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1. 02:54 AM - egt's (LeRoy staley)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: egt's (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: egt's (Ramperf@aol.com)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: egt's (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: egt's (LeRoy staley)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Wing Rigging (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
7. 08:49 AM - Re: Wing Rigging (JMCBEAN)
8. 09:03 AM - Re: Tires (jareds)
9. 09:05 AM - Sump Leak (jareds)
10. 09:13 AM - Fabric Stains (jareds)
11. 09:16 AM - Re: egt's (Rick)
12. 09:52 AM - Re: egt's (Fox5flyer)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Tires (Fox5flyer)
14. 10:00 AM - Re: Sump Leak (Fox5flyer)
15. 10:16 AM - Re: Fabric Stains (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
16. 10:19 AM - Re: Fabric Stains (kurt schrader)
17. 10:25 AM - Please help! Bungee Cord? (Harris, Robert)
18. 10:33 AM - Re: egt's (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
19. 10:48 AM - Re: Tires (Harris, Robert)
20. 01:14 PM - Re: egt's (Rick)
21. 01:46 PM - Re: LP windshield fit -5/covers (Fred Shiple)
22. 01:48 PM - Re: egt's (Rick)
23. 02:07 PM - Re: Sump Leak (Steve Zakreski)
24. 02:24 PM - S7 Flaperons (Scott McClintock)
25. 02:26 PM - Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? (Dee Young)
26. 02:37 PM - Re: Sump Leak (Lowell Fitt)
27. 02:37 PM - Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? (Steve Zakreski)
28. 06:38 PM - Re: Sump Leak (John E. King)
29. 07:39 PM - Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? (dwight purdy)
30. 07:40 PM - Re: Sump Leak (Steve Zakreski)
31. 08:11 PM - Re: egt's (Ramperf@aol.com)
32. 08:43 PM - Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? (Jay Fabian)
33. 09:03 PM - Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? (Steve Cooper)
34. 09:17 PM - Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? (charles b cook)
35. 10:17 PM - Re: Sump Leak (Rick)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
At cruise I lean for 1450 to 1475. Your method of leaning sounds ok, but
your egt gauges wouldn't be reading the same as mine unless the probes are
in the same spot. You didn't say what setup you have -- Stratus, NSI,
other?
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "LeRoy staley" <itis50@yahoo.com>
> would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
> egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
> I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
> till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
If this is at cruise your egt's are good that is exactly the top of the bell
curve (which is 1240), if your probes are 7" from the valve. You should only
reach higher egts as the rpms and load increase.
Ron
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ron, I'm curious about which engine and combination you're referring to. I
wasn't aware that one size fits all with EGTs. 1240 seems very low. Please
straighten me up here. Maybe I shouldn't be following my engine manual?
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
>
> If this is at cruise your egt's are good that is exactly the top of the
bell
> curve (which is 1240), if your probes are 7" from the valve. You should
only
> reach higher egts as the rpms and load increase.
> Ron
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
My mistake yes one size does not fit all. My set up is
with nsi. And yes it would make a difference where the
probe is placed. Many thanks for the quick answers to
my question. Great group. Sure would like to see some
of you fellow kitfox flyers come to missouri. There
are 3 of us Kitfoxer's here now.
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Ron, I'm curious about which engine and combination
> you're referring to. I
> wasn't aware that one size fits all with EGTs. 1240
> seems very low. Please
> straighten me up here. Maybe I shouldn't be
> following my engine manual?
> Darrel
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
> >
> > If this is at cruise your egt's are good that is
> exactly the top of the
> bell
> > curve (which is 1240), if your probes are 7" from
> the valve. You should
> only
> > reach higher egts as the rpms and load increase.
> > Ron
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Jimmie, with the re-rigging, be sure that the dihedral is equal where ever you
finish up. A thread recently commented on the possibility of slight variance
in the angle of the pivot point tube in the rear spar.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> I checked my IV and you need to make sure you have the 5" otherwise you'll
> run into problems with flaperon interference when you fold the wing. Not
> sure if you have the hold-back struts with the attach through the vert stab
> but that will also be a problem.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rigging
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am in the process of rigging the wings on my Model IV Speedster. Having
> adjusted the wing strut brackets for dihedral and twist, my left wing only
> has only 4" of clearance between the wing trailing edge and the horizontal
> stabilizer when folded. Right wing has 6" of clearance. According to
> Skystar manual and Service Bulletin 25B at least 5" of clearance is needed
> between the trailing edge of the wing and the horizontal stabilizer to fold
> the wings. Also, according to Skystar manual the solution is to increase
> the dihedral to obtain the necessary clearance for folding the wings.
>
> My concern is that if I correct this problem by increasing the dihedral I
> may have to go beyond the .31" to .35" dihedral specified in Skystar Service
> bulletin 25B. Am hoping that some of you ran into this problem and found a
> solution that will allow the wings to fold and have an acceptable dihedral
> setting.
>
> The only holes drilled so far are the top of the rear spar connecting to the
> fuselage.
>
> Would really appreciate the benefit of your experiences.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Jimmie,
There were various specs... Currently Classic IV, Series 5, 6 and 7 all
use a 1 degree dihedral. I think the Sport actually has a 1.5 degree. The
Speedster was set with 0 dihedral. I would recommend the 1 degree.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Rigging
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Rigging
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am in the process of rigging the wings on my Model IV Speedster. Having
adjusted the wing strut brackets for dihedral and twist, my left wing only
has only 4" of clearance between the wing trailing edge and the horizontal
stabilizer when folded. Right wing has 6" of clearance. According to
Skystar manual and Service Bulletin 25B at least 5" of clearance is needed
between the trailing edge of the wing and the horizontal stabilizer to fold
the wings. Also, according to Skystar manual the solution is to increase
the dihedral to obtain the necessary clearance for folding the wings.
>
> My concern is that if I correct this problem by increasing the dihedral I
may have to go beyond the .31" to .35" dihedral specified in Skystar Service
bulletin 25B. Am hoping that some of you ran into this problem and found a
solution that will allow the wings to fold and have an acceptable dihedral
setting.
>
> The only holes drilled so far are the top of the rear spar connecting to
the fuselage.
>
> Would really appreciate the benefit of your experiences.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I have the same slicks on mine and ended up putting tubes in to make
them last through this season, but if someone knows of a good place to
locate a hair bit smaller profile tire that fits those rims please let
me know.
I'd like to find some with a bit of tread that are sturdier than the slicks!
Jared
Glenn Horne wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
>Glenn Horne here.
>Looking fore some tires for my Fox model II.
>Has tube gear.
>Need two 20x7.00-8. Have the two slick ones
>that came with the kit but really don't like them.
>Anyone know who sells this size with tread?
>Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
professional fixes if there are any?
Jared
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Can someone recomend a good cleaner?
I happen to have mostly white paint with the poly system and with all
the pollen and DC smut in the air my paint is looking pretty bad. With
it being outside a good portion of the time the rain tends to streak the
muck on the fuselage sides and wings.
I've tried windex and dozens of other household cleaners but haven't had
much luck. Didnt' want to go industrial unless someone could recomend
something they know doesnt damage the polys system and fabric?
Thanks
Jared
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
That setting will be way to high. If I recall that would most likely yield
about 1625 and is too high. Stay with 1450 or less at all power settings. As
stated before the probe placement is important. About one inch down from the
flange is good, but if you are getting 1250 most likely that is from the
stock NSI probe placement at the turbo outlet. That would be TOT turbo
outlet temp, if you have a turbo. If not disregard. If you have 1250 at one
inch then that is pretty darn rich. Stay below 1450 or your asking for a new
engine, trust me. All that said I am basing my experience on the turbo NSI,
still think 1250 is too rich and anything above 1450 is too high.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LeRoy staley
Subject: Kitfox-List: egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Rick, did you buy your soob directly from NSI or was it purchased from a
previous owner? What egt temp is it that you state is "way too high" that
yields 1625? I'm a little bit lost here.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> That setting will be way to high. If I recall that would most likely yield
> about 1625 and is too high. Stay with 1450 or less at all power settings.
As
> stated before the probe placement is important. About one inch down from
the
> flange is good, but if you are getting 1250 most likely that is from the
> stock NSI probe placement at the turbo outlet. That would be TOT turbo
> outlet temp, if you have a turbo. If not disregard. If you have 1250 at
one
> inch then that is pretty darn rich. Stay below 1450 or your asking for a
new
> engine, trust me. All that said I am basing my experience on the turbo
NSI,
> still think 1250 is too rich and anything above 1450 is too high.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LeRoy staley
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: egt's
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
>
> would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
> egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
> I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
> till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Jared, just out of curiosity, have you had problems with the slicks or was
putting tubes in them merely a precaution? To my knowledge most people
seem to have pretty good luck with them. I had nearly 400 hours on my model
II with the slicks and when I sold it they were still fine. I know they may
not appear to be, but they're pretty tough. Then again, most of my
operations were from grass strips.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> I have the same slicks on mine and ended up putting tubes in to make
> them last through this season, but if someone knows of a good place to
> locate a hair bit smaller profile tire that fits those rims please let
> me know.
> I'd like to find some with a bit of tread that are sturdier than the
slicks!
>
> Jared
>
> Glenn Horne wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
> >
> >Glenn Horne here.
> >Looking fore some tires for my Fox model II.
> >Has tube gear.
> >Need two 20x7.00-8. Have the two slick ones
> >that came with the kit but really don't like them.
> >Anyone know who sells this size with tread?
> >Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Loctite makes some anoerobic (sorry if the spelling is screwed up) gasket
seal that works pretty good for things like that. The tank sump drains
don't do much of anything anyway (no sump) and mine were the same problem
with slight seepage. I removed the sump drains and plugged them with brass
plugs and the Loctite with no further problems. There are several other
good sealers made specifically for pipe threads that will probably do the
job.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
> compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
> with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
> professional fixes if there are any?
>
> Jared
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I'd give oxy-clean a try. But avoid any bare metal as oxidizers aren't
real good for that.
Test on a spot first to make sure it's ok. My wife uses the stuff all
over at home, and swears it will remove ANY stain from ANYTHING ...
Original Message:
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From: jareds jareds@verizon.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fabric Stains
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Can someone recomend a good cleaner?
I happen to have mostly white paint with the poly system and with all
the pollen and DC smut in the air my paint is looking pretty bad. With
it being outside a good portion of the time the rain tends to streak the
muck on the fuselage sides and wings.
I've tried windex and dozens of other household cleaners but haven't had
much luck. Didnt' want to go industrial unless someone could recomend
something they know doesnt damage the polys system and fabric?
Thanks
Jared
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Everyone here is using Simple Green.
Kurt S.
--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> Can someone recomend a good cleaner?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Please Help?
Does anybody have any tips on how to get my new bungee cords to wrap six
times on my Model II? I used some vice grips with duct tape like Charlie
suggested earlier but can only get it to wrap five times. I'm trying to do
this by myself. Somebody mentioned ties. How do you use ties?
Robert
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
I would highly advise caution here. EGT's should NEVER be assumed
to be anywhere near accurate. Each gauge is unique. They all use K-Type
Thermocouples. Location in the exhaust pipe, length of the thermocouple,
temperature of the gauge itself, and the electrical thermocouple
compensation built into the gauge are all factors that affect the
accuracy.
If you get within 10-20 percent of the TRUE EGT with an uncalibrated
EGT installation I would say you are REALLY lucky. 10-20 percent of
1400 degrees = 140-280 degrees F variation ... A simple test to
get a rough idea of accuracy, would be to say get a Fluke or
B&K Temperature Meter with K-Type probes, put the probes together
inside a pipe, and heat the inside of the pipe with a propane torch
to see how close the gauge, and meter are to each other. Propane burns
around ~1500-1900 degrees, so you could probably adjust the heat to
simulate typical EGT readings.
As was stated earlier, the exact location in the exhaust system relative
to the exhaust valve will affect this a lot also.
Original Message:
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From: Rick turboflyer@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
That setting will be way to high. If I recall that would most likely yield
about 1625 and is too high. Stay with 1450 or less at all power settings. As
stated before the probe placement is important. About one inch down from the
flange is good, but if you are getting 1250 most likely that is from the
stock NSI probe placement at the turbo outlet. That would be TOT turbo
outlet temp, if you have a turbo. If not disregard. If you have 1250 at one
inch then that is pretty darn rich. Stay below 1450 or your asking for a new
engine, trust me. All that said I am basing my experience on the turbo NSI,
still think 1250 is too rich and anything above 1450 is too high.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LeRoy staley
Subject: Kitfox-List: egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Jared,
On my Kitfox II I plan on replacing my treaded quad tires with slicks since
my plane is located at a paved runway. Quad tires do not perform very well
on pavement. When I would drive my quad and three wheeler on the street they
were very hard to steer and would swerve all over the street which could
cause a ground loop on the Kitfox.
So don't buy the typical quad tires if you land and take off from paved
runways, but if you will only be on dirt and grass they seem to work great.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tires
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Jared, just out of curiosity, have you had problems with the slicks or was
putting tubes in them merely a precaution? To my knowledge most people
seem to have pretty good luck with them. I had nearly 400 hours on my model
II with the slicks and when I sold it they were still fine. I know they may
not appear to be, but they're pretty tough. Then again, most of my
operations were from grass strips.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> I have the same slicks on mine and ended up putting tubes in to make
> them last through this season, but if someone knows of a good place to
> locate a hair bit smaller profile tire that fits those rims please let
> me know.
> I'd like to find some with a bit of tread that are sturdier than the
slicks!
>
> Jared
>
> Glenn Horne wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
> >
> >Glenn Horne here.
> >Looking fore some tires for my Fox model II.
> >Has tube gear.
> >Need two 20x7.00-8. Have the two slick ones
> >that came with the kit but really don't like them.
> >Anyone know who sells this size with tread?
> >Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
It is a factory NSI EA-81 Turbo with the Ellison 3A fuel delivery. Anything
over 1450 is IMHO way too high. Even though that little Subaru will run
extremely lean , about 1625 too 1650 before she begins to miss, the valve
stems over time will get brittle and are prone to snap off and go where no
valve should go. My new engine....lesson learned, has SS valves and they are
ceramic coated. The stems are poly coated. The heads are a weak point in
the Subaru, valves and guides. I would get them rebuilt by RAM performance
and get a fresh start on EGT monitoring. My heads were fine as well as the
pistons.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Rick, did you buy your soob directly from NSI or was it purchased from a
previous owner? What egt temp is it that you state is "way too high" that
yields 1625? I'm a little bit lost here.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> That setting will be way to high. If I recall that would most likely yield
> about 1625 and is too high. Stay with 1450 or less at all power settings.
As
> stated before the probe placement is important. About one inch down from
the
> flange is good, but if you are getting 1250 most likely that is from the
> stock NSI probe placement at the turbo outlet. That would be TOT turbo
> outlet temp, if you have a turbo. If not disregard. If you have 1250 at
one
> inch then that is pretty darn rich. Stay below 1450 or your asking for a
new
> engine, trust me. All that said I am basing my experience on the turbo
NSI,
> still think 1250 is too rich and anything above 1450 is too high.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LeRoy staley
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: egt's
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
>
> would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
> egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
> I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
> till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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| Subject: | LP windshield fit -5/covers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
If you're talking about the root covers, I'd like to see those pics, if you could
send them to me also. I don't like the finished appearance of the ones I've
done and plan to replace them. thanks
Fred
do not archieve
Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
Howard, just a note. When I installed my one piece LP windshield it was very
hot out, good thing. However. The bend next to root was a bear. I ended up
cutting quite a bit away. I am also almost done with some fiberglass covers
to take the place of the flat aluminum one. What a job. If you like I will
look for some pic of my install.
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Correction, combustion chambers fine, not heads, reference heat damage.
Sorry, and thats just hunting and pecking, just think what I could mess up
if i could type.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
It is a factory NSI EA-81 Turbo with the Ellison 3A fuel delivery. Anything
over 1450 is IMHO way too high. Even though that little Subaru will run
extremely lean , about 1625 too 1650 before she begins to miss, the valve
stems over time will get brittle and are prone to snap off and go where no
valve should go. My new engine....lesson learned, has SS valves and they are
ceramic coated. The stems are poly coated. The heads are a weak point in
the Subaru, valves and guides. I would get them rebuilt by RAM performance
and get a fresh start on EGT monitoring. My heads were fine as well as the
pistons.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: egt's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Rick, did you buy your soob directly from NSI or was it purchased from a
previous owner? What egt temp is it that you state is "way too high" that
yields 1625? I'm a little bit lost here.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> That setting will be way to high. If I recall that would most likely yield
> about 1625 and is too high. Stay with 1450 or less at all power settings.
As
> stated before the probe placement is important. About one inch down from
the
> flange is good, but if you are getting 1250 most likely that is from the
> stock NSI probe placement at the turbo outlet. That would be TOT turbo
> outlet temp, if you have a turbo. If not disregard. If you have 1250 at
one
> inch then that is pretty darn rich. Stay below 1450 or your asking for a
new
> engine, trust me. All that said I am basing my experience on the turbo
NSI,
> still think 1250 is too rich and anything above 1450 is too high.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LeRoy staley
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: egt's
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
>
> would someone with a subaru e81 share with me the
> egt's on their motors. I am getting around 1200-1250.
> I lean it until I detect a slight miss then return it
> till it smooths out. Is this temp high enough?
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Jared
Some comments before you get started.
If you still have the drain fitting, make sure it is not simply particles in
the o-ring of the fitting. Mine occasionally starts leaking from debris.
Also...more likely, make sure you don't have a leak at the sight glass
fitting (common) which dribbles back and shows up at the drain fitting. I
was so convinced I had a fuel tank leak, I cut the fabric apart between the
two ribs, only to find a tell-tale stain on the inside of the fabric from
the sight glass to the drain fitting.
If all that doesn't pay off, then try the brown very sticky thread sealer
that comes in a can, the name I can't remember but someone will chime in
shortly, which is the drop-dead best pipe sealer ever invented. It has
never failed to work for me, and I have tried a bunch of them.
Now if you are absolutely certain the threads are messed up...then someone
else can help you because I have never had that problem before.
SteveZ
Calgary
IV/NSI/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
professional fixes if there are any?
Jared
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Scott,
I think you'll be glad you got Grove gear....
Kurt,
Yes, I think I'll just keep my existing flaperons and just add the VG's.
Definitely going to beef up the tailwheel mounting too.
I'll check out the pics of the mods on Sportflight.
No point in re-inventing the wheel.
Scott in Nome (35F today and rain, would be snow if the temps drop more,
yuck)
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| Subject: | Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:21:54 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I have installed two sets of bungees on my model II and its pretty easy with the
vise grips. The one thing you need to do is make sure you get enough stretch
the first three wraps. I usually end up with some slack on the last wrap and
can easily hook it by hand. Don't give up, you will get it.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
----- Original Message -----
From: Harris, Robert<mailto:Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com'<mailto:'kitfox-list@matronics.com'>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Please help! Bungee Cord?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com<mailto:Robert_Harris@intuit.com>>
Please Help?
Does anybody have any tips on how to get my new bungee cords to wrap six
times on my Model II? I used some vice grips with duct tape like Charlie
suggested earlier but can only get it to wrap five times. I'm trying to do
this by myself. Somebody mentioned ties. How do you use ties?
Robert
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve, what you are thinking of is Fuel Lube - I think. Sticky, brown and
in a pint can that should last a lifetime or two for our purposes.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Jared
>
> Some comments before you get started.
>
> If you still have the drain fitting, make sure it is not simply particles
in
> the o-ring of the fitting. Mine occasionally starts leaking from debris.
> Also...more likely, make sure you don't have a leak at the sight glass
> fitting (common) which dribbles back and shows up at the drain fitting. I
> was so convinced I had a fuel tank leak, I cut the fabric apart between
the
> two ribs, only to find a tell-tale stain on the inside of the fabric from
> the sight glass to the drain fitting.
>
> If all that doesn't pay off, then try the brown very sticky thread sealer
> that comes in a can, the name I can't remember but someone will chime in
> shortly, which is the drop-dead best pipe sealer ever invented. It has
> never failed to work for me, and I have tried a bunch of them.
>
> Now if you are absolutely certain the threads are messed up...then someone
> else can help you because I have never had that problem before.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
> IV/NSI/CAP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
> compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
> with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
> professional fixes if there are any?
>
> Jared
>
>
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| Subject: | Please help! Bungee Cord? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I hated that job soo much I bought Grove gear. I'm sure that helps. ;-)
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Please help! Bungee Cord?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Please Help?
Does anybody have any tips on how to get my new bungee cords to wrap six
times on my Model II? I used some vice grips with duct tape like Charlie
suggested earlier but can only get it to wrap five times. I'm trying to do
this by myself. Somebody mentioned ties. How do you use ties?
Robert
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Jared,
I would not recommend anything like JB Weld, since it may be too
difficult to remove later if the need arrives. Try something like Tite
Seal or Fuel Lube.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
jareds wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
>compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
>with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
>professional fixes if there are any?
>
>Jared
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I assume you have someone laying on the ground to help.
Dwight
At 02:21 PM 5/6/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
>I have installed two sets of bungees on my model II and its pretty easy
>with the vise grips. The one thing you need to do is make sure you get
>enough stretch the first three wraps. I usually end up with some slack on
>the last wrap and can easily hook it by hand. Don't give up, you will get it.
>
>Dee Young
>Model II
>N345DY
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harris, Robert<mailto:Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
> To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com'<mailto:'kitfox-list@matronics.com'>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:22 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Please help! Bungee Cord?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com<mailto:Robert_Harris@intuit.com>>
>
> Please Help?
>
> Does anybody have any tips on how to get my new bungee cords to wrap six
> times on my Model II? I used some vice grips with duct tape like Charlie
> suggested earlier but can only get it to wrap five times. I'm trying to do
> this by myself. Somebody mentioned ties. How do you use ties?
> Robert
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Hmm...I'm pretty sure that's it. Gosh...three years since completion and
these things are already starting to fade from memory.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve, what you are thinking of is Fuel Lube - I think. Sticky, brown and
in a pint can that should last a lifetime or two for our purposes.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Jared
>
> Some comments before you get started.
>
> If you still have the drain fitting, make sure it is not simply particles
in
> the o-ring of the fitting. Mine occasionally starts leaking from debris.
> Also...more likely, make sure you don't have a leak at the sight glass
> fitting (common) which dribbles back and shows up at the drain fitting. I
> was so convinced I had a fuel tank leak, I cut the fabric apart between
the
> two ribs, only to find a tell-tale stain on the inside of the fabric from
> the sight glass to the drain fitting.
>
> If all that doesn't pay off, then try the brown very sticky thread sealer
> that comes in a can, the name I can't remember but someone will chime in
> shortly, which is the drop-dead best pipe sealer ever invented. It has
> never failed to work for me, and I have tried a bunch of them.
>
> Now if you are absolutely certain the threads are messed up...then someone
> else can help you because I have never had that problem before.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
> IV/NSI/CAP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
> compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
> with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
> professional fixes if there are any?
>
> Jared
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
Darrel
I was simply refering to the soobie in which was stated, the ea81. This
is the engine I build and test constantly on our certified dyno. Our probes are
7" from the valve. This gives the most constant and acccurate reading and is
where we place them on our exhausts for our engines. Don't forget Rick is
talking a turbo engine not naturally asperated even though I still think his egts
are high but then again he is placing his probes 1" from the flange.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
I have used the one handed squeeze clamps. they have rubber on the ends and
a few squeezes and you are locked on . Then pull down like mad and unlock
and re lock the grips onto that loop and continue. Very easy this way, and
one person too.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Please help! Bungee Cord?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Please Help?
>
> Does anybody have any tips on how to get my new bungee cords to wrap six
> times on my Model II? I used some vice grips with duct tape like Charlie
> suggested earlier but can only get it to wrap five times. I'm trying to do
> this by myself. Somebody mentioned ties. How do you use ties?
> Robert
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I made a "T" handled tool about 9" long with a hook on the end. It works
great.
Steve Cooper
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| Subject: | Re: Please help! Bungee Cord? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: charles b cook <cookflys@juno.com>
Robert
Do two wraps pulling with vice grips (covered for protection) while
having a ty wrap ready to tie the two loops together. Pull for all your
worth and have wife /girlfriend/ kid or local inmate to tighten the
tywrap.(I used a 8 yearold but I believe I could have done myself.) Relax
then do another wrap. Tywrap everytime you go around to the last round.
After you have all 6 rounds cut the tywraps. I could have made two more
wraps when I got to six. If you need help (my technical writting skills)
are very lacking contact me off list.
Charles Cook
cookflys@juno.com
On Thu, 6 May 2004 10:22:39 -0700 "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com> writes:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Please Help?
>
> Does anybody have any tips on how to get my new bungee cords to wrap
> six
> times on my Model II? I used some vice grips with duct tape like
> Charlie
> suggested earlier but can only get it to wrap five times. I'm trying
> to do
> this by myself. Somebody mentioned ties. How do you use ties?
> Robert
>
>
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Are you sure. Could be ending up there from several connections. I did away
with them. Low point is the header tank since we have one. Just my approach.
I found my leak on the finger strainer o-ring, and it weep to that area and
else where. It was a bad spot in relation to the doors as well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John E. King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sump Leak
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Jared,
I would not recommend anything like JB Weld, since it may be too
difficult to remove later if the need arrives. Try something like Tite
Seal or Fuel Lube.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
jareds wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>Threads around the Sump in Right tank is seeping fuel. Put the white
>compound around with no luck and then opted for a bit more permanent fix
>with some JB weld. But would like to hear some listers more
>professional fixes if there are any?
>
>Jared
>
>
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