > seems to do a lot more. I was wondering what the group members had to > say about > > these different systems, good, bad, or otherwise. Thanks for your input. > > > > Clem Nichols > > Kitfox Model IV 1200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:10 AM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: World's Cheapest Annual --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Robert, That's Arctic Fox :-) I "replaced" the oil filter (K&N HP #1003) and the oil (3.75 qts. Valvoline VR-1 racing 20w-50) New spark plugs are Bosch multi-electrode platinum, similar to "real" aviation plugs. New fuel filter. I also replaced the vacuum filter but the one in there was pretty clean My ELT batteries are dated '06 so I'll replace them next annual, tested good. I also added some rub guards at the rudder cables (both sides of the rudder where you could see some minor contact) I added an additional belly drain hole w/ shroud at Vic's suggestion. Other than that, it was just clean, lube, adjust and inspect everything. Painted my warp drive prop tips white on both sides after my son almost walked into the thing last summer. (the prop continues to spin after the engine is cut) I don't allow anybody to open the door now until all is still and I complete my checklist. Vic thinks the Fox is a real sweetheart and I'm going to let him take her up when the weather improves. (Snowed again last night) All in all, I couldn't be more pleased! Scott in Nome "Harris, Robert" wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > Hey Scott, > > What did you have to replace on the ArticFox? > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott > McClintock > To: Kitfox List; Greg Webster > Subject: Kitfox-List: World's Cheapest Annual > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock > > > Hey guys, I just had to share this with you fellows. > Everything "airplane" so far for me has been so damn expensive that when > I hauled the "Arctic Fox" into the hangar for her annual Friday last, I > almost went out and bought myself a box of Tampons for what I knew would > be a "painful" experience. :-) > Much to my surprise, I got a real knowledgeable A&P (older fellow with > mostly Alaska experience) to agree to help me out. > One week and ONLY $250 later I had my annual completed. Granted, I did > the lion's share of the work myself, but good ol' Vic only charged me > $100 ($50 p/hr.) for his time and he fell in love with the KitFox. Boy > Howdy, you know I tipped him an extra $50 and now I've got a new friend > and A&P! > > Took her up for a couple of hours Saturday (blue skies and about 24 F) > did some stalls, slow flight ect. and did my three to a full stop. > I'm current again! > Even greased that last one, three point. So I'm feeling a little virile > these days. Oh course, the weather has turned to crap and it snowed > three inches yesterday, but spring is just around the corner and I and > the "Arctic Fox" are ready for action. > > Scott in Nome (passing on the "blue pill" this week) > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:07 AM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Kitfox-List: Whoa, hold on there --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock OK, I see I sparked some interest. So before too many of you ask for more "scary" pictures, just go to this link. www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/airports2.htm All the "scary" airports are there and you can get a pretty good idea of the kind of terrain I'm flying over. I think you all will enjoy this. Scott in Nome ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:35 PM PST US From: "Kirk's Welding" Subject: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" Hello: I have a Kitfox Classic IV with a Rotax 912. I have noticed that when I shut the engine down, then come back a few minutes later to start it again it is flooded. I have to shut the fuel off, start the engine with full throttle, then when it starts, I turn the fuel back on. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks, Kirk Martenson N198KM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:29 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Scott McClintock wrote: > Atta' Boy, Jeff !! > It kinda' forces you to enjoy the view that way too. Yep, I agree with Scott, Jeff! ... and when the ATC then asks you to state your position you simply answer ... "right under my finger!" :-) Seriously, there is a reason why ATC still uses those paper strips. Electronics can and will fail, given enough time. What then? Cheers, Michel - a paper chart lover! do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:26 PM PST US From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" Well I used to take off, and hit "direct" in the GPS, the takeoff and follow the line. But then one day I decided to try without, and found that simple pilotage deteriorates if you don't practice. So now I look at the chart, figure out I need to fly heading 290 for a while, line up my dg and go. Meantime tracking all those little towns, and roads, etc. on the sectional. For me it all goes back to what makes flying fun. I do have a Garmin GNC-250XL in the Panel, and a handheld Garmin along for backup in case my sectional ever fails! Original Message: ----------------- From: Michel Verheughe michel@online.no Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Scott McClintock wrote: > Atta' Boy, Jeff !! > It kinda' forces you to enjoy the view that way too. Yep, I agree with Scott, Jeff! ... and when the ATC then asks you to state your position you simply answer ... "right under my finger!" :-) Seriously, there is a reason why ATC still uses those paper strips. Electronics can and will fail, given enough time. What then? Cheers, Michel - a paper chart lover! do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:22 PM PST US From: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" I don't know Rotax's, but if they're carburated, sounds like classic symptoms of a leaking float needle. Original Message: ----------------- From: Kirk's Welding kirk@mninter.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" Hello: I have a Kitfox Classic IV with a Rotax 912. I have noticed that when I shut the engine down, then come back a few minutes later to start it again it is flooded. I have to shut the fuel off, start the engine with full throttle, then when it starts, I turn the fuel back on. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks, Kirk Martenson N198KM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:57 PM PST US From: Matt Keyes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Keyes On my first cross country, the GPS failed, (actually the batteries did), but because I was flying by pilotage anyway, it was of little concern. I did, however also lose the altimeter reading with the GPS, but that, too was of little concern in an ultralight. I fully agree with Michel!!! GPS is fun, but pilotage is even more fun. Matt --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:13 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" It won't be too long before those paper strips used by ATC will go away. My brother is the local coordinator for testing of the new all electronic system. He is a controller at Denver center. Cliff > > Seriously, there is a reason why ATC still uses those paper strips. Electronics > can and will fail, given enough time. What then? > > Cheers, > > Michel - a paper chart lover! > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:49 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS systems --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" My handheld gps failed 15 minutes after departure for Oshkosh 3 years ago. I had a non pilot passenger on board (Piper Archer) and taught her to navigate while we flew along. Didn't take her 30 minutes to grasp ded reckoning, pilotage and VOR navigating. I didn't have to raise a finger to navigate the rest of the trip to or from Oshkosh. That was actually quite enjoyable watching someone learn to do this. Of course I already had the course line drawn on the chart so that made it easy. This really made the trip enjoyable for the passenger also as it made her feel that she had an important role in the flight. Cliff > > On my first cross country, the GPS failed, (actually the batteries did), but because I was flying by pilotage anyway, it was of little concern. I did, however also lose the altimeter reading with the GPS, but that, too was of little concern in an ultralight. I fully agree with Michel!!! GPS is fun, but pilotage is even more fun. > > Matt > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:18 PM PST US From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Whoa, hold on there --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Scott, Thanks for the memories. I checked out Circle Hot Springs, Bettles, Chena Hot Springs, Fairbanks and Anaktuvuk Pass Airports on the web site just for memories sake. We visited these airports on the Alaska trip. Recognized every detail. Great web site. -- John King Warrenton, VA Scott McClintock wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock > >OK, I see I sparked some interest. So before too many of you ask for >more "scary" pictures, just go to this link. >www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/airports2.htm >All the "scary" airports are there and you can get a pretty good idea of >the kind of terrain I'm flying over. >I think you all will enjoy this. >Scott in Nome > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:55 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flooding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" My guess too. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flooding > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" > > > I don't know Rotax's, but if they're carburated, sounds like classic > symptoms of a leaking float needle. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Kirk's Welding kirk@mninter.net > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:47:08 -0500 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Flooding > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk's Welding" > > Hello: > > I have a Kitfox Classic IV with a Rotax 912. I have noticed that when I > shut the engine down, then come back a few minutes later to start it again > it is flooded. I have to shut the fuel off, start the engine with full > throttle, then when it starts, I turn the fuel back on. Has anyone else > had this problem? If so, what did you do about it? > > > Thanks, > > Kirk Martenson > N198KM > >